Beane: “working on at least 2 veteran UFA’s”

[TheBeaneBandit]

15 hours ago, Jerboski said:

Hope we snag one of 

Ingram, Houston, Clark, Yannick 

 

get one of them please 

This would also allow Miller to ease back slowly and be at full strength for the stretch run. Ok, I'll stop making sense now.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Clark and Ngakoue are age 27/28, so I’d prefer one of them to the age 34 Ingram and Houston. But I’ll take any of them. 

[Warriorspikes51]

30 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Clark and Ngakoue are age 27/28, so I’d prefer one of them to the age 34 Ingram and Houston. But I’ll take any of them. 

Ingram & Ngakoue. Please?!?  Trade Basham to NYG for a 6th

 

Von

Rousseau

Ingram

Ngakoue

Shaq

AJ

 

yes yes yes

Edited May 3, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[JohnBonhamRocks]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Ingram & Ngakoue. Please?!?  Trade Basham to NYG for a 6th

 

Von

Rousseau

Ingram

Ngakoue

Shaq

AJ

 

yes yes yes

Fine with shipping out Basham, but I’d be surprised if we land 2 of the top vet DEs. 

[BillsFanForever19]

19 hours ago, Jerboski said:

Hope we snag one of 

Ingram, Houston, Clark, Yannick 

 

get one of them please 

 

Clark is a retched human being. Not a guy they'd bring into the locker room. 

 

Yannick (and Floyd) are the top tier of the available DE list. They'll be the first to be signed and will more than likely start for someone and be paid heftier than we're looking to pay.

 

If we grab a guy, it's going to be who's left when the logjam gets settled and there's an option looking to settle for what we want to pay and the situational role we have to offer. Maybe that will be Ingram. But more likely a Houston, Quinn, Clowney, or Dunlap.

Edited May 3, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[BillsFanForever19]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Ingram & Ngakoue. Please?!?  Trade Basham to NYG for a 6th

 

Von

Rousseau

Ingram

Ngakoue

Shaq

AJ

 

yes yes yes

 

My dude - you are once again getting Madden level unrealistic. If we're able to get one guy from the list, that's huge. And I'm not convinced we'll even do that. But I'd be here for it.

 

We don't keep 6 DE's on the 53. It's 5 max. And as I said above, Ngakoue will be one the first signed DE's and way more likely than not, to be a starter for someone. If we do this, it's going to be when the dust settles on the position and someone's willing to settle for the little we can pay and a situational non-starting role. 

 

There is zero chance we a.) Would pay the cost of an Ngakoue or Ingram to be our 4th DE, after bringing in the other to go along with Von and Rousseau (not to mention having already signed Shaq) and b.) That Ngakoue or Ingram would sign here to be the 4th Pass Rusher under Von, Rousseau, and either Ingram or Ngakoue. Both of those guys can start on other teams and would be accepting, at worst, the 3rd role for someone.

 

I think getting one of them is unrealistic as they represent 2 of the top 4 available DE's I have in Tier 1. As I said above, I think either Houston, Quinn, Clowney, or Dunlap is more in line with a guy that will have to settle for the minimal amount of money we'd offer and the situational pass rush role we'd have for them. Getting Ingram alone would be a shocking massive win. Getting both of them is a fantasy.

Edited May 3, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[frostbitmic]

Are these guys all going to work for food ?

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Are these guys all going to work for food ?

 

Not just food: Room & Board.   They can live at the stadium like Ochocinco.  

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[DJB]

3 hours ago, frostbitmic said:

Are these guys all going to work for food ?

I guess they’d be used to that if they played on the Cardinals last year 

[Warriorspikes51]

20 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Fine with shipping out Basham, but I’d be surprised if we land 2 of the top vet DEs. 

 

If they remain unsigned for a bit longer, it would be possible. But, yes likely only 1....which would still be very helpful

[Warriorspikes51]

https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/free-agents-buffalo-bills-target-brandon-beane/
 

 

Ngakoue Age: 28

Ngakoue had previously been coveted by folks in Buffalo. He fits the 4-3 defensive end mold for the Bills and could be an intriguing option across from Von Miller rushing the passer. Ngakoue against the run is another story.

 

 

Cunningham Age: 28

At 6-foot-3, Cunningham could potentially factor in replacing the size the Bills lost in Edmunds departing. Cunningham has previously led the NFL in tackles (2020) and since 2018 has 48 tackles at the line of scrimmage or loss. That’s the most among anyone in the NFL.

[MasterStrategist]

6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

https://billswire.usatoday.com/lists/free-agents-buffalo-bills-target-brandon-beane/
 

 

Ngakoue Age: 28

Ngakoue had previously been coveted by folks in Buffalo. He fits the 4-3 defensive end mold for the Bills and could be an intriguing option across from Von Miller rushing the passer. Ngakoue against the run is another story.

 

 

Cunningham Age: 28

At 6-foot-3, Cunningham could potentially factor in replacing the size the Bills lost in Edmunds departing. Cunningham has previously led the NFL in tackles (2020) and since 2018 has 48 tackles at the line of scrimmage or loss. That’s the most among anyone in the NFL.

It's fun to think about, but in reality these are "break glass"/emergency type signings.  

 

We have basically zero cap room, unless Beane restructures OR extends a few contracts (ie: Ed) with a material savings to this year's cap.  Or these players accept a very low offer, it's possible I guess, but these guys are likely waiting for a key injury and someone to pay closer to their asking price.  

 

Cap aside, just analyzing the roster and Beanes comments:

1. DE: maybe a 50/50 shot we sign someone, best option would be a pass rushing specialist/non-starter,  cant see us signing a fringe starter.  Melvin Ingram would come to mind.  We are keeping 5 DEs tops, AJE improved LY but still inconsistent.  Is Ingram worth it over AJE?   I'd say Beane keeps the younger player, on a cheaper deal

 

2. MLB: no chance we're signing anyone else before camp, unless a freak injury.  Slight chance prior to draft, but we now have Dodson, Bernard, Spector and Williams competing.  Not to mention Klein is an emergency fall back option.  Like it or not, we're counting on someone to step up this year

[Success]

I think we signed the guys he was referring to.

 

I have no idea how we'd sign anyone else impactful at this point. I'm not a cap guy - but we have to be right up against it.

 

[Warriorspikes51]

35 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

It's fun to think about, but in reality these are "break glass"/emergency type signings.  

 

We have basically zero cap room, unless Beane restructures OR extends a few contracts (ie: Ed) with a material savings to this year's cap.  Or these players accept a very low offer, it's possible I guess, but these guys are likely waiting for a key injury and someone to pay closer to their asking price.  

 

Cap aside, just analyzing the roster and Beanes comments:

1. DE: maybe a 50/50 shot we sign someone, best option would be a pass rushing specialist/non-starter,  cant see us signing a fringe starter.  Melvin Ingram would come to mind.  We are keeping 5 DEs tops, AJE improved LY but still inconsistent.  Is Ingram worth it over AJE?   I'd say Beane keeps the younger player, on a cheaper deal

 

2. MLB: no chance we're signing anyone else before camp, unless a freak injury.  Slight chance prior to draft, but we now have Dodson, Bernard, Spector and Williams competing.  Not to mention Klein is an emergency fall back option.  Like it or not, we're counting on someone to step up this year

 

Melvin Ingram is 25x times the player AJE is.  Ingram lives in the backfield, and while he doesn't get as many sacks as other higher tier Edge guys....he wrecks so many plays. Especially against the Bills. He's a complete nightmare

[Dr. Who]

18 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Melvin Ingram is 25x times the player AJE is.  Ingram lives in the backfield, and while he doesn't get as many sacks as other higher tier Edge guys....he wrecks so many plays. Especially against the Bills. He's a complete nightmare

Ingram would be a good signing. I also still think it's possible they extend Ed Oliver which will disappoint some folks, but I suspect they like him more than many surmise. That would open up the funds to get an edge specialist. 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Dr. Who

[TOboy]

20 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Melvin Ingram is 25x times the player AJE is.  Ingram lives in the backfield, and while he doesn't get as many sacks as other higher tier Edge guys....he wrecks so many plays. Especially against the Bills. He's a complete nightmare

AJ had slightly more sacks than Ingram last year and has more sacks than Ingram since entering the league. He’s younger and on the way up vs Ingram who is now past his prime. 
 

AJ has been a solid end in a rotational role. Ingram was a star, but that doesn’t make him the better option at this time.

[Warriorspikes51]

32 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Ingram would be a good signing. I also still think it's possible they extend Ed Oliver which will disappoint some folks, but I suspect they like him more than many surmise. That would open up the funds to get an edge specialist. 

 

Depends what kind of $ they could extend him for. I'm not a big fan of his 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Depends what kind of $ they could extend him for. I'm not a big fan of his 

I understand. I am ambivalent myself, but if you are looking for where they could find money, that is one of the places and I am speculating they have a higher opinion of Oliver than most fans.

[Warriorspikes51]

35 minutes ago, TOboy said:

AJ had slightly more sacks than Ingram last year and has more sacks than Ingram since entering the league. He’s younger and on the way up vs Ingram who is now past his prime. 
 

AJ has been a solid end in a rotational role. Ingram was a star, but that doesn’t make him the better option at this time.

 

I'd rather not see Ingram sign with a competitor and wreck a game this season or in the playoffs

 

Although, I don't think the Bills will sign him.  Ngakoue, Floyd, Houston are more likely to me 

Edited May 4, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[GreggTX]

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

The plan is the same one they have been talking about for awhile.
 

LB they will have a competition for the spot with guys in house. Beane says he thinks they deserve a shot. 
 

RT they believe they have a good player in Brown who was hurt last year. I suppose they could add depth, but aren’t moving on from Brown at this time. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

36 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

 

31 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

The plan is the same one they have been talking about for awhile.
 

LB they will have a competition for the spot with guys in house. Beane says he thinks they deserve a shot. 
 

RT they believe they have a good player in Brown who was hurt last year. I suppose they could add depth, but aren’t moving on from Brown at this time. 

Apparently, their needs aren't the same as you believe they are as Mr Eps stated

[JohnBonhamRocks]

FWIW, we also have Quessenbery and Doyle at OT

[Kmart128]

1 hour ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

Have you heard the press conferences... is plan is to have Dodson, Benard, Spector, and Klein to compete for the job. Maybe even Dorian if he picks up the scheme early.

 

RT is gonna be Spencer Brown... it was never even a question going into the offseason. Fans thought he could be replaced but not the front office

[Dunkirk Donski]

17 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

FWIW, we also have Quessenbery and Doyle at OT

That’s not worth much 

[hondo in seattle]

18 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

Have you heard the press conferences... is plan is to have Dodson, Benard, Spector, and Klein to compete for the job. Maybe even Dorian if he picks up the scheme early.

 

RT is gonna be Spencer Brown... it was never even a question going into the offseason. Fans thought he could be replaced but not the front office

 

You rarely get everything you want for Christmas.  Like a lot of fans, I wanted a vet Tackle and vet MLB added to the roster along with a bunch of other positions on my list.   But I always knew Mom and Dad had a limited budget.  And, I gotta say, I'm happy with what we ended up with.  Beane did way more than I expected.  

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

Beane McDermott might not see either of those positions as a need.  He seems to like who they have in the building already.  We’ll see how that works out.

[Warriorspikes51]

 

offer him more than a 1 year deal? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

offer him more than a 1 year deal? 

Get him signed long-term! Not only helps now but insurance when we cut Von in 2 years.

[Warriorspikes51]

that is an impressive list. Find a way to add him

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Get him signed long-term! Not only helps now but insurance when we cut Von in 2 years.

3 year 24 mil and backload it. But, Von is a freak and I expect him to play out his contract

Edited May 5, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Richard Noggin]

Is it true that Ngakoue's one of the worst rated run defenders at his position? Could have something to do with his free agency market to date. He might be a specialist who wants to get paid like a starter?

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Richard Noggin said:

Is it true that Ngakoue's one of the worst rated run defenders at his position? Could have something to do with his free agency market to date. He might be a specialist who wants to get paid like a starter?

yes he’s not good against the run.  In our rotation playing 3rd down he’d be great

[Richard Noggin]

11 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

yes he’s not good against the run.  In our rotation playing 3rd down he’d be great

 

Which has me wondering if he's willing to get paid like a subpackage, pass-rush specialist?

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Which has me wondering if he's willing to get paid like a subpackage, pass-rush specialist?

he may not have a choice. Personally, I’d make him a generous offer in a 3 year deal. Maybe he’s tired of moving from team to team? In his prime and on an elite list of edge players as seen above.
 

He apparently does a ton of work in the community. 
 

Him opposite Von on 3rd downs would be scary for QBs

 

I’m not concerned about his poor run defense because Rousseau, Shaq and Von are all good against the run
 

if I recall, he’s been a player we had interest in before. Could this be another case of Beane pursing a player for years and finally landing them?

Edited May 5, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, GreggTX said:

You'd think they'd be signing a RT and ILB. They've done absolutely nothing about either of our 2 biggest needs yet. Is there a plan?

Go shopping in the middle of the season if it’s still a need is my guess.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

27 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

that is an impressive list. Find a way to add him

 

 

 

3 year 24 mil and backload it. But, Von is a freak and I expect him to play out his contract

It’s definitely possible Von plays it out but will he be worth 20+ million in 2-3 years? Hard to say. 
 

Probably need to double that contract for Yannick. He’llprobably sign something in the 1 year up to $15 million range. Long-term probably 3 years $50 million.

 

Edited May 5, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s definitely possible Von plays it out but will he be worth 20+ million in 2-3 years? Hard to say. 
 

 

Cap is jumping up significantly over the next 3 years and his deal could always be redone again

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s definitely possible Von plays it out but will he be worth 20+ million in 2-3 years? Hard to say. 
 

Probably need to double that contract for Yannick. He’llprobably sign something in the 1 year up to $15 million range. Long-term probably 3 years $50 million.

 

may not be offered that much due to his lack of run defense

 

I will say, after researching him and the kind of guy he is, I’d love to have him and I’m sure he’d be a great culture fit here

[BillsFanForever19]

33 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

he may not have a choice. Personally, I’d make him a generous offer in a 3 year deal. Maybe he’s tired of moving from team to team? In his prime and on an elite list of edge players as seen above.
 

He apparently does a ton of work in the community. 
 

Him opposite Von on 3rd downs would be scary for QBs

 

I’m not concerned about his poor run defense because Rousseau, Shaq and Von are all good against the run
 

if I recall, he’s been a player we had interest in before. Could this be another case of Beane pursing a player for years and finally landing them?

 

Everything you've said about Yannick is true. He IS still an Elite Pass Rusher. He's the #1 Pass Rusher still available. He's the #1 Free Agent available in the NFL of ALL positions, according to Pro Football Talk's Top 100 Free Agents.

 

Which means he's going to start somewhere. He's not still on the market because there's no one who wants him. He's still on the market because there's been a log jam of available DE's asking for a decent payday.

 

DE needy teams could afford to wait to see how the Draft played out for them because there were so many available. Now that it's over, whomever didn't adequately address the position and walk away with a starter will now be returning to the logjam list and he's going to be the first one starter needy teams will want.

 

Hell, there's probably teams who have Starters in place that would sign him as an upgrade over a Starter they have, simply because they can and their starters are weaker than ours. 

 

I think it's possible we sign one of the 8 big name Pass Rushers left. But Ngakoue will have an opportunity to start elsewhere. We'll get whomever is left without an opportunity to start when the musical chairs stops and will be happy to take the meager role and meager money we have to offer, simply to play this season.

 

That player is MUCH more likely to be a Houston, Clowney, Quinn, or Dunlap than an Ngakoue, Floyd, Ingram, or Clark.

 

And there's certainly no way Ngakoue signs a long term deal to be a #3 for years to come. Even if he couldn't find a starting job this year (which is highly unlikely to me), he'd want to try and find a starting job next year.

Edited May 5, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Warriorspikes51]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Everything you've said about Yannick is true. He is still an Elite Pass Rusher. He's the #1 Pass Rusher still available.

 

Which means he's going to start somewhere. He's not still on the market because there's no one who wants him. He's still on the market because there's been a log jam of available DE's. 

 

DE needy teams could afford to wait to see how the Draft played out for them because there were so many available. Now that it's over, whomever didn't adequately address the position and walk away with a starter will now be returning to the logjam list and he's going to be the first one starter needy teams will want.

 

Hell, there's probably teams who have Starters in place that would sign him as an upgrade over a Starter they have, simply because they can and their starters are weaker than ours. 

 

I think it's possible we sign one of the 8 big name Pass Rushers left. But Ngakoue will have an opportunity to start elsewhere. We'll get whomever is left without an opportunity to start when the musical chairs stops and will be happy to take the meager role and meager money we'd offer.

 

I'd imagine that's much more likely to be a Houston, Clowney, Quinn, or Dunlap than an Ngakoue, Floyd, Ingram, or Clark.

 

And there's certainly no way Ngakoue signs a long term deal to be a #3 for years to come. Even if he couldn't find a starting job this year (which is highly unlikely to me), he'd want to try and find a starting job next year.

good points, but could we sell him on the idea of rotation where all he has to focus on is the QB and not worry about run defense?  Also, he’d have a real shot at a ring for the first time

Edited May 5, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[BillsFanForever19]

26 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

good points, but could we sell him on the idea of rotation where all he has to focus on is the QB and not worry about run defense? 

 

I mean, I'm not saying it's a TOTAL impossibility that we could get him. I'm just saying it's extremely unlikely, in my opinion.

I don't see how he would sign to be a rotational rusher for us over being a Starter on any other team. It would be a bad career move that his agents would surely advise against.

 

And I just don't see a way that no team in the league isn't going to offer him one of their 2 starting spots on the Edge - something we will not offer. And even in the unlikely event that there wasn't a starting job out there for him, there are surely teams that can offer more money than we can right now.

 

Again, it's not a total impossibility. Maybe Floyd, Ingram, and Clark get scooped up by teams that need Starters first. Maybe the teams left that want him to start are so wretched that he decides he'd rather be rotational for a Contender for less money and less playing time.

 

But yeah, I think that's pretty unlikely. Yannick Ngakoue is the #1 available Free Agent in all of Football. I don't see him having to settle. Much more likely that we'd land a Houston, Clowney, Quinn, or Dunlap. And any of them would be an upgrade over Shaq, Epenesa, or Basham as the #3.

 

That is, if Beane is looking to sign a DE at all. Which with Von on schedule to not miss any time and us having re-signed Shaq, I'm not totally convinced he will.

Edited May 5, 2023 by BillsFanForever19