Coaching Staff has to take a huge blame for yesterday

[BillyBilliams]

Yes, Josh Allen played a clunker.  However, my frustration lies on the coaching staff.  I simply have 2 questions that I'd like for them to answer.  

 

1.  This team has just signed TE Dawson Knox to a 4yr $52M, $20M gtd deal with the thought that he will be an important asset to the passing game. He's a big body that can create mismatches.  He's not a Kelce or a Kittle by no means, but he could play those kind of roles.  If the O-Line is having problems pass blocking, why isn't Knox being used as a safety valve?  Is it scheme?  Is it him not getting separation?  Is it trust?  20 receptions for 183 isn't going to get it done (I'm actually SHOCKED he has 20 catches.  It feels like he maybe has 10).  

 

2.  If the Buffalo Bills were playing the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday, would Jordan Poyer or Matt Milano be playing?  If the answer is yes, then why were they sat out for this game?  Personally, I'm not really worried about the NFC games.   You can lose those and be fine.  However, to sit out most of your important players on defense so they can rest up and "play the long game" can be done against the Vikings, not the Jets or any team in the AFC, and especially the AFCE.  I only say that because Bulldog on WGR550 said he understands them playing the long game and long term health of the team.  The AFC is turning into the logjam that we thought.  It's just with different teams.  Instead of the Raiders, it's the Jets.  Instead of the Broncos, it's the Patriots.  I can see them doing playing the long game with NFC teams, but if they are even at 75%, you have to let them play AFC and divisional opponents.  Poyer even said himself on his Podcast that he'll be ok.  If they play in the game and you can clearly see there is an issue, there is no shame sitting them out and putting Bernard and Johnson in.  But you HAVE to let these guys play if they can.  If they can't, that's another story.  These tiebreakers that we consistently lose has literally cost this team a Super Bowl.

 

 

I'm not a "sky is falling" state right now.  They still control their own destiny.  They win out, it doesn't matter what KC, Miami, Jets does, because Buffalo would still be the 1 seed.  The offense has played bad for 6 quarters now.  If they win that game, we are feeling the exact same way as Chiefs fans are feeling right now.....offense played a clunker, but they got out with a win, and it's hard to win in the league.  However, something needs to be done, and the coaching staff needs to figure it out.  Davis and Knox MUST find a way into this passing game.  They NEED to scheme extension of the run plays (jet sweeps, etc).  Cook has looked good.  We need to see more of him.  

 

 

[Brennan Huff]

The Jets played and coached like it was their Super Bowl, that’s why we lost

[Meatloaf63]

5 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

The Jets played and coached like it was their Super Bowl, that’s why we lost

In both losses this was the case. McDermott needs to do better, the players need to do better both losses were avoidable.

[Casey D]

Also, Jets got to Allen consistently with four-man rush.  Drop seven guys in coverage and not lots of space to get open, especially when Allen was being rushed.

[BillyBilliams]

3 minutes ago, Casey D said:

Also, Jets got to Allen consistently with four-man rush.  Drop seven guys in coverage and not lots of space to get open, especially when Allen was being rushed.

 

And that's where the coaching staff needs to recognize that and implement quick screens, or quick passes for Knox to make plays.  We don't have the luxury to not use a player like Knox.  He HAS to play better.

[Dopey]

5 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

And that's where the coaching staff needs to recognize that and implement quick screens, or quick passes for Knox to make plays.  We don't have the luxury to not use a player like Knox.  He HAS to play better.

If Josh plays better, we win. Simple as that. It's amazing the lack of criticism he received for the game. Somehow the defense and Edmunds was to blame to some here. I watched the game again and neither int by Josh was great defense, it was Josh.

[pocoboy]

33 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

The Jets played and coached like it was their Super Bowl, that’s why we lost

 

The Country Club of Orchard Park will be closed today for green aeration.

[BillyBilliams]

16 minutes ago, Dopey said:

If Josh plays better, we win. Simple as that. It's amazing the lack of criticism he received for the game. Somehow the defense and Edmunds was to blame to some here. I watched the game again and neither int by Josh was great defense, it was Josh.

 

For sure, Josh Allen's mistakes cost the team the game.  However, not recognizing that Josh was under duress the entire game and not going for short routes, instead opting for intermediate and deep routes (which were taken away) is something the coaching staff should have seen and adjusted to.  It blows my mind that we lose when Josh plays bad.  If we have the most complete roster, they should be able to win games when Allen isn't himself.  

[BuffaloRebound]

8 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

The Country Club of Orchard Park will be closed today for green aeration.

‘Hungry and Humble’… except when we’re making business decisions.  

[Nextmanup]

44 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

The Jets played and coached like it was their Super Bowl, that’s why we lost

Every team in the league should automatically assume that level of commitment from the opponent every single week.

 

If we didn't, that's a problem. 

 

If we did, we failed to live up to the challenge.

 

Your comment there is a totally lame excuse, and doesn't fly!
 

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Nextmanup

[pocoboy]

2 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

For sure, Josh Allen's mistakes cost the team the game.  However, not recognizing that Josh was under duress the entire game and not going for short routes, instead opting for intermediate and deep routes (which were taken away) is something the coaching staff should have seen and adjusted to.  It blows my mind that we lose when Josh plays bad.  If we have the most complete roster, they should be able to win games when Allen isn't himself.  

 

I don't think that there is a single position group, player, or coach, who will look at yesterday's game and think to themselves, "Hell man, not MY fault!!!" I can't think of a single player who turned up to their full potential. Humbling.

[BillyBilliams]

Just now, pocoboy said:

 

I don't think that there is a single position group, player, or coach, who will look at yesterday's game and think to themselves, "Hell man, not MY fault!!!" I can't think of a single player who turned up to their full potential. Humbling.

 

It blows my mind how dominating Diggs was in the first half only to be a ghost in the 2nd half.  That's nuts.

[LABILLBACKER]

43 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said:

The Jets played and coached like it was their Super Bowl, that’s why we lost

Did you see Saleh jumping up and down after the game like he's going to Disneyland. Listen these coaches failed Josh by not improving the OL / run game 3 years ago. After Dion we have squat. Cowherd this morning is right. We're still an amazing team but we have no nuance. It's either chuck it deep or nothing. It's either knockout or nothing. The Bills staff is incredibly stubborn. Even when they know to move out of the nickel some, they don't. Even when they know improving the OL will help diversify the team, they don't. Remember how long it took them to realize Peterman sucked. 

[SCBills]

40 minutes ago, Casey D said:

Also, Jets got to Allen consistently with four-man rush.  Drop seven guys in coverage and not lots of space to get open, especially when Allen was being rushed.

 

And people will blame the OL, not realizing that most OL's going up against a good Front 4 will struggle when every play is drop back and wait for long developing routes to be run.  

 

Dorsey needs to take some of the freedom away from Allen if he can't trust Allen to take checkdowns as part of the long game.   Send in plays where the first read is a shallow route or throw to the flat from time to time.  Don't make him think... just dial it up and keep dialing them up until the defense adjusts.  Allen has the strongest arm, maybe ever, doesn't matter when teams are dropping 7 and the DL can pin their ears back and rush. 

[whorlnut]

14 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Did you see Saleh jumping up and down after the game like he's going to Disneyland. Listen these coaches failed Josh by not improving the OL / run game 3 years ago. After Dion we have squat. Cowherd this morning is right. We're still an amazing team but we have no nuance. It's either chuck it deep or nothing. It's either knockout or nothing. The Bills staff is incredibly stubborn. Even when they know to move out of the nickel some, they don't. Even when they know improving the OL will help diversify the team, they don't. Remember how long it took them to realize Peterman sucked. 

I don’t disagree. The crappy effort at building a nasty line has caught up with them. This is what happens when you build a line with late rounders and short term deals. I really like Morse and Dawkins, but everyone else can be upgraded. The jury is out on Brown. He has all the athleticism in the world but he misses a ton of games. 
 

This regime needs to go offense heavy this off-season. We have built a good to great defense and now it’s time to do right by Allen and get him some more help. Thinking a guy like McKenzie would do well in an increased role in replacing Beasley was a huge mistake. 
 

That said…you can bet that the scouts are looking at all the top safeties in the next draft in anticipation we lose poyer. It’s gonna be rinse and repeat. 

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

And people will blame the OL, not realizing that most OL's going up against a good Front 4 will struggle when every play is drop back and wait for long developing routes to be run.  

 

Dorsey needs to take some of the freedom away from Allen if he can't trust Allen to take checkdowns as part of the long game.   Send in plays where the first read is a shallow route or throw to the flat from time to time.  Don't make him think... just dial it up and keep dialing them up until the defense adjusts.  Allen has the strongest arm, maybe ever, doesn't matter when teams are dropping 7 and the DL can pin their ears back and rush. 

A guy like Zach Wilson looked really good yesterday cause they schemed quick hitters for him. Our pass rush had no chance to get home cause the ball was out so quick. 

Edited November 7, 2022 by whorlnut

[Logic]

Everyone should take blame for yesterday. Coaches, players, everyone.

But the coaches shouldn't take any more blame than the players.

It wasn't the coaches' fault that Josh Allen threw two bad picks. The Bills almost certainly would have won had he NOT thrown those two picks.

It wasn't the coaches' fault that Dion Dawkins held (or was called for holding, or whatever) on that 4th quarter sideline laser to Diggs. It wasn't the coaches' fault that Davis dropped that pass that hit him in the numbers on 4th and 21.

Sometimes it's the Xs and Os, sometimes it's the Willies and Joes. This loss is on the whole team, to be sure, but the Willies and the Joes seem to me like they should shoulder the majority of the blame.

[Johnnyp566]

1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said:

The Jets played and coached like it was their Super Bowl, that’s why we lost

This is like the new non-critical thinking way to write off losses these days. 

[Big Turk]

Maybe we should do what the Colts did and fire their HC and hire Eric Wood as interim coach...

[whorlnut]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Maybe we should do what the Colts did and fire their HC and hire Eric Wood as interim coach...

Maybe he would prioritize offense and the oline?

[Big Turk]

Just now, whorlnut said:

Maybe he would prioritize offense and the oline?

 

Maybe...I mean it's not like we aren't still ranked #1 in offense or anything...

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Brennan Huff said:

The Jets played and coached like it was their Super Bowl, that’s why we lost

The Jets are very much in contention in the Division, so calling it their "Super Bowl" is like saying they are out of it.

 

We are 1/2 game up in the loss column on them and Miami, and both of them are 2-1 in the division, while we're 0-2.

 

We are 1 loss away from being in 3rd place.  Not in the Conference...in the Division.

[whorlnut]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Maybe...I mean it's not like we aren't still ranked #1 in offense or anything...

Maybe it’s dude to our qb doing most of the work and not having a great supporting cast too. Diggs is the only guy on this offense I wouldn’t consider upgrading. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, whorlnut said:

Maybe it’s dude to our qb doing most of the work and not having a great supporting cast too. Diggs is the only guy on this offense I wouldn’t consider upgrading. 

 

Maybe it's just people overreacting like they always do anytime everything isn't sunshine and roses here.

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Maybe it's just people overreacting like they always do anytime everything isn't sunshine and roses here.

Or maybe it’s a real issue…

[DQW87]

1 hour ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

 

 

 

   If the Buffalo Bills were playing the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday, would Jordan Poyer or Matt Milano be playing?  If the answer is yes, then why were they sat out for this game?  

 

I agree with this.  The Jets had a couple questionable players that played.  I think James Robinson was even doubtful at one point and he played and scored a TD.  If we are resting players that are just banged up that could be playing it needs to stop. You want a week off then go get the bye week in the playoffs.  Is Tre coming back or not??  Should he be on IR if he's really not ready or are we just saving him? Any more games like this and we'll be on the road for the playoffs with no bye week. 

 

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Everyone deserves blame.  It's a collective effort in a team game of 53 players and a dozen coaches.

[Radar]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

If Josh plays better, we win. Simple as that. It's amazing the lack of criticism he received for the game. Somehow the defense and Edmunds was to blame to some here. I watched the game again and neither int by Josh was great defense, it was Josh.

Agree. But still our defense let them run up the field at the end. A stop down there deep and we could have had good chance of game winning field goal. Not excusing Josh at all but this was a team loss. Further I like McDermott but he's a very average game day coach.

[colin]

if we want to win a super bowl, we simply need production from the TE and RB positions.  we have had red zone issues, our biggest issue by far is turning the ball over.  the only thing that might be able to help w both of those is to give the D something other than Josh throwing deep or running to worry about.  RBs and TEs are on the roster, they have to be schemed and they have to perform.

 

it's just that simple, and i do agree coaching has to correct this.

[BillsFanSD]

1 hour ago, BillyBilliams said:

2.  If the Buffalo Bills were playing the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday, would Jordan Poyer or Matt Milano be playing?  If the answer is yes, then why were they sat out for this game? 

This particular issue has been brewing for a while.  This team seems to take a lot of calculated gambles by sitting players who are banged up but still able to practice, especially against inferior opponents.  I'm not opposed to this philosophically, but eventually one of those decisions is going to come back to bite you, and that obviously happened yesterday.  We almost certainly win a tight, ugly game with Milano in the lineup.

 

When you're already down both your starting safeties and an all-pro corner, it seems a little reckless to sit your best LB too.  

[Success]

I'll get some negative reactions - but we do not have great coaching.

 

We have good coaching.

 

And that's alright. It's hard to find a truly great coach, and I would say there are very few in the league right now.  But our coaches are just a little above average, imo.  They gameplan well, and make decent adjustments, but they're never going to be transcendent or "wow" us.  

[Shortchaz]

Maybe, by not playing white the staff let the team know this game wasn’t important enough. They responded. 

[Meatloaf63]

1 hour ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

And that's where the coaching staff needs to recognize that and implement quick screens, or quick passes for Knox to make plays.  We don't have the luxury to not use a player like Knox.  He HAS to play better.

Pretty much ignored Cook also. These two need to be involved more , sadly Davis isn’t cutting it.

[Believer]

2 hours ago, BillyBilliams said:

  If the Buffalo Bills were playing the Kansas City Chiefs yesterday, would Jordan Poyer or Matt Milano be playing?  If the answer is yes, then why were they sat out for this game? 

 
Agree… Would add Tre’ White to your list… He’s been practicing… He needs to get back into the lineup…

[BillyBilliams]

Just now, Believer said:

 
Agree… Would add Tre’ White to your list… He’s been practicing… He needs to get back into the lineup…

 

I brought this up after week 4.  Godwin has been playing all year.  We are literally close to a year since the injury.  I'm sorry, but Poyer, Milano, and White are taking up way too much cap space to be babying them in.  That's approx $30M give or take in cap space we're just letting slowly come back.  That's about 17% of the cap.  That's 1/5th of our team.....

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Pretty much ignored Cook also. These two need to be involved more , sadly Davis isn’t cutting it.

I'd take the production we got out of Beasley any day over what we are getting from Davis.  Some deep balls every few games and then disappearing for big chucks of time is not what you should be getting from a WR2.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Casey D said:

Also, Jets got to Allen consistently with four-man rush.  Drop seven guys in coverage and not lots of space to get open, especially when Allen was being rushed.

 

that’s when a normal team would run the ball.  Not the Bills.  

[Believer]

9 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

I brought this up after week 4.  Godwin has been playing all year.  We are literally close to a year since the injury.  I'm sorry, but Poyer, Milano, and White are taking up way too much cap space to be babying them in.  That's approx $30M give or take in cap space we're just letting slowly come back.  That's about 17% of the cap.  That's 1/5th of our team.....

Agree… but it’s not so much the ROI that bothers me… It’s the Bills philosophy… Maybe the strategy is to sit these guys so no chance of further injury… and save them for the playoff push… Truth is the absence of their experience, skill set, and leadership on the field hurt the Bills in a game with a top division rival

[Dopey]

8 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

I brought this up after week 4.  Godwin has been playing all year.  We are literally close to a year since the injury.  I'm sorry, but Poyer, Milano, and White are taking up way too much cap space to be babying them in.  That's approx $30M give or take in cap space we're just letting slowly come back.  That's about 17% of the cap.  That's 1/5th of our team.....

Ah, so now we have medical experts here on TBD. 🤣

By the way. Godwin has missed 2 games this year so far.

[BillyBilliams]

2 minutes ago, Dopey said:

Ah, so now we have medical experts here on TBD. 🤣

By the way. Godwin has missed 2 games this year so far.

 

and White has missed 8, and his injury was before Godwin's.....

[Dopey]

Just now, BillyBilliams said:

 

and White has missed 8, and his injury was before Godwin's.....

And?!?

You wrote Godwin has been playing all year. He hasn't. Just a correction.

Again, Ah, so now we have medical experts here on TBD. 🤣

Experts who just guess as to Godwin vs. White's surgery and recovery timeline. 😂