Bills Coaching Staff Changes Thread

[nucci]

16 minutes ago, Mango said:

Coverage was very odd this year. 

We played a lot more man. But we didn't play Elam much. It made some sense when Johnson and Hamlin were running the backfield. They were just not an NFL pairing. 

But it kept happening even when it was Poyer-Hamlin with Tre and Jackson.

receivers were open all year against us

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Could very well be our next DC. 

Failing forward 

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, MWK said:

Eric Washington should go, but he's McDermott's friend so he won't. 

Von Miller loves the guy and raved about him in the end of season presser.

[SectionC3]

21 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

My best guess based on no actual knowledge is that Steve Wilks is coming with Al Holcomb. I would be good with that. Yeah it's more Carolina guys, but they are far from yes men and they know what McDermott wants. Holcomb had a lot to do with the development of Jeremy Chinn as well as Luke Kuechly. 

This makes a ton of sense.  

[Low Positive]

25 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

My best guess based on no actual knowledge is that Steve Wilks is coming with Al Holcomb. I would be good with that. Yeah it's more Carolina guys, but they are far from yes men and they know what McDermott wants. Holcomb had a lot to do with the development of Jeremy Chinn as well as Luke Kuechly. 

That's of course depending on Wilks not getting the Carolina job. He and Reich both got second interviews there.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/25/steve-wilks-frank-reich-move-on-to-second-interviews-with-panthers/

Edited January 26, 2023 by FrenchConnection

[JackKemp]

Seems to me that one of the issues in the backfield may be communication. If so that is usually the responsibility of the safeties. Therefore likely coaching of that position was lacking. I wouldn't be surprised if there is more to come including Frazier being moved away from and another internal promotion made with other changes to follow.

[Fleezoid]

1 hour ago, BillsFanInRaleigh said:

Maybe more to come? 
 

 

 

[Gregg]

Just saw a report that Frazier has been fired. Hope its true.

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Gregg said:

Just saw a report that Frazier has been fired. Hope its true.

Come on.  Link or go away.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

14 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Von Miller loves the guy and raved about him in the end of season presser.

Von's glasses only let him see sunshine and unicorns anywhere he looks...

[MrEpsYtown]

9 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

That's of course depending on Wilks not getting the Carolina job. He and Reich both got second interviews there.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/25/steve-wilks-frank-reich-move-on-to-second-interviews-with-panthers/

 

Wilks should 100% get that job. I still think they go offensive guy, but Wilks deserves it and earned it. Plus he got a terrible draw with Arizona. 

[Gregg]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

Come on.  Link or go away.

 

Trying to confirm. It was on Yahoo. Just said Bills fire Frazier.

[gobills404]

So Taron had his best seasons when he was the nickel coach and he gets fired after 1 year where his players got decimated by injuries? How tf does this dude get the axe and yet Eric Washington, the dude who is blatantly the worst position coach on the staff, still has a job?

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, MWK said:

 

Giving the DC job to a guy who can't even coach his position group seems like a terrible idea. But he's a McDermott friend from Carolina so it would be on brand. 

Why should Eric Washington be fired?

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Why should Eric Washington be fired?

Lack of development in line that was highly invested in 

[gobills404]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Why should Eric Washington be fired?

How’s this even a question? Given the resources invested in it, the DL has been BY FAR the most underperforming unit over the last 3-4 years. Like it’s not even close.

Edited January 26, 2023 by gobills404

[RyanC883]

what a great culture guy McD is.  Finding scapegoats year after year, but never actually addressing the issues.  He is excuse city.  

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, gobills404 said:

How’s this even a question? Given the resources invested in it, the DL has been BY FAR the most underperforming unit over the last 3-4 years. Like it’s not even close.

Is that personnel decisions or coaching?

[RyanC883]

8 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

So Taron had his best seasons when he was the nickel coach and he gets fired after 1 year where his players got decimated by injuries? How tf does this dude get the axe and yet Eric Washington, the dude who is blatantly the worst position coach on the staff, still has a job?

 

easy.  He is a McD yes man.  McD has a culture of non -accountability and excuse making.  

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

Is that personnel decisions or coaching?

 

both

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, RyanC883 said:

 

easy.  He is a McD yes man.  McD has a culture of non -accountability and excuse making.  

 

both

Any examples of him being a yes man? Just one will suffice. 

[RyanC883]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

Any examples of him being a yes man? Just one will suffice. 

 

just a hunch.  why else is he still here?  any examples of him being a good coach without a future HoF on the line?  

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, BillsFanInRaleigh said:

Maybe more to come? 
 

 

 

*blink*

 

Did NOT see that coming.

 

1 hour ago, DapperCam said:

I think Frazier doesn’t have a contract, so he doesn’t need fired. Maybe they are clearing out his guys that are still under contract.

 

People have said this, but I can not find anywhere: where is the info on Frazier's contract or the lack thereoff?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

12 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Trying to confirm. It was on Yahoo. Just said Bills fire Frazier.

That doesn't pop up on google. Also, the Bills would not be announcing a firing--they would be announcing that they are not renewing his contract, which is expired...

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

That doesn't pop up on google. Also, the Bills would not be announcing a firing--they would be announcing that they are not renewing his contract, which is expired...

 

Either way I hope he is gone. They should have done it after 13 seconds. IMHO

[NoHuddleKelly12]

7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Is that personnel decisions or coaching?

It'd be nice to at least see if it's coaching, as that's an easier fix for the position group than blowing it all up and starting from scratch with personnel? 

[bouds]

Kind of surprised by this simply because everyone talks positively about him when doing interviews.  Then again, you're not going to ***** on a guy in public either.  Anyway, good luck to him, seemed like he did a good job while he was here for the most part.

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

*blink*

 

Did NOT see that coming.

 

 

People have said this, but I can not find anywhere: where is the info on Frazier's contract or the lack thereoff?

Joe Marino stated it on the Locked On Bills podcast. That's the only place I've heard it.

[GerstAusGosheim]

This makes absolutely no sense. This coach was widely praised and credited with the success of developing Taron Johnson into being one of the best nickel CBs in the league. And he was working with 2/3 string safties most of the season (paired with backup rookie CBs and little pass rush/no Von Miller)

[nosejob]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

*blink*

 

Did NOT see that coming.

 

 

People have said this, but I can not find anywhere: where is the info on Frazier's contract or the lack thereoff?

I can't find anything either. This going to be my 50th yr. as a fan and I cannot remember the Bills going into an off season without having the OC/DC under contract or extended.

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

just a hunch.  why else is he still here?  any examples of him being a good coach without a future HoF on the line?  

I think carving out a 20+ year coaching career out of being a McD yes man is less likely than maybe he has done something right.  Von Miller has nothing but praise for him.  If making up narratives on "a hunch" is your thing then don't let me get in the way.

[LeGOATski]

11 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

what a great culture guy McD is.  Finding scapegoats year after year, but never actually addressing the issues.  He is excuse city.  

Seems a bit premature to call this a "scapegoat" firing when they're probably not even done with the layoffs.

[RyanC883]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

I think carving out a 20+ year coaching career out of being a McD yes man is less likely than maybe he has done something right.  Von Miller has nothing but praise for him.  If making up narratives on "a hunch" is your thing then don't let me get in the way.

 

so he did a good job this year?   Please expand.  Did you watch the Bengals game against its backup OL, or the Dolphins game.  Who cares if Miller loves him.  

[Beck Water]

17 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Just saw a report that Frazier has been fired. Hope its true.

 

Where?

 

It's actually not the McDermott way to fire people.  He prefers to allow coaches to "pursue other opportunities", like McDermott did when Andy Reid fired him.  Heath Farwell, the DL coach a couple years back, etc.

 

I do believe that it's time for Leslie Frazier and Sean McDermott to get a divorce, though.  If Frazier wants to continue to coach and be considered for HC positions, he needs to go somewhere else and install a top defense there, out of McDermott's shadow where it's ambiguous who is really responsible for various decisions.

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, HoofHearted said:

The other obvious one was the second touchdown to Hurst when Poyer drove the fast screen to Chase and Hurst ran the stalk and go on him. There were multiple instances of us carrying a player too far vertically and allowing the easy catch and run underneath, or us not switching off routes in a timely manner in our Quarters looks. It was a bad day at the office all around

I saw some interesting analysis on the Hurst TD

 

Burrow used a hand signal that we though we stole from their NE game which meant tunnel screen to Chase

 

They had switched it against us so everyone bit on the Chase fake screen

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

I think carving out a 20+ year coaching career out of being a McD yes man is less likely than maybe he has done something right.  Von Miller has nothing but praise for him.  If making up narratives on "a hunch" is your thing then don't let me get in the way.

Von Miller has effusive praise for the cafeteria workers.

[RyanC883]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I saw some interesting analysis on the Hurst TD

 

Burrow used a hand signal that we though we stole from their NE game which meant tunnel screen to Chase

 

They had switched it against us so everyone bit on the Chase fake screen

 

so, they outcoached us and confused us.   

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Where?

 

It's actually not the McDermott way to fire people.  He prefers to allow coaches to "pursue other opportunities", like McDermott did when Andy Reid fired him.  Heath Farwell, the DL coach a couple years back, etc.

 

I do believe that it's time for Leslie Frazier and Sean McDermott to get a divorce, though.  If Frazier wants to continue to coach and be considered for HC positions, he needs to go somewhere else and install a top defense there, out of McDermott's shadow where it's ambiguous who is really responsible for various decisions.

Don't they fire people every year? Fired Rick Dennison after one season too, right?

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Joe Marino stated it on the Locked On Bills podcast. That's the only place I've heard it.

 

I think Joe Marino is usually reliable?  Anyway Thanks for the source.

[Sherlock Holmes]

57 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Oh, Bills.

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I thought SDS had rid the board of certain moderators.

Which ones? 

[Beck Water]

Just now, LeGOATski said:

Don't they fire people every year? Fired Rick Dennison after one season too, right?

 

McDermott *did* fire Rico Dennison and the following year Juan Castillo.  But I think the list of coaching assistants who have "pursued other opportunities" is longer.