Turbo44 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I know he's only a 7th round pick, and was deemed a future superstar by Romo yesterday (does Romo watch film??), but literally 80% of Detroit's passing was geared to whomever he was covering. Tight coverage or not, he was constantly burned. Johnson gave up the one 4th down TD, but other than that, it's hard to recall seeing Tre, #47 or Elam all during the game. That's because Goff new he shouldn't challenge them and just go after Dane. If Goff doesn't make a terrible throw on 3rd and one with 30 seconds left, Dane would have burned for a killer TD also. He was also terrible vs Cleveland. Good news is when Tre comes back he'll be on the sidelines. My question is why we didn't see Rhodes yesterday (who was quite good for Cleveland) or more of Elam and 47, with Dane benched?? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 No we don’t, he’s a budding superstar, weren’t you watching the game yesterday? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 'Dane Jackson was Toast' wasn't a good enough thread for you two? 🤨 4 1 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillenger4 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I'd say it's Hamlin who is the weakest player on our D. Hamlin missed 3 tackles that change the drive/game yesterday. Hamlin supposed to cover deep on 2 throws yesterday thus making Dane try to make a brilliant play. Dane was yelling at Hamlin on a few plays yesterday. It's Hamlin creating ALL of the empty route holes for opposing O's. Dane can tackle in open space, hits the receiver at the line, covers like glue. It's when Hamlin blows away in the wind that Dane has to cover and yesterday he got burned because of it. Tre will be the same. We need Hamlin to play better or get Hyde back. Dane is so not the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 You needed your very own Dane Jockson thread? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 The bills have to do something. Teams are just gonna abuse him every week. Belichick is gonna see this on film and go after him next week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 While this may not have needed another thread, it seems like a hot topic. Dane has good coverage skills. He needs to work on his ball skills and getting his head around at the right time. He is not a bust. He is way better #2 than Levi Wallace, but he’s not a #1-type corner. He still has room to grow, in my opinion. Against Detroit, Goff was throwing the ball really well. He surprised me, frankly. I didn’t think he had that in him. His receivers, much like the past couple games, played above their normal ceiling. They had some great catches and the routes and positioning were really good technically. Dane was not out of position much the past several weeks. He just needs to be better closing the deal. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooshocker12 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, NewEra said: You needed your very own Dane Jockson thread? The thread police strike again. Bahahaha 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, Mooshocker12 said: The thread police strike again. Bahahaha The LAMP crowd getting butt hurt again. LOOK AT ME, I CAN MAKE POASTS!! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said: I'd say it's Hamlin who is the weakest player on our D. Hamlin missed 3 tackles that change the drive/game yesterday. Hamlin supposed to cover deep on 2 throws yesterday thus making Dane try to make a brilliant play. Dane was yelling at Hamlin on a few plays yesterday. It's Hamlin creating ALL of the empty route holes for opposing O's. Dane can tackle in open space, hits the receiver at the line, covers like glue. It's when Hamlin blows away in the wind that Dane has to cover and yesterday he got burned because of it. Tre will be the same. We need Hamlin to play better or get Hyde back. Dane is so not the issue. He did despite that video analysis last week extoling the future greatness of Hamlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Dillenger4 said: I'd say it's Hamlin who is the weakest player on our D. Hamlin missed 3 tackles that change the drive/game yesterday. Hamlin supposed to cover deep on 2 throws yesterday thus making Dane try to make a brilliant play. Dane was yelling at Hamlin on a few plays yesterday. It's Hamlin creating ALL of the empty route holes for opposing O's. Dane can tackle in open space, hits the receiver at the line, covers like glue. It's when Hamlin blows away in the wind that Dane has to cover and yesterday he got burned because of it. Tre will be the same. We need Hamlin to play better or get Hyde back. Dane is so not the issue. Like I said about Dane, Hamlin has some real nice skills. The way we are comparing is suspect. If you expect Hyde and get Hamlin, you are going to be very disappointed. Hamlin could be a Hyde with more experience and coaching. He’s clearly not that in year 2. When your top leaders and QBs of the secondary (Hyde) are gone, or severely limited (Poyer), and your best cover guy is - wherever he is in his recovery - you get what we are seeing. This experience is going a long, long way toward their development, but is in no way an even exchange for our starting back end. When only Taron is left in his actual starting position, you’re screwed no matter who you have waiting in the wings. Dane is a decent #2 or a wonderful #3. He’s not ready for #1. Hamlin is a high ceiling backup with lots of potential. He’s likewise not ready for prime time, yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 17 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: 'Dane Jackson was Toast' wasn't a good enough thread for you two? 🤨 That thread had some very subtle differences from this one. This one appears to be quite nuanced. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: Like I said about Dane, Hamlin has some real nice skills. The way we are comparing is suspect. If you expect Hyde and get Hamlin, you are going to be very disappointed. Hamlin could be a Hyde with more experience and coaching. He’s clearly not that in year 2. When your top leaders and QBs of the secondary (Hyde) are gone, or severely limited (Poyer), and your best cover guy is - wherever he is in his recovery - you get what we are seeing. This experience is going a long, long way toward their development, but is in no way an even exchange for our starting back end. When only Taron is left in his actual starting position, you’re screwed no matter who you have waiting in the wings. Dane is a decent #2 or a wonderful #3. He’s not ready for #1. Hamlin is a high ceiling backup with lots of potential. He’s likewise not ready for prime time, yet. Edmunds also shrinks other guys zones due to how rangy and big he is. Working around him was a problem in the first half for Cousins the other week. The change after he went out was notable; flatter and shallower passes in the intermediate routes haven’t been contested in the past two weeks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, Steptide said: The bills have to do something. Teams are just gonna abuse him every week. Belichick is gonna see this on film and go after him next week. What do you recommend? Are there street free agents sitting around in week 12 that are better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said: I'd say it's Hamlin who is the weakest player on our D. Hamlin missed 3 tackles that change the drive/game yesterday. Hamlin supposed to cover deep on 2 throws yesterday thus making Dane try to make a brilliant play. Dane was yelling at Hamlin on a few plays yesterday. It's Hamlin creating ALL of the empty route holes for opposing O's. Dane can tackle in open space, hits the receiver at the line, covers like glue. It's when Hamlin blows away in the wind that Dane has to cover and yesterday he got burned because of it. Tre will be the same. We need Hamlin to play better or get Hyde back. Dane is so not the issue. This is why Leslie Frazier deserves credit, not blame. Dane Jackson, Christian Benford, and Damar Hamlin are recent Day 3 draft picks who should not be starters on any NFL team, much less a Super Bowl favorite team. That's not to say they're useless players - all 3 have had their moments this year (and Hamlin has generally been good in run support). It's just that they are all limited/role player guys pressed into critical roles. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Edmunds also shrinks other guys zones due to how rangy and big he is. Working around him was a problem in the first half for Cousins the other week. The change after he went out was notable; flatter and shallower passes in the intermediate routes haven’t been contested in the past two weeks. You are so very right! Edmunds is a big deal in this defense. Screw all the Edmunds haters here. He is clearly a guy we need on the field today and moving forward. He has stepped up his game big time this year. You can see how much he is missed when he’s not playing. You just cannot ask too much from guys that are good doing their 1/11th but are not capable of covering the entire field. Frankly, no one, even Sauce is. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: What do you recommend? Are there street free agents sitting around in week 12 that are better? Unlikely, but maybe give him some safety help or rotate him with someone else. Honestly I don't know. Hopefully tre starts getting more snaps. We really need him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 28 minutes ago, NewEra said: You needed your very own Dane Jockson thread? 28 minutes ago, Mooshocker12 said: The thread police strike again. Bahahaha Who's this Dane Jockson you reference? All aplogies and sorry for disrupting your day....I read the first 10-15 threads on the site and the "Dane was toast" one was way down the list and I didn't see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said: This is why Leslie Frazier deserves credit, not blame. Dane Jackson, Christian Benford, and Damar Hamlin are recent Day 3 draft picks who should not be starters on any NFL team, much less a Super Bowl favorite team. That's not to say they're useless players - all 3 have had their moments this year (and Hamlin has generally been good in run support). It's just that they are all limited/role player guys pressed into critical roles. Those guys also have a lot of growth potential ahead of them moving forward! 1 minute ago, Steptide said: Unlikely, but maybe give him some safety help or rotate him with someone else. Honestly I don't know. Hopefully tre starts getting more snaps. We really need him We really need Tre, we really need Hyde and we really need a fully healthy Poyer. Right now, we don’t have them. Don’t keep being “one of those guys” on here. You were always a valued poster. You are starting to become another whiner. Look at the film and clean up your game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: That thread had some very subtle differences from this one. This one appears to be quite nuanced. Correct. Dane Jackson was toast is retrospective looking. This one is about the Dane Jackson problem going forward. And with that, I will issue a reminder that last year was our year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Correct. Dane Jackson was toast is retrospective looking. This one is about the Dane Jackson problem going forward. And with that, I will issue a reminder that last year was our year. haha— awesome! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I think the announcers still lean on Dane’s pick 6 against the Ravens in the playoffs.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 46 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: While this may not have needed another thread, it seems like a hot topic. Dane has good coverage skills. He needs to work on his ball skills and getting his head around at the right time. He is not a bust. He is way better #2 than Levi Wallace, but he’s not a #1-type corner. He still has room to grow, in my opinion. Against Detroit, Goff was throwing the ball really well. He surprised me, frankly. I didn’t think he had that in him. His receivers, much like the past couple games, played above their normal ceiling. They had some great catches and the routes and positioning were really good technically. Dane was not out of position much the past several weeks. He just needs to be better closing the deal. Can only say this so many times though.. Zach Wilson played above his ability Kirk Cousins made perfect throws Jacoby Brissett played above his ability Jared Goff played above his ability At a certain point it isn’t everyone else, it’s you … We were able to hide Dane when we had a ton of talent out there. Without that, he’s exposed as the depth corner/fringe starter he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I don't think he's as bad as he has looked the last few weeks. He's usually not in bad position, he's just not making plays on the ball. The injuries to Hyde, Edmunds and Poyer haven't done him any favors, and it certainly doesn't help, either, that he has faced two of the best WRs in the NFC in the last three weeks. I still think he can be a solid 2nd or 3rd CB, but he's still a young CB and they're asking a lot of him right now. I'm not surprised he's struggling, but I also wouldn't give up on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: I think the announcers still lean on Dane’s pick 6 against the Ravens in the playoffs.. wasn’t that Taron? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Can only say this so many times though.. Zach Wilson played above his ability Kirk Cousins made perfect throws Jacoby Brissett played above his ability Jared Goff played above his ability At a certain point it isn’t everyone else, it’s you … We were able to hide Dane when we had a ton of talent out there. Without that, he’s exposed as the depth corner/fringe starter he is. You must admit that some of the quarterback play is more related to non-pressure, though. There’s not too many NFL quarterbacks who can’t thread the needle when given enough time. Even Geno fricken Smith. Okay, maybe not Baker. I can accept what you are saying. I just think a little (not a lot) more of Dane than you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: Don’t keep being “one of those guys” on here. You were always a valued poster. You are starting to become another whiner. Look at the film and clean up your game. LOL what? I don't think I'm the only one who thinks Dane Jackson needs some help or that he isn't cutting it. Also, anyone and everyone would want white playing and making an impact. I actually think our defense has done fairly well considering all the injuries, but Dane has been a liability 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Steptide said: LOL what? I don't think I'm the only one who thinks Dane Jackson needs some help or that he isn't cutting it. Also, anyone and everyone would want white playing and making an impact. I actually think our defense has done fairly well considering all the injuries, but Dane has been a liability Just saying what I’m seeing. No need to harp on the negative. No problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, clayboy54 said: Just saying what I’m seeing. No need to harp on the negative. No problem. I should add its not just Dane Jackson. It's the secondary in general. Really need our starters to get healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Wilde Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) Dane Jackson has a size problem. Looks like he has no arm span to bat those close balls away. I don't believe he belongs in the Bills Secondary from what I've seen of his often victimization. He seems to get picked on and there is good reason for it. I think that is one area they should and could improve on in the Secondary. Edited November 25, 2022 by Reverse Meathead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: wasn’t that Taron? Oh man… yep, my bad! Please disregard my comment completely. Awarded 0 points and may God have mercy on my soul. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Steptide said: I should add its not just Dane Jackson. It's the secondary in general. Really need our starters to get healthy I would remind you that we have only one healthy player in his native position. Taron Johnson. Poyer is a shadow of himself out there right now, with one arm almost literally tied behind his back. Yes, they look pretty weak as a unit. There is a darn good reason for it. Dane is one of those playing out of his native position. There is a huge difference between having to hold down the #1 slot on the outside, and being the #2 guy. Dane is just not THE #1 guy by NFL standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Reverse Meathead said: Dane Jackson has a size problem. Looks like he has no arm span to bat those close balls away. I don't believe he belongs in the Bills Secondary from what I've seen of his often victimization. He seems to get picked on and there is good reason for it. I think that is one area they should and could improve on in the Secondary. Dane is 5'11", Tre is 5'11"; which is the normal height for a DB. Dane's issue is talent and technique...7th rounder for a reason. Beane even said when we picked him, "well we really needed a CB there, so we chose him." Not exactly a ringing endorsement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 At some point didn’t everyone expect for Dane and Benford to get exposed a little? Do we really believe they can just pluck any db and make them an all pro? The defensive pass rush was on fire to start the year, that covered up the lack of talent in the secondary. They’ll play fine if the pass rush ever returns. Let’s not pretend that the last couple years being 100% healthy the secondary didn’t still struggle in key moments when the pass rush was lacking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I guess I am in the minority. Dane is a very solid #2 CB. I would throw out the Vikings game because it was Jefferson, who does that to everyone. And the browns game was a little misleading because Cooper was in the slot a lot (and Brissett was making some crazy throws there too). Dane plays very tight coverage, plays the ball well, and is great in run support. I think he has had some spells of bad luck recently, or QBs making just ridiculous throws. The TD he gave up to Chalk was as perfect coverage you can get and just a perfect throw and catch. Moreover, if the pass rush were better recently, some of his recent flaws would be hidden too. I hope they stick with him. Once Tre and Elam are back, I can see a nice rotation there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Dane is now finding out that being a number one corner is hard. He did good as a two, but now these top guys are making tough catches...his coverage is good, but his ball skills need work. So now it's on him to work on improving that if he wants to keep ascending. If he can't, them he may get pushed down the depth chart by Elam and Tre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Wilde Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Turbo44 said: Dane is 5'11", Tre is 5'11"; which is the normal height for a DB. Dane's issue is talent and technique...7th rounder for a reason. Beane even said when we picked him, "well we really needed a CB there, so we chose him." Not exactly a ringing endorsement They need NBA type wing span like Kevin Durant in there at corner. He has some wing span. Anybody in the NBA would do. 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 hours ago, clayboy54 said: While this may not have needed another thread, it seems like a hot topic. Dane has good coverage skills. He needs to work on his ball skills and getting his head around at the right time. He is not a bust. He is way better #2 than Levi Wallace, but he’s not a #1-type corner. He still has room to grow, in my opinion. Against Detroit, Goff was throwing the ball really well. He surprised me, frankly. I didn’t think he had that in him. His receivers, much like the past couple games, played above their normal ceiling. They had some great catches and the routes and positioning were really good technically. Dane was not out of position much the past several weeks. He just needs to be better closing the deal. This is the best synopsis of Dane. He'll be a very good CB3 behind Tre & Elam but he does need to work on 2 things. Getting his head turned and pass deflections. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Its an entire defense thing for me. Dane has been good in coverage just seems like he is having fits playing the ball. Pass rush hasn't been great lately and allowed wideouts to beat the zone. Defense has been bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 The Elam pick was, among other things, an acknowledgement that Dane Jackson isn't a starting CB. He's just been a starter all season due to the injury bug. Hopefully in the playoffs he'll barely see the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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