What’s your offer for WR Jerry Jeudy?

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Which is a very important component of Jeudy's value.   He's inexpensive.

 

And there is also the concern that Hopkins is in permanent decline and not just the victim of misfortune the past two seasons.   We just witnessed AJ Green and Julio Jones fall down similarly around age 30......assumed they could bounce back because of how great they had been.......and yet they did not.   Same concern with OBJ........but, of course, OBJ doesn't require draft pick compensation.    

 

Time is on Jeudy's side.    

  

Hopkins did not have a down year, he looked as good as ever this year.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Hopkins did not have a down year, he looked as good as ever this year.

First two games back, 22 catches, 262 yards and a TD.

[Dan in Owego]

What's Hopkins contract look like ?

 

[Buffalo03]

8 minutes ago, Dan in Owego said:

What's Hopkins contract look like ?

 

He has a $30 million dollar cap hit

[John from Riverside]

Would you send Ed oliver for jerry j straight up?

[Dan in Owego]

Absolutely! It's just Denver won't be down for this.

Edited March 14, 2023 by Dan in Owego

[ndirish1978]

 

I'd rather get Sutton. I don't think we're in on any "high" trade asks anyway. 

[HappyDays]

 

I know this is a highlight video... but how can anyone watch this and not get excited about the prospect of Jeudy's skill set being added to our offense? There are some plays in this reel that nobody on our roster right now could replicate. The speed is real. The catch radius is real. The ability to uncover quickly on 3rd down is real. What am I missing? Why isn't this high-upside player that fills a need and is still on his rookie contract worth our 1st round pick?

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Hopkins did not have a down year, he looked as good as ever this year.

 

As good as 2020?   Definitely not.   Lowest yards per target since 2016.   Lower ypr and catch % than we are used to.

 

Look at Julio Jones 2020..........he had a similar 9 game slate to what Hopkins had in 2022.........and he was far more explosive than Hopkins........his 15 ypr, 75% catch rate and 11.3 yards per target blew Hopkins 2022 numbers out of the water.   

 

The fall off happened fast for Julio.

 

Remember that Hopkins was suspended for using PED's that he is now being tested much more regularly for.   The system is an intentional sham designed to be beaten......if you aren't in the program you get tested a couple times a year and you know almost exactly when that will be and just have to mask it.   He blew it.  I don't care that he's juicing, lot's of players are.  But if he can't take them any longer he could fall off significantly.   Not JUST performance but also the ability to stay healthy.   And you don't lose all the juice immediately so don't presume that looking good in the same calendar year that he was caught means that he's not impacted by not having them.   Often times it's the year after when significant issues prop up.   As A-Rod.  

[Dan in Owego]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I know this is a highlight video... but how can anyone watch this and not get excited about the prospect of Jeudy's skill set being added to our offense? There are some plays in this reel that nobody on our roster right now could replicate. The speed is real. The catch radius is real. The ability to uncover quickly on 3rd down is real. What am I missing? Why isn't this high-upside player that fills a need and is still on his rookie contract worth our 1st round pick?

He really reminds me of Marvin Harrison, and he would be playing for that next contract which can't be understated as a motivation.

[Dan in Owego]

I will say i like Jonathon Mingo in the draft, but just like Moulds he might not be a big player year 1.

[Alphadawg7]

21 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I know this is a highlight video... but how can anyone watch this and not get excited about the prospect of Jeudy's skill set being added to our offense? There are some plays in this reel that nobody on our roster right now could replicate. The speed is real. The catch radius is real. The ability to uncover quickly on 3rd down is real. What am I missing? Why isn't this high-upside player that fills a need and is still on his rookie contract worth our 1st round pick?

Denver has traded away 3 firsts, 3 seconds, a fourth rounder, and Noah Fant to get a QB in Russel Wilson and an offensive guru head coach in the past 12 months.

 

So why are they willing to trade Jeudy who is on a rookie contract 2 more years after they invested so much into a QB and coach for the passing game?  
 

He has potential, but if someone is willing to over pay they will take it because he’s had health and drop issues over his first 3 years while averaging 700 yards and 3 TDs.  
 

He clearly still has potential, but I think the issue people have is with how much people are willing to trade for him.  I think most would be happy to see us get him, but it’s the compensation to get him they are concerned about because he still has a lot to prove.  

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Denver has traded away 3 firsts, 3 seconds, a fourth rounder, and Noah Fant to get a QB in Russel Wilson and an offensive guru head coach in the past 12 months.

 

So why are they willing to trade Jeudy who is on a rookie contract 2 more years after they invested so much into a QB and coach for the passing game?  
 

He has potential, but if someone is willing to over pay they will take it because he’s had health and drop issues over his first 3 years while averaging 700 yards and 3 TDs.  
 

He clearly still has potential, but I think the issue people have is with how much people are willing to trade for him.  I think most would be happy to see us get him, but it’s the compensation to get him they are concerned about because he still has a lot to prove.  

 

I don't know why they're reportedly willing to trade him. Why did the Texans trade DeAndre Hopkins? Why did the Titans trade AJ Brown? Why did the Vikings trade Stefon Diggs? Dumb teams do dumb things all the time. My best guess is that they are trying to collect draft capital to hedge on Russell Wilson in case what they saw last year is just who he is now. Sean Payton might come in thinking he needs to allocate more resources to the OL and the run game to try and create a functional offense around an overpaid bad QB. I don't have the exact answer but you can't just say "his team is trading him away, therefore he isn't worth trading for."

 

Isn't it a little disingenuous to say he "averages 700 yards" when he missed 7 games in 2021? In 2022 with laughably bad QB play and offensive play calling he collected 972 receiving yards despite missing 2 games. If anything scares me about him it's the injury concerns. That is a legitimate question. But the talent is obvious and we don't have his skill set on the roster.

 

I look at it this way - if this version of Jerry Jeudy was coming into the draft this year he would be far and away the #1 WR prospect. You have to factor in the downside that you're losing 3 years of his rookie contract, but the talent level is several tiers above any WR we could draft this year. He'll be 24 next month, the same age as some rookies that will be drafted. We have a low 1st round pick so we are likely to get at best the 4th best WR prospect in this weak class. Why not just use it on a guy where we know we are getting an immediate #2 WR with #1 upside? It's the lower floor/higher ceiling version of when we traded for Diggs. And there were legitimate questions about that trade when we made it. But talent usually wins out in the end.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I look at it this way - if this version of Jerry Jeudy was coming into the draft this year he would be far and away the #1 WR prospect. 

 

Or any version of Jerry Jeudy that involved him having two working legs.... by my grading scale (not saying I am the be all and end all but as an indicative guide) Jerry Jeudy was one point short of being graded an entire round ahead of Jordan Addison (currently my WR1 this year). I had Jeudy one point below an elite grade coming out. I have Addison as a 1st/2nd borderline.

[BillsFanForever19]

The problem with trading for Jeudy is the same as a team trading for Oliver - he's a 1 year rental. A very good talent, but if you don't know if you're going to have him beyond this season, why would you give up much for him?

 

I suspect Denver wouldn't want to give him away for the price they'll get for a 1 year rental and will only move him to a team that will have a long term contract agreed upon and as such is willing to pay a higher price.

 

And that long term contract surely won't be cheap.

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

The problem with trading for Jeudy is the same as a team trading for Oliver - he's a 1 year rental. A very good talent, but if you don't know if you're going to have him beyond this season, why would you give up much for him?

 

I suspect Denver wouldn't want to give him away for the price they'll get for a 1 year rental and will only move him to a team that will have a long term contract agreed upon and as such is willing to pay a higher price.

 

And that long term contract surely won't be cheap.

So you trade for him and then you extend him and the extension is agreed-upon before the move is even made

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

The problem with trading for Jeudy is the same as a team trading for Oliver - he's a 1 year rental.

 

A 2 year rental because he still has his 5th year option in 2024. And then you get first dibs on his extension.

[BillsFanForever19]

28 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

So you trade for him and then you extend him and the extension is agreed-upon before the move is even made

 

Yep. You've never seen a trade happen and a long term extension announced at the same time or within a day or two? Happens all the time. AJ Brown and the Eagles last season off the top of my head.

 

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

A 2 year rental because he still has his 5th year option in 2024. And then you get first dibs on his extension.

 

That's a fair point.

Edited March 14, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[UmbrellaMan]

We really messed up allowing Kadarius Toney to go the Chiefs. 

[Wayne Cubed]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I know this is a highlight video... but how can anyone watch this and not get excited about the prospect of Jeudy's skill set being added to our offense? There are some plays in this reel that nobody on our roster right now could replicate. The speed is real. The catch radius is real. The ability to uncover quickly on 3rd down is real. What am I missing? Why isn't this high-upside player that fills a need and is still on his rookie contract worth our 1st round pick?

 

No argument from me, I would have no problem giving up our very low 1st round pick for Jeudy's skill. What are the chances there is a player with that upside sitting there at 27 this year? I'd say pretty slim. The Bills would get him for 2 years, and if he preforms would set up giving him a long term contract right when Diggs the Bills could get out of the Diggs contract and he's 32. 

 

And we could still get Jeudy AND draft another WR in the upcoming drafts. This wouldn't limit the Bills.

[Dunkirk Donski]

Toast, juice, and milk

[BillsShredder83]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

As good as 2020?   Definitely not.   Lowest yards per target since 2016.   Lower ypr and catch % than we are used to.

 

Look at Julio Jones 2020..........he had a similar 9 game slate to what Hopkins had in 2022.........and he was far more explosive than Hopkins........his 15 ypr, 75% catch rate and 11.3 yards per target blew Hopkins 2022 numbers out of the water.   

 

The fall off happened fast for Julio.

 

Remember that Hopkins was suspended for using PED's that he is now being tested much more regularly for.   The system is an intentional sham designed to be beaten......if you aren't in the program you get tested a couple times a year and you know almost exactly when that will be and just have to mask it.   He blew it.  I don't care that he's juicing, lot's of players are.  But if he can't take them any longer he could fall off significantly.   Not JUST performance but also the ability to stay healthy.   And you don't lose all the juice immediately so don't presume that looking good in the same calendar year that he was caught means that he's not impacted by not having them.   Often times it's the year after when significant issues prop up.   As A-Rod.  

atleast the good news on that is it was 'just' a peptide. not like he got caught with clomid or something indicating a full blown cycle, was some variant of an hgh secretagogue.  something he wouldve been using likely to help with a prev injury/janky joints kinda thing. i dont think were looking at a cushing/merriman

[BuffaloRebound]

Any 2 of Oliver, Gabe, and 3rd round pick.  Doubt that gets it done but we can’t be trading 1st and 2nd round picks.  Those high picks need to be cost controlled starters for the next 4+ years.  Jeudy only has 1 more year left before his contract balloons.  

[BillsShredder83]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Any 2 of Oliver, Gabe, and 3rd round pick.  Doubt that gets it done but we can’t be trading 1st and 2nd round picks.  Those high picks need to be cost controlled starters for the next 4+ years.  Jeudy only has 1 more year left before his contract balloons.  

i think the WR position is worth the $$. weve seen the compensation for players at that position explode, and theres a reason. heck id still prefer we double dip at the position and still draft one high. w/ the way we see rookies hit the ground running, and the cost of a 2nd contract, and our teams dependency on passing game, i dont see an excuse to not a WR top 3 rounds for forseeable future. now if we hit big on a few we can alter that year by year, but that pipeline needs to stay refreshed. might even end up with a log jam of wr's putting up good #s with josh, and have some tasty trade bait down the line if were saturated at wr

[MasterStrategist]

Jeudy is who I'd want, but not at the price of #27.  We need cap controllable 1st round players on this team.... even with Jerry's 2 years of manageable salary.

 

Denver would have to like Ed.  Oliver + our 2nd round selection OR 2nd round + next year's 3rd (if Ed isn't involved).

 

Like others said, Ed is too expensive/inconsistent/undersized.  I think we need to be getting bigger/more physical up front.  If we can find a way to alleviate his cap + get Jeudy that's a HUGE pickup.

[BuffaloRebound]

7 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

i think the WR position is worth the $$. weve seen the compensation for players at that position explode, and theres a reason. heck id still prefer we double dip at the position and still draft one high. w/ the way we see rookies hit the ground running, and the cost of a 2nd contract, and our teams dependency on passing game, i dont see an excuse to not a WR top 3 rounds for forseeable future. now if we hit big on a few we can alter that year by year, but that pipeline needs to stay refreshed. might even end up with a log jam of wr's putting up good #s with josh, and have some tasty trade bait down the line if were saturated at wr

WR definitely worth the investment.  With Diggs already here, I just don’t think a 1st or 2nd round pick for a WR you’re gonna have to give $20m per year next year is wise.  I’d rather double dip and draft one in the 1st or 2nd this year and sign a potential elite Slot guy like Gesicki for $10m.  Diggs, Davis, Gesicki, 1st round WR, and Shakir could be top 5 good. 

[BillsShredder83]

13 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

WR definitely worth the investment.  With Diggs already here, I just don’t think a 1st or 2nd round pick for a WR you’re gonna have to give $20m per year next year is wise.  I’d rather double dip and draft one in the 1st or 2nd this year and sign a potential elite Slot guy like Gesicki for $10m.  Diggs, Davis, Gesicki, 1st round WR, and Shakir could be top 5 good. 

id be on board with that. most criticism i see of MG is directed at his inbility to block.  which sucks for sure, hines ward is the greatest blocking wr ive ever seen and he spent plenty of time in the slot, but how many slot WRs absolutely require blocking. ask him to catch a high volume of balls and keep the chain moving.

 

i like shakir, but much in the way i dont want to gamble a season on Spencer elevating his play, we cant afford to gamble that shakir is going to be that guy either

[John from Riverside]

So the question is, would you give up 27?
 

I don’t believe there are any wide receivers in this class that match the potential of Jerry Jeudy

 

If the plan was to go wr in round one, then maybe?

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't know why they're reportedly willing to trade him. Why did the Texans trade DeAndre Hopkins? Why did the Titans trade AJ Brown? Why did the Vikings trade Stefon Diggs? Dumb teams do dumb things all the time.

Texans traded Hopkins because he wanted out and they began cap cutting and rebuilding.

 

Titans traded AJ Brown because they didn’t want to pay him a massive contract.

 

Vikings traded Diggs because he both wanted out and had cap issues.  
 

There’s no mystery to why those 3 got traded.  There is a mystery as to why Denver is trading Jeudy when he is cheap and they have invested a massive amount into the passing offense in the last 12 months.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

20 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:

now that Bills signed McGovern, do you still want to DRAFT 2 O Linemen?

 

Yes - possibly a tackle in the first if the value is there.  

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Texans traded Hopkins because he wanted out and they began cap cutting and rebuilding.

 

Titans traded AJ Brown because they didn’t want to pay him a massive contract.

 

Vikings traded Diggs because he both wanted out and had cap issues.  
 

There’s no mystery to why those 3 got traded.  There is a mystery as to why Denver is trading Jeudy when he is cheap and they have invested a massive amount into the passing offense in the last 12 months.  

 

The mystery is - he isn't that good.  Or he isn't a good fit in the payton offense.  Or they want to allocate resources to better suit the team Payton wants to put together. 

[stinky finger]

20 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

 

You win! 

[In Summary]

In a multi-team trade, I acquire both Christian Wilkins' and Jeudy so I can claim Punch and Jeudy.

[DrDawkinstein]

I'd probably do 27 for Jeudy straight up, but I saw someone mention 27 for Jeudy and 68? Absolutely, without question or a doubt.

 

That gives us Jeudy and 3 picks in the top 69? Nice.

 

Get a WR and still go OL, OL, but get to add a Safety or LB while still addressing the Offense three times in the first 3 rounds.

[BillsShredder83]

10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Texans traded Hopkins because he wanted out and they began cap cutting and rebuilding.

 

Titans traded AJ Brown because they didn’t want to pay him a massive contract.

 

Vikings traded Diggs because he both wanted out and had cap issues.  
 

There’s no mystery to why those 3 got traded.  There is a mystery as to why Denver is trading Jeudy when he is cheap and they have invested a massive amount into the passing offense in the last 12 months.  

You've talked me into DHop over Jeudy in this thread.  Same boat here to, if we swing Jeudy ill be stoked, he was my fav receiver in his class, he's younger.... however, DHop is plug n play superstar, no development needed, no hands issues (this board was ready to cut Zay after 4 games with drops), healthier, and more mature as a player. Im sure his priorities are (within reason) winning, then money.  Seems like he'd mesh better with Diggs

[Thrivefourfive]

On 3/14/2023 at 7:15 AM, Alphadawg7 said:

Texans traded Hopkins because he wanted out and they began cap cutting and rebuilding.

 

Titans traded AJ Brown because they didn’t want to pay him a massive contract.

 

Vikings traded Diggs because he both wanted out and had cap issues.  
 

There’s no mystery to why those 3 got traded.  There is a mystery as to why Denver is trading Jeudy when he is cheap and they have invested a massive amount into the passing offense in the last 12 months.  

JJ wants out because he’s quarterback is a very difficult person to be around. He also wants better play from that position. If he wants out or Payton doesn’t like him, could be a red flag. 

[HappyDays]

I would do this in a second.

[Gisele]

 You can have my answer now, if you like. My final offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, HappyDays said:

I would do this in a second.

2024 1st + Oliver for Jeudy and a 4th 

[Dan in Owego]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

I would do this in a second.

Would be an electric offense for sure.

[HappyDays]

Now that I know a 1st gets it done, I'm going to be mad if this doesn't happen. Nobody we could draft with our 1st rounder is going to make as big a difference as Jeudy would. We would now have two legit outside WRs, one with great route running one with great speed; an explosive slot in Deonte Harty; and Davis and Shakir as outside/slot depth options with complementary skill sets. Draft some OL and watch this offense explode. I can't find any downside.