Matt Araiza

[Augie]

48 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

I'm confused. What year is it?

 

 

[Beck Water]

 

4 hours ago, phypon said:

 

“I don’t see any elements of force being used in the sexual encounter,” Amador said.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/araiza-not-present-time-alleged-215711086.html

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/witness-matt-araiza-present-time-alleged-rape/story?id=99204260

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/05/09/prosecutor-matt-araiza-not-present-during-alleged-gang-rape

 

Would you be surprised to know that all three of those links you provided can be searched, without finding the phrase you actually quote the DA Amador as saying?  I searched for "Amador" and "force" as well, just to be sure.

 

That's actually....kind of flagrant

 

The phrase "cannot prove forceable sexual assault" was used in the SI link.  There is a legal difference between "cannot prove forceable sexual assault" and "I don't see any elements of force being used in the sexual encounter".   The former means it would not likely meet a criminal court's standard of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

[NoSaint]

11 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

To be a bit fair to the actual media, I remember most of the actual reporting on the incident being pretty careful - and I'm fairly sure that if (as the civil suit alleged) I incapacitate you, lead you to the scene of an assault, and throw you down in front of your assaulters I'm legally held to have something to do with their crimes.  Accessory or something.

 

I also remember a number of opinion guys and some local press, as well as (of course) social media absolutely foaming at the mouth, and you're completely correct that they weren't interested in pesky details.

though they loved the lawyer putting out crazy claims allowing them to say “he lawyer alleges….” with all the sensationalism but none of the risk of finding their own headlines 

[boyst]

On 5/9/2023 at 9:24 AM, Gugny said:

I don’t think these “Satanist Clubs” are what you think they are. I wish they had them when my son was in school. 
 

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/what-is-an-after-school-satan-club/amp/

 

I want to join a satin club. 

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, boyst said:

I want to join a satin club. 

 

I’m trying to cut back on my Satan stuff as I age. I’m not sure if I’m a better person…….or just very tired.  🤷‍♂️

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m trying to cut back on my Satan stuff as I age. I’m not sure if I’m a better person…….or just very tired.  🤷‍♂️

I had a statin once. I rode it often, he was a beautiful black satan

Edited May 11, 2023 by boyst

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, boyst said:

I want to join a satin club. 

Smoooove. 

[phypon]

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Would you be surprised to know that all three of those links you provided can be searched, without finding the phrase you actually quote the DA Amador as saying?  I searched for "Amador" and "force" as well, just to be sure.

 

That's actually....kind of flagrant

 

The phrase "cannot prove forceable sexual assault" was used in the SI link.  There is a legal difference between "cannot prove forceable sexual assault" and "I don't see any elements of force being used in the sexual encounter".   The former means it would not likely meet a criminal court's standard of "proof beyond a reasonable doubt".

 

“In looking at the videos on the sex tape, I absolutely cannot prove any forceable sexual assault based upon what happened,” Amador said.

 

“I don’t see any elements of force being used in the sexual encounter,” Amador said.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/prosecutors-former-bills-punter-matt-araiza-wasnt-present-during-alleged-gang-rape-225211550.html

 

Booth of those quotes are from the above link, which was the first Yahoo link I read.  I thought the yahoo news was a reprint of the yahoo sports and I confused the links.

 

I found the other links that contained other information about MA not being there at the time of the alleged gang activities as well as other quotes from the DA.  There is a pretty good amount of evidence being presented in all of those links.  I don't know how much more evidence you need in order to see that the girl lied and was not raped.  I also don't know why you don't understand the evidence and can't seem to accept the fact that she lied.

Edited May 11, 2023 by phypon

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, phypon said:

 

“In looking at the videos on the sex tape, I absolutely cannot prove any forceable sexual assault based upon what happened,” Amador said.

 

“I don’t see any elements of force being used in the sexual encounter,” Amador said.

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/prosecutors-former-bills-punter-matt-araiza-wasnt-present-during-alleged-gang-rape-225211550.html

 

Booth of those quotes are from the above link, which was the first Yahoo link I read.  I thought the yahoo news was a reprint of the yahoo sports and I confused the links.

 

I found the other links that contained other information about MA not being there at the time of the alleged gang activities as well as other quotes from the DA.  There is a pretty good amount of evidence being presented in all of those links.  I don't know how much more evidence you need in order to see that the girl lied and was not raped.  I also don't know why you don't understand the evidence and can't seem to accept the fact that she lied.

All that is true according to the yahoo article and all that is definitely exculpatory. All beck is saying and all I guess have to say is that evidence is not all the evidence in the case. 
 

did some bad **** happen to this woman later on in the night? Possibly yes. Was Araiza involved? Probably no. 

[phypon]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

All that is true according to the yahoo article and all that is definitely exculpatory. All beck is saying and all I guess have to say is that evidence is not all the evidence in the case. 
 

did some bad **** happen to this woman later on in the night? Possibly yes. Was Araiza involved? Probably no. 

Well, what's the other evidence in the case then?  What is the other bad **** that possibly happened to this woman later in the night after the falsified gang stuff?  I mean, counting the gang stuff she's already up to having sex with four people in one night.  I haven't read anything about another sexual encounter after the gang stuff.  The video evidence of the gang stuff seems to prove that it was consensual.  Maybe I'm missing something.

[SCBills]

Days have gone by since the Araiza news broke.  Silence from so many prominent Bills influencers and media.

 

Sad to see.

 

Was hoping some of the more visible Bills accounts would step up and help clear the name of a man they helped destroy, but I guess that’s too much to ask.

 

Groups like Bills Mafia Babes, who do some really good things, have forever tarnished their name.   They don’t even have the decency to comment on this after taking a victory lap after this man lost his job. 
 

Kudos to those like Patrick Moran, Rico etc., who have stepped up and commented. 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Days have gone by since the Araiza news broke.  Silence from so many prominent Bills influencers and media.

 

Sad to see.

 

Was hoping some of the more visible Bills accounts would step up and help clear the name of a man they helped destroy, but I guess that’s too much to ask.

 

Groups like Bills Mafia Babes, who do some really good things, have forever tarnished their name.   They don’t even have the decency to comment on this after taking a victory lap after this man lost his job. 
 

Kudos to those like Patrick Moran, Rico etc., who have stepped up and commented. 

 

Not surprising.  No one really wants to admit they were wrong and usually won't do so unless/until their feet are held to the fire.

[Your Brown Eye]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

Days have gone by since the Araiza news broke.  Silence from so many prominent Bills influencers and media.

 

Sad to see.

 

Was hoping some of the more visible Bills accounts would step up and help clear the name of a man they helped destroy, but I guess that’s too much to ask.

 

Groups like Bills Mafia Babes, who do some really good things, have forever tarnished their name.   They don’t even have the decency to comment on this after taking a victory lap after this man lost his job. 
 

Kudos to those like Patrick Moran, Rico etc., who have stepped up and commented. 

 

Are you really shocked? In today's age, especially with social media, it has become so easy to join the mob mentality and crucify anyone without any repercussions of their own. They won't say anything, they will sit on their high horse and act like they did the right thing. People are spineless when it comes to apologizing. If they had any stones or decency, the Bills Mafia "Babes" would personally fund a go-fund-me account for Araiza and his family in an attempt to apologize, but they won't, I guarantee it.

[QCity]

Both parties speak out.

 

How Matt Araiza, former NFL punter, is trying to clear name after rape accusation

[f0neguy]

I read somewhere that the Bills and/or the league couldn’t put him on the exempt list as he had never been a rostered player (or something like that).

[Beck Water]

31 minutes ago, QCity said:

Both parties speak out.

 

How Matt Araiza, former NFL punter, is trying to clear name after rape accusation

 

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In an interview with USA TODAY Sports, the woman emphasized that she was intoxicated to the point of not being able to consent to sex and that the video clips show only a fraction of what happened that night. She said the videos add up to around 30 seconds out of a sequence that lasted more than 90 minutes. 

“I just don’t think that’s fair at all to look at these short clips that were already way into this assault already happening and make a judgment on that and say that that was consensual,” she said.

 

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Her lawsuit states that her nose, belly button and ear piercings had been pulled out and that she was also bleeding from her *****.

But Amador initially said the sex video clips show her piercings “are all still in.”

“So I don't know who or how or when those would have been removed, but during the videos, all of your piercings are still in,” Amador said.

Amador later acknowledged on the recording she couldn’t see the woman’s belly in the video to determine if the piercing was ripped out.

“That's the worst one,” the woman replied. “It was completely ripped through.· I still have like a hole in it. It completely ripped through.”

 

I don't know if it will go anywhere, but the woman's attorney, Dan Gilleon, is saying he is determined to continue her civil case.  It sounds as though they're kind of asking a pretty token sum, but at the same time, he's shown before he is willing to make a lot of noise.

 

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The woman’s civil lawsuit remains pending against Araiza, Ewaliko and Leonard. She is seeking unspecified damages, and a trial date has been set for October in San Diego. Gilleon, her attorney, confirmed he offered to settle the case with Araiza for $50,000.

 

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His agent said NFL teams fear a public-relations backlash that might come from signing him.

“We didn’t think that these teams would be as discriminatory as they are,” said Linta, Araiza’s agent. “I never thought in a million years that once he was cleared and proved that he did nothing wrong that teams would still be ignorant. That’s really what it is: ignorance.”

 

I completely understand the prosecutor's decision to not file charges because a jury would 100% find "a reasonable doubt" in the evidence the DA cited, but there's apparently a lot of evidence the DA didn't go into.  A civil trial mid-season would be seen as a distraction and potentially embarrassing to a team that signed Araiza.  I can understand why teams would feel they don't want to go there; Araiza's agent's take painting the teams as "ignorant" doesn't seem very constructive and perhaps

 

 

[K-9]

54 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

I don't know if it will go anywhere, but the woman's attorney, Dan Gilleon, is saying he is determined to continue her civil case.  It sounds as though they're kind of asking a pretty token sum, but at the same time, he's shown before he is willing to make a lot of noise.

 

I completely understand the prosecutor's decision to not file charges because a jury would 100% find "a reasonable doubt" in the evidence the DA cited, but there's apparently a lot of evidence the DA didn't go into.  A civil trial mid-season would be seen as a distraction and potentially embarrassing to a team that signed Araiza.  I can understand why teams would feel they don't want to go there; Araiza's agent's take painting the teams as "ignorant" doesn't seem very constructive and perhaps

I doubt any NFL team is ignorant of the still pending civil case and until that’s resolved I doubt any would welcome the distraction in season. The public tend to dismiss civil suits as less serious, but while the bar for the jury to find guilt is lower, the charges filed in them are often very serious, as is the case here. That said, imo her attorney is doing her a great disservice given the DA findings. That will carry weight in the courtroom, regardless.

Edited May 11, 2023 by K-9

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, f0neguy said:

I read somewhere that the Bills and/or the league couldn’t put him on the exempt list as he had never been a rostered player (or something like that).

 

Not quite.  The CBA prohibits the NFL or teams from taking any action against a player for events which occur before he is signed.

So even if he had been on a roster before, they still couldn't act because the events took place before he was signed (or even drafted).

 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

I doubt any NFL team is ignorant of the still pending civil case and until that’s resolved I doubt any would welcome the distraction in season. The public tend to dismiss civil suits as less serious, but while the bar for the jury to find guilt is lower, the charges filed in them are often very serious, as is the case here. That said, imo her attorney is doing her a great disservice given the DA findings. That will carry weight in the courtroom, regardless.

 

Yeah, I don't know what to think of that.  The USAToday article @QCity linked makes it seem a slam-dunk that Araiza did nothing and the girl was a willing partner for everything that went on that night.  But the girl's attorney makes it seem as though the DA presented a limited, biased set of evidence, and the full picture looks very different.   There are just these little "uh, what?" tidbits, like the DA saying "your piercings were still intact in that video" "um, you can't see her navel area in that video" "oh, yeah, you're right, I can't" and so forth.

 

So I think where we're at is, without the full evidence, the rest of us don't know what's true or not. 

 

I think that is what's giving teams pause, especially since the "slivy tove" lawyer has made it very clear he will try a case in the media. 

 

But if the attorney is mistaken, it would seem Araiza has a pretty sound case against them for defamation or whatever it's called in Cali., with lost earnings and the whole ball of wax.

 

Edited May 12, 2023 by Beck Water

[Arkady Renko]

On 5/9/2023 at 9:24 AM, Gugny said:

I don’t think these “Satanist Clubs” are what you think they are. I wish they had them when my son was in school. 
 

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/what-is-an-after-school-satan-club/amp/

 

Yes, they are a bunch of trolls who mock the beliefs of others.  

[Gugny]

10 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said:

Yes, they are a bunch of trolls who mock the beliefs of others.  

Mock?  Or challenge?

[Arkady Renko]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Mock?  Or challenge?

Mock.  Like all trolls.  They can spin it how they want.  “Awkctuallly…..”

[The 9 Isles]

Good break down here 

 

 

[mjw11]

Interview with Matt Araiza https://www.kusi.com/exclusive-matt-araizas-first-on-camera-interview-since-being-exonerated-from-rape-allegations/

[Doc]

6 hours ago, The 9 Isles said:

Good break down here 

 

 

 

That was horrible.  It looked like he just saw the headline and was reading the rest on air in real time.  The guy couldn't even say Araiza correctly and didn't know that in California being lied to about age is a valid defense for having sex with a minor.

Edited May 16, 2023 by Doc

[StHustle]

23 hours ago, mjw11 said:

Interview with Matt Araiza https://www.kusi.com/exclusive-matt-araizas-first-on-camera-interview-since-being-exonerated-from-rape-allegations/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This one won't embed but here is a third interview. Good job for him not willing to settle out of court. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFVVJshS1BM&ab_channel=ABC10News

[SCBills]

He’s doing an interview with Tomi Lahren on Outkick in a few minutes. 
 

Bills portion:

 

Doesnt blame the Bills.  Says he wishes it would’ve been handled differently, but they treated him with respect, however in the end the allegations were just too much for them to deal with. 
 

Also says that the Bills were in on all the evidence and interactions with his lawyer for about a month before he was cut.  Again, in the end, the allegations just became too much for them to deal with. 
 

Edited May 18, 2023 by SCBills

[boyst]

18 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He’s doing an interview with Tomi Lahren on Outkick in a few minutes. 
 

Bills portion:

 

Doesnt blame the Bills.  Says he wishes it would’ve been handled differently, but they treated him with respect, however in the end the allegations were just too much for them to deal with. 
 

Also says that the Bills were in on all the evidence and interactions with his lawyer for about a month before he was cut.  Again, in the end, the allegations just became too much for them to deal with. 
 

You should not blame the bills, they only did what the so-called "public" wanted. 

 

The way I was told to think of the public in a marketing class will stick with me. "Think of the dumbest person you know. Half of the people in this world are equal or less than that person in intelligence and choices"

 

Sadly, they are the loudest voices and cause the most trouble. I wish stupid would hurt. 

[rusty shackleford]

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/matt-araiza-holds-nothing-against-bills-despite-cut-false-gang-rape-allegations.amp
 

At least he understands the way the world works today and has his head grounded in reality unlike those that were fixated on taking him down.

[JoPoy88]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 Some call them dumb, I call them human. Humans are emotional by nature. 
 

There is no reason why anyone should’ve known Araiza was under investigation. The system is set up to support cancel culture. There is an easy fix and no one seems to be interested in fixing it. Seal all the names until charges are filed.

 

These investigations can take over a year. How is someone supposed to continue living their life while being publicly investigated for sexual assault?

I generally agree with your idea of sealing names of accused (and alleged victims) at least until criminal charges are filed. That would require a major change in public records law however, and would definitely not be an “easy” fix. You would have to change rules for civil pleadings as well. That’s how this news got out remember. Neither the cops nor the DA leaked he was being investigated - it became news when the civil suit was filed.

 

As to whether those who jump to judgment immediately upon hearing allegations like this are dumb or simply emotional, I think it’s pretty fair to say people who simply believe someone they’ve never met about something they weren’t there themselves to see are, in fact, pretty frigging dumb. Or at least mind numbingly naive. 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by JoPoy88

[Buffalo_Stampede]

19 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

I generally agree with your idea of sealing names of accused (and alleged victims) at least until criminal charges are filed. That would require a major change in public records law however, and would definitely not be an “easy” fix. You would have to change rules for civil pleadings as well. That’s how this news got out remember. Neither the cops nor the DA leaked he was being investigated - it became news when the civil suit was filed.

 

As to whether those who jump to judgment immediately upon hearing allegations like this are dumb or simply emotional, I think it’s pretty fair to say people who simply believe someone they’ve never met about something they weren’t there themselves to see are, in fact, pretty frigging dumb. Or at least mind numbingly naive. 

 

 

I’ve asked this question several times. If your daughter or sister came to you and said she was raped what would your reaction be? Would you tell her that you need to hear the guys story first or would you immediately believe her story?

 

Social media is pushing support for the accuser. The reason is because many sexual assaults don’t get reported or they get dismissed. Many people have close relationships with people that have been sexually assaulted. Social media is trying to make it easier for people to come forward after being sexually assaulted. Understandable, but lives can be ruined if someone lied about it.
 

The laws have to change to protect all involved because people do lie. Waiting for the facts to come out in these cases is very difficult. Sometimes the facts are never known. There’s some people that still don’t believe Araiza is innocent even though he won’t be charged. They have to change the laws when it comes to sexual assault. If they can seal the accusers name they can seal the accused. 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[JoPoy88]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I’ve asked this question several times. If your daughter or sister came to you and said she was raped what would your reaction be? Would you tell her that you need to hear the guys story first or would you immediately believe her story?

 

Social media is pushing support for the accuser. The reason is because many sexual assaults don’t get reported or they get dismissed. Many people have close relationships with people that have been sexually assaulted. 
 

The laws have to change to protect all involved because people do lie. Waiting for the facts to come out in these cases is very difficult. Sometimes the facts are never known. There’s some people that still don’t believe Araiza is innocent even though he won’t be charged. They have to change the laws when it comes to sexual assault. If they can seal the accusers name they can seal the accused. 

My daughter or sister would be people I personally know very well. So of course I would believe them. Not the same thing as people reading about these allegations on twitter from an unnamed accuser that they don’t know from Adam and immediately condemning the accused.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

My daughter or sister would be people I personally know very well. So of course I would believe them. Not the same thing as people reading about these allegations on twitter from an unnamed accuser that they don’t know from Adam and immediately condemning the accused.

Most people hear something like rape and immediately react how they would if it were someone close to them.

 

Also many people have been through or know someone that has been through this situation. It’s very traumatic on both sides. So their reactions are biased. Again, it’s human. 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Most people hear something like rape and immediately react how they would if it were someone close to them.

 

Also many people have been through or know someone that has been through this situation. It’s very traumatic on both sides. So their reactions are biased. Again, it’s human. 

 

 

Sure I agree with that; it is human. It’s human weakness and irrational bias. Not something that should just be allowed to exist without questioning it.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

14 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Sure I agree with that; it is human. It’s human weakness and irrational bias. Not something that should just be allowed to exist without questioning it.

Not sure what you mean by saying it shouldn’t be allowed?

 

There’s nothing we can do about it but change how these accusations are reported. We can’t stop people from having opinions. 

 

 

[JoPoy88]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Not sure what you mean by saying it shouldn’t be allowed?

 

There’s nothing we can do about it but change how these accusations are reported. We can’t stop people from having opinions. 

 

 

I’m saying it should not just be waved away without pointing it out and questioning it, that’s all. There are many things we see and hear everyday that are perfectly okay to make snap judgements about. Serious felony charges aren’t one of them. 

Edited May 19, 2023 by JoPoy88

[Buffalo_Stampede]

52 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

I’m saying it should not just be waved away without pointing it out and questioning it, that’s all. There are many things we see and hear everyday that are perfectly okay to make snap judgements about. Serious felony charges aren’t one of them. 

Everyone is going to have an opinion. Especially when it involves a celebrity or public figure and it’s all over the news.
 

I remember when the Kobe news broke when I was a kid. I didn’t believe the accuser simply because Kobe was my favorite basketball player and he was nice on TV. I honestly don’t know anyone that believed Kobe would do something like that.

 

Going after people for having opinions is kind of backwards thinking. We need to fix it, but that won’t fix anything.

 

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The laws have to change to protect all involved because people do lie. Waiting for the facts to come out in these cases is very difficult. Sometimes the facts are never known. There’s some people that still don’t believe Araiza is innocent even though he won’t be charged. They have to change the laws when it comes to sexual assault. If they can seal the accusers name they can seal the accused. 

 

Yes they do.  When I was growing up a fellow student was accused of rape by girl's father.  He denied it but evidence pointed to him including a item of clothing of his.  Girl was adamant on who the attacker was after hours during school event and there were no witnesses.  He was suspended from school (he was on athletic team and scholarship offers both he lost) and her father who was very conservative with his children was very vocal that he be in jail before he was even tried.  He demanded student's family pay for medical costs for abortion was not an option and someone needed to pay for costs of child. The student lost his friends, his siblings were harassed and he finally committed suicide for which girl's father claimed evidence of his guilt.  When baby was born was treated for RH incompatibility and ends up student accused could not be the father.   Pressure from a police investigator resulted the girl admitting deceased boy was not father but a fellow student was and she had a relationship at school but could not tell family since she was forbidder from having a boyfriend or premarital sex.  The true father took item from his gym locker and told her to blame him. He expected the accused boy's father to just pay for his son's transgressions and just keep everything quiet.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Yes they do.  When I was growing up a fellow student was accused of rape by girl's father.  He denied it but evidence pointed to him including an item of clothing of his.  Girl was adamant on who the attacker was after hours during school event and there were no witnesses.  He was suspended from school (he was on athletic team and scholarship offers both he lost) and her father who was very conservative with his children was very vocal that he be in jail before he was even tried.  He demanded student's family pay for medical costs for abortion was not an option and someone needed to pay for costs of child. The student lost his friends, his siblings were harassed and he finally committed suicide for which girl's father claimed evidence of his guilt.  When baby was born was treated for RH incompatibility and ends up student accused could not be the father.   Pressure from a police investigator resulted the girl admitting deceased boy was not father but a fellow student was and she had a relationship at school but could not tell family since she was forbidder from having a boyfriend or premarital sex.  The true father took item from his gym locker and told her to blame him. He expected the accused boy's father to just pay for his son's transgressions and just keep everything quiet.

Horrible. A lot of these stories don’t get told. I remember a similar story that made national news. The boy was in jail. I don’t remember how that ended but I remember seeing the story. He was a highly recruited football player.

[JoPoy88]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Everyone is going to have an opinion. Especially when it involves a celebrity or public figure and it’s all over the news.
 

I remember when the Kobe news broke when I was a kid. I didn’t believe the accuser simply because Kobe was my favorite basketball player and he was nice on TV. I honestly don’t know anyone that believed Kobe would do something like that.

 

Going after people for having opinions is kind of backwards thinking. We need to fix it, but that won’t fix anything.

 

I’m not suggesting “going after them.” I’m not saying people should be shamed or abused, demand they make public apologies, or anything else that’s been advocated for in this thread and elsewhere. All I said was that sort of thinking should be questioned and not waved away as just human nature when the consequences faced by people who are wrongly accused of serious crimes are real and lasting.