Matt Araiza

[Peter]

I wonder if there was an option for the Bills to put him on some exempt list to retain his rights while he went through the legal process. If there was not, there should be.

 

Separate and apart from any football considerations, as I told many people I know back then, wait until all the facts come out. I remember how so many people I know in person, here, and on social media were so convinced that they knew exactly what happened and were willing to hang or exonerate him. Some people were so "certain" of his guilt or innocence there was really no point in talking with those people.

[BillsFanForever19]

Just now, Peter said:

I wonder if there was an option for the Bills to put him on some exempt list to retain his rights while he went through the legal process. If there was not, there should be.

 

Separate and apart from any football considerations, as I told many people I know back then, wait until all the facts come out. I remember how so many people I know in person, here, and on social media were so convinced that they knew exactly what happened and were willing to hang or exonerate him. Some people were so "certain" of his guilt or innocence there was really no point in talking with those people.

 

There wasn't. According to the rules of the Exempt list, if the incident occurred before you became a member of the NFL and before you've played a game in the league, you cannot be put on the Exempt list.

 

Our options were to keep him or cut him. I thought that was a terrible technicality and another shame in a list of damn shames in this situation. 

[Peter]

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

There wasn't. According to the rules of the Exempt list, if the incident occurred before you became a member of the NFL and before you've played a game in the league, you cannot be put on the Exempt list.

 

Our options were to keep him or cut him. I thought that was a terrible technicality and another shame in a list of damn shames in this situation. 

 

Thanks. They should change that then. Awful all the way around.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

49 minutes ago, Araiza Curse said:

Then sit back and enjoy the Araiza curse. We have our chance to correct it right now. 

[BillsFanForever19]

32 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

I told you guys the chick was lying and a little MeToo'ing ho, but some mod thought it was appropriate to remove my comments.

 

We could have had three dynamic players on the team, two of which would have kicked the ball, but the Bills couldn't take a strong stance against in support of Araiza in the face of pressure.

 

Shame on you guys for being so quick to side with chicks who flip dudes' lives around after playing the thot.

 

Judging from this one, your posts were probably deleted because you can't make a point without using offensive, derogatory verbage.

Edited May 10, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[1ManRaid]

5 hours ago, birdo67 said:

Go to hell.

 

Still thinking she was the victim?  Sorry not sorry, but going to random guys saying "I want you to **** me, and if you don't **** me you're a *****" and boasting about an impending spike in her "body count" just rings of someone who is sexually aggressive.  Plus the videos of the naughty times supposedly appeared to be wholly consensual, so yeah, Occam's Razor = being a willing participant in whatever roughness she encountered.

[Doc]

30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

yes we know now

 

Nothing we really didn't know all along.  Except for there being videos.

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Nothing we really didn't know all along.  Except for there being videos.

well you certainly didn’t know.  You assumed.  The recent report bears out your position 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

They do? What’s current method of lifting them nowadays? Blood sacrifice to Santa Claus?

 

I told you.  Rooster.  I have a friend who'd probably contribute one.

[ScorpionZero]

7 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Still thinking she was the victim?  Sorry not sorry, but going to random guys saying "I want you to **** me, and if you don't **** me you're a *****" and boasting about an impending spike in her "body count" just rings of someone who is sexually aggressive.  Plus the videos of the naughty times supposedly appeared to be wholly consensual, so yeah, Occam's Razor = being a willing participant in whatever roughness she encountered.

I love Occam's Razor, "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" you always get a close shave.

Edited May 10, 2023 by ScorpionZero

[PrimeTime101]

5 hours ago, Araiza Curse said:

When should we expect Beane to say anything? Never? 

He can say this to you

 

 

[ScorpionZero]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

He can say this to you

 

 

Terrible song writers, no substance at all.

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

well you certainly didn’t know.  You assumed.  The recent report bears out your position 

 

More like common sense.  No one really believed she told people at the party she was 17, especially after the video came to light, so that meant statutory rape was off the table.  And that made her claim that Araiza later participated in a gang rape, which was similarly unbelievable, worthless until proven otherwise.  I suspected there was evidence he left via geolocation of his phone, which we found out about recently, but I never expected there to be video of it as well exonerating the other guys.

Edited May 10, 2023 by Doc

[1ManRaid]

4 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said:

I love Occam's Razor, "Entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" you always get a close shave.

 

And jumping from "she experienced some form of physical roughness" to "she was raped" definitely qualifies as unnecessary multiplication, considering all the available evidence.  When the evidence shows her preemptively insulting men who wouldn't have sex with her, boasting about racking up a body count, and engaging in only consensual sex, the answer that requires the fewest assumptions for the roughness received is "was into rough sex".

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said:

Terrible song writers, no substance at all.

 

But…..it sure is popular at the end of high school basketball games! After all these decades! 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

More like common sense.  No one really believed she told people at the party she was 17, especially after the video came to light, so that meant statutory rape was off the table.  And that made her claim that Araiza later participated in a gang rape, which was similarly unbelievable, worthless until proven otherwise.  I suspected there was evidence he left via geolocation of his phone, which we found out about recently, but I never expected there to be video of it as well exonerating the other guys.

 

The DA did not say that there was evidence via geolocation of Araiza's phone that he had left.  She said that there was witness testimony that Araiza had left.

[boyst]

I say send the Cards a 2024 3rd for him and Hopkins.

 

Flash forward to coming out of the tunnel... We have Araiza ride out on a REAL LIVE BUFFALO!!!!!!!!!!!!111111.

 

His new teammates Hopkins, Ertz, and OBJ give him hugs and we go on to dominate the Fins 10-3

Edited May 10, 2023 by boyst

[ScorpionZero]

3 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

And jumping from "she experienced some form of physical roughness" to "she was raped" definitely qualifies as unnecessary multiplication, considering all the available evidence.  When the evidence shows her preemptively insulting men who wouldn't have sex with her, boasting about racking up a body count, and engaging in only consensual sex, the answer that requires the fewest assumptions for the roughness received is "was into rough sex".

And now she's gonna use civil inequality as opposed to criminal, and her dumbass lawyer, to try and get her pay day. I bet she's still weeping into her hands, saying that's not how it happened, it's just not how it happened. Check please.

[BillsFanForever19]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

More like common sense.  No one really believed she told people at the party she was 17, especially after the video came to light, so that meant statutory rape was off the table.  And that made her claim that Araiza later participated in a gang rape, which was similarly unbelievable, worthless until proven otherwise.  I suspected there was evidence he left via geolocation of his phone, which we found out about recently, but I never expected there to be video of it as well.

 

A couple things:

 

1.) The prosecutors claim they have witness' they say he left the party before the incident. Her attorney claims that the witnesses are lying to cover for a friend. Pinging his cell phone would clear all of this up, but that hasn't been revealed as of yet. Hopefully it is so there is no question and he is completely exonerated.

 

2.) Yes, there is video of her acting promiscuous and consenting in other acts. But do we know if there's video of the alleged rape? 

 

A woman can sleep with multiple guys in the same night and say and do promiscuous things all night long. But that doesn't make her fair game for anything with everyone who wants it for the entire night. She could have consented to things and not consented to others in the same night.

 

I'm bothered by the whole "she was acting like a sl-t, she obviously asked for it" mentality that's been floating around this thread. 

Edited May 10, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[1ManRaid]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

More like common sense.  No one really believed she told people at the party she was 17, especially after the video came to light, so that meant statutory rape was off the table.  And that made her claim that Araiza later participated in a gang rape, which was similarly unbelievable, worthless until proven otherwise.  I suspected there was evidence he left via geolocation of his phone, which we found out about recently, but I never expected there to be video of it as well.

 

The people hammering the point about statutory rape are going on like she was a 14 year old at a party with 30 year olds.  An objectively very promiscuous 17 year old at a party of 18-21 year olds is hardly the same thing.  My niece is 13 but passes for 18 with some makeup and her taller stature, so I don't blame the horned up young men at the party for being young and inexperienced enough to not bat an eye when a 17 year old claims to be 18.

 

Sure, a super aggressive young woman claiming to be exactly legal age SHOULD be a huge red flag, but that's easy for us learned old men to say long after our stupid younger years.

[boyst]

52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

yes we know now

So, you don't think any of us has enough experience, information, etc to base a solid opinion he was innocent before this information and even prior to December?

 

Seriously... I'm not surprised or disappointed here because if it was me and I'm wrong I still thump my chest when I'm wrong for the lulz.

1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

The people hammering the point about statutory rape are going on like she was a 14 year old at a party with 30 year olds.  An objectively very promiscuous 17 year old at a party of 18-21 year olds is hardly the same thing.  My niece is 13 but passes for 18 with some makeup and her taller stature, so I don't blame the horned up young men at the party for being young and inexperienced enough to not bat an eye when a 17 year old claims to be 18.

 

Sure, a super aggressive young woman claiming to be exactly legal age SHOULD be a huge red flag, but that's easy for us learned old men to say long after our stupid younger years.

As Beck pointed out a while back these athletes are coached on stuff like this. Even in the early 00's there was MULTIPLE events about understanding the position of a student athlete.  I don't know how all schools are but for the brief time I was a D1 MAC athlete I attended 3 seminars revolving about consent and STD's. Then there was substance abuse, PED education, gambling education, how to deal with attention/being an athlete in a non athlete world. 

 

These guys do get a lot of prep for how to avoid things like this. And still, many got in trouble but when some did they got out of it because of their athletic background.

[ScorpionZero]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

A couple things:

 

1.) The prosecutors claim they have witness' they say he left the party before the incident. Her attorney claims that the witnesses are lying to cover for a friend. Pinging his cell phone would clear all of this up, but that hasn't been revealed as of yet. Hopefully it is so there is no question and he is completely exonerated.

 

2.) Yes, there is video of her acting promiscuous and consenting in other acts. But do we know if there's video of the alleged rape? 

 

A woman can sleep with multiple guys in the same night and say and do promiscuous things all night long. But that doesn't make her fair game for anything with everyone who wants it for the entire night. She could have consented to things and not consented to others in the same night.

 

I'm bothered by the whole "she was acting like a sl-t, she obviously asked for it" mentality that's been floating around this thread. 

Wow, ah, wow, so profound, ah wow. Mind blown emoji.

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

The DA did not say that there was evidence via geolocation of Araiza's phone that he had left.  She said that there was witness testimony that Araiza had left.

1 minute ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

A couple things:

 

1.) The prosecutors claim they have witness' they say he left the party before the incident. Her attorney claims that the witnesses are lying to cover for a friend. Pinging his cell phone would clear all of this up, but that hasn't been revealed as of yet. Hopefully it is so there is no question and completely exonerated.

 

2.) Yes, there is video of her acting promiscuous and consenting in other acts. But do we know if there's video of the alleged rape? 

 

A woman can sleep with multiple guys in the same night and say and do promiscuous things all night long. But that doesn't make her fair game for anything with everyone who wants it for the entire night. She could have consented to things and not consented to others in the same night.

 

I'm bothered by the whole "she was acting like a sl-t, she obviously asked for it" mentality that's been floating around this thread. 

 

Another article I linked a couple weeks ago said that Araiza's lawyer is seeking to unseal cell phone tracking data, ostensibly for Araiza as there is no need to track her whereabouts since the only thing that matters is what happened to her in the house, and he wouldn't be doing that if he didn't know Araiza had left the house previously.  So technically you both are correct.  I would still like to see it, but again the witness and Araiza not appearing in any of the videos while the other guys she named (plus more) were, leaves her with zero evidence against him.  Meanwhile the evidence against the other guys couldn't even get a conviction.

[birdo67]

13 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

The people hammering the point about statutory rape are going on like she was a 14 year old at a party with 30 year olds.  An objectively very promiscuous 17 year old at a party of 18-21 year olds is hardly the same thing.  My niece is 13 but passes for 18 with some makeup and her taller stature, so I don't blame the horned up young men at the party for being young and inexperienced enough to not bat an eye when a 17 year old claims to be 18.

 

Sure, a super aggressive young woman claiming to be exactly legal age SHOULD be a huge red flag, but that's easy for us learned old men to say long after our stupid younger years.

And not blaming "horned up young men" but barely hiding your hatred for horned up young women is a huge "red flag," as you might put it.

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, ScorpionZero said:

That's really not the issue, one we lost a cost controlled player for 4 years, his talent aside. We had to spend more to replace him and we lost a draft pick. Now I know they said they did there due dlilly, but once social media gotta hold off this they tied our hands.

 

a sixth round pick?   thats hardly worth crying about.   

[RyanC883]

On 5/8/2023 at 7:48 PM, Doc said:

The question now becomes, are she/her lawyer really stupid enough to continue with the civil suit?

 

And when does he counter sue?

 

he should counter sue ASAP 

[ScorpionZero]

Just now, prissythecat said:

 

a sixth round pick?   thats hardly worth crying about.   

Do I really have to mention Tom Brady, a pick is a pick especially with the the QBs making as much as they do and the salary cap 

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, birdo67 said:

Talking about how your own 13-year-old niece could pass for 18 - you are one sick twist.

 

Huh?  The point is that underage girls can look legal if they dress up.  It's not a novel concept.

[JPPT1974]

Yeah as really his career is ruined. And hope he can bounce back. How that I am all for the victim and was for the young lady. But also there are two sides to every single story. As the so called "victim" I believed but what if she had in the taken on the sores and did them herself. Know that the story is going to be cleared for a very long time. Just hope young Matt can really move on and have a team on his own. Really if it proves he did not really participate and clear his name officially. Would sue the living daylights out of those that accuse him. Innocent until proven better sadly does not exist in this world. People are very quick to judge.

[chongli]

19 minutes ago, birdo67 said:

Talking about how your own 13-year-old niece could pass for 18 - you are one sick twist.

 

I don't see anything wrong with his post. He was just making a statement of fact.

 

3 minutes ago, birdo67 said:

The creeps are really outing themselves in this thread.

 

Now this is way over the top and unwarranted.

[prissythecat]

Just now, ScorpionZero said:

Do I really have to mention Tom Brady, a pick is a pick especially with the the QBs making as much as they do and the salary cap 

sure but getting a brady is not the norm for the sixth round.  with few exceptions, sixth round picks don't amount to much as only around 10-15% make the roster...

 

https://en.as.com/nfl/what-percentage-of-drafted-players-make-an-nfl-roster-n/

 

if araiza was picked in rounds 1-3 than there is definitely an argument about a wasted pick

[chongli]

23 hours ago, chongli said:

Well...I give to over/under to this thread being shut down for not contributing positively to the community here 1.5 days.

 

Yeah, I am quoting myself, but I still have 0.5 days left to see if this thread gets closed. It's just going to be an endless debate with attacks, accusations, and everyone on both sides getting pissed off. I don't see anything good coming from this thread.

[Bills Bud]

This doesn't prove innocence. Let's here the plantiffs rebuttal

[QCity]

37 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

A couple things:

 

1.) The prosecutors claim they have witness' they say he left the party before the incident. Her attorney claims that the witnesses are lying to cover for a friend. Pinging his cell phone would clear all of this up, but that hasn't been revealed as of yet. Hopefully it is so there is no question and he is completely exonerated.

 

2.) Yes, there is video of her acting promiscuous and consenting in other acts. But do we know if there's video of the alleged rape? 

 

A woman can sleep with multiple guys in the same night and say and do promiscuous things all night long. But that doesn't make her fair game for anything with everyone who wants it for the entire night. She could have consented to things and not consented to others in the same night.

 

I'm bothered by the whole "she was acting like a sl-t, she obviously asked for it" mentality that's been floating around this thread. 

 

Yes, there is video that the DA has watched. I'm posting quotes from the articles because it's clearly obvious many are simply too lazy to read them.

 

“Prosecutors said the footage from the cell phone of the sexual encounters did not suggest any forced behavior. “There’s nothing in the videos that sound like you’re saying ‘stop’ or ‘this hurts’ or anything like that,” Ted Mansour, an investigator for the San Diego County district attorney’s office, said at the meeting.

Prosecutors also said that videos from the bedroom show that her piercings were not ripped at the time and she was not bleeding from any wounds from it. “I don’t see any elements of force being used in the sexual encounters,” Assistant District Attorney Amador said.”

 

 

Multiple witnesses at the party heard her saying “I want you to [expletive] me and if you don’t [expletive] me you’re a [expletive].” and you are bothered by the "asking for it mentality?" She wasn't asking for it, she was literally demanding it.

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

Gotta change the energy in here:

[ScorpionZero]

25 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

sure but getting a brady is not the norm for the sixth round.  with few exceptions, sixth round picks don't amount to much as only around 10-15% make the roster...

 

https://en.as.com/nfl/what-percentage-of-drafted-players-make-an-nfl-roster-n/

 

if araiza was picked in rounds 1-3 than there is definitely an argument about a wasted pick

I'm not gonna argue with you, because you just don't get it, of course Brady's not the norm, but when was diggs picked and other important players that were picked late, the point is we lost because of social media and the ignorant influencers that cause these types of things to happen. He was guilty the week the accusation happened, because everyone is stuck staring at their phones.

[DCofNC]

Bring him back. 

[In Summary]

19 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Gotta change the energy in here:

I knew better than to look at more than a couple pages of this thread but I did it anyways.  Shame on me.

[Bills Bud]

14 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Bring him back. 

 

He admitted to having sex with a minor. No thanks.

[SCBills]