CorkScrewHill Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Aaron is indicating that his teammates are making too many mistakes and those that are should be benched for others. 1) if he didn’t monopolize their salary cap .. perhaps they could have a more talented roster perhaps who made less mistakes. 2) He comes off as a “you guys” person .. hard to want to give all you have for a guy like that. In contrast Pat and Josh are more “us guys”. 3) this should be an internal discussion. Now the team will be scrutinized to determine if people can figure out who Aaron is talking about. A total needless distraction. 4) Aaron has been bad this year .. look in the mirror first. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/25/aaron-rodgers-packers-make-too-many-mistakes-those-guys-shouldnt-be-playing/ So happy we have Josh 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) are josh and pat not also doing #1? Edited October 25, 2022 by BullBuchanan 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, CorkScrewHill said: Aaron is indicating that his teammates are making too many mistakes and those that are should be benched for others. 1) if he didn’t monopolize their salary cap .. perhaps they could have a more talented roster perhaps who made less mistakes. 2) He comes off as a “you guys” person .. hard to want to give all you have for a guy like that. In contrast Pat and Josh are more “us guys”. 3) this should be an internal discussion. Now the team will be scrutinized to determine if people can figure out who Aaron is talking about. A total needless distraction. 4) Aaron has been bad this year .. look in the mirror first. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/25/aaron-rodgers-packers-make-too-many-mistakes-those-guys-shouldnt-be-playing/ So happy we have Josh Nothing new here, he's always been like that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Aaron is indicating that his teammates are making too many mistakes and those that are should be benched for others. 1) if he didn’t monopolize their salary cap .. perhaps they could have a more talented roster perhaps who made less mistakes. 2) He comes off as a “you guys” person .. hard to want to give all you have for a guy like that. In contrast Pat and Josh are more “us guys”. 3) this should be an internal discussion. Now the team will be scrutinized to determine if people can figure out who Aaron is talking about. A total needless distraction. 4) Aaron has been bad this year .. look in the mirror first. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/25/aaron-rodgers-packers-make-too-many-mistakes-those-guys-shouldnt-be-playing/ So happy we have Josh Pat McAffee show -1:49 in Now I don't want to misquote or exaggerate, but I THINK he just referred to fans ("the Green Bay faithful" who are upset with the Green Bay Team and Rodger performance to date as "bitter and angry, wanting to wallow in it for a while like pigs wallowing in *****". Judge for yourself - when the show wraps and I can bookmark a time I'll try to loop back with a more precise time stamp Edited October 25, 2022 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Pat McAffee show -1:49 in Now I don't want to misquote or exaggerate, but I THINK he just referred to fans who are upset with the Green Bay Team and Rodger performance to date as "pigs wallowing in *****". Judge for yourself - when the show wraps and I can bookmark a time I'll try to loop back with a more precise time stamp I think that mirrors what he calls his family.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted October 25, 2022 Author Share Posted October 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: are josh and pat not also doing #1? Actually no .. Josh averages $43 million per year over 6 years; Pat is $45 million per year over 10 years. In several years they will both be huge bargains. Rodgers is $50 million per year for 3 years. One can do a lot with an extra $5 -$7 million in cap to work with. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Aaron is indicating that his teammates are making too many mistakes and those that are should be benched for others. 1) if he didn’t monopolize their salary cap .. perhaps they could have a more talented roster perhaps who made less mistakes. 2) He comes off as a “you guys” person .. hard to want to give all you have for a guy like that. In contrast Pat and Josh are more “us guys”. 3) this should be an internal discussion. Now the team will be scrutinized to determine if people can figure out who Aaron is talking about. A total needless distraction. 4) Aaron has been bad this year .. look in the mirror first. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/25/aaron-rodgers-packers-make-too-many-mistakes-those-guys-shouldnt-be-playing/ So happy we have Josh That has a chance to send that locker room spiraling out of control considering Rodgers has been playing at a sub-replacement player level for much of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Pat McAffee show -1:49 in Now I don't want to misquote or exaggerate, but I THINK he just referred to fans who are upset with the Green Bay Team and Rodger performance to date as "pigs wallowing in *****". Judge for yourself - when the show wraps and I can bookmark a time I'll try to loop back with a more precise time stamp Hey it's "still kind of a free country." and Aaron will treat his fans like ***** if he wants. 🙄 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Packers joining the National Dumpster Fire League here soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Big Turk Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: are josh and pat not also doing #1? Nope, because the cap number is going up huge each year for the next 4 or 5 years due to the new TV contracts. We will be at $300 million by 2026 most likely. At that point, their contracts will be some of the best bargains in the NFL as other QBs continue to get new deals based on the increasing cap. Allen will be taking up 15% of the cap or less by then. Edited October 25, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Hey it's "still kind of a free country." and Aaron will treat his fans like ***** if he wants. 🙄 "We have had some success in prime time games lately....we're the underdog which is a new spot for us" (to my eyes, both said with a "I know better" smirk) AJ Hawk: "what was Washington doing...I give them credit defensively, what were they doing to give you a tough time for your offense?" Rodgers: "Nothing" goes on to say that Washington has good players but "We made so many mental errors, so many mental mistakes...we're not used to playing like that". Says that every week they have double-digit errors. I didn't once hear him use the word "I" in a context of taking responsibility for the loss. It came across to me as detached and disinterested. And again, maybe just to my ears, but I thought he threw his OL and his WR under the bus. Edited October 25, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Regarding your Point #3, keeping this behind closed doors....I assume he's already tried that route and feels he isn't getting anywhere, so he's deliberately taking his complaints public to create a little leverage. I don't blame the guy for wanting to win. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 32 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: Aaron is indicating that his teammates are making too many mistakes and those that are should be benched for others. 1) if he didn’t monopolize their salary cap .. perhaps they could have a more talented roster perhaps who made less mistakes. 2) He comes off as a “you guys” person .. hard to want to give all you have for a guy like that. In contrast Pat and Josh are more “us guys”. 3) this should be an internal discussion. Now the team will be scrutinized to determine if people can figure out who Aaron is talking about. A total needless distraction. 4) Aaron has been bad this year .. look in the mirror first. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/10/25/aaron-rodgers-packers-make-too-many-mistakes-those-guys-shouldnt-be-playing/ So happy we have Josh The tool Brady is of that school as well, because constantly yelling at your O linemen is ever so motivating…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) Any advantage they could get from being the underdog has to be undone by the Bills just posting clips of this cocky douche talking, do any of you want to look bad playing against this #######? Edited October 25, 2022 by Warcodered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, Big Turk said: That has a chance to send that locker room spiraling out of control considering Rodgers has been playing at a sub-replacement player level for much of the year. Rodgers is completing 67% of his passes with 11tds and 3ints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Rodgers is completing 67% of his passes with 11tds and 3ints Have you actually watched the games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Just now, Big Turk said: Have you actually watched the games? I mean one of us has to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Rodgers is completing 67% of his passes with 11tds and 3ints I guess he can soothe himself with those stats as he falls asleep at night. What can he do that's more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Rodgers is one of the worst leaders in the NFL and it has been a huge problem through his career. He’s Jay Cutler with more talent. That’s what he has always been. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I guess he can soothe himself with those stats as he falls asleep at night. What can he do that's more? With an oline in flux and the receivers he's working with? Not much imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: With an oline in flux and the receivers he's working with? Not much imo. You are in perfect harmony with Aaron then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: You are in perfect harmony with Aaron then. To be clear- I was responding to someone who said Rodgers had been playing 'sub replacement level' football. I don't particularly care about how he sleeps at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: To be clear- I was responding to someone who said Rodgers had been playing 'sub replacement level' football. I don't particularly care about how he sleeps at night. To be clear - you were responding to me. I said: "I guess he can soothe himself with those stats as he falls asleep at night. What can he do that's more?" Your response is "with an oline in flux and the receivers he's working with? Not much IMO" That appears to be Rodger's conclusion as well. Thus my comment that you and he appear to be in harmony. Edited October 25, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: To be clear - you were responding to me. I said: "I guess he can soothe himself with those stats as he falls asleep at night. What can he do that's more?" Your response is "with an oline in flux and the receivers he's working with? Not much IMO" That appears to be Rodger's conclusion as well lmfao ok. Good synopsis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Nothing wrong with what Rodgers said. Direct-speak can be an effective leadership style and a champion and back-to-back reigning MVP has earned the right to take that approach. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: The tool Brady is of that school as well, because constantly yelling at your O linemen is ever so motivating…, Yes, Brady yelled at his offensive linemen last week, but I think that he's historically been a pretty good team player and I think that he's a guy that is willing to take the blame on himself. I'm not providing any hard evidence - it's just an opinion from watching a lot of football over the years. Also, guys were lining up to sign with Tampa when Brady went down there so they could play with Brady and potentially win a Super Bowl. It worked out pretty well for them. His 7 Super Bowl titles and tremendous team success also speaks to him being a great leader, love him or hate him. I also think that Brady, on mulitiple occasions, took less than his market value in salary so that the team would have money to sign other players. Rodgers, on the other hand, as this thread points out, is a total douche and despite his tremendous talent, has not achieved the same level of team success that Brady has. Off the top of my head, Brady has played in 10 Super Bowls and won 7 and Rodgers has only made it to the Super Bowl once (winning it), despite getting close many times. Edited October 25, 2022 by msw2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Airseven said: Nothing wrong with what Rodgers said. Direct-speak can be an effective leadership style and a champion and back-to-back reigning MVP has earned the right to take that approach. I know it's in vogue to criticize A A Ron, but I think what he said here is fine. Constructive criticism can be a good thing. Do you want all your leaders to blow smoke up your ass and tell you that you're doing a great job when you're clearly not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Airseven said: Nothing wrong with what Rodgers said. Direct-speak can be an effective leadership style and a champion and back-to-back reigning MVP has earned the right to take that approach. But you can’t tell the truth these days. You have to cater to weak minded pansies who get offended about everything. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I know it's in vogue to criticize A A Ron, but I think what he said here is fine. Constructive criticism can be a good thing. Do you want all your leaders to blow smoke up your ass and tell you that you're doing a great job when you're clearly not? There's a lot of real estate between constructive criticism in private, and finger-pointing on the Pat McAfee show. There's also a difference between using "we made a lot of mistakes" in a way that clearly indicates "starts with me, *I* need to look in the mirror and see what else *I* can contribute or whether *I* can do something different, now what can *you* do?" vs using "we made a lot of mistakes" in a context that clearly means "those other guys made a lot of mistakes and maybe they shouldn't be playing" IMHO, when you take the window dressing off, that amounts to throwing your teammates under the bus in public and it's not pretty Now it's possible that there is absolutely no aspect of his play that Aaron Rodgers could possibly look at and improve, but I doubt it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 19 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: But you can’t tell the truth these days. You have to cater to weak minded pansies who get offended about everything. When you're part of a team particularly a leadership position you should care about how what you say effects the other members and how that in turn effects the team as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: The tool Brady is of that school as well, because constantly yelling at your O linemen is ever so motivating…, 7 rings says so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, msw2112 said: Yes, Brady yelled at his offensive linemen last week, but I think that he's historically been a pretty good team player and I think that he's a guy that is willing to take the blame on himself. I'm not providing any hard evidence - it's just an opinion from watching a lot of football over the years. Also, guys were lining up to sign with Tampa when Brady went down there so they could play with Brady and potentially win a Super Bowl. It worked out pretty well for them. His 7 Super Bowl titles and tremendous team success also speaks to him being a great leader, love him or hate him. I also think that Brady, on mulitiple occasions, took less than his market value in salary so that the team would have money to sign other players. Rodgers, on the other hand, as this thread points out, is a total douche and despite his tremendous talent, has not achieved the same level of team success that Brady has. Off the top of my head, Brady has played in 10 Super Bowls and won 7 and Rodgers has only made it to the Super Bowl once (winning it), despite getting close many times. Every single time Brady has a bad game he acts like a child, it can not be argued otherwise. Now that he has those games more frequently, he through his tantrums deconstructs the most key relationship a QB has, and that is with his O-line, (and his wife 😂) No QB of quality throws his teammates under the bus with the frequency that Brady has been doing it in the past few seasons, Tom’s is and always has been a little b. Rodgers us going down the same road as of late, poor leadership in both cases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, Beck Water said: There's a lot of real estate between constructive criticism in private, and finger-pointing on the Pat McAfee show. There's also a difference between using "we made a lot of mistakes" in a way that clearly indicates "starts with me, *I* need to look in the mirror and see what else *I* can contribute or whether *I* can do something different, now what can *you* do?" vs using "we made a lot of mistakes" in a context that clearly means "those other guys made a lot of mistakes and maybe they shouldn't be playing" IMHO, when you take the window dressing off, that amounts to throwing your teammates under the bus in public and it's not pretty Now it's possible that there is absolutely no aspect of his play that Aaron Rodgers could possibly look at and improve, but I doubt it. Is it really finger pointing when you don't name a position group, let alone an individual player? Every part of his statement is about "we". Not "they" and not any individuals. Maybe he should've said something about "and it starts with *me*" or "*I* need to play better". Personally I find those empty platitudes to be boring and cliche. "We had so many mental errors and mistakes," Rodgers said Tuesday. "It's not the kind of football we're used to playing over the years. There have definitely been seasons where we average four or five, six, maybe seven at the most, kind of mental errors or missed assignments per week. Some weeks you have like four, two sometimes. This season there's a lot more of that every single week. It's double digits every single week. Even on the game, we had like 50 plays or something -- there wasn't a ton of plays, they had 37 minutes time of possession -- a lot of mistakes." Rodgers said on Tuesday it's on the players, not coaches, to take ownership of the team's struggles. "I think when the players really take over, then you're going to see the possibility of us making a run," he said. "I'm not talking about the players usurping power from coaches. I'm talking about we take over. We take ownership of what we're putting on the field. Now, some of that might be in the plan. Some of that might be, hey, 'I really want to do this,' offense, defense, (special) teams, whatever it might be. But the other part is taking ownership of your daily habits and your routines. Just cause we're a young team, we just can't write that off as, 'Oh, we're figuring it out. The rookies are figuring this thing out. Are they gonna go through that rookie wall?' And blah, blah, blah. ... "We need everybody on the same page to make the plays that are possible. We need them Monday to Saturday to put in the time to be ready to play Sunday. Because there's too many times in the game where there's simple, simple things just are not being accomplished." "Guys who are making too many mistakes shouldn't be playing, you know. Gotta start cutting some reps, and maybe guys who aren't playing, give them a chance," he said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: lmfao ok. Good synopsis. Some good, some bad discussed here. Bottom line: Chris is not in sync with you, and thinks Aaron has room to improve. "Settle your ***** feet and throw the ball!" Dobbs drop on 3rd down: "Protection was perfect..why did we not let Sammy Watkins have a chance to make a play down the field? He's wide open. OK, Dobbs is open...and then you throw the ball low and then yell at the sideline and LaFleur "what the ***** are we doing?" I don't know, what the ***** are you doing?" 14 minutes ago, The Wiz said: TIL what "boofing" is. Never say TBD isn't educational. PS 🤣 Edited October 25, 2022 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Rodgers is one of the worst leaders in the NFL and it has been a huge problem through his career. He’s Jay Cutler with more talent. That’s what he has always been. He learned from his mentor Brett Favre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Is it really finger pointing when you don't name a position group, let alone an individual player? Yes, I think it is. You aren't finger pointing at a particular player, true. But do you really think Rodgers is including himself with those players who are making mistakes and shouldn't be playing? I don't. He's pointing at his OL and his skill players. He made that pretty clear later on in the interview. YMMV Edited October 25, 2022 by Beck Water 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Just now, HappyDays said: He learned from his mentor Brett Favre. Mississippi suddenly feels nervous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 20 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He learned from his mentor Brett Favre. Favre was a WAY better leader. That may not be saying a lot because he had his own hang ups near the end, but Favre at least inspired dudes with his play. Rodgers is a negative. He brings his teammates down. I can’t remember the LAST TIME a QB went on the media the day or two after a disappointing loss and pointed out that his game grade was “good.” Like that’s just so bizarre. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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