NFL Week # 11 - Browns at Bills (Detroit) - Post game thread

[Just in Atlanta]

6 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If this is minor adversity, I don't want to know what major adversity looks like

 

 

Seriously?

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, Maine-iac said:

Run game is what many have thought ............. just hand the ball off more.  On defense our prevent is scary bad ............... like a hot knife through butter bad.  

Then Frazier should put that trash in the dumpster lol...it cost us in kc last year...it cost us against vikes...cost us against Houston 2019 playoffs...cost us in the hail Murray game...too many times has the prevent failed

[AuntieEm]

2 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Not sure what you mean here. We’re saying that the Bills should’ve handled the browns easily. They didn’t. 

 

    I don't need this team to beat all opponents e as silly.  Seems they lose focus when it's too easy.  So let them just steadily keep grinding out the dubs. No bonus points given if you clinch first seed then lose focus to be shaky in playoffs.  

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If this is minor adversity, I don't want to know what major adversity looks like

 

 

 

Go look at the 4-0 and 5-1 Bills teams Fitzy was on under Gailey if you want to find out.

Edited November 20, 2022 by Big Turk

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, BRH said:

Exactly.  We sold out to stuff the run and dared Brissett to beat us, even with a Swiss cheese secondary.  
 

It worked. 
 

How would you all have felt if we locked down the pass and Chubb ran for 250 and three scores?

 

I believe it would be what some would B word about.  So. you can see how this works.  LOL.

[vincec]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

If you truly believe that you should bet big on that.  You would clean up.

I can say I think him having an over 400 yard passing day against the Bills is highly unlikely.

Usually those Thursday games are low scoring and slopping so I'd be looking at the under.

[Scott7975]

19 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

It’s the Eagles

 

The same Eagles that barely beat the Colts today and lost to Washington last week?

[Boatdrinks]

18 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

A SB favorite team like the bills should handle them easily. 

The division rival Dolphins certainly did…

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Just in Atlanta said:

Seriously?

 

Dude, we're down our entire starting secondary, our starting MLB, have a QB with a bum throwing elbow, no viable WR outside of diggs, an interior OL that's been....less than incredible, had a week with multiple illnesses and a snowmageddon that caused the movement of a home game to a neutral site AFTER a two-game losing streak.

 

if that's MINOR adversity, then I don't want to know what MAJOR adversity looks like

 

 

[Just in Atlanta]

2 minutes ago, muppy said:

LOL

Legend

[WotAGuy]

McD needs to ramp back the aggressiveness. Going for two that early in the game was a mistake. If they just kick the point Cleveland has no chance to win at the end.  Take the easy points; Josh isn’t playing with a lot of confidence at this point. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Go look at the 4-0 and 5-1 Bills teams Fitzy was on under Gailey if you want to find out.

Those were bad teams that over-performed.

 

Apples and oranges.

 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, BRH said:

Because they beat the (checks notes) Packers, Bears, and Giants?

The Bills can’t sleep on that team in their building on Thanksgiving. Todays performance may not cut it. Something’s wrong with these Bills right now, starting with Josh Allen. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Dude, we're down our entire starting secondary, our starting MLB, have a QB with a bum throwing elbow, no viable WR outside of diggs, an interior OL that's been....less than incredible, had a week with multiple illnesses and a snowmageddon that caused the movement of a home game to a neutral site AFTER a two-game losing streak.

 

if that's MINOR adversity, then I don't want to know what MAJOR adversity looks like

 

 

 

Talking about in terms of the season with a few losses they shouldn't have had mixed in. Of course this week was crazy. Which makes people focusing on anything other than the fact they won utterly ridiculous.

[Ya Digg?]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

McD needs to ramp back the aggressiveness. Going for two that early in the game was a mistake. If they just kick the point Cleveland has no chance to win at the end.  Take the easy points; Josh isn’t playing with a lot of confidence at this point. 

Going for 2 there is the right play-who cares if you’re up 12 or 13, 2 touchdowns puts you behind. If Gilliam does what he’s supposed to on that ply and actually try to block his guy McKenzie gets in 

[Big Turk]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

The Bills can’t sleep on that team in their building on Thanksgiving. Todays performance may not cut it. Something’s wrong with these Bills right now, starting with Josh Allen. 

 

It's called mid season doldrums. They'll be fine. Really. 

[Scott7975]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Browns actually lost to the chargers haha.

 

But yes, I see your point

 

Oh dang you right.  My vision is blurry right now.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Talking about in terms of the season with a few losses they shouldn't have had mixed in. Of course this week was crazy. Which makes people focusing on anything other than the fact they won utterly ridiculous.

 

I mean, speaking for me personally i'm VERY happy they won, given all that faced them. But I'm not blind to the fact that this is, in fact, a very flawed team that's been winning despite their flaws since week 5 or so

 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, vincec said:

Usually those Thursday games are low scoring and slopping so I'd be looking at the under.

 

I mean, he did have 165 yards passing today.  Betting on the over of 400 has to be big odds.  LOL.

 

It's kind of like many saying Chubb was going to rush for over 200 today (so I heard) and had 19.

 

[AuntieEm]

3 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

McD needs to ramp back the aggressiveness. Going for two that early in the game was a mistake. If they just kick the point Cleveland has no chance to win at the end.  Take the easy points; Josh isn’t playing with a lot of confidence at this point. 

 

  Could be he's giving Allen a chance to regain his confidence.  Better to miss a 2 pt when it's not absolutely necessary at the time you go for it.

 

 

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, Ya Digg? said:

Going for 2 there is the right play-who cares if you’re up 12 or 13, 2 touchdowns puts you behind. If Gilliam does what he’s supposed to on that ply and actually try to block his guy McKenzie gets in 

If they had kicked the point they would have been up 9 instead of 8 at the end. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Budkin said:

Another subpar game for Josh Allen. Something is not ok.

He had a rough first quarter, but I thought he managed the game nicely. Didn’t throw a pick, moved the chains when needed, and let the backs do their thing. Allen doesn’t need to put up Madden numbers to have a decent game. 

[UKBillFan]

I swear more people are hating on Josh now than last week.

 

Last week he cost us the game.

This week, through maturity and adjustments, he helped us win it.

Edited November 20, 2022 by UKBillFan
Every one of my posts needs an edit - through, not thorugh

[PromoTheRobot]

15 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Dude I don’t play madden. I know the reality of a professional league. This is now 4 games where the bills have not looked very good at all. Do you watch other teams. Do the chiefs have stretched like this? 

 

Do you ever watch other games? Ravens barely got by the Panthers. Giants lost, at home, to the Lions. Jets and Pats would have ended 3-3 if not for a punt return TD. Eagles were losing all game to the Colts. Those incredible Vikings are losing. 

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, AuntieEm said:

 

  Could be he's giving Allen a chance to regain his confidence.  Better to miss a 2 pt when it's not absolutely necessary at the time you go for it.

 

 

It was unnecessary at that stage of the game. Same as last week. If he just took the points and kicked the FG Josh would have been playing for the win instead of the tie at the end of regulation 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

He had a rough first quarter, but I thought he managed the game nicely. Didn’t throw a pick, moved the chains when needed, and let the backs do their thing. Allen doesn’t need to put up Madden numbers to have a decent game. 

 

People are spoiled.

Just now, WotAGuy said:

It was unnecessary at that stage of the game. Same as last week. If he just took the points and kicked the FG Josh would have been playing for the win instead of the tie at the end of regulation 

 

If the Bills were more willing to take the FG than "go for the kill" we'd be 9-1 right now. Maybe 10-0. It's not capitulation to take the points.

[TheWei44]

4 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I swear more people are hating on Josh now than last week.

 

Last week he cost us the game.

This week, thorugh maturity and adjustments, he helped us win it.

 

Totally agree - People kept saying all week "no heroball Josh" and "run the damn ball" and then when we do just that, there are some that are still displeased.  Games was not perfect by any stretch, but tons of positives and the final score makes the game look closer than it was

Edited November 20, 2022 by TheWei44

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

I mean, speaking for me personally i'm VERY happy they won, given all that faced them. But I'm not blind to the fact that this is, in fact, a very flawed team that's been winning despite their flaws since week 5 or so

 

 

What are other teams if this team is "very flawed" leading the NFL in offense, 2nd in scoring O, top 10 on D and top 5 in scoring D?

 

Get a clue.

[TheCockSportif]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I swear more people are hating on Josh now than last week.

 

Last week he cost us the game.

This week, thorugh maturity and adjustments, he helped us win it.

If you follow the GDT thread, that's not necessarily a good benchmark.  To sum it up, HC, OC, DC should be fired / left in Detroit.  Allen is terrible, of course.

 

Outside of the GDT context, I don't really see people hating on Josh in this thread.

[Ya Digg?]

3 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

If they had kicked the point they would have been up 9 instead of 8 at the end. 

But that’s not what the thinking is or should be at the time they went for 2. Being up 13 is no different than if you’re up 12 and you give up 2 touchdowns, you’re still losing. It looks bad because they didn’t get in, but you want to be up 14 at that point, not 13

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

I swear more people are hating on Josh now than last week.

 

Last week he cost us the game.

This week, through maturity and adjustments, he helped us win it.

 

Only Bills fans can turn scoring 31 points on 7 consecutive drives into something negative.

[Ya Digg?]

23 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Dude I don’t play madden. I know the reality of a professional league. This is now 4 games where the bills have not looked very good at all. Do you watch other teams. Do the chiefs have stretched like this? 

Yes the Chiefs do have stretches like this-go look at their scores, they have several close games and “ugly” wins. Yeah they have a couple of blow outs but so do the Bills 

[WotAGuy]

I thought the Bills showed a lot of character and poise in weathering a difficult first period.  They dominated after that. Given the injuries and logistical nightmare they endured, it was a really important win. Josh seems to be getting a little swagger back later in the game. 

[muppy]

PERFECT. LmaO. Orchard Park NY

 

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by muppy

[mikemac2001]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Only Bills fans can turn scoring 31 points on 7 consecutive drives into something negative.

There weren’t big play TDs and then we almost blew it at the end with soft d and bad execution

 

thats what upsets people - I saw a slow start and once we woke up kind of controlled it. Refs were getting in the way also 

Edited November 20, 2022 by mikemac2001

[vincec]

2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

But that’s not what the thinking is or should be at the time they went for 2. Being up 13 is no different than if you’re up 12 and you give up 2 touchdowns, you’re still losing. It looks bad because they didn’t get in, but you want to be up 14 at that point, not 13

The question is when is it too early to make those kinds of calculations. It was still the third quarter, so who knows what the points situation is going to be like at the end of the game. It's hard to predict, as you can see by how it turned out.

[WotAGuy]

2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

But that’s not what the thinking is or should be at the time they went for 2. Being up 13 is no different than if you’re up 12 and you give up 2 touchdowns, you’re still losing. It looks bad because they didn’t get in, but you want to be up 14 at that point, not 13

Being up 13 instead of 12 does in fact matter, as you saw at the end of the game where the Browns were within a score and 2-point conversion to tie. Taking the point would have made it a two score game at the end. 

[wjag]

14 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

McD needs to ramp back the aggressiveness. Going for two that early in the game was a mistake. If they just kick the point Cleveland has no chance to win at the end.  Take the easy points; Josh isn’t playing with a lot of confidence at this point. 

 

I more times than not disagree with the 2 point tries.  This game included.  I think coaches leave points on the field way too early in the game.  This one included.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Only Bills fans can turn scoring 31 points on 7 consecutive drives into something negative.

Thank heavens we have you to rescue us from ourselves