[Name Only Title] Ed Oliver

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5 hours ago, ToBillsFan said:

Who can justify resigning this man?

 

0 sacks 0 effect on the run game. All this in his contract year where he should be destroying everything in his way.

He’s good, if not very good but shouldn’t fetch top dollar. He’s worth bringing back at the right price.

[Billz4ever]

Outside of Von and Rousseau, this entire D-Line, has seemed to get worse and worse each week that goes by.  I don't know if it's due to the rotation they are on or what, but you would think with them getting the frequent breaks from swapping, they would be good and fresh.  This doesn't seem to be the case. Poor tackling, taking themselves out of run plays by not staying home and clogging up their assigned gaps because it seems the focus is more trying to get up field and after the QB, etc.

 

The D-Line was supposed to be a big strength of this team this season, but they seem to be on a downhill trajectory lately.

 

If Von needs to get on them and tell them they each need to start pulling their own weight, I hope he's able to do that and be Von the captain, the leader, and vet, not just Von the nice guy.  

 

Time to get on them, Captain.

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Billz4ever

[CoudyBills]

9 hours ago, Fred Slacks said:

I think Ed Oliver has had like 3 sacks this season called back on CB's holding.  Plenty of pressure up the middle too.  Yesterday's game I think was an outlier for a lot of players on this team.  Oliver will be resigned.

That's Ed's best attribute.  Run defense leaves a bit to be desired.

[GreggTX]

He's a hair's width above average for a NFL starting DT. He won't be selling insurance any time soon and I doubt he'll ever be invited to a probowl. We need to focus more on the OL.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

He's a hair's width above average for a NFL starting DT. He won't be selling insurance any time soon and I doubt he'll ever be invited to a probowl. We need to focus more on the OL.

Correct! And on offensive weapons. No more resources to the defense 

[IndyMark]

17 hours ago, Simon said:

 

> Ed Oliver not only led all DLinemen in tackles yesterday, he had twice as many as anybody else up front. 

     - He had more tackles than all the other DT's on the roster combined

      - The fumble that Epenesa recovered would never have happened without Oliver's play so he also had a hand in a turnover

     -  He also had the hustle play of the day when he sprinted 25 yards downfield on the opposite sideline and saved a 70+ yard TD

 

 

I appreciate the above as I have been super cold on Ed as there is a chasm between his statistics and the eye test.  I have to admit I am likely biased against him due to his underproduction based on his draft pick status (9 overall?), which I know he did not control. 

 

As someone above (GreggTX) states, he is a hair above "average".  No way he is top 10, that is just goofy to consider. But he is not horrible, either.

 

He is replaceable and not worth a heavy re-signing at all. 

 

He seems like a good guy, works hard, but he is inconsistent and while he can hit the quarterback rarely does it have impact.  The image of him sliding down Mahomes as he is trying to sack him, yet, Mahomes stays upright and throws a TD, is quintessentially Ed Oliver.....close, but not close enough.

Edited November 8, 2022 by IndyMark

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

39 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

 

I appreciate the above as I have been super cold on Ed as there is a chasm between his statistics and the eye test.  I have to admit I am likely biased against him due to his underproduction based on his draft pick status (9 overall?), which I know he did not control. 

 

As someone above (GreggTX) states, he is a hair above "average".  No way he is top 10, that is just goofy to consider. But he is not horrible, either.

 

He is replaceable and not worth a heavy re-signing at all. 

 

He seems like a good guy, works hard, but he is inconsistent and while he can hit the quarterback rarely does it have impact.  The image of him sliding down Mahomes as he is trying to sack him, yet, Mahomes stays upright and throws a TD, is quintessentially Ed Oliver.....close, but not close enough.

Ergo, all the "pass rush win rate" foolishness. Sure, he beats his blocker. But he never makes the play.

 

[Billzgobowlin]

Yet we were missing him in the first few games he was injured says a lot of people on here.  I have a feeling he is playing a little injured

[mrags]

If we resign him I’ll be severely disappointed. However I’ll also be disappointed when we draft another defender to replace him. Not addressing the OL or weapons for Josh is going to be an ongoing thing and it angers me 

[hemma]

I think he’s a hard worker, but his arms are 31 3/4”, which is the bottom 7% of DT.  I checked arm length vs performance back before we drafted him and was unable to find an all-Pro DT historically with his length arms or shorter.  Compound that with the fact he’s a bit undersized and I’m not surprised with his output.  

May have been over drafted but bottom line, I think I’d be a pass on pushing big money in his direction, given our other needs.

 

 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

It's amazing how many people watch the same thing but draw such different conclusions 

[T master]

22 hours ago, ToBillsFan said:

Who can justify resigning this man?

 

0 sacks 0 effect on the run game. All this in his contract year where he should be destroying everything in his way.

 

I kind of agree i personal think he's playing out of position he doesn't have enough ass for where he's playing i wish they would tying him as a DE on a few plays given he supposedly has a great first step i think he may be able to be more effective form there .

 

You put what 287 against s0me O linemen at 320 or so unless they are really slow that makes life so much harder on him he's a good player but i don't think he will be wanting much more than what he's worth .

 

They played him at a different position on the D line in college which was where he made a name for him self so try him in different spots & see what he might be able to do they said this is the better position for him but i feel he's undersized where he's at . 

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, IndyMark said:

 

I appreciate the above as I have been super cold on Ed as there is a chasm between his statistics and the eye test.  I have to admit I am likely biased against him due to his underproduction based on his draft pick status (9 overall?), which I know he did not control. 

 

As someone above (GreggTX) states, he is a hair above "average".  No way he is top 10, that is just goofy to consider. But he is not horrible, either.

 

He is replaceable and not worth a heavy re-signing at all. 

 

He seems like a good guy, works hard, but he is inconsistent and while he can hit the quarterback rarely does it have impact.  The image of him sliding down Mahomes as he is trying to sack him, yet, Mahomes stays upright and throws a TD, is quintessentially Ed Oliver.....close, but not close enough.

He’s a better Justin Zimmer. 

[Sharky7337]

23 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Disagreeing is when people say that they think Oliver is "doing his job". What I read so often on here is people flaming on the post, implying that the person isn't a real Bills fan.

Yep.

[ArtVandalay]

On 11/7/2022 at 10:51 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

no he wasn't.

 

he's NEVER performed to the level of his draft selection.

 

I've tried to say this over and over.  People just don't get it.  He's been an average player at best. I wouldn't have given the 5th year option but it's 1 year i understand taking the chance.  No chance he signs an extension though just flat out not worth it. 

 

You'll never get many to admit it because people don't want to be critical of players.... just like Dawson Knox. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

I've tried to say this over and over.  People just don't get it.  He's been an average player at best. I wouldn't have given the 5th year option but it's 1 year i understand taking the chance.  No chance he signs an extension though just flat out not worth it. 

 

You'll never get many to admit it because people don't want to be critical of players.... just like Dawson Knox. 

It's been a battle I've fought since the day he was drafted. You just DON'T draft that position at 9.

 

i wouldn't have felt that way had he been a second rounder.

 

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It's been a battle I've fought since the day he was drafted. You just DON'T draft that position at 9.

 

i wouldn't have felt that way had he been a second rounder.

 

It’s interesting but I’ve never cared when somebody was drafted. It’s sort of like being in a company and not carrying where your degree is from. You’re either going to be a stand out performer on the job or flounder around in the staff workroom. Each year that passes your draft order becomes less and less important. If Ed was going to become a stand out, he already would have. It doesn’t make him a bad person. It’s just reality. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I was opposed to the Oliver pick during the draft. He will likely never live up to his draft status. He appeared to be slowly getting better each year. 

I 100% agree with picking up his option. You control him for another year and delays the decision to commit to him for another year. They can walk away after 2023 with no cap hit. 

Im not even sure he is above average.  If he wants to sign an extension that pays him like a 20-25th starting DT in the league that would be fine. It would be relatively low risk overpay and at least you know what you are getting.

 

Beane needs to draft offense round 1-3. 

[damj]

Whenever I see a player name thread, I think "Oh hell, now HE'S injured"

[JerseyBills]

On 11/7/2022 at 10:45 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Slowly but surely, people are seeing what I've known to be true for years.

 

It's a shame because he has so much potential.  Just very inconsistent