What would you trade for Jerry Jeudy?

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm not too interested in Juedy. The WR I want is Dhop. The guy is elite and is a difference maker. 

 

Twitter people are saying Ariz wants a 2nd round pick and something else of value. Not sure what that means.

 

I am really hoping the Bills can pull the trigger and get Dhop. What does everyone else think? 

I'm definitely for it. My two moves (only one could be done obviously) are DHop or D Henry. Either one would take this offense to another level.

[John from Riverside]

15 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

I want to clarify.....when I say the Denver folks woulnd't be interested.....it's not because any of them have some strong opinion about Oliver....he's on the last year of a contract, which dimineshes trade value...and alot (but not all) think Juedy has been hindered by QB play and organizational disfunction....and he has a couple controllable years left.  

 

Oliver isn't a valuable asset to the Broncos (and their fans) considering all this.  I am sure there are a number of ALL teams fans that would be interested in Ed Oliver as a free agent at X dollars on a new contract.....but Oliver as part of a Juedy trade doesn't move the needle.  Denver would want draft picks....not an expiring contract.

I believe Deborah moved on from Shelby Harris, so they have a spot
 

It’s true that they might not feel that Oliver is enough to move for Judy might have to actually sweeten it with an additional draft pick

 

Still might be worth it though

 

I don’t want to get into the situation we had with Tremaine Edmunds where he walked for nothing it’s all about whether or not he is in Buffalo’s plans for the future on the $10 million cap hit  if we’re going to resign him then we keep him if not, we should move him

[Einstein]

I’m flabbergasted at the number of posters willing to give up a 1st round pick for a WR that has shown nothing but averageness thus far in his career.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

I’m flabbergasted at the number of posters willing to give up a 1st round pick for a WR that has shown nothing but averageness thus far in his career.

Two things:

 

1) Shows how poorly the Bills FO has done in giving Allen help that, likely, a good portion of the fanbase would pull the trigger on 27 for Jeudy

 

2) As mentioned above, it’s pick 27 in a weak draft.  Jeudy has WR1 traits, and it’s a crapshoot that someone similar is there when we pick, furthermore.. that we’d even take a WR there. 

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I’m flabbergasted at the number of posters willing to give up a 1st round pick for a WR that has shown nothing but averageness thus far in his career.

The type of fans that would post on an NFL message board in March also pay a lot of attention to the draft and probably had him highly rated coming out of ‘Bama.  

[NewEra]

13 hours ago, Chaos said:

The goal of a number 1 draft pick is to get a five year starter playing under a rookie deal.  Not to get a player for two years who will command full market value of a FA after that.  

this isn’t true.  See Stefon Diggs.  
 

the goal of a 1st rd draft pick is to get a great player that can help you win.

 

Getting a potentially great player on a rookie deal is the greatest benefit of using the 1st rd pick on a player.  
 

but if the players on the board all have big question marks, a team looking for a great player, might be better served using it in a trade. 
 

you can’t say that the goal of a 1st rd pick is the 5 year contract.  It’s not a goal, it’s part of the package that exists-  you get 5 years with every 1st rd pick unless you trade it.

 

 I wonder how the chiefs are feeling about using that #1 pick on Orlando Brown.  They needed a starting LT.  They used a 1st on brown and won a Super Bowl. 2 years….who cares?  Hardware.

 

don’t forget the best franchise in the league…..trading a first round pick for Frank Clark-  needed a pass rusher-  got one!  Got 2 pieces of Hardware.  

 

I wonder how the rams feel about trading forst round picks for Ramsey-  got him for 

3.5 years-  Hardware.

 

just have to trade for the right guy, hope they don’t get hurt and hit on some mid round picks to offset the cap hits

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Chaos]

The market massively shifted for WRs in free agency after that trade.  Also look at the Justin Jefferson side of the trade. Rookie first rounder with five years of play time.  Not every decision is the same. Bills no longer have a young QB who needs veteran support. Trading a first for Jeudy would be a terrible terrible decision. 

[UmbrellaMan]

I’m flabbergasted at how many people are willing to trade a first for Jeudy. This isn’t a pro bowl player we are talking about, but a career underachiever in the pros.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

12 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Why is everyone infatuated with Jeudy???  

 

Jeudy!! Jeudy!! Jeudy!!
 

[NC-billsfan!]

13 hours ago, balln said:

Y’all trippn. Teams don’t trade for non impact players. 
 

He’s a JAG. Mediocre. Has one game a year where he’s disruptive. 
 

dal thanksgiving 

next year . New Orleans where tre tears acl

this year. Det thanksgiving

 

thats It

 

end thread 

Lol, yes they do. Cody Ford? It’s Sunday and I’m relaxing so I’m not gonna make a list. But I agree with your point that teams aren’t looking to trade for JAG with a big salary.

[Beast]

13 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Why is everyone infatuated with Jeudy???  

Haven’t you ever seen the rack on her?

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

I’m kind of back & forth on a 1st or 2nd. Diggs, Jeudy, Davis, and a 2nd year Shakir would be absolutely lethal. But would the line hold up to give Allen the time? Beane does like proven veteran WRs and a late 1st rounder is not always a guarantee to pan out. Buffalo needs more fire power to compete with the likes of KC and Cincy. I guess I would pull the trigger on a 1st if Beane is confident he can get some good lineman later in the draft. 

[LeGOATski]

Same they did for Diggs, #1 pick and sign a new deal

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

The market massively shifted for WRs in free agency after that trade.  Also look at the Justin Jefferson side of the trade. Rookie first rounder with five years of play time.  Not every decision is the same. Bills no longer have a young QB who needs veteran support. Trading a first for Jeudy would be a terrible terrible decision. 

With that statement, you’re saying that trading for Jeudy = the bills won’t win a Super Bowl and that just ridiculous.  Can’t get more ridiculous 

3 hours ago, UmbrellaMan said:

I’m flabbergasted at how many people are willing to trade a first for Jeudy. This isn’t a pro bowl player we are talking about, but a career underachiever in the pros.

A WR that had exactly who throwing to him his first 2 years?  Oh yeah. 
 

a WR that played in a broken offense with the worst HC in history year 3? Oh ueah

 

I’m not saying he’s a super star.  Just that if you’re judging him based on his first 3 years, the overall situation should be brought up.  It’s not like he had Josh Allen throwing to him. 

[Billz4ever]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

With that statement, you’re saying that trading for Jeudy = the bills won’t win a Super Bowl and that just ridiculous.  Can’t get more ridiculous 

A WR that had exactly who throwing to him his first 2 years?  Oh yeah. 
 

a WR that played in a broken offense with the worst HC in history year 3? Oh ueah

 

I’m not saying he’s a super star.  Just that if you’re judging him based on his first 3 years, the overall situation should be brought up.  It’s not like he had Josh Allen throwing to him. 

I think Jeudy is a pretty good receiver.  My only concern with him is his durability.  He seems kind of injury prone to me.  He's missed 9 games over the last 2 seasons.

[3rdand12]

39 minutes ago, NewEra said:

With that statement, you’re saying that trading for Jeudy = the bills won’t win a Super Bowl and that just ridiculous.  Can’t get more ridiculous 

A WR that had exactly who throwing to him his first 2 years?  Oh yeah. 
 

a WR that played in a broken offense with the worst HC in history year 3? Oh ueah

 

I’m not saying he’s a super star.  Just that if you’re judging him based on his first 3 years, the overall situation should be brought up.  It’s not like he had Josh Allen throwing to him. 

context matters 

 Allen needs a guy opposite Diggs

 Diggs needs a guy opposite side running full routes as well.

But Bills HAVE to give Allen time and good play calling or the investment is moot.
I am for bringing in Jerry J. Trade some picks get their second or third back for our first ?
 Contract is important.

 

Who is/will be at 27 that screams pick me ?

Edited March 18, 2023 by 3rdand12

[NewEra]

I’d trade a 6th for Jerry Hughes!

[3rdand12]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’d trade a 6th for Jerry Hughes!

I missed Jerry Hughes , to be honest

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

context matters 

 Allen needs a guy opposite Diggs

 Diggs needs a guy opposite side running full routes as well.

But Bills HAVE to give Allen time and good play calling or the investment is moot.
I am for bringing in Jerry J. Trade some picks get their second or third back for our first ?
 Contract is important.

 

Who is/will be at 27 that screams pick me ?

WR-  I don’t think the top 3 WRs will be available (addison, Johnston, jsn). If one is, they should be the pick.  Is Zay Flowers worth 27?  I think that’ll be the biggest question.  I’m torn….but I’d rather trade down.

 

MLB-  Campbell and Simpson both solid prospects- I don’t think either worth 27 in most drafts and I’d prefer not to draft a MLB rd 1-  sample is intriguing based on physicals- but playing MLB in our scheme doesn’t seem like a fit.  I’d rather trade down.  

 

OT- The more I watch and read, the more I think Darnell Wright is the best pick-  but I don’t think we’re going to pick a RT @ 27.  They love and believe in Spencer Brown.  I think they’ll bring in someone to be the swing tackle.  That guy will compete with Brown for RT1 but will likely be the backup and we’ll be stuck with Brown @ RT.  Ugh.  But thinking positively, I’d be ok with wright, Jones, Jones and harrison- ideal would be to trade down and get one of them.  
 

Pass rusher-  we could use one-  Von Miller would be the ideal guy to mentor Nolan smith.  He has all the athleticism- just needs to work on pass rush moves.  Von can teach him. If he’s the pick, so be it.  I think he can be special with the right cultivation.  Those that throw up in their mouths thinking about drafting a pass rusher in rd 1-  I threw up in my mouth a bit too, but I do like the player, but we’re probably better served going O and taking a pass rusher later on-  the draft has a bunch of project pass rushers that can be coached up.  
 

RB- if bijan is there, I’d take him. He’s the best player and has a skill set that we need.  He won’t be and that’s probably a good thing. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

I missed Jerry Hughes , to be honest

Could’ve used him last year 

[3rdand12]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

WR-  I don’t think the top 3 WRs will be available (addison, Johnston, jsn). If one is, they should be the pick.  Is Zay Flowers worth 27?  I think that’ll be the biggest question.  I’m torn….but I’d rather trade down.

 

MLB-  Campbell and Simpson both solid prospects- I don’t think either worth 27 in most drafts and I’d prefer not to draft a MLB rd 1-  sample is intriguing based on physicals- but playing MLB in our scheme doesn’t seem like a fit.  I’d rather trade down.  

 

OT- The more I watch and read, the more I think Darnell Wright is the best pick-  but I don’t think we’re going to pick a RT @ 27.  They love and believe in Spencer Brown.  I think they’ll bring in someone to be the swing tackle.  That guy will compete with Brown for RT1 but will likely be the backup and we’ll be stuck with Brown @ RT.  Ugh.  But thinking positively, I’d be ok with wright, Jones, Jones and harrison- ideal would be to trade down and get one of them.  
 

Pass rusher-  we could use one-  Von Miller would be the ideal guy to mentor Nolan smith.  He has all the athleticism- just needs to work on pass rush moves.  Von can teach him. If he’s the pick, so be it.  I think he can be special with the right cultivation.  Those that throw up in their mouths thinking about drafting a pass rusher in rd 1-  I threw up in my mouth a bit too, but I do like the player, but we’re probably better served going O and taking a pass rusher later on-  the draft has a bunch of project pass rushers that can be coached up.  
 

RB- if bijan is there, I’d take him. He’s the best player and has a skill set that we need.  He won’t be and that’s probably a good thing. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Could’ve used him last year 

Very reasoned perspective.

 Excepting Bijan.

 But i am not going to argue against it

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, UmbrellaMan said:

This isn’t a pro bowl player we are talking about, but a career underachiever in the pros.

 

No 1st round WR we get will be a pro bowl player, yet. None of them will have achieved anything in the pros. Any 1st round WR we would draft would be because we like their upside to become that caliber of player. That's why I support trading for Jeudy. He still has tremendous upside and even right now he is better than Gabe Davis.

 

He's just now entering his age 24 season and his most recent season was his best yet. He played in a moribund offensive scheme with one of the worst starting QBs in the league and he drew #1 WR coverage. He missed 2 games. All of that going against him and he still collected 972 receiving yards and 6 TDs.

 

I posted this highlight video in the other Jerry Jeudy thread:

 

 

Yeah I know it's a highlight video, it doesn't tell the whole story. But there are several plays in there that no one currently on our roster could make. He has a true #2 skillset with #1 upside. That's exactly the kind of WR you take at the bottom of the 1st round.

 

Plus he only costs $4.8 million against the cap this year and would likely cost about $13 million in 2024 once we pick up his 5th year option.

 

The same way you're flabbergasted anyone would want to trade a 1st for him, I'm flabbergasted anyone wouldn't. I felt the same way about the Stefon Diggs trade in 2020. A no-brainer. This would be the lower floor/higher ceiling version of that trade.

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Very reasoned perspective.

 Excepting Bijan.

 But i am not going to argue against it

Yeah…I don’t really want Bijan either, I just think he would be the best player on the board by far. I wouldn’t take him over the top 3 WRs fwiw.  He’s a playmaker with a skill set that we’re missing.  Surrounding Josh with guys that can take some pressure off of him is the key.  I think he can do that more effectively than a Zay Flowers would.  I’d rather have Darnell Wright too…. But I just don’t think Beane sees RT as the hole that most of us do.  

[machine gun kelly]

On 3/17/2023 at 11:21 PM, WideNine said:

Genny screamers.  That’s a bad memory.  I used to like Genny Light, but then again I was a poor high school kid from Frannies.

 

We didn’t have the $ for Labatts or OV.  You remember OV, add an L and an E, and you have Love OV.

 

Children, that was the OV commercial from the early 80’s.

Edited March 19, 2023 by machine gun kelly

[Brand J]

Maybe we could trade a 4th for the Slant King

 

😄

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

I missed Jerry Hughes , to be honest

9 sacks and a pick last year. Would’ve really came in handy after Von Miller went down. 

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah…I don’t really want Bijan either, I just think he would be the best player on the board by far. I wouldn’t take him over the top 3 WRs fwiw.  He’s a playmaker with a skill set that we’re missing.  Surrounding Josh with guys that can take some pressure off of him is the key.  I think he can do that more effectively than a Zay Flowers would.  I’d rather have Darnell Wright too…. But I just don’t think Beane sees RT as the hole that most of us do.  

No doubt about Bijan !

39 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

9 sacks and a pick last year. Would’ve really came in handy after Von Miller went down. 

and before.
we picked up Mario Addison I think. who was here for a minute or two

[Jay_Fixit]

#27 without even thinking about it.

[Einstein]

7 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

The type of fans that would post on an NFL message board in March also pay a lot of attention to the draft and probably had him highly rated coming out of ‘Bama.  

Probably. But now we have real NFL data. We dont need to rely on draft reports anymore.

[papazoid]

we pick (59th overall) in the 2nd round

 

KC used the 63rd pick to draft All Pro & pro bowl center Creed Humphrey....just sayin......we need OL

 

this is juedy's last year of his rookie deal....he's gonna wanna get paid....his 5th year option is $13 mil.......that 59th pick is $1.5/mil for 4 years

 

juedy is ranked 24th best WR by espn analytics....which is pretty good and better than most have em

 

if i'm the bills, the most i give up is a 3rd....which aint getting it done

 

we need to hit on that $1.5 mil player

[Chaos]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

With that statement, you’re saying that trading for Jeudy = the bills won’t win a Super Bowl

With this statement you are saying Jeudy is the missing piece to winning a super bowl. Absurd in the extreme. 

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Probably. But now we have real NFL data. We dont need to rely on draft reports anymore.

We have real nfl data with him catching passes from Drew Locke, Teddy B, Brett Rypien, Jeff Driskel and a Hackett led RW.  
 

as if that doesn’t matter…..

[Low Positive]

Just now, Einstein said:

Probably. But now we have real NFL data. We dont need to rely on draft reports anymore.

I agree with this 100%. It’s also why I don’t understand why fans post combine stats for players with NFL film.

[NewEra]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

I agree with this 100%. It’s also why I don’t understand why fans post combine stats for players with NFL film.

Idk, I don’t.  But I know that the Broncos passing game has been terrible and it doesn’t have anything to do with the talent @ WR.  

6 minutes ago, Chaos said:

With this statement you are saying Jeudy is the missing piece to winning a super bowl. Absurd in the extreme. 

No….I’m saying he could be. I don’t pretend to know the future like you do

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

We have real nfl data with him catching passes from Drew Locke, Teddy B, Brett Rypien, Jeff Driskel and a Hackett led RW.  
 

as if that doesn’t matter…..

 

Good players rise to the top regardless. Lee Evans put up good numbers even with JP Losman.

 

There is a reason why one of the greatest offensive minds in the NFL is open to trading him. And it’s not because he’s super good but QB is holding him back.

[Einstein]

Just checked out the Broncos forum and in particular a thread titled “What is everyone’s thoughts on Jerry Jeudy?” It’s from this season, so they’ve been watching him for 2.5 seasons at the point the thread was written.

 

The most liked comment was: “Runs a beautiful route, but can’t catch the ball.”

 

Another poster replied: “…Wilson’s been awful, but that doesn’t excuse the judges inability to catch any balls in traffic…”

 

To which another poster said: “Yep, anytime a defender is within arms length he drops it”.

 

Another poster chimes in: “The drops are one thing but he can figure it out. What irritates me is how he never makes plays on the ball…”

 

Another poster quips: “Beautiful routes. Butterfull hands.”

 

As the avalanche of negative reports raged on, one poster says: “Believed his own hype, will never live up to it.”

 

Another says: “Actually worried he’s a bust with consistent drops and overall contribution to the offense.”

 

The second to last post I read said: “should be traded before the league finds out how overrated he is”

 

All is not lost though. One positive poster replies: “…He’s the type of player that will head to somewhere like Pittsburgh or Buffalo where the coach knows how to get the most out of him and will be very successful.”

 

YIKES!

 

link

 

Edit: the rest of the comments get even worse:

 

”He’s a bust”

 

”It’s been 3 years. He’s a first round pick. He’s a bust.”

 

”Trade him to Green Bay please”

 

”He’s a bust. That might sound harsh but on a good team he’s probably WR3 or worse.”

 

“Trade him and see what we can get for him”

 

 

[nosejob]

3 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

#27 without even thinking about it.

Article on Yahoo now says 1st rd. pick or high 2nd and a player. 27 is fine by me.

[Jay_Fixit]

3 hours ago, papazoid said:

we pick (59th overall) in the 2nd round

 

KC used the 63rd pick to draft All Pro & pro bowl center Creed Humphrey....just sayin......we need OL

 

this is juedy's last year of his rookie deal....he's gonna wanna get paid....his 5th year option is $13 mil.......that 59th pick is $1.5/mil for 4 years

 

juedy is ranked 24th best WR by espn analytics....which is pretty good and better than most have em

 

if i'm the bills, the most i give up is a 3rd....which aint getting it done

 

we need to hit on that $1.5 mil player

The question was what would YOU trade for Jerry Jeudy. And you rambled on about some other things nobody cares about.

 

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

 

 McKenzie has had more receiving tds over the last 3 years than Jeudy has had(10 vs 9) on less than half the targets(125 vs 269). 😳 

 

 

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Just checked out the Broncos forum and in particular a thread titled “What is everyone’s thoughts on Jerry Jeudy?” It’s from this season, so they’ve been watching him for 2.5 seasons at the point the thread was written.

 

The most liked comment was: “Runs a beautiful route, but can’t catch the ball.”

 

Another poster replied: “…Wilson’s been awful, but that doesn’t excuse the judges inability to catch any balls in traffic…”

 

To which another poster said: “Yep, anytime a defender is within arms length he drops it”.

 

Another poster chimes in: “The drops are one thing but he can figure it out. What irritates me is how he never makes plays on the ball…”

 

Another poster quips: “Beautiful routes. Butterfull hands.”

 

As the avalanche of negative reports raged on, one poster says: “Believed his own hype, will never live up to it.”

 

Another says: “Actually worried he’s a bust with consistent drops and overall contribution to the offense.”

 

The second to last post I read said: “should be traded before the league finds out how overrated he is”

 

All is not lost though. One positive poster replies: “…He’s the type of player that will head to somewhere like Pittsburgh or Buffalo where the coach knows how to get the most out of him and will be very successful.”

 

YIKES!

 

link

 

Edit: the rest of the comments get even worse:

 

”He’s a bust”

 

”It’s been 3 years. He’s a first round pick. He’s a bust.”

 

”Trade him to Green Bay please”

 

”He’s a bust. That might sound harsh but on a good team he’s probably WR3 or worse.”

 

“Trade him and see what we can get for him”

 

 

I don't know how representative these fan comments are. Haven't bothered to do it but if their board is anything like ours I wouldn't be surprised if one also found positive feedback. Of course fans are going to jump up and down when a WR experiences drops, and given a 7.6% drop rate who could blame them. Jeudy's overall numbers were greatly affected by one game (Chargers I think) which he dropped like five passes (12 for the year). Now of course that's awful in itself and is no defence of Jeudy, However anybody can have a bad outing. Demarius Thomas once caught only one of his 13 targets. Stuff happens. Two other things to consider are poor ball placement and throwing into coverage by the lousy QBs (even if Jeudy got his hands on it) and the fact that he's a YAC guy and some of his concentration lapses reflect a lack of patience in thinking ahead before the ball has been secured. 
What that means is that there are some things he needs to work on (like lots of good pros) but they don't prevent him from being a talented receiver and a very desirable asset. 

 

7 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 McKenzie has had more receiving tds over the last 3 years than Jeudy has had(10 vs 9) on less than half the targets(125 vs 269). 😳 

 

 

McKenzie had Josh Allen.

Edited March 19, 2023 by starrymessenger

[Einstein]

17 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

I don't know how representative these fan comments are. Haven't bothered to do it but if their board is anything like ours I wouldn't be surprised if one also found positive feedback

I included one of the very few positive comments about him in that post you quoted. I also included the link to the forum so you can see for yourself.