Not at the table Karlos Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Been discussed but most people seem to attack anyone that brings it up but Allen has been horrible at reading defenses. He's not seeing defenders that aren't exactly hidden or disguised. These are rookie level mistakes. 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 in 2 weeks after none for like 4 years is quite the turnaround in the red zone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Yep. The saddest part is seeing him regress so quickly too. 3 points all half until the final 40 second drive (after another turnover gives them a lead), only 3 points from Josh & the offense off turnovers (compared to the Vikings who scored every time), a redzone INT, and now an overtime INT to lose the game. This is 3 straight weeks with 2 x INT's, bad ones at that. He's rarely taking what the defense gives him, and consistently throwing dangerous passes into double/triple coverage. It's so sad to watch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Allen has been problem number one with the offense the last 3 weeks. Figure it out kid. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Something is seriously going on with Allen. He seems off, todays lose was on him. He seems distracted or maybe starting to get arrogant. There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 He could've ran no one was there or dumped it to Singletary for 10 yards easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 He could've keeper on running there was no spy anywhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Been discussed but most people seem to attack anyone that brings it up but Allen has been horrible at reading defenses. He's not seeing defenders that aren't exactly hidden or disguised. These are rookie level mistakes. It's a very concerning trend, since the bye week, everything changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Been discussed but most people seem to attack anyone that brings it up but Allen has been horrible at reading defenses. He's not seeing defenders that aren't exactly hidden or disguised. These are rookie level mistakes. He is trying to be too aggressive at the wrong time. 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: Exactly what I said...he could have ran his way into the endzone for us. And even if he didn't he could have dumped it down to Singletary for an easy 8 yards if not a first down...would have made it 3rd and 2. Edited November 13, 2022 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Maybe it’s all rigged ??? Idk anymore a lot of questionable things Happening catches fumbles and throws rough game let’s move on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Einstein said: That's what i said or dumped off to Singletary ever Morris got open under Davis. U only throw that if he's wide open that's it he should've ran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 That throw was unforgivable and Josh is trying to do too much. Just take what the defense is giving you. These offensive coaches have to protect this guy from low percentage throws. The idea is to protect the FG when you’re on the 20 with makeable throws and QB runs. Two weeks, 4 red zone picks. Very concerning, especially with our inept secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Eastport bills said: That throw was unforgivable and Josh is trying to do too much. Just take what the defense is giving you. These offensive coaches have to protect this guy from low percentage throws. The idea is to protect the FG when you’re on the 20 with makeable throws and QB runs. Two weeks, 4 red zone picks. Very concerning, especially with our inept secondary. He just can't make that throw in that situation. Just cannot. It's inexcusable for any QB let alone a guy who was playing at an MVP level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, Eastport bills said: That throw was unforgivable and Josh is trying to do too much. Just take what the defense is giving you. These offensive coaches have to protect this guy from low percentage throws. The idea is to protect the FG when you’re on the 20 with makeable throws and QB runs. Two weeks, 4 red zone picks. Very concerning, especially with our inept secondary. Daboll did a great job working with Allen on this between his 2nd and 3rd seasons. Not sure what the hell the coaching staff has been doing the last few weeks to help him, but my guess is nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Einstein said: The WR on the hash there is open and where the read goes. Allen threw it to the WR to the right with the DB playing underneath Edited November 13, 2022 by peterpan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Einstein said: Looking at this again, Allen may have scored if he ran. He had blockers in the endzone to the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 "thats on me" JA post match press conference 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Einstein said: Interestingly it looks Davis is going to be open if he flattens his route instead of angling towards the endzone. I still don't like the decision to force the throw into traffic though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I really think all the MVP talk has gotten to him. He thinks he has to do this stuff to justify his new position as "the best QB in the league". Earlier in the year an announcer said he was looking like Tom Brady with the smart throws, but he's gone back to Favre 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, RobbRiddick said: I really think all the MVP talk has gotten to him. He thinks he has to do this stuff to justify his new position as "the best QB in the league". Earlier in the year an announcer said he was looking like Tom Brady with the smart throws, but he's gone back to Favre Josh is certainly talented enough. But I agree. He’s just trying too hard to be a super star rather than just be the guy that made him a super star. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: He just can't make that throw in that situation. Just cannot. It's inexcusable for any QB let alone a guy who was playing at an MVP level. You don’t want to limit his aggression but he’s making bad decisions and with a game that is guaranteed to be a tie worst case, he’s throwing it right to the defense. The young secondary is being exposed now and we need some veteran leadership at corner. Look for a lot of these games to be shootouts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, HappyDays said: Interestingly it looks Davis is going to be open if he flattens his route instead of angling towards the endzone. I still don't like the decision to force the throw into traffic though. Its a terrible decision ... someone called it heroball and its hard to argue... Look,, its hard to be too critical because the throw to Knox the pass before was right on the money.. they catch that and its a walk off... He just needs a bit more patience though.. I would have thought he should have learnt that by now.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: Daboll did a great job working with Allen on this between his 2nd and 3rd seasons. Not sure what the hell the coaching staff has been doing the last few weeks to help him, but my guess is nothing. Seems like they think he’s capable of doing anything he wants and getting away with it. Even those great runs in overtime, he was carrying that ball like a loaf of bread. Ball security is everything at the end of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Eastport bills said: Seems like they think he’s capable of doing anything he wants and getting away with it. Even those great runs in overtime, he was carrying that ball like a loaf of bread. Ball security is everything at the end of games. That's just how Josh carries the ball. It scares me to death, too, but he seems to be able to get away with it most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Seems like they think he’s capable of doing anything he wants and getting away with it. Even those great runs in overtime, he was carrying that ball like a loaf of bread. Ball security is everything at the end of games. During his last two seasons under Daboll, Allen had the lowest number of red zone turnovers in the league. Under Dorsey, he's been terrible. It's been a problem for weeks, why isn't the coaching staff addressing it? Sit him down and fix the problems like Daboll did. Edited November 13, 2022 by Perry Turtle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Einstein said: The WR is open Allen just a horrible throw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Its a terrible decision ... someone called it heroball and its hard to argue... Look,, its hard to be too critical because the throw to Knox the pass before was right on the money.. they catch that and its a walk off... He just needs a bit more patience though.. I would have thought he should have learnt that by now.. That’s exactly what it is. The entire first half just felt like 1st down- hero ball 2nd down- throw behind the line of scrimmage 3rd down-hero ball 4th down- punt “oh crap, gotta make up for 3 and out on the next series” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: Seems like they think he’s capable of doing anything he wants and getting away with it. Even those great runs in overtime, he was carrying that ball like a loaf of bread. Ball security is everything at the end of games. Yeah I noticed that too… with the running the ball… You gotta have a bit more conservative mind set when the game is on the line… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, NoSaint said: 4 in 2 weeks after none for like 4 years is quite the turnaround in the red zone Carson Wentz like regression Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, ILBillsfan said: The WR is open Allen just a horrible throw The DB had clear leverage. It never ever should have been thrown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Coaches are ruining him They are also running him into the ground Josh needs a staff that knows how to handle a franchise QB McD does not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, BeastMaster said: Coaches are ruining him They are also running him into the ground Josh needs a staff that knows how to handle a franchise QB McD does not Lmao they have to run Josh MORE in the redzone until he proves he won’t put it in a defenders chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Every single thing about this team and it’s goals is based on Allen being an elite QB. If this guy takes a step back it’s going to change things around here permanently. You can fix a physical injury. Once the head goes for a QB, it’s not going to fix itself. We might be in serious trouble. And this defense sucks. I’m tired of seeing the stats saying we are better then we are on defense. When we need a play or a stop, it doesn’t happen. I hate the play calling on both sides of the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: Lmao they have to run Josh MORE in the redzone until he proves he won’t put it in a defenders chest. He used to be mistake free in the red zone He's getting ruined by this staff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: That's just how Josh carries the ball. It scares me to death, too, but he seems to be able to get away with it most of the time. I love the guy, but these games that are closer than they should be, he’s bouncing off tacklers and a fumble potentially loses it. If the offensive coaches can get him to value the ball, we can be a lot to handle. Picks in the red zone are destructive. 8 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: During his last two seasons under Daboll, Allen had the lowest number of red zone turnovers in the league. Under Dorsey, he's been terrible. It's been a problem for weeks, why isn't the coaching staff addressing it? Sit him down and fix the problems like Daboll did. Maybe now after 2 bad losses, they’ll realize it’s a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: The DB had clear leverage. It never ever should have been thrown. ball was behind the WR ..... I think if the ballis on time and in the right spot it's first and goal at min ....if you call leverage trailin and behind the WR by a yard then so be it but I don't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: He used to be mistake free in the red zone He's getting ruined by this staff The staff isn’t telling him to throw the ball into defenders’ numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Yeah I noticed that too… with the running the ball… You gotta have a bit more conservative mind set when the game is on the line… He’s a smart kid, he’ll look at the film and see how damaging those throws are. The coaches have to demand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: The staff isn’t telling him to throw the ball into defenders’ numbers It's them putting it all on him and letting him be Superman when he needs support and to be coached instead of left to do it all on his own The way they handle him and the offense has screwed him up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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