Stadium Renderings Part 2

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

As far as the average fan goes, if they truly just went for the sake of taking in the energy of the game then none of these other stadiums would be adding in things to make the game day experience better. They would stick with concourses like they always have had. The stadium experience is big part of the game more so now then it ever has before. 

 

Interesting comment.  I've only been to a couple of games in recent years, so I'm hardly the one to know, but what I do know is that when I've gone, instead of enjoying the game, many people are filming or taking selfies and other pics, a lot, not just once or twice throughout the game.  In fact, last game I was at, my daughter was too busy video recording a huge play that she missed watching it live and it was right in front of us.  She was upset about it, but I told her, stop recording and watch the game.  I had to say that a bunch of times tho.  

 

I've noticed that at concerts as well.  I guess I don't understand it, because as you say, the stadium experience is what it's all about for me.  I can't experience it if I'm recording.  

[SoCal Deek]

40 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I also said it’ll be a major upgrade but no one cares about how pretty and wide the new concourses will be.

We most definitely disagree there. If you eliminate the dome roof (which appears to have long ago been eliminated from the amenities) the next things in order would be:

 

1. Seat width and leg room

2. Restroom availability 

3. Concourse width

4. Concession quality and variety

5. Sight lines (hardly a factor in a football only facility)

6. Scoreboard/in-stadium technology (hardly a factor in a modern facility)

7. Exterior appearance (hardly a factor out in the suburbs) 

 

Number 2, 3 and 4 are all in the concourses.

 

I’m curious where you’d rank them.

[Punching Bag]

15 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

What's interesting is what a small percentage, relatively speaking, ticket sales are as a percentage of revenues.  I'm wondering if the team doesn't care if it sells out the seats.  I'm not sure what the individual ticket sale policy would be.  I

 

 

Clearly they do not for they reduced capacity.  Their advice from Jerry Jones appears to have been reduce number of seats to drive up demand and prices which is odd since his temple is one of the biggest stadium in the NFL.

[cba fan]

On 2/26/2023 at 8:07 AM, Nextmanup said:

All that glass looks stunning in a concept rendering.

 

It'll look like dirty garbage in about 3 weeks of WNY weather.

 

I hope they plan on hiring a lot of window washers.

 

 

they make glass now that is effectively self cleaning. So don't worry. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

We most definitely disagree there. If you eliminate the dome roof (which appears to have long ago been eliminated from the amenities) the next things in order would be:

 

1. Seat width and leg room

2. Restroom availability 

3. Concourse width

4. Concession quality and variety

5. Sight lines (hardly a factor in a football only facility)

6. Scoreboard/in-stadium technology (hardly a factor in a modern facility)

7. Exterior appearance (hardly a factor out in the suburbs) 

 

Number 2, 3 and 4 are all in the concourses.

 

I’m curious where you’d rank them.

In my 40 or so games attending the stadium the only topics that came up concerning the stadium are the weather and bathrooms.

 

So bathrooms would be number 1.

[Dick_Cheney]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

List of dome teams who've won the Super Bowl:

• 1999 St. Louis Rams
• 2006 Indianapolis Colts
• 2009 New Orleans Saints

The End

Lol sure. Go back and include the teams that play in near perfect weather year round, dome or not.

 

Just bizarre that so many on here are in denial that it would help us. You can admit that while at the same time acknowledging that Pegula isn't going to make it happen.

[SoCal Deek]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

In my 40 or so games attending the stadium the only topics that came up concerning the stadium are the weather and bathrooms.

 

So bathrooms would be number 1.

Fair enough. What I think you’re missing is that the new stadium is a complete do-over, so things that you’ve taken for granted all these years might actually be compromised in the new stadium.
 

Most people don’t realize that the biggest single factor in stadium venue design is the width of the seats and the spacing of the rows. The new facility will most certainly not have bench seating but instead individual bucket seats. If the designers try and squeeze in an additional seat per row or additional row per seating level it will have a significant impact on your game day experience. 

 

Likewise, on a raining, windy, or really cold afternoon, having heated, wide concourse areas both before the game and during halftime will be a much welcomed improvement. 

Edited February 27, 2023 by SoCal Deek

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Dick_Cheney said:

Lol sure. Go back and include the teams that play in near perfect weather year round, dome or not.

 

Just bizarre that so many on here are in denial that it would help us. You can admit that while at the same time acknowledging that Pegula isn't going to make it happen.

It’s odd. I also believe the only reason Pegula isn’t building a dome is because half the fans believe football should be played outdoors and the other half don’t care either way.

If you notice, the only people not talked about or questioned are the players. There’s a reason for that. 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Fair enough. What I think you’re missing is that the new stadium is a complete do-over, so things that you’ve taken for granted all these years might actually be compromised in the new stadium.
 

Most people don’t realize that the biggest single factor in stadium venue design is the width of the seats and the spacing of the rows. The new facility will most certainly not have bench seating but instead individual bucket seats. If the designers try and squeeze in an additional seat per row or additional row per seating level it will have a significant impact on your game day experience. 

 

Likewise, on a raining, windy, or really cold afternoon, having heated, wide concourse areas both before the game and during halftime will be a much welcomed improvement. 

I agree 100% with you on the upgrades. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything but these things just haven’t been a concern for me or anyone I’ve spoken with over the years. It’s also never been a topic of concern from the media.

There is basically one chance in a lifetime to build a stadium. This is the one chance. I don’t think they’re doing it right. The same issues will be talked about for 50 years until the next stadium is built.

 

[PBF81]

24 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Clearly they do not for they reduced capacity.  Their advice from Jerry Jones appears to have been reduce number of seats to drive up demand and prices which is odd since his temple is one of the biggest stadium in the NFL.

 

I don't think that going from 70k to 60k is really going to make that difference tho.  

 

You don't think they're going to have any difficulty then selling tix at over twice the current face value, while charging PSL fees?  

 

I'd love to see that but I'm also not so sure.  But my point was that maybe they don't even care all that much of we only sell say 40k of the 60.  

 

Time will tell, but when the topic comes up, it seems like there are a lot of STHs here that day they're not going to pay that much and will watch at home instead.  

 

 

[Fleezoid]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I agree 100% with you on the upgrades. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything but these things just haven’t been a concern for me or anyone I’ve spoken with over the years. It’s also never been a topic of concern from the media.

There is basically one chance in a lifetime to build a stadium. This is the one chance. I don’t think they’re doing it right. The same issues will be talked about for 50 years until the next stadium is built.

 

 

I'll be well over a 100 by then. But still contributing to the Bills Fans' 0.076 BAC. 

 

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I agree 100% with you on the upgrades. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything but these things just haven’t been a concern for me or anyone I’ve spoken with over the years. It’s also never been a topic of concern from the media.

There is basically one chance in a lifetime to build a stadium. This is the one chance. I don’t think they’re doing it right. The same issues will be talked about for 50 years until the next stadium is built.

 

I don’t think you’re a jerk by any means. Your concerns however appear to be single minded…no dome:no good. I’m trying to point out that after you get passed that single issue there are many, many other factors that are going to either be done well, or not. Most of them are the hands of the stadium architects. I sure hope that the ones I listed up above are being given their due consideration or it REALLY won’t be a success on any level. 
 

What has me somewhat amazed is that the renderings released address VERY FEW of those fan related design factors. I’m reserving judgement until we’re shown much, much more. 

[Einstein]

44 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

"Axthally" it is not surprising you dislike something about the Bills.

They remind you of the nuns who used to hit your fingers with their rulers when you misspelled. 

I bet you thought that sounded way cooler in your head before you hit post. 

 

Internet bullying is lame.

[Augie]

2 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

if they sell the place out (which they will, at least for a while) who really cares?

 

what exactly are these recent improvements to Rodgers Center that supposedly help draw casual fans? You mentioned new and expanded food offerings, which the Bills’ new stadium most certainly will also have. What are the others?

 

Just a funny little aside, when Atlanta got the fancy new stadium (which I can’t say I love) they bragged about how they were going to have very affordable concessions. It was true, they were cheap, but on three different occasions at a single Falcons game I gave up waiting in LONG lines to get one of those cheap hotdogs and a beer. Some things sound good, but are not all they were cracked up to be. 

 

This may say something about the people who are so clearly unhappy about the stadium that we know so little about. If I had my choice, it would probably be a domed stadium downtown. But it’s not. I can live with that.  All I hope for now is for everything to run smoothly and efficiently with good sight-lines. Get it right and don’t have any unexpected setbacks. One of the fancy new stadiums (SoFi in LA?) had steps so steep it would be a battle for many people to get to the upper seats, where the average person would battle vertigo. It may look shiny and pretty, but I would not want to sit in the seats I saw a video from. 

 

I may be disappointed when I first see the new home of the Bills, but I certainly don’t know enough about the interior and amenities for me to have much of an opinion today. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

Not sure where you saw $800M. It’s actually about half of that. The rest is paid by taxpayers and really it’s all paid by taxpayers because the $400m of casino money was going to go toward other state programs which are now being funded by taxpayers instead. Either way, taxpayers are footing the entirety of the nearly $1B. It’s really just a marketing ploy to make it seem like less.

I have often wondered what gave the state the right to the 400M from the indian casinos ?

 

Its their land, their casinos and should be their money.

 

I'm surprised NYS was able to take it.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

 

What has me somewhat amazed is that the renderings released address VERY FEW of those fan related design factors. I’m reserving judgement until we’re shown much, much more. 

 

Speaking of, why haven't we been shown more?

 

Other stadiums being built had full video walkthroughs and virtual 3D experiences by this point. Titans, for example, who got funding after we did.

[JoPoy88]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I agree 100% with you on the upgrades. I’m not trying to be a jerk or anything but these things just haven’t been a concern for me or anyone I’ve spoken with over the years. It’s also never been a topic of concern from the media.

There is basically one chance in a lifetime to build a stadium. This is the one chance. I don’t think they’re doing it right. The same issues will be talked about for 50 years until the next stadium is built.

 

maybe you get in there an hour before the game starts so you haven’t experienced it, but the concourse width and comfort @SoCal Deek mentioned are major, major issues at the current stadium. I’ve had season tickets since ‘07. The vast majority of tailgating fans are trying to cram in there 15-20 min before kickoff. Nothing puts a damper on the experience more than vast lines at the gates and gridlock within the sewer tunnel concourses before kickoff. Everyone I know has complained about it. The fact that you don’t think it’s an issue or never heard any complaints is, frankly, hard to believe.

Edited February 27, 2023 by JoPoy88

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I have often wondered what gave the state the right to the 400M from the indian casinos ?

 

Its their land, their casinos and should be their money.

 

I'm surprised NYS was able to take it.

 

It was an agreement between Seneca tribes and NYS.

Seneca got exclusive rights to casino in Buffalo and surrounding areas, and in return they would pay NYS 25% of slot money.

[Augie]

55 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

We most definitely disagree there. If you eliminate the dome roof (which appears to have long ago been eliminated from the amenities) the next things in order would be:

 

1. Seat width and leg room

2. Restroom availability 

3. Concourse width

4. Concession quality and variety

5. Sight lines (hardly a factor in a football only facility)

6. Scoreboard/in-stadium technology (hardly a factor in a modern facility)

7. Exterior appearance (hardly a factor out in the suburbs) 

 

Number 2, 3 and 4 are all in the concourses.

 

I’m curious where you’d rank them.

 

Your #1 is huge to me! I wouldn’t go to State Farm Arena in ATL for anything for years because the seating was uncomfortably tight. I’m not huge by any means at 6’1”, but I had nowhere to put my legs! I ended up walking the whole second half of a Hawks game because the seating space sucked! 

 

We know virtually nothing about 2-4, and that’s where we need the biggest improvements. How can anyone judge without knowing the answers there? 

 

EDIT: I’ve heard the seats have been rearranged at State Farm Arena. It couldn’t be worse. 

 

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Edited February 27, 2023 by Augie

[TBBills Fan]

On 2/26/2023 at 12:31 AM, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

How can that thing be so expensive?

Real bathrooms 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Speaking of, why haven't we been shown more?

 

Other stadiums being built had full video walkthroughs and virtual 3D experiences by this point. Titans, for example, who got funding after we did.

Yes, it’s really puzzling. These renderings are not made by a dude with a water color easel and brush. They’re simply snap shots of the full architectural computer model of the stadium. They can literally create hundreds of them in a few hours. All I can think of is that the Bills Magmt isn’t quite happy with what the architects have come up with for those concourse areas, and so they’ve asked them to present a few more options before releasing to the public…but that’s just my guess, speaking as someone in the industry. 

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Your #1 is huge to me! I wouldn’t go to State Farm Arena in ATL for anything for years because the seating was uncomfortably tight. I’m not huge by any means at 6’1”, but I had nowhere to put my legs! I ended up walking the whole second half of a Hawks game because the seating space sucked! 

 

We know virtually nothing about 2-4, and that’s where we need the biggest improvements. How can anyone judge without knowing the answers there? 

Thanks Augie….and you’re 100% correct. In an outdoor venue the architects better be taking into account the layers of clothing people will need to wear to the game, and then make the seat WIDTHS appropriate. Likewise, if the row spacing is just an inch or two deeper it can make all difference for both legroom and the need to get up every time someone exits your row. 

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yes, it’s really puzzling. These renderings are not made by a dude with a water color easel and brush. They’re simply snap shots of the full architectural computer model of the stadium. They can literally create hundreds of them in a few hours. All I can think of is that the Bills Magmt isn’t quite happy with what the architects have come up with for those concourse areas, and so they’ve asked them to present a few more options before releasing to the public…but that’s just my guess, speaking as someone in the industry. 

 

Doing it right beats doing it fast, IMO. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

8 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Your #1 is huge to me! I wouldn’t go to State Farm Arena in ATL for anything for years because the seating was uncomfortably tight. I’m not huge by any means at 6’1”, but I had nowhere to put my legs! I ended up walking the whole second half of a Hawks game because the seating space sucked! 

 

We know virtually nothing about 2-4, and that’s where we need the biggest improvements. How can anyone judge without knowing the answers there? 

 

EDIT: I’ve heard the seats have been rearranged at State Farm Arena. It couldn’t be worse. 

 

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I always enjoy State Farm Arena and Mercedez benz (because they are domes) that the women always wear the tight yoga pants and tight t-shirts.

 

Wouldn't it be nice to see some buffalo women in tight yoga pants and t-shirts ?

[Augie]

1 minute ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I always enjoy State Farm Arena and Mercedez benz (because they are domes) that the women always wear the tight yoga pants and tight t-shirts.

 

Wouldn't it be nice to see some buffalo women in tight yoga pants and t-shirts ?

 

I’ll have to say…..that would depend upon a few different factors.  😋

[Buffalo_Stampede]

19 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

maybe you get in there an hour before the game starts so you haven’t experienced it, but the concourse width and comfort @SoCal Deek mentioned are major, major issues at the current stadium. I’ve had season tickets since ‘07. The vast majority of tailgating fans are trying to cram in there 15-20 min before kickoff. Nothing puts a damper on the experience more than vast lines at the gates and gridlock within the sewer tunnel concourses before kickoff. Everyone I know has complained about it. The fact that you don’t think it’s an issue or never heard any complaints is, frankly, hard to believe.

It’s just never been something I’ve heard discussed. 
 

It’s definitely something I would’ve upgraded with the new stadium, and they are. 
 

The stadium will be better, I have always acknowledged that. Major upgrades over what was there. What I’m trying to say is no one outside of Buffalo will care about this stadium. 
 

Does that make sense? Players, fans, and media outside of Buffalo won’t even think twice about it. I include Buffalo Bills players as outsiders as well. The only thing they’re going to say is why didn’t they put a roof on it?

 

Honestly I don’t even feel a sense of excitement about the stadium locally. We’re actually getting a new stadium and there’s very little excitement.

 

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[boater]

The Bills just posted these new renderings on FB a few minutes ago. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/stadium-news

 

I apologize if this has already been reported.

 

It's a handsome building.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, boater said:

The Bills just posted these new renderings on FB a few minutes ago. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/stadium-news

 

I apologize if this has already been reported.

 

It's a handsome building.

Kind of looks comfortable to sit on and read a news paper.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

42 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I don't think that going from 70k to 60k is really going to make that difference tho.  

 

You don't think they're going to have any difficulty then selling tix at over twice the current face value, while charging PSL fees?  

 

I'd love to see that but I'm also not so sure.  But my point was that maybe they don't even care all that much of we only sell say 40k of the 60.  

 

Time will tell, but when the topic comes up, it seems like there are a lot of STHs here that day they're not going to pay that much and will watch at home instead.  

 

 

I do think they will have trouble getting the PSLs they are hoping for but part of it will come from ticket agency partners they have been using the last decade.  The cost for tickets elsewhere is higher even than the jacked up prices so the agencies will buy the seats including PSLs and package them with air, hotel and tailgate to fill stadium.  This will reduce advantage to home team but there is pressure from NFL to raise prices.  I also think this will reduce merchandise sales when fans realize that getting seats for a group of people is impossible except via ticket markup agencies.  Most fans I know went to games as younger fans even if now they prefer large screen TVs at home.

[Einstein]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Kind of looks comfortable to sit on and read a news paper.

 

 

 

That's what my Carolina buddy told me!

 

He said it looks like a bedpan. I guess I can see it.

 

Maybe we can call it "the pan". We went from "the Ralph" to "the Pan".

 

[PBF81]

5 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

I do think they will have trouble getting the PSLs they are hoping for but part of it will come from ticket agency partners they have been using the last decade.  The cost for tickets elsewhere is higher even than the jacked up prices so the agencies will buy the seats including PSLs and package them with air, hotel and tailgate to fill stadium.  This will reduce advantage to home team but there is pressure from NFL to raise prices.  I also think this will reduce merchandise sales when fans realize that getting seats for a group of people is impossible except via ticket markup agencies.  Most fans I know went to games as younger fans even if now they prefer large screen TVs at home.

 

Thanks!  I didn't know that about the agencies, doesn't seem right.  

 

Is there that kind of demand for tickets in Buffalo for so many people to come from out-of-town that aren't typical fans though?   I'm also thinking maybe with Allen here, but once he's gone, whenever that ends up being, not so much.  

 

IDK, seems like the whole modern pro sports experience isn't what it used to be.  I think I'm one of the "odd men out" these days.  I was at all of the home playoff games except for the Comeback game, we drove by but decided to watch it locally instead.  But back then the tailgating was the thing, after that all I needed was a seat.  It's nice to have clean accessible restrooms without sewage water all over the floor, but otherwise, IDK, I don't care as much about stadium amenities as most people.  I'm only willing to pay so much for that though.  The prices, aftermarket, are approaching what I'd pay for a nice long-weekend entire vacation or perhaps even a week at the beach during mid-season.  

 

I don't have seasons because I don't live in the region anymore, but once those PSLs hit combined with double the prices, it'll be out of my price range and out of what I'm willing to pay on principle otherwise.  Going to games is becoming like family vacations.  LOL  

 

I've gotta admit too, that there's something about making your own wings at home and watching on TV.  

 

[PBF81]

28 minutes ago, boater said:

The Bills just posted these new renderings on FB a few minutes ago. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/stadium-news

 

I apologize if this has already been reported.

 

It's a handsome building.

 

The parking looks inadequate.  

[SoCal Deek]

37 minutes ago, boater said:

The Bills just posted these new renderings on FB a few minutes ago. https://www.buffalobills.com/news/stadium-news

 

I apologize if this has already been reported.

 

It's a handsome building.

Love the aerial view in the context of the neighborhood’. It’s definitely the best overall view they’ve shared to date. 

[Lost]

A few questions about our future stadium..

 

 

1.  What's with the large cutouts in the corners of the endzone of the new stadium?  

 

2.  Is there actually a solid wall behind the wind confusing mesh facades?  If not, how the hell is anyone gonna stay warm in the concourse or anywhere inside?

 

3. Why is the scoreboard so small?

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Love the aerial view in the context of the neighborhood’. It’s definitely the best overall view they’ve shared to date. 

It’s a nice stadium. 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Fair enough. What I think you’re missing is that the new stadium is a complete do-over, so things that you’ve taken for granted all these years might actually be compromised in the new stadium.
 

Most people don’t realize that the biggest single factor in stadium venue design is the width of the seats and the spacing of the rows. The new facility will most certainly not have bench seating but instead individual bucket seats. If the designers try and squeeze in an additional seat per row or additional row per seating level it will have a significant impact on your game day experience. 

 

Likewise, on a raining, windy, or really cold afternoon, having heated, wide concourse areas both before the game and during halftime will be a much welcomed improvement. 

 

If everyone's standing the whole time it won't matter re: the seats.  Seems as if the entire lower bowl never sits down anymore.  

 

I'd prefer the standing room areas which presumably would be at the club level, and less expensive, if everyone's going to stand anyway.  At least you can shift around up there.  

 

 

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Love the aerial view in the context of the neighborhood’. It’s definitely the best overall view they’ve shared to date. 

 

Agreed.  IDK tho, maybe it's me, but the style of the stadium seems a little out of place out in the suburbs like that.  

 

I wonder how long it's gonna take them to fill in the hole where the current stadium is and turn it into parking.  That's a whole lotta parking that they're gonna need.  It looks like the new parking around the stadium, while it looks nice, holds about half the cars of the existing lots.  

 

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by PBF81

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Kind of looks comfortable to sit on and read a news paper.

 

 

 

lol i just saw them and thought the same

[zow2]

I mean, if they stuck that thing downtown and had some retail and entertainment around it, it would be very cool.  Out in Orchard Park, eh, it’s nice and all but i’m not blown away.

[Mr. WEO]

No way that roof overhang keeps 65% of seats dry

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

If everyone's standing the whole time it won't matter re: the seats.  Seems as if the entire lower bowl never sits down anymore.  

 

I'd prefer the standing room areas which presumably would be at the club level, and less expensive, if everyone's going to stand anyway.  At least you can shift around up there.  

 

 

 

Agreed.  IDK tho, maybe it's me, but the style of the stadium seems a little out of place out in the suburbs like that.  

 

I wonder how long it's gonna take them to fill in the hole where the current stadium is and turn it into parking.  That's a whole lotta parking that they're gonna need.  It looks like the new parking around the stadium, while it looks nice, holds about half the cars of the existing lots.  

 

 

It’s interesting you mention style. As has been mentioned many times on here, the architects are the same firm that designed Tottenham in NE London. I’ve walked around that stadium, and it’s ultra modern exterior gives the impression that a spaceship has landed in a neighborhood of old Buffalo-like brick row houses. You can only get far enough away from the stadium to appreciate the architecture from one adjacent street. With all of that said, It is REALLY well done. 
 

The alternative would be Cowboy Stadium in Arlington whose singular form can actually be seen when you’re taxing in at the airport some 10 to 15 miles away. (Of course Central Texas has way more open vistas than Orchard Park) So there is something to be said for creating a large form and placing it in a big open field where you visualize the entire structure. 

 

With regards to the demolition of the old stadium, my ballpark estimate is that’ll take as much as a calendar year to demo it, fill it, and then repurpose it as parking. 

[PBF81]

9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

It’s interesting you mention style. As has been mentioned many times on here, the architects are the same firm that designed Tottenham in NE London. I’ve walked around that stadium, and it’s ultra modern exterior gives the impression that a spaceship has landed in a neighborhood of old Buffalo-like brick row houses. You can only get far enough away from the stadium to appreciate the architecture from one adjacent street. With all of that said, It is REALLY well done. 
 

The alternative would be Cowboy Stadium in Arlington whose singular form can actually be seen when you’re taxing in at the airport some 10 to 15 miles away. (Of course Central Texas has way more open vistas than Orchard Park) So there is something to be said for creating a large form and placing it in a big open field where you visualize the entire structure. 

 

With regards to the demolition of the old stadium, my ballpark estimate is that’ll take as much as a calendar year to demo it, fill it, and then repurpose it as parking. 

 

Yeah, I've read that about Tottenham.  I'm only seeing a few similarities however.  And why aren't they releasing more renderings.  If they're getting close to ground-breaking then the archtectural renderings are already long done.  I don't understand why they won't put more out, particularly of the concourses etc.  

 

I'm less into those modern impressions than most are, someone mentioned Lucas Oil Stadium, which IMO as I mentioned would look a lot better in Orchard Park than this thing.  That brick facade just seems to fit the region better.  I guess to me, being the Finger Lakes region and all, more or less over there, something more traditional would fit in better.  The existing pics look as if they'd fit better downtown.  

 

I forgot about one thing that you implied, I keep forgetting that Rich is primarily underground but that the new one will be entirely above ground.  That alone will make a huge impression that people should be able to see from notably farther away even with the lightly rolling terrain.  

 

Pegula needs to sign the lease extension too.