Does any defender in the NFL have a reputation of being the best defender against Travis Kelce?

[Shaw66]

10 minutes ago, papazoid said:

SAFETIES:

DERWIN JAMES, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS

TYRANN MATHIEU, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

JIMMIE WARD, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

JEREMY CHINN, CAROLINA PANTHERS

DARNELL SAVAGE, GREEN BAY PACKERS

KYLE DUGGER, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

JAYRON KEARSE, DALLAS COWBOYS

 

LINEBACKERS:

 FRED WARNER, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
 DARIUS LEONARD, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
 DEMARIO DAVIS, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
 ERIC KENDRICKS, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

 MATT MILANO, BUFFALO BILLS

I don't even know half of these players, but the Chiefs crushed the 49ers in 2022, and Kelce had 6 receptions for 98 yards.   That extrapolates to a 1600-yard season.  Jimmie Ward had two tackles and zero passes defensed.   

 

I really doubt all of these guys stop Kelce. 

[Shaw66]

6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

this is my view also. He moves like a basketball player finding space in the paint in. Mahommes gets through his first or second read them dumps to him. 
 

 

It’s effective because it’s not predictable like a route tree

Well, I think it's predictable.   I mean, there are only so many places you can run from where the TE lines up.  The problem is that most of the defensive players must be deployed elsewhere in order to defend other threats.   Wideouts can't go left or right, because the sideline is there.  But they have speed, so they threaten you deep, and your safeties have to cheat to help.  Still, the wideout routes are somewhat limited.  If you have a tight end who can run, his routes too are predictable, but there are a lot more of them.  

 

Kelce killed Edmunds a couple of years ago.  It was simple - run into Kelce's area, move Mahomes in the pocket to force Edmunds to slide one way or another, cut Kelce in the opposite direction, BINGO!   It was simple, and it's predictable if you're prepared for it.  Some other defender has to be available to shade to Kelce as he makes his break.   When that happens that defender will get a pick or a near pick, and the Chiefs will have second thoughts about doing that.   That tactic creates a weakness someplace else, but Mahomes has to recognize it, and he has to recognize the NEXT defender who is rotating to cover THAT weakness.   

 

So, I think it's predictable but it isn't easy to defend.  

 

I'm sure McDermott will tell you that you have to mix it up.  Yes, use White on him sometimes.  Double him once in a while.   Disguise defenses.   Throw an occasional defensive wrinkle in there, something you haven't done before.  And, if you're good at changing it up like that, you slow down Mahomes a bit, so it's important to have pass rushers getting home, because Mahomes slowing down doesn't help if he isn't getting tackled or at least hit in the backfield.  

[Dopey]

23 hours ago, TOboy said:

Matt Milano and our elite safeties getting it done! 

 

That Milano has him smothered and covered like Waffle House 🤣

Edit: I love that he’s here. I’m a Milano fan. Kelce is the man right now. 

 

http://Patrick Mahomes GAME-WINNING Touchdown Pass To Travis Kelce! | Bills vs Chiefs Divisional Round - YouTube

 

 

 

 

Edited April 11, 2023 by Dopey

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

What were Kelce's numbers in last years game?

8 catches for 108 yards 

1 hour ago, Just in Atlanta said:

Jimmy Carter in his 70s had a better fastball than this guy. 

Looks familiar

[BillsShredder83]

Far from having an NFL mind but my first move would be to put my DB with the best reputation against him man to man, and tell him to hold the ever loving isht out of him every play. mix in a bunch of double teams with it, and tone down the holding a bit on those plays. then make all the other jag receivers beat you. im sure its been tried but i havent seen it

[Mark Vader]

44 minutes ago, Billl said:

8 catches for 108 yards 

And the Bills won.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Far from having an NFL mind but my first move would be to put my DB with the best reputation against him man to man, and tell him to hold the ever loving isht out of him every play. mix in a bunch of double teams with it, and tone down the holding a bit on those plays. then make all the other jag receivers beat you. im sure its been tried but i havent seen it

Didn’t we put Tre on him before? Their receivers are pedestrian besides him. 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

And the Bills won.

So you think that means they shut Kelce down?  Players can't have good games in losing efforts?

[Warriorspikes51]

draft Dalton Kincaid and let's see for ourselves 😆

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, Billl said:

So you think that means they shut Kelce down?  Players can't have good games in losing efforts?

It means that despite Kelce's big game, the Bills were able to overcome it.

[MJS]

22 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

The best way to slow Kelce down is to harass him all game long . He has to be jammed consistently and covered by multiple players threw out his routes , Usually a athletic LB and a Safety doubling him up. 

Do you have examples of this working?

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

Do you have examples of this working?

Not against Kelce, but BB used to put Talib on great TE’s and it worked pretty well. 
 

The biggest problem I think is the combination of Mahomes’ mobility and Kelce’s wiggle to get open. It’s synergistic. 

[MJS]

8 hours ago, papazoid said:

SAFETIES:

DERWIN JAMES, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS

TYRANN MATHIEU, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

JIMMIE WARD, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

JEREMY CHINN, CAROLINA PANTHERS

DARNELL SAVAGE, GREEN BAY PACKERS

KYLE DUGGER, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

JAYRON KEARSE, DALLAS COWBOYS

 

LINEBACKERS:

 FRED WARNER, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
 DARIUS LEONARD, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
 DEMARIO DAVIS, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
 ERIC KENDRICKS, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

 MATT MILANO, BUFFALO BILLS

Like, none of them have stopped Kelce.

[Chaos]

28 minutes ago, MJS said:

Like, none of them have stopped Kelce.

But they are on a list. On the internet. it must be true. 

[Ya Digg?]

31 minutes ago, MJS said:

Like, none of them have stopped Kelce.

 

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

But they are on a list. On the internet. it must be true. 

And all of the names are capitalized, so I’m pretty sure that means something to 

[freddyjj]

Levi Wallace

[Billl]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Like, none of them have stopped Kelce.

Hell, some of them have never even played against him.

[Mikie2times]

10 hours ago, papazoid said:

SAFETIES:

DERWIN JAMES, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS

TYRANN MATHIEU, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS

JIMMIE WARD, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS

JEREMY CHINN, CAROLINA PANTHERS

DARNELL SAVAGE, GREEN BAY PACKERS

KYLE DUGGER, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

JAYRON KEARSE, DALLAS COWBOYS

 

LINEBACKERS:

 FRED WARNER, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS
 DARIUS LEONARD, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS
 DEMARIO DAVIS, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS
 ERIC KENDRICKS, MINNESOTA VIKINGS

 MATT MILANO, BUFFALO BILLS

 

Pats and the Colts have been the best at defending him since Mahomes became Mahomes

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

On 4/9/2023 at 9:34 PM, aristocrat said:

You out score them. Josh Allen beats him 

I will never understand this line of thinking. Trying to beat the best QB in the league at their own A game on purpose. I can’t agree with anything less. The only way we will ever beat KC in the playoffs is by being different. You aren’t going to beat them at their own game. A shootout with Mahomes….it’s just dumb. I’m sorry. You find a way to be different. Be good at throwing but have balance enough to keep the ball away and make them play a style of game they are not comfortable in. Power run game? Physical line play, sprinkle in what we do well already. We aren’t the Trent Dilfer ravens our QB is excellent but you aren’t better at passing than KC. Definitely playing good defense would be a very good start. You want to play 45-41 games with KC? Their QB is the best in the league…you aren’t winning that game. The last thing you want to do is get into a game with KC where you are trying to out pass them. It’d be like trying to be the Warriors in a 3 point contest. You want to do everything but.

[BobbyC81]

On 4/9/2023 at 6:29 PM, Wizard said:

A baseball...That thing is his Kryptonite!

Regarding this, do these “celebrities” who get asked to throw out the first pitch even try to throw one before going out there and embarrassing themselves?
 

It seems like they may think “I got this!” when some (50 Cent?) may have never thrown a baseball.

[DJB]

Found the solution

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoSspZAgZN8/?igshid=ZjE2NGZiNDQ=

[Dablitzkrieg]

On 4/9/2023 at 10:18 PM, Aussie Joe said:

Bernard gunna be in his face so bad next year,,,

He may be the worst LB in the NFL.  It is gross to think how bad this front 7 is going to be

[Chaos]

19 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I will never understand this line of thinking. Trying to beat the best QB in the league at their own A game on purpose. I can’t agree with anything less. The only way we will ever beat KC in the playoffs is by being different. You aren’t going to beat them at their own game. A shootout with Mahomes….it’s just dumb. I’m sorry. You find a way to be different. Be good at throwing but have balance enough to keep the ball away and make them play a style of game they are not comfortable in. Power run game? Physical line play, sprinkle in what we do well already. We aren’t the Trent Dilfer ravens our QB is excellent but you aren’t better at passing than KC. Definitely playing good defense would be a very good start. You want to play 45-41 games with KC? Their QB is the best in the league…you aren’t winning that game. The last thing you want to do is get into a game with KC where you are trying to out pass them. It’d be like trying to be the Warriors in a 3 point contest. You want to do everything but.

sans 13 seconds, it worked once already. 

[starrymessenger]

Like everybody else, i’ve wondered how to shut Kelce down. With the free release we have so often given him and his expertise in beating zone it seems to me that jamming him to the point that you knock him down (Mel Blount like) could at least throw off his route/timing/synchronicity with PM. Not many DBs could do that but maybe a linebacker who can run with him after he gets up.

[Einstein]

the odd thing with Kelce is you rarely see him make an insane catch. 

 

he's just always open. wide open. every down.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

39 minutes ago, Chaos said:

sans 13 seconds, it worked once already. 

We lost the game though. Because we couldn’t stop them

[90sBills]

43 minutes ago, Chaos said:

sans 13 seconds, it worked once already. 

Bills lost so clearly didn’t work. 🤷‍♂️

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, 90sBills said:

Bills lost so clearly didn’t work. 🤷‍♂️

Which person would you draft on the defensive side of the ball in this draft, that would have prevented McDermott from f'ing up the 13 seconds. After Allen had lead the Bills to a clearly winning margin?

[Sherlock Holmes]

19 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Which person would you draft on the defensive side of the ball in this draft, that would have prevented McDermott from f'ing up the 13 seconds. After Allen had lead the Bills to a clearly winning margin?

Drew Sanders or Jack Campbell

[90sBills]

30 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Which person would you draft on the defensive side of the ball in this draft, that would have prevented McDermott from f'ing up the 13 seconds. After Allen had lead the Bills to a clearly winning margin?

Obviously winning can’t be clear if you lost. In future games with KC maybe committing to an effective running attack that could shorten the game would be more ideal than shooting it out. Limiting Mahomes’ possessions.

[Chaos]

20 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Obviously winning can’t be clear if you lost. In future games with KC maybe committing to an effective running attack that could shorten the game would be more ideal than shooting it out. Limiting Mahomes’ possessions.

you do realize in a game, both teams get the same number of possessions. (barring significant turnover situations)

[LABILLBACKER]

On 4/9/2023 at 6:42 PM, Chaos said:

so far these replies are depressing

Yup....the only thing stopping Kelcie is retirement. 

On 4/9/2023 at 7:18 PM, KzooMike said:

Out of the 14 teams that have played him 3 times or more since 2018 a few stand out 

 

All stats are 2018 or later, minimum 3 games against, playoffs included, 14 qualifying teams, stats are all per game averages

 

Patriots = 3 games, 2nd in Catch %, 1st-Tie in Receptions, 1st in yards, 1st-Tie in TD's

Indy = 3 games, 1st in Catch %, 1st-Tie in Receptions, 6th in yards, 3rd-Tie in TD's

Denver = 10 games, 4th in Catch %, 3rd-Tie in Receptions, 2nd in yards, 6th in TD's 

Buffalo = 5 games, 8th in Catch %, 12th-Tie in Receptions, 10th in yards, 13th in TD's

 

Indy has had a very good defense during this time. Darius Leonard has been an all pro LB nearly the entire time for them. New England is just a good scheme team. Denver has also been very good on defense and has played more man defense than most teams during this time. Kelce also appears to be better against zone than man, ranking 8th in yards per route vs zone and 26th vs man.  

 

 

I would've loved to see Sean tell Tremaine to play him man all game. Just one damn time.

[90sBills]

28 minutes ago, Chaos said:

you do realize in a game, both teams get the same number of possessions. (barring significant turnover situations)

Wow I didn’t realize this. The same number of possessions huh? I must be watching a different game all these years. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

4 hours ago, Chaos said:

Which person would you draft on the defensive side of the ball in this draft, that would have prevented McDermott from f'ing up the 13 seconds. After Allen had lead the Bills to a clearly winning margin?

My #1 thing was get rid of Fraizer. That’s thankfully done…3 years too late but whatever. I’m good with what we have done so far this offseason. I’d like to improve the running game quite a bit and turn into a more sustainable offense in inclement weather. I think our defense will already be better. Addition by subtraction with both Les and Tremane. I’d like to draft a MLB but after today I’d probably rather trade for white.

[US Egg]

Kelce is uncanny, makes it look too easy.

[LyndonvilleBill]

10 hours ago, Chaos said:

Which person would you draft on the defensive side of the ball in this draft, that would have prevented McDermott from f'ing up the 13 seconds. After Allen had lead the Bills to a clearly winning margin?

Personally, I think they already resolved that issue signing Von. Had we had Von and White at the time, I don't think that game has the same results. I also think if we didn't have all of the issues and injuries last year that we did, the season wouldn't have ended the same way. JMO.