Matt Araiza

[NoSaint]

15 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

First of all, why should I tell you why no teams haven't signed Araiza to this point? I've yet to make any claims that any team should or will, I've only questioned your assertions. 

 

I could make any number of guesses as to why nobody has signed him yet, but it would all be baseless speculation.  On the other hand I will be surprised if some team doesn't bring him in before next season based solely on his football resume.

Im going with no race in May without much in the way of team activities or learning of the playbook for a punter 

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

He's been cleared.  What's the optics problem now?

 

2 guys were taken 2 rounds ahead of him because 2 teams thought they were a better pick at Punter. Those picks paid off: Camarda is an excellent Punter last year--#5 in yards per.  Stout had 46 yards per and put nearly 46% inside the 20---ranked 5th in the league.  

Again, there is still the civil trial. What is the other reason? That he’s not good enough? The kid boomed an 82 yard punt in preseason end showed that he could hold for kicks. Way too early to make that pronouncement.  
 

And it’s not like the league is chock-full of great punters and most teams keep two of them in preseason. He will get his chance when the civil trial is settled.

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

Again, there is still the civil trial. What is the other reason? That he’s not good enough? The kid boomed an 82 yard punt in preseason end showed that he could hold for kicks. Way too early to make that pronouncement.  
 

And it’s not like the league is chock-full of great punters and most teams keep two of them in preseason. He will get his chance when the civil trial is settled.

 

Teams think he might be found liable?  How is that possible if he's cleared?  The recent news detailing that should put any team at ease right now, no?

 

Who knows if he's good enough, one punt not withstanding.  I was making the point that the guys picked ahead of him have paid off. 

 

Most teams bring in a second punter to camp? For what?  Link?

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, NoSaint said:

there’s a terribly narrow needle to thread, and I think a true press team would use third parties to play up “punter fully cleared of false accusations” to create some subconscious familiarity with the story line without him throwing his face all over interviews. 
 

“didn’t that kicker we signed have that thing?!? What was the accusation? I don’t recall the details but I know I heard it was made up” becomes just the right level of hazy water under the bridge

That and a statement saying he’s only interested in returning to football.

 

Unfortunately, that may still not be enough because his situation will be used by grifters on both political sides of the aisle to push their culture war agenda.  Thus amplifying his name and potential NFL teams determining  he’s not worth it.  Again, I do feel bad for him.

Edited May 20, 2023 by Doc Brown

[Buffalo_Stampede]

He’ll get a shot but probably not when this is all over the news and social media. Probably get a tryout around camp time or maybe next year.

[ExiledInIllinois]

13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

That and a statement saying he’s only interested in returning to football.

 

Unfortunately, that may still not be enough because his situation will be used by grifters on both political sides of the aisle to push their culture war agenda.  Thus amplifying his name and potential NFL teams determining  he’s not worth it.  Again, I do feel bad for him.

There's the CFL, XFL.

 

Hey kids, don't do what Matt did. Chose your friends wisely. 

[Doc Brown]

11 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

There's the CFL, XFL.

 

Hey kids, don't do what Matt did. Chose your friends wisely. 

Possibly but even in those leagues owners are terrified of anything hurting their bottom line.

[ExiledInIllinois]

6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Possibly but even in those leagues owners are terrified of anything hurting their bottom line.

MA bought his ticket:

Yeah... He really put himself in an unfortunate situation. Like I said... Learning experience for others. Not the end of the world. Punting at pro level is a high earning career. Welcome to being a regular worker Matt...

 

 

Edited May 20, 2023 by ExiledInIllinois

[Doc]

40 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Teams think he might be found liable?  How is that possible if he's cleared?  The recent news detailing that should put any team at ease right now, no?

 

Who knows if he's good enough, one punt not withstanding.  I was making the point that the guys picked ahead of him have paid off. 

 

Most teams bring in a second punter to camp? For what?  Link?

Yeah, the guys picked ahead of him have paid off because they didn’t have a false rape accusation leveled against them. What is so hard about to understand about this?  
 

And teams routinely have 2 punters and kickers in for training camp to reduce the kicking load on just one player.  Araiza has shown enough to warrant bringing him in for a tryout versus the JAGs that keeps circulating around the league.

[Mr. WEO]

25 minutes ago, Doc said:

Yeah, the guys picked ahead of him have paid off because they didn’t have a false rape accusation leveled against them. What is so hard about to understand about this?  
 

And teams routinely have 2 punters and kickers in for training camp to reduce the kicking load on just one player.  Araiza has shown enough to warrant bringing him in for a tryout versus the JAGs that keeps circulating around the league.

They are good punters because no one said they raped them? That made them get those numbers? 
 

lol ok

 

is there a lot of wear and tear on the primary Punter in training camp?  I’ve not heard that.  I would think they are the least load stressed players in the dorm…

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Teams think he might be found liable?  How is that possible if he's cleared?  The recent news detailing that should put any team at ease right now, no?

 

You understand the difference between a DA's decision to not press charges, and a civil suit, yes?  The one has a standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and the other "more likely than not".  I was empaneled for jury selection for a civil suit and the lawyer for the plaintiff made a huge deal out of "a hair's difference" being the standard.

 

The civil trial is scheduled for October, the young woman's lawyer has made a huge deal out of the DA being selective in what evidence was discussed in their meeting - as is appropriate, given that the purpose is for the DA to explain why there is "reasonable doubt" in the evidence. 

 

He's made a point that they won't "be intimidated into dropping their case", and Araiza has made a point that he isn't interested in settling, even for a relatively minor amount of money.

 

Why wouldn't teams be leary of signing a rookie punter who is scheduled to have the potentially huge distraction (and PR problem) of a civil trial start 1/3 of the way through the season?

 

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Most teams bring in a second punter to camp? For what?  Link?

 

I don't think it's "most", but there were several good veteran punters available after roster cutdowns last season because 3 or 4 teams had 2 punters in camp.

1 hour ago, Doc said:

And teams routinely have 2 punters and kickers in for training camp to reduce the kicking load on just one player.

 

Really?  Who did the Bills have in prior to last year's preseason?  I know they had Araiza and Haack in camp in 2022, but who besides Haack did they have in 2021?

Who did they have besides Bojo in 2019 and 2020?

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

You understand the difference between a DA's decision to not press charges, and a civil suit, yes?  The one has a standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and the other "more likely than not".  I was empaneled for jury selection for a civil suit and the lawyer for the plaintiff made a huge deal out of "a hair's difference" being the standard.

 

The civil trial is scheduled for October, the young woman's lawyer has made a huge deal out of the DA being selective in what evidence was discussed in their meeting - as is appropriate, given that the purpose is for the DA to explain why there is "reasonable doubt" in the evidence. 

 

He's made a point that they won't "be intimidated into dropping their case", and Araiza has made a point that he isn't interested in settling, even for a relatively minor amount of money.

 

Why wouldn't teams be leary of signing a rookie punter who is scheduled to have the potentially huge distraction (and PR problem) of a civil trial start 1/3 of the way through the season?

 

 

I don't think it's "most", but there were several good veteran punters available after roster cutdowns last season because 3 or 4 teams had 2 punters in camp.

 

Really?  Who did the Bills have in prior to last year's preseason?  I know they had Araiza and Haack in camp in 2022, but who besides Haack did they have in 2021?

Who did they have besides Bojo in 2019 and 2020?

 

yes

 

what is alleged is a crime.  it's now a tort because the DA, after what they felt was an exhaustive investigation, found no evidence of such.  What might the plaintiff's lawyer have that would prove a crime and why would he not have produced it before now?  Wouldn't a criminal charge make his civil case a lot more solid?  Why was he withholding "the evidence"?

 

also, I guess a team would bring in another Punter to camp if their current Punter stinks, not for some sort of work load issue, or whatever doc was getting at.

 

[Doc]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

They are good punters because no one said they raped them? That made them get those numbers? 
 

lol ok

 

is there a lot of wear and tear on the primary Punter in training camp?  I’ve not heard that.  I would think they are the least load stressed players in the dorm…

OK, I guess it is hard to grasp for some.  Put another way, how do you know how Araiza would have done when he didn’t even play last year because of the allegations?  He might’ve been even better than both of them.  He might’ve been just as good. Or he might have been just a little worse, which is fine since he was drafted a round later. The point is we won’t know until he actually plays.  
 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2023 by Doc

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

yes

 

what is alleged is a crime.  it's now a tort because the DA, after what they felt was an exhaustive investigation, found no evidence of such.  What might the plaintiff's lawyer have that would prove a crime and why would he not have produced it before now?  Wouldn't a criminal charge make his civil case a lot more solid?  Why was he withholding "the evidence"?

 

also, I guess a team would bring in another Punter to camp if their current Punter stinks, not for some sort of work load issue, or whatever doc was getting at.

 

You’ll have to ask Gilleon what his strategy is. My guess is that he’s going to claim the rape happened after the video taped encounters were done, and try and play on the heartstrings of the jury by showing her piercings being ripped out, marks on her body and her tearful testimony. He’ll probably also try to say that just because arise it wasn’t on tape and a witness saw him leave, it doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.

[JoPoy88]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

Yeah, the guys picked ahead of him have paid off because they didn’t have a false rape accusation leveled against them. What is so hard about to understand about this?  
 

And teams routinely have 2 punters and kickers in for training camp to reduce the kicking load on just one player.  Araiza has shown enough to warrant bringing him in for a tryout versus the JAGs that keeps circulating around the league.

that first part has always wondered me - why was the “punt god” the 3rd punter drafted? Is it because all these teams (except the Bills apparently) knew about the rape allegations prior to draft day or were there other reasons?

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

that first part has always wondered me - why was the “punt god” the 3rd punter drafted? Is it because all these teams (except the Bills apparently) knew about the rape allegations prior to draft day or were there other reasons?

No idea. Could have been the allegations and/or that he wasn’t a proven holder for kicks and/or he wasn’t a polished product. 

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

You understand the difference between a DA's decision to not press charges, and a civil suit, yes?  The one has a standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" and the other "more likely than not".  I was empaneled for jury selection for a civil suit and the lawyer for the plaintiff made a huge deal out of "a hair's difference" being the standard.

 

The civil trial is scheduled for October, the young woman's lawyer has made a huge deal out of the DA being selective in what evidence was discussed in their meeting - as is appropriate, given that the purpose is for the DA to explain why there is "reasonable doubt" in the evidence. 

 

He's made a point that they won't "be intimidated into dropping their case", and Araiza has made a point that he isn't interested in settling, even for a relatively minor amount of money.

 

Why wouldn't teams be leary of signing a rookie punter who is scheduled to have the potentially huge distraction (and PR problem) of a civil trial start 1/3 of the way through the season?

 

 

I don't think it's "most", but there were several good veteran punters available after roster cutdowns last season because 3 or 4 teams had 2 punters in camp.

 

Really?  Who did the Bills have in prior to last year's preseason?  I know they had Araiza and Haack in camp in 2022, but who besides Haack did they have in 2021?

Who did they have besides Bojo in 2019 and 2020?

To be fair most teams do probably have two punters or 2 kickers from mini to TC… Like 3 total 

 

Especially alternating kickoff duty 

 

When we had bojo  was it was Corey Carter in camp with him

Edited May 21, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Mr. WEO]

52 minutes ago, Doc said:

OK, I guess it is hard to grasp for some.  Put another way, how do you know how Araiza would have done when he didn’t even play last year because of the allegations?  He might’ve been even better than both of them.  He might’ve been just as good. Or he might have been just a little worse, which is fine since he was drafted a round later. The point is we won’t know until he actually plays.  
 

 

 

no team thought he was the best Punter in the draft. 
 

46 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You’ll have to ask Gilleon what his strategy is. My guess is that he’s going to claim the rape happened after the video taped encounters were done, and try and play on the heartstrings of the jury by showing her piercings being ripped out, marks on her body and her tearful testimony. He’ll probably also try to say that just because arise it wasn’t on tape and a witness saw him leave, it doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.

what would he produce that would convince the jury that a preponderance of evidence proves  he raped her? Simply saying “he raped her after the video” won’t work doc. 

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

To be fair most teams do probably have two punters in camp

 

You don’t want his leg to get overworked

 

When we had bojo  was it was Corey Carter in camp with him

how does a Punter get overworked in training camp? 

[Buffalo716]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

no team thought he was the best Punter in the draft. 
 

what would he produce that would convince the jury that a preponderance of evidence proves  he raped her? Simply saying “he raped her after the video” won’t work doc. 

how does a Punter get overworked in training camp? 

Every single sport that uses a limb… It’s a rule of thumb not to overdo it

 

Baseball pitchers can’t throw 24/7… Quarterbacks always have routines when they’re throwing and not throwing

 

And place kickers can’t be kicking 300 field goals day For weeks… Same with punters 

 

It takes a little stress off of your leg splitting reps with a camp leg 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Every single sport that uses a limb… It’s a rule of thumb not to overdo it

 

Baseball pitchers can’t throw 24/7… Quarterbacks always have routines when they’re throwing and not throwing

 

And place kickers can’t be kicking 300 field goals day For five weeks straight… Same with punters 

 

It takes a little stress off of your leg splitting reps with a camp leg 

 

it’s camp—1 dozen practices 

Edited May 21, 2023 by Mr. WEO

[Buffalo716]

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

it’s camp.  

 

The bills have certainly had multiple punters in camp the last couple years

 

There was no competition between Corey Carter and Bojo

 

Sometimes you do want multiple fresh legs… You act like kickers and punters can’t get injured

6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

it’s camp—1 dozen practices 

And for two weeks sometimes you want multiple legs… Or in the time between mini camp and training camp

 

You get 90+ roster spots

 

It wasn’t too long ago the bills kept a kick off specialist.. Because they didn’t want Hauschka’s leg double dipping on kick off duty

 

It was all about saving Hauschka‘s leg

 

47 kickers are on nfl rosters rn…and 42 punters 

 

 

 

Edited May 21, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

no team thought he was the best Punter in the draft. 

 

So?  It doesn’t mean he couldn’t turn out to be.  

 

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

what would he produce that would convince the jury that a preponderance of evidence proves  he raped her? Simply saying “he raped her after the video” won’t work doc. 

Again you’ll have to ask Gilleon. He must think he has an ace up his sleeve considering he hasn’t withdrawn the civil suit. Or more likely he’s an idiot who doesn’t know when to quit. 

[SinceThe70s]

26 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

no team thought he was the best Punter in the draft. 
 

 

 

Is it possible that there was a team(s) that thought he was the best punter in the draft but either didn't want to expend a draft pick on a punter or felt their punter was better than the best punter in the draft? Seems to me that a more accurate statement would be along the lines that at least two teams did not think he was the best punter in the draft.

[K-9]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

that first part has always wondered me - why was the “punt god” the 3rd punter drafted? Is it because all these teams (except the Bills apparently) knew about the rape allegations prior to draft day or were there other reasons?

Coming out, he had a slow get off time and was a question mark as a holder and the two punters taken before him were much more polished. But there is simply no ignoring his powerful leg, so he was worth the investment, regardless.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said:

that first part has always wondered me - why was the “punt god” the 3rd punter drafted? Is it because all these teams (except the Bills apparently) knew about the rape allegations prior to draft day or were there other reasons?

The big concern with Araiza is he has a heck of a leg but has trouble with control as he struggled in college with the pooch punt as most of the time he tried to pin a team inside the 20 the ball went into the end zone for a touchback most of the time.  The two punters taken ahead of him were better in that area.  I had him as my number two punter behind Stout before the draft but was thrilled to get him in the sixth.

 

6 hours ago, Doc said:

Yeah, the guys picked ahead of him have paid off because they didn’t have a false rape accusation leveled against them. What is so hard about to understand about this?  
 

And teams routinely have 2 punters and kickers in for training camp to reduce the kicking load on just one player.  Araiza has shown enough to warrant bringing him in for a tryout versus the JAGs that keeps circulating around the league.

The problem with even bringing him in for a competition imo is that team will have outside public pressure on that team for him to win the job.

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

That and a statement saying he’s only interested in returning to football.

 

Unfortunately, that may still not be enough because his situation will be used by grifters on both political sides of the aisle to push their culture war agenda.  Thus amplifying his name and potential NFL teams determining  he’s not worth it.  Again, I do feel bad for him.

 

I don't think "grifters on both political sides of the aisle" are a problem for teams who might be interested in Araiza.

 

I think an actual pending civil suit scheduled to occur mid season is a problem for teams who might be interested in Araiza.

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

what is alleged is a crime.  it's now a tort because the DA, after what they felt was an exhaustive investigation, found no evidence of such.  What might the plaintiff's lawyer have that would prove a crime and why would he not have produced it before now?  Wouldn't a criminal charge make his civil case a lot more solid?  Why was he withholding "the evidence"?

 

I said nothing about evidence the plaintiff's lawyer has

 

But said lawyer (who IMO is a piece of work) pointed out correctly that the DA, and the released interview, only touched on a portion of the evidence.

Yes, a criminal charge would make a civil case more solid, but the absence of a criminal charge doesn't mean absence of evidence that would support a civil verdict.

 

Again, I'm not saying there is such evidence, I'm not saying the civil suit has merit, I'm just saying being cleared of a possible criminal charge does not mean Araiza's legal journey is over, as long as a civil suit is still pending.

Edited May 21, 2023 by Beck Water

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I don't think "grifters on both political sides of the aisle" are a problem for teams who might be interested in Araiza.

 

I think an actual pending civil suit scheduled to occur mid season is a problem for teams who might be interested in Araiza.

The thing is that no matter the outcome the civil suit the NFL wouldn't be able to punish him anyways since it happened before the draft.  I'm thinking more long term as this case is ripe for the current political blue state/red state discourse that will only make him more polarizing reducing the likelihood of someone signing him.  That's why I think he should lay low as possible and especially not give interviews with people like Tomi Lahren.

[Augie]

6 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Is it possible that there was a team(s) that thought he was the best punter in the draft but either didn't want to expend a draft pick on a punter or felt their punter was better than the best punter in the draft? Seems to me that a more accurate statement would be along the lines that at least two teams did not think he was the best punter in the draft.

 

Well, sure, if you want to be like…..accurate and stuff.  

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

The bills have certainly had multiple punters in camp the last couple years

 

There was no competition between Corey Carter and Bojo

 

Sometimes you do want multiple fresh legs… You act like kickers and punters can’t get injured

And for two weeks sometimes you want multiple legs… Or in the time between mini camp and training camp

 

You get 90+ roster spots

 

It wasn’t too long ago the bills kept a kick off specialist.. Because they didn’t want Hauschka’s leg double dipping on kick off duty

 

It was all about saving Hauschka‘s leg

 

47 kickers are on nfl rosters rn…and 42 punters 

 

 

 

 

Hauschka wasn't a punter.

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, Doc said:

 

So?  It doesn’t mean he couldn’t turn out to be.  

 

Again you’ll have to ask Gilleon. He must think he has an ace up his sleeve considering he hasn’t withdrawn the civil suit. Or more likely he’s an idiot who doesn’t know when to quit. 

 

Why would he have held damning evidence "up his sleeve" instead of giving it to the DA?  that makes zero sense.

 

You were convinced he was innocent immediately doc--way before the recent DA released evidence.  Why would a jury think otherwise.

 

9 hours ago, SinceThe70s said:

 

Is it possible that there was a team(s) that thought he was the best punter in the draft but either didn't want to expend a draft pick on a punter or felt their punter was better than the best punter in the draft? Seems to me that a more accurate statement would be along the lines that at least two teams did not think he was the best punter in the draft.

 

Yes teams that wanted to upgrade at punter

 

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I said nothing about evidence the plaintiff's lawyer has

 

But said lawyer (who IMO is a piece of work) pointed out correctly that the DA, and the released interview, only touched on a portion of the evidence.

Yes, a criminal charge would make a civil case more solid, but the absence of a criminal charge doesn't mean absence of evidence that would support a civil verdict.

 

Again, I'm not saying there is such evidence, I'm not saying the civil suit has merit, I'm just saying being cleared of a possible criminal charge does not mean Araiza's legal journey is over, as long as a civil suit is still pending.

 

The legal journey continues as long as neither side wishes to settle, of course.  

 

Civil or criminal, the jury will be asked to decide whether he raped her.  They won't really be splitting the hair of "beyond a reasonable doubt" vs "by the preponderance of evidence".  If the plaintiff had such evidence that would convince a jury "yeah, I think he did it", he would have produced it already--if only to influence the potential jury pool by this point.

 

 

[4merper4mer]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

The thing is that no matter the outcome the civil suit the NFL wouldn't be able to punish him anyways since it happened before the draft.  I'm thinking more long term as this case is ripe for the current political blue state/red state discourse that will only make him more polarizing reducing the likelihood of someone signing him.  That's why I think he should lay low as possible and especially not give interviews with people like Tomi Lahren.

To be clear I’m of the opinion that people have been jumping to too many conclusions based on press reports for a long time now.  It started right away, hit a crescendo when the hack named Tim Graham tried to corner Beane with a “direct quote” from Araiza that was nothing of the sort and continues now.  I’ve read many places that Araiza has been exonerated by the DA but that is simply not true.  The DA said there will not be charges unless something new comes to light.  The details of the meeting reported beyond that do not come from the DA, they come from defendant’s lawyers and a little from the plaintiff’s lawyer.  We need to have higher analytical standards than Tim Graham which should be really easy.

 

With that said Matt Araiza should decide whether or not he should lay low and if not, he should decide with whom he chooses to interview.  The NFL bending over to what it perceives as red/blue or whatever other metric it is measured against should have no bearing on that.  He will never be able to control it.  And some people don’t like Tomi Lahren so she should be shunned too?  Maybe he should go on with Samantha Guthrie so she can treat him like she did that 15 year old kid she told “standing there” was aggressive.  This walking on eggshells to appease the whimsical perceptions about people who generate mob mentality is unhealthy.  He should do what he thinks is right.  It’s called America, not Afraidica.

[Doc]

12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why would he have held damning evidence "up his sleeve" instead of giving it to the DA?  that makes zero sense.

 

You were convinced he was innocent immediately doc--way before the recent DA released evidence.  Why would a jury think otherwise.

 

Maybe he's hoping there are jurors like you who believed he was guilty before any evidence came out, and who still may have doubt? 

Edited May 22, 2023 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Maybe he's hoping there are jurors like you who believed he was guilty before any evidence came out, and who still may have doubt? 

 

that was before he was “cleared” doc. Doesn’t that change everything? What’s left for doubt? 
 

why are you suddenly so shaky about the thought of him before a jury.  Yiu had them acquitting him months ago.  This is very strange…

[Doc]

11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

that was before he was “cleared” doc. Doesn’t that change everything? What’s left for doubt? 
 

why are you suddenly so shaky about the thought of him before a jury.  Yiu had them acquitting him months ago.  This is very strange…

 

"Suddenly shaky?"  LOL!  I've been rock steady with my prediction that he would be exonerated ever since I heard she claimed to have told him she was 17.  I just didn't know how much evidence there would be against her, to probably even sink her case against the other guys.

 

No WEO, you're the only one who's shaky.  No doubt you're holding out hope there's something against him that Gilleon has.  But his case is a loser mostly because his client is one.  He just has to keep up the charade.  How long do you?

Edited May 22, 2023 by Doc

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

"Suddenly shaky?"  LOL!  I've been rock steady with my prediction that he would be exonerated ever since I heard she claimed to have told him she was 17.  I just didn't know how much evidence there would be against her, to probably even sink her case against the other guys.

 

No WEO, you're the only one who's shaky.  No doubt you're holding out hope there's something against him that Gilleon has.  But his case is a loser mostly because his client is one.

No I’m confident the plaintiffs lawyer doesn’t have anything the DA didn’t have, which is why I think if a team was interested, they should/would bring him in.

 

You on the other hand clearly think he could lose a civil trial.  Therefore your confidence in this matter is lower than mine in that regard.  So, you’re “shaky” at this point.  No other way to say it. 

 

I don’t care if he gets signed or not, loses a case or not.  He’s a Punter..  Most are a dime a dozen.  The most easily replaced position in the NFL. 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

No I’m confident the plaintiffs lawyer doesn’t have anything the DA didn’t have, which is why I think if a team was interested, they should/would bring him in.

 

You on the other hand clearly think he could lose a civil trial.  Therefore your confidence in this matter is lower than mine in that regard.  So, you’re “shaky” at this point.  No other way to say it. 

 

I don’t care if he gets signed or not, loses a case or not.  He’s a Punter..  Most are a dime a dozen.  The most easily replaced position in the NFL. 

 

You asked me why he hasn't been signed and the only explanation I could give was because the civil trial is still ongoing and maybe a team/teams think something could come out there.  I have no doubt he's free and clear.

 

And yes, he's just a punter.  But last time I checked, all 32 teams use one and there aren't 32 good ones in the NFL, much less 50+ including camp legs, and he showed tons of promise last pre-season. 

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[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

You asked me why he hasn't been signed and the only explanation I could give was because the civil trial is still ongoing and maybe a team/teams think something could come out there.  I have no doubt he's free and clear.

 

And yes, he's just a punter.  But last time I checked, all 32 teams use one and there aren't 32 good ones in the NFL, much less 50+ including camp legs, and he showed tons of promise last pre-season. 

 

Why wouldn't they have the same confidence as you then?  What "could come out there"?

 

And in your opinion, a single punt = "tons of promise"?  That's heavy lifting doc...

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why wouldn't they have the same confidence as you then?  What "could come out there"?

 

And in your opinion, a single punt = "tons of promise"?  That's heavy lifting doc...

 

Beats "he was the 3rd punter taken so he sucks" as the reason why he's not signed.  Talk about heavy lifting.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Beats "he was the 3rd punter taken so he sucks" as the reason why he's not signed.  Talk about heavy lifting.

I didn’t say that