Would Cole Beasley come back to Buffalo?

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

You could.  But an intended point I made in another post was that, when given the opportunity to stay on the practice squad and do what the PS guys do with no immediate outlook of making it on to the 53 man roster, in Tampa - Beasley "nope!'d " right outta there.

 

I don't think he's interested in grinding away on the PS at this point.

The Bucs kept reverting him to the practice squad after games and was only eligible for one more elevation from the practice squad when he decided he was done.

[Dopey]

It's like asking:

If a girl split up with an old ass, broke down, redneck, mullet wearing, wouldn't get vaccinated boyfriend who was also just dumped by someone else (the Bucs) and she was doing just fine without him, why would she want him back? Why? It's not like he brought her to a climax(SB)while dating. He's not worth the trouble/aggravation. She can and is doing better without him. just my opinion.

[BullBuchanan]

18 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

This is a bad take.  Beasley was certainly a top slot receiver in the league for his first 2 years in B'lo and arguably instrumental in Josh's development as a QB who could make reads and throw guys open.

 

True that his performance fell off by several metrics (Y/R, 1D etc) last season, and his performance became more inconsistent game to game.

Don't exaggerate my meaning. i didn't say that he was terrible at his peak, I said he "was never that good", and he wasn't. He was never an elite player at any point in his career where he never eclipsed 1000 yards, 6 touchdowns and just barely scraped by 350 yards of YAC once. If you needed a player to catch the ball and fall down, he was ok at that, but he had several clutch time drops too on key downs. He was an adequate player that benefited from a system where he saw heavy utilization - not unlike John Brown. He was a top 50 guy for a minute, but not the elite player that folks in Buffalo thought he was. A lot of players would have been as or more successful int he same position.

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, Dopey said:

It's like asking:

If a girl split up with an old ass, broke down, redneck, mullet wearing, wouldn't get vaccinated boyfriend who was also just dumped by someone else (the Bucs) and she was doing just fine without him, why would she want him back? Why? It's not like he brought her to a climax(SB)while dating. He's not worth the trouble/aggravation. She can and is doing better without him. just my opinion.

Didn't you hear? The Bills have no talent on offense and we need to load up to prevent a 20 year Dolphin reign atop the AFCE. I read all of that right here!

Edited December 1, 2022 by FrenchConnection

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, Dopey said:

It's like asking:

If a girl split up with an old ass, broke down, redneck, mullet wearing, wouldn't get vaccinated boyfriend who was also just dumped by someone else (the Bucs) and she was doing just fine without him, why would she want him back? Why? It's not like he brought her to a climax(SB)while dating. He's not worth the trouble/aggravation. She can and is doing better without him. just my opinion.

First off.. weird. 
 

Second.. nobody is watching our offense, in relation to winning a Super Bowl, and thinking “this is fine”. 

[Joe Mama]

Cole Beasley, Manny Sanders, to join Smoke on PS!

[DrDawkinstein]

28 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

LMAO, of course they have better stats than Beasley, they've been on an active roster all season. 

 

And then you claim that's all he was able to produce?  LOL, he literally played NINE snaps all game against GB.  But yes, that's all on him.  ROFL

 

I think you're making it up as you go.

 

So they have been able to make an active roster, and Bease cant make a single active roster across the league, but Bease is better/just as good as they are. Ok. Great logic.

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

So they have been able to make an active roster, and Bease cant make a single active roster across the league, but Bease is better/just as good as they are. Ok. Great logic.

LMAO, you're the one that tried using guy's stats on an active roster to compare to Beasley after I point out the guys that are actually playing and aren't named Diggs aren't exactly tearing it up.  They are, in fact, underperforming expectations.

 

They'd BETTER have better stats than Beasley. 😂

Edited December 1, 2022 by Billz4ever

[BuffaloMatt]

Crowder was the answer - he got hurt

[Dopey]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

First off.. weird. 
 

Second.. nobody is watching our offense, in relation to winning a Super Bowl, and thinking “this is fine”. 

Weird, maybe, but you got the point. The OP started a thread about Cole possibly coming back, no?

Nobody is looking at Cole and thinking "yeah, he's the answer to our SB quest". Maybe McBeane bashers. Ask Tom and the Bucs, who need more help at WR than we do, why he's not there anymore.

[Chicken Boo]

12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

 

Beez has impeccable taste in wine 🤌🏾

 

Opus One 2015 is my fave! 

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Crowder was the answer - he got hurt

Was never a fan of Crowder.  Didn't think he was that great in Wash or NY and never saw what the front office saw in him bringing him here.

[3rdnlng]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

He is washed. It is over. Just leave it be. 

Can you be more specific?

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Weird, maybe, but you got the point. The OP started a thread about Cole possibly coming back, no?

Nobody is looking at Cole and thinking "yeah, he's the answer to our SB quest". Maybe McBeane bashers. Ask Tom and the Bucs, who need more help at WR than we do, why he's not there anymore.

How do you think McKenzie would do in Tampa with Brady?

 

Brady and Beasley have zero chemistry.
 

Josh and, even a washed Beasley, do. 
 

At least we’d have someone in the slot that will go where Josh trusts him to be and not spaz out when the ball hits him in the hands.
 

Our slot WR situation is one of the worst in the league so far this season.   It went from being a huge part of this offense to an absolute joke.  

[Dopey]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

How do you think McKenzie would do in Tampa with Brady?

 

Brady and Beasley have zero chemistry.
 

Josh and, even a washed Beasley, do. 
 

At least we’d have someone in the slot that will go where Josh trusts him to be and not spaz out when the ball hits him in the hands.
 

Our slot WR situation is one of the worst in the league so far this season.   It went from being a huge part of this offense to an absolute joke.  

I think McKenzie would still be on the roster. Unlike Cole. IMO, it's time for Cole to hang 'em up. He's had a good career. Now he can rap or dj, or whatever it he does for fun. He's earned it. 

[Dick_Cheney]

Is Lee Smith available?

[Beck Water]

30 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Don't exaggerate my meaning. i didn't say that he was terrible at his peak, I said he "was never that good", and he wasn't. He was never an elite player at any point in his career where he never eclipsed 1000 yards, 6 touchdowns and just barely scraped by 350 yards of YAC once. If you needed a player to catch the ball and fall down, he was ok at that, but he had several clutch time drops too on key downs. He was an adequate player that benefited from a system where he saw heavy utilization - not unlike John Brown. He was a top 50 guy for a minute, but not the elite player that folks in Buffalo thought he was. A lot of players would have been as or more successful int he same position.

 

I don't believe I'm exaggerating your meaning.  I think I understand it very well.  I just disagree with you, to the point where I think you have a very bad take.

 

I think Beasley was very very good, maybe elite, slot at his peak and he showed it in Buffalo.  "Eclipsing 1000 yds" is not a good metric for a guy who plays almost every snap from the slot.  Guys who grab more yards from the slot are usually guys who play elsewhere 40% of their snaps.

 

I didn't like his public behavior last year, I don't agree with his public stance on a number of issues, but I say "Give the Man his Propers" as a player.  He was a Baller, and in the 2019-2020 window with the Bills, he was in fact a very very good if not elite slot.  Characterizing him as "catch the ball and fall down" is just wrong.  In 2019-2020, ~40% of his yards came after the catch.  In 2020 he was responsible for more than 20% of the team's passing 1D.

 

I don't have the Beasley nostalgia of others. People aren't considering that while it's using the same terminology, 70-80% of the offense is new.  I don't think Dorsey doesn't see the slot position the same way Daboll did, and if 2020 Beasley walked in the door there's no guarantee that he'd be used in the same way that made him so productive in Daboll's offense. 

 

But give the man his propers; at his peak here he was very very good, and saying he wasn't is just a bad take.  Period.

Edited December 1, 2022 by Beck Water

[BuffaloMatt]

8 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Was never a fan of Crowder.  Didn't think he was that great in Wash or NY and never saw what the front office saw in him bringing him here.

He had games against the Bills as a Jet.

[julian]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

He's spent the last several months on social media trashing Buffalo and saying that he's glad he isn't here anymore. So it's actually the opposite of what you're saying - some people who saw him as a hero for his covid stance aren't able to see that he's no longer a starting caliber player and a problem child on top of that.

As with most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. You’re correct about some loving him for his beliefs but the original poster was also correct about many writing him off for those same beliefs, and most in both camps won’t admit it.

 

 Fortunately I believe most people don’t care one way or another and will call it like they see it on the field.

[RocCityRoller]

11 hours ago, Devilmann said:

I’d take Beasley over McKenzie and Shakir any day of the week and to be honest I wish he never left. We need a good slot receiver and McKenzie hasn’t been the answer. 

 

Pretty sure that was supposed to be Crowder. An no, Crowder was not an answer either... I am really disappointed by that pick up.

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, julian said:

As with most things in life, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. You’re correct about some loving him for his beliefs but the original poster was also correct about many writing him off for those same beliefs, and most in both camps won’t admit it.

 

 Fortunately I believe most people don’t care one way or another and will call it like they see it on the field.

 

Davis had the same beliefs as Beasley, just wasn't as public about it, and I haven't seen anyone calling to cut him because of it. The truth isn't in the middle. He became a very public problem on the team, trashed the city and coaching staff on his way out and as recently as last month, and looked completely done as a receiver in his limited time with Tampa. It's over. He isn't welcome back here.

[julian]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Davis had the same beliefs as Beasley, just wasn't as public about it, and I haven't seen anyone calling to cut him because of it. The truth isn't in the middle. He became a very public problem on the team, trashed the city and coaching staff on his way out and as recently as last month, and looked completely done as a receiver in his limited time with Tampa. It's over. He isn't welcome back here.

Like I said most won’t admit it lol…. I wasn’t saying you were in camp A,B or C … but you just planted your flag 

[WyoAZBillfan]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Davis had the same beliefs as Beasley, just wasn't as public about it, and I haven't seen anyone calling to cut him because of it. The truth isn't in the middle. He became a very public problem on the team, trashed the city and coaching staff on his way out and as recently as last month, and looked completely done as a receiver in his limited time with Tampa. It's over. He isn't welcome back here.

Your locker room contacts must keep you well informed. Covid stance🤷🏼‍♂️ free speech, medical freedom.. sure he is/was vocal.

 

 All that said, I still would wager 17 would love to have him on 3 downs. Falling down, stumbling and washed up, that ball likely gets thrown to Beese

[Nitro]

As much as I like Beasley, he is out of football for a reason.  Last year there was a drop off in his play.  Two years ago he was fantastic on third down.  Dorsey has to have plays to utilize the slot WR better.  Shakir is a kid who will surprise if he gets the ball. 

[colin]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

6 catches (of 13 targets) for 60 yards and 4 1st downs over 4 games is "an outsized value"??

 

come on...he was a complete non-factor.

 

 

I think he extended drives and made the D cover underneath stuff.  im just trying to express how what we have behind diggs and davis at wr is so utterly trash that having almost anyone (crowder being like JAG+) to stick in improves our O non linearly.

[LEBills]

Bease would be great to add, he would only need to play in at most like 8 games rather than the 20 game slog that had him broken down the end of 2020 and most of 2021. 
 

I don’t think Brown and Bease are long term fixes but for a few games this season, I think they are talented enough and familiar enough with the team to potentially make this offense much more consistent and dangerous. I guess we will see what happens!

[Mr. WEO]

30 minutes ago, colin said:

 

 

I think he extended drives and made the D cover underneath stuff.  im just trying to express how what we have behind diggs and davis at wr is so utterly trash that having almost anyone (crowder being like JAG+) to stick in improves our O non linearly.

 

He extended 4 drives over 4 games.  

 

McKenzie is better than Sanders in that role than Crowder was. 

[LanderPoke]

yeah bring him back!

[3rdnlng]

4 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

He's washed. He's a punk. He wanted out of Buffalo, and now that he has seen reality of the outside world, wants back in. Tough.

 

If he could play at all, I might be interested. But he's physically done and not worth the hassle.

Seems like a contradiction or if not that, a classic example of situational ethics. 

 

Below, see his stats while with the Bills. If I remember correctly, Beasley was regarded in at least one publication as the top slot receiver in 2020. Regardless, Josh and he seemed to always be on the same page and Beasley knew how to move the sticks. We saw in the most recent game against the Lions when Shakir? and Allen were not on that same page and the WR settled down in the middle of the field when Josh expected him to continue his crossing pattern. Except for a little luck the pass would have been intercepted. Anyway, Beasley was a rock and played for the Bills when he was really hurt and received a bunch of crap because he believed that he should be able to exert some control over what went into his body. 

 

The fact remains that you, I or anyone else on the outside have no clue as to what really transpired between Beasley and the Bills or Bucs. The claim by people that he is washed up has no basis in reality and seems to be more confirmation bias and a fit for a preconceived narrative than something based on fact. 

 

2019Buf15.00-067 778 11.66

2020Buf15.00-082 967 11.84

2021Buf16.00-082 693 8.51

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Seems like a contradiction or if not that, a classic example of situational ethics. 

 

 

Can be said for every single NFL fan with what we know about players and owners and the league in general.

[TheFunPolice]

I always liked Beasley and respected his play.

 

Sadly, the whole vaccination issue became a big political thing, so logic no longer applies. It becomes Red Team vs Blue Team.

 

The good news? The Bills (America's Team) colors are red AND blue, so sign the man and let's get that ring!

[3rdnlng]

58 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Davis had the same beliefs as Beasley, just wasn't as public about it, and I haven't seen anyone calling to cut him because of it. The truth isn't in the middle. He became a very public problem on the team, trashed the city and coaching staff on his way out and as recently as last month, and looked completely done as a receiver in his limited time with Tampa. It's over. He isn't welcome back here.

Seriously? Look at the below Tampa stats and reconcile those with your comments. In 2 games he was targeted 5 times and caught 4 of those from a QB that actually is playing like he's washed up.

 

2022 TB2——5 4 17 4.25—51

 

One might think that based on facts your sentiment that "he isn't welcome back here" is based on something other than stats.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

Seriously? Look at the below Tampa stats and reconcile those with your comments. In 2 games he was targeted 5 times and caught 4 of those from a QB that actually is playing like he's washed up.

 

2022 TB2——5 4 17 4.25—51

 

One might think that based on facts your sentiment that "he isn't welcome back here" is based on something other than stats.

 

You're using 4 catches for 17 yards as evidence of what?

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Can be said for every single NFL fan with what we know about players and owners and the league in general.

So, if O.J. still had the same skills as he had in his prime you'd be OK with bringing him back?

[Don Otreply]

In answer to the thread title question,

 

Answer = yes

 

The real question should be, Would the Bills want him?

 

Answer = a high probability of “no”

[3rdnlng]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

You're using 4 catches for 17 yards as evidence of what?

I'm using 4 catches on 5 targets as a statistic woefully short of making any factual assumptions. Remember, you stated this: "and looked completely done as a receiver in his limited time with Tampa. It's over. He isn't welcome back here." 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Beasley under Daboll could be very different than Beasley under Dorsey.

 

If McKenzie and Shakir can't get open as slots in Dorseys offense, then how would the slow Beasley get open ?

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

So, if O.J. still had the same skills as he had in his prime you'd be OK with bringing him back?

 

What a dumb line of questioning.

[HappyDays]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

I'm using 4 catches on 5 targets as a statistic

 

Yeah I see that.

[Aesop]

Beas was a 3rd down machine. I'd take him back if OBJ doesnt sign.