The curious case of: Devin Singletary

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Heels20X6 said:

 And miles better than Moss at it.

In pass protection?  
 

not really

[TheFunPolice]

I'm a huge Singletary fan. The guy has an amazing work ethic, never stops trying to get better, and even hired a speed coach to try to get faster. 

 

He makes plays every week for us on offense, both catching and running. He has elite elusiveness and a good burst. It's the lack of top end speed that keeps him from being great, but IMO he is a very good back.

 

He'll never be a top RB in the NFL for that reason, but he has a lot of value and does a lot of things well. 

 

It should be Singletary as #1 and Cook as #2, with the hope being that those roles switch but both are here long-term. 

Edited October 3, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[PrimeTime101]

27 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I was watching the KC game last night where some 7th round pick named Isiah Pacheco was picking up 5.7 yds per carry, and the light bulb flickered:

 

Maybe the problem isn't entirely our RBs. 

Maybe the fact that Bienemy, a former RB, is the OC of the KC Chiefs, has something to do with it.

Maybe our OCs just aren't crafting a very good run game.

the problem is.. we can't confirm or deny if Motor is legit.

Moss just runs into big buts and bounces back.... he needs to be bounced.

Cook is a huge disappointment sp far

[FilthyBeast]

There's no logical reason at this point that Moss should still be active and getting carries.

 

Give Singletary 80% of all the offensive snaps and let Cook get the rest. And if they still don't trust Cook or want to him to play much than cut Moss and bring someone else up from the PS which should have been done anyway with Blackshear before he was poached.

[L Ron Burgundy]

13 hours ago, ganesh said:

In the 1st month we have played some of the best defense's in the NFL (Last year and this year).....It would only be expected that we will be matched against tough opponents.  

I hope that's the reason.  Having an anemic run game will hurt in the playoffs.

[JohninMinn.]

On 10/1/2022 at 4:49 AM, Chandler#81 said:

You blurt out a non-factual statement then tell us to face facts?😳🤦‍♂️

 

Crack cocaine is a terrible thing, man. Call the Help line.👍

If it is not factual name a slower back. Try to up your insult game. Anybody can make a three year old laugh.

[BullBuchanan]

He's a fine back with good elusiveness, vision and balance that can catch. He doesn't have top end speed and he's not a bruiser. He should get Moss' carries, but that's about it. Singletary is the kind of back you don't want as a true #1, but can be a serviceable part of a committee. He'll make far too much money for that role though, so I won't mind seeing him go while we try to upgrade.

Wouldn't be shocked to see the Patriots go after him.

[Simon]

11 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

those who don't agree should answer why would the Bills spend a 2nd rounder on Cook if they truly believed in Moss & Singletary.

 

Because it may well be Bean's philosophy that you fill the RB position with 2nd/3rd round picks on rookie contracts instead of spending big money at the position.

[Beck Water]

15 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Because it may well be Bean's philosophy that you fill the RB position with 2nd/3rd round picks on rookie contracts instead of spending big money at the position.

 

Well, that may well be.  But since we're spending the Big Bucks on Josh Allen to be our Franchise Man, it's a bit of a puzzle why Beane feels 2nd/3rd round picks are OK for the RB position, but 4th/5th/6th/UDFA picks are good enough for the WR position, and only 1 3rd round pick at TE (where we seem might-tee thin) vs 3 at RB?

 

It's a puzzle to me.

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well, that may well be.  But since we're spending the Big Bucks on Josh Allen to be our Franchise Man, it's a bit of a puzzle why Beane feels 2nd/3rd round picks are OK for the RB position, but 4th/5th/6th/UDFA picks are good enough for the WR position, and only 1 3rd round pick at TE (where we seem might-tee thin) vs 3 at RB?

 

It's a puzzle to me.

 

He probably considers Diggs a 1st rounder?

[Maine-iac]

In 2021 only Allen, Davis, Diggs, McKenzie and (you guessed it) Singletary made NextGen stats faastest ballcarrier of the week.  After McKenzie, Singletary had the fastest carry by a Buffalo player in 2021.  Just saying.  I would also add that at least two different episodes of "Angry Runs" last year would argue that Motor shouldn't be underestimated as far as running over and through people.

 

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/top-plays/fastest-ball-carriers/2021/REG/2

Edited October 3, 2022 by Maine-iac

[Beck Water]

On 10/1/2022 at 12:36 PM, 947 said:

Singletary missed the blitz pickup on Josh's strip/sack. After that, I imagine having a patchwork OL that was getting dominated led to Moss getting more plays due to his pass-pro skills.

 

I think it's more complicated than that.  Cover1 and I think? Brett Kollman did some stuff on it ( but I can't find it in 5 minutes of looking)

 

IIRC and if I don't I'm sure someone will put me right, the Bills were dealing with the Dolphins pressures by sliding the line and having Singletary release into the flat for a quick pass.  Except on the strip sack, the Dolphins sent one more guy to that side than the Bills were prepared to block.

[BillMafia716ix]

I don’t know what this coaching staff issue is with Singletary he’s clearly the superior back over Moss and Cook. He’s been the best back the last 3 years and they still want to split his carries. It’s baffling too me. 
 

 

[97bills]

On 10/1/2022 at 9:06 AM, Billsfanatixs said:

Showcasing Moss has been my guess, I will be disappointed with any reason other than that.

I got to ask showcase for what. Because I doubt we could get anything for him. Maybe a devin singletary auto mini helmet. 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

He probably considers Diggs a 1st rounder?

 

I'll accept that for the sake of reinforcing the point.  Since our Franchise Guy needs targets to catch what he's throwing and the Bills offense behaves as though a run game is optional, isn't it a bit peculiar that Beane has invested 2 3rd round and a second round pick in RBs, vs 1 1st-rd equivalent and a bunch of 5th and 6th round picks in those all important WR targets?

[Chandler#81]

8 hours ago, JohninMinn. said:

If it is not factual name a slower back. Try to up your insult game. Anybody can make a three year old laugh.

Then quit laughing, funny boy.
I know a few people from Minnesota. Now I know you. Don’t like any of ya.  Welcome to Ignore. I wasn’t gonna do the obvious work to explain this crap, but you want proof that FBs, H-Backs, Quarterbacks and other RBs are slower, to give this ridiculous take credence.  A dumbass comment doesn’t require evidence to call it a dumbass comment. 
You're time would be better spent getting that melting ice block replaced on the igloo. Winter’s a comin’

Edited October 4, 2022 by Chandler#81

[John from Riverside]

8 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well, that may well be.  But since we're spending the Big Bucks on Josh Allen to be our Franchise Man, it's a bit of a puzzle why Beane feels 2nd/3rd round picks are OK for the RB position, but 4th/5th/6th/UDFA picks are good enough for the WR position, and only 1 3rd round pick at TE (where we seem might-tee thin) vs 3 at RB?

 

It's a puzzle to me.

We gave up a first for digs

[Billy Claude]

If you count a first for Diggs you also need to count a third for Kelvin Benjamin as a day 2 investment.

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Billy Claude

[Calidiehard]

They need to put Moss on the practice squad and bring up Duke Johnson. Roll with Singletary, Johnson, and Cook.

[Magox]

Never saw this angle.  This was right at the end.

 

 

[Niagara Dude]

12 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Because it may well be Bean's philosophy that you fill the RB position with 2nd/3rd round picks on rookie contracts instead of spending big money at the position.

I don't question spending higher picks on RB'S ,  I do question the choices. we have invested 3 higher picks in that position. I still don't see anyone of starter quality and our running game or lack of it is still the Bills biggest question mark. We have had this problem for the past 2-3 seasons and some fans  convinced themselves that Singletary is the guy. That Chiefs playoff game exposed his lack of burst and hitting the hole. Both Moss & Singletary ran 4.65 forties which is slow in this league and it shows up when holes are open and not being able to get to the second level.

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

Never saw this angle.  This was right at the end.

 

 

 

You can probably go through any game and say "look how close......" 5-6 times.

 

[Beck Water]

57 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I don't question spending higher picks on RB'S ,  I do question the choices. we have invested 3 higher picks in that position. I still don't see anyone of starter quality and our running game or lack of it is still the Bills biggest question mark. We have had this problem for the past 2-3 seasons and some fans  convinced themselves that Singletary is the guy. That Chiefs playoff game exposed his lack of burst and hitting the hole. Both Moss & Singletary ran 4.65 forties which is slow in this league and it shows up when holes are open and not being able to get to the second level.

 

I do question spending the higher picks on RB's.  I'm not entirely sure the problem is the RBs.

 

A good quality OL seems able to turn lesser RBs into serviceable ball carriers, especially when the D is scared of the QB.  I don't think Edwards-Helaire and Isiah Pacheco are 14th and 15th for YPA entirely because they're such fantastic RBs; they have a good OL now which is decent at run blocking

 

The same can not be said for the Bills.  Now part of that is the need to mesh together, perhaps, but one can't call the Bills draft investment in OL extensive.

 

E-H ran a 4.6 40 btw; people put a little too much stress on the "underwear olympics" given that in pads and cleats some guys play faster and some slower.  Pacheco was fast though (4.37 40), and plays like it.

 

 

[DapperCam]

My only explanation is load management, because he is clearly the best RB on the roster. Maybe next week we see more Moss and Cook to get them into a groove. We should smoke the Steelers anyway.

[Billsfanatixs]

On 10/3/2022 at 8:52 PM, 97bills said:

I got to ask showcase for what. Because I doubt we could get anything for him. Maybe a devin singletary auto mini helmet. 

 

1 minute ago, Billsfanatixs said:

In hindsight that's exactly what I was thinking. If he had done well or at least ok, maybe it would have worked out well. Lol at the Mini Helmet! 

But who thought Beane could get much for Ford. He's ourMagic Beane

 

Edited October 5, 2022 by Billsfanatixs

[LABILLBACKER]

On 9/30/2022 at 10:51 PM, Freddie's Dead said:

Singletary, for whatever reason, is in the McDoghouse.  He's clearly the superior back (cue the haterz with his low avg per carry because he's been getting hit 5 yards deep in the backfield).  But we all saw the best example in Miami of what happens when Zack Moss inexplicably gets two carries in a row for 1 yard.  Josh coughs up the strip sack, and we hand the Fish 7 points and the ballgame. 

1. Our OL sucks at run blocking 

2. Our RB's are all mediocre with Motor the best

3. Dorsey knows this and has decided to use screens & dump offs as our run attack. 

4. Kromer's impact so far has been underwhelming 

5. Just like last year we'll start pulling guards in the 2nd half of the season in an attempt to generate some D/E gap runs.