Dolphins @ Bengals - TNF Game Thread

[FilthyBeast]

Bengal quietly getting back on track and looking like the team that came within a few minutes of winning a championship last year.

 

Makes this weeks game that much more important for both the Bills and Ravens, especially the latter who going to be battling the Bengals for the division title likely up until the final weeks of the season.

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

His arm is a lot stronger than you think

 

He has at least the same arm strength as a Joe Burrow… And I’ve seen them both live multiple times… in college and pros… tua in HS

 

He has 3x a stronger arm thanMatt Barkley our backup… That’s why one was a top 10 pick and one was a fourth rounder

Tua Throws with touch… That doesn’t mean he can’t sling it

 

Bills fans have become spoiled with Allen because he has an otherworldly arm never seen

 

Sorry I disagree.  It has nothing to do with Allen.  He has the arm strength to put zip on the ball in the middle of the field.  Thats about it. 15+ yards towards the sidelines and downfield he throws rainbows with all his might.

[4merper4mer]

5 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Bengal quietly getting back on track and looking like the team that came within a few minutes of winning a championship last year.

 

Makes this weeks game that much more important for both the Bills and Ravens, especially the latter who going to be battling the Bengals for the division title likely up until the final weeks of the season.

Any chance you watched the Bengals play last night?

[Ta111]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Any chance you watched the Bengals play last night?

I was about to post the same thing. Bengals looked pedestrian most of the night. Their O line is terrible and something isn’t quite right with Burrow.

[Scott7975]

10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I just don’t like people throwing around baseless claims like noodle arm 

 

Noodle arm QBs hardly play in the NFL… Noodle arm quarterbacks hardly get out of college… Noodle arm QBs sit the bench like chase daniels for a decade … or thrown aside like heinicke 

 

I’m willing to give tua a little respect

You can’t necessarily base it on 32 starters… There’s 110 quarterbacks in the NFL

 

So worse than 55 is below average above 55 is better than average

 

And at this point he absolutely has a stronger arm then Matt Ryan and mac jones

 

Probably on par with hurts Who he had just as strong as an arm as in college

 

 

Wrong.  You are labeling him like a franchise QB.  That alone puts him against at most 32 QBs.  Not all 110.

[newcam2012]

10 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

Tua is a meh QB that was handed the most lethal weapon in the NFL - and its made him decent.  And Waddle might be a top 15 WR.  Teddy looked almost just like him outside the last play. 

  

 

I admire Tua the competitor.  100%.  He's just a decent QB. 

 

 

Tyreek Hill's impact on games - there is a reason the Dolphins gave all that draft capital and money.   

I can absolutely say that as a Bills fan QB Tua instills no fear in me. I know Tua will not beat the Bills. 

16 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Bengal quietly getting back on track and looking like the team that came within a few minutes of winning a championship last year.

 

Makes this weeks game that much more important for both the Bills and Ravens, especially the latter who going to be battling the Bengals for the division title likely up until the final weeks of the season.

It's a big game for being early in the schedule. I really don't want the Bills to be 2-2. That isn't horrendous but it just doesn't sit well with me. 

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Good to know where the Dolphins organization stands on the seriousness of concussions 

 

 

McDaniel is an absolute moron. 

 

a concussion isnt serious?  Is it still 1980?

[GolfandBills]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

a concussion isnt serious?  Is it still 1980?

Pretty sure he was referring to spinal injury which is more serious 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

The team doctor can go to the independent neurologist and insist that there was no loss of motor control caused by head injury, simply bc Tua said so. 

 

And unless the independent neurologist finds clear symptoms of concussion that meet the "no go" rules other than loss of motor control, he can't keep him out of the game unless he overrules the team doctor in regards to the loss of motor control. 

 

So the question is, what kind of pressure did the Dolphins team doctor apply to the independent neurologist to rule it a back injury? More to the point, how independent are they? 

 

I think the NFLPA and the general public demand to know. 

The process clearly failed. I believe the concussion rules state that if a player can't play if he exhibits motor skills loss due to a head injury. Come on the play shows exactly that. It's undeniable evidence. This is gross negligence and or flat out fraudulent behavior. Heads should role here. The NFL and medical doctors are looking at multiple lawsuits.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So you are saying that you, watching on TV, knew better than an independent neurologist who undertook an examination? That's fine if that is your position. I'm not going to say that. The NFLPA is entitled to investigate, and I understand why they did that, because of how it looked. But so far there is absolutely no suggestion that the protocol was not followed entirely properly and that there was any suggestion that Tua didn't pass the independent neurologist examination. 

 

Protocol may have been followed but that doesnt mean much.  The protocol itself could be a joke.  Head slamming on the ground and Tuas following reaction to it is clear signs of a concussion.  Sometimes concussion symptoms dont show up for hours or even days.  If anything, they should at least review and revamp the protocol because that was a joke and everyone knows it... including other Drs that have posted about what they thought before the second incident occured.

 

On top of that ... even if it was a "back injury" any back problems that would cause anything like he displayed should be getting scanned.  People get scans from sprained ankles.  This dude shakes his head, loses motor control, and collapses on the field.

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm almost positive Tua signed himself out of the hospital. There is little chance the trauma hospital unit discharged him on his own. No way no how would they take on that kind of liability. He would be at least observed overnight at the hospital. Yet, McDaniel gets on the podium and talks about how things are "rosey" for Tua. That guy is going to get him killed or seriously injured. The NFL doesn't care. If they did Tua would have never played yesterday. 

 

Thats not necessarily true.  They would scan him and if they didnt see any bleeds or anything else that is too serious they could easily discharge him to go home to his own medical care.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I absolutely agree that they demand to know and it absolutely should be investigated. But if what we are suggesting is that the neurologist allowed himself to be pressured by the Dolphins doctors then we have a professional conduct issue quite apart from an NFL process issue. 

 

I will repeat if the Dolphins in ANY way sought to circumnavigate the protocol I would fine them heavily. Strip them of all their draft picks for two years and make them play 4 home games on neutral sites. It needs a strong message sending. I would consider that outrageous. 

I mean the back injury narrative is beyond ridiculous. The Dolphins have a least a certsin amount of culpability. There is no other way to put it. They doubled down and let him play yesterday. 

[UKBillFan]

14 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I can absolutely say that as a Bills fan QB Tua instills no fear in me. I know Tua will not beat the Bills. 

It's a big game for being early in the schedule. I really don't want the Bills to be 2-2. That isn't horrendous but it just doesn't sit well with me. 

I know I keep repeating myself but, just before the season started, being exceptionally pessimistic, I had us at potentially 2-5 before winning the remainder, except maybe the Bengals game. That would leave us on 12-5/11-6 and a good bet for the play offs. The Ravens I had down as a loss so, to me, Sunday isn’t the be all and end all, especially as the Dolphins lost yesterday. 
 

That does not mean I won’t have an emotional over-reaction if we do lose, though!

 

[newcam2012]

25 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Any chance you watched the Bengals play last night?

Agree the Bengals didn't look great. Their oline is still a big concern. Their division is winnable. If their oline improved with time the Bengals should be a tough out. Burrows and his wrs can make plays when it counts. Hope they aren't peaking cone playoff time. Right now, they are struggling and a work in progress. 

8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Protocol may have been followed but that doesnt mean much.  The protocol itself could be a joke.  Head slamming on the ground and Tuas following reaction to it is clear signs of a concussion.  Sometimes concussion symptoms dont show up for hours or even days.  If anything, they should at least review and revamp the protocol because that was a joke and everyone knows it... including other Drs that have posted about what they thought before the second incident occured.

 

On top of that ... even if it was a "back injury" any back problems that would cause anything like he displayed should be getting scanned.  People get scans from sprained ankles.  This dude shakes his head, loses motor control, and collapses on the field.

 

Thats not necessarily true.  They would scan him and if they didnt see any bleeds or anything else that is too serious they could easily discharge him to go home to his own medical care.

Perhaps. I would think a overnight observation would be pretty standard all considering. Even if he received negative results. Maybe I'm wrong. 

[jkeerie]

22 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Protocol may have been followed but that doesnt mean much.  The protocol itself could be a joke.  Head slamming on the ground and Tuas following reaction to it is clear signs of a concussion.  Sometimes concussion symptoms dont show up for hours or even days.  If anything, they should at least review and revamp the protocol because that was a joke and everyone knows it... including other Drs that have posted about what they thought before the second incident occured.

 

On top of that ... even if it was a "back injury" any back problems that would cause anything like he displayed should be getting scanned.  People get scans from sprained ankles.  This dude shakes his head, loses motor control, and collapses on the field.

 

Thats not necessarily true.  They would scan him and if they didnt see any bleeds or anything else that is too serious they could easily discharge him to go home to his own medical care.

Bart Scott said this morning on First Take, that the players all do a baseline concussion test prior to the season.  He said he made sure he did poorly on the baseline test so that he could easily pass it if he had to take it to rule out concussion.   So the protocols can be manipulated.  The players who watched the game all knew Tua was likely concussed last week.  As Bart said, you don't shake your head getting up from a back injury.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, sabres431 said:

For our medical experts in here:  Isn't travelling home(especially flying) immediately after a serious concussion generally frowned upon?

 

it places the spleen at risk for sure

 

[Iverwig]

7 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Bart Scott said this morning on First Take, that the players all do a baseline concussion test prior to the season.  He said he made sure he did poorly on the baseline test so that he could easily pass it if he had to take it to rule out concussion.   So the protocols can be manipulated.  The players who watched the game all knew Tua was likely concussed last week.  As Bart said, you don't shake your head getting up from a back injury.  

Especially when Tua never grabbed his back. I wish I could find it but I seem to remember after the game last week a female reporter interviewed Tua on the field and mentioned a head injury to him. The thing that struck me was he never denied it and say anything about his back. 
 

Tua, the league and the Dolphins are all responsible. Also, to let him fly back on the same night of his most recent injury was not smart. Being released from the hospital or not he should have stayed an extra day for further evaluation in Cincinnati. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

15 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

Those toss runs only work in high school or college.

pretty effective for Mahomes.

[GunnerBill]

57 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Protocol may have been followed but that doesnt mean much.  The protocol itself could be a joke.  Head slamming on the ground and Tuas following reaction to it is clear signs of a concussion.  Sometimes concussion symptoms dont show up for hours or even days.  If anything, they should at least review and revamp the protocol because that was a joke and everyone knows it... including other Drs that have posted about what they thought before the second incident occured.

 

On top of that ... even if it was a "back injury" any back problems that would cause anything like he displayed should be getting scanned.  People get scans from sprained ankles.  This dude shakes his head, loses motor control, and collapses on the field.

 

 

So let me start with this - I am all for strengthening the protocol. I am all for any evidence of a loss of motor functionality means immediate withdrawal of a player from the game. I expect that to be discussed after the season (if not before then) and the rule change to be brought it and I would absolutely support it. I was as surprised as anyone that Tua returned to the game after half time. I thought for sure he was done. I saw the same as everyone else. But for me to believe that he did have a concussion after that incident I have to believe that either:

 

a) the process was not followed to the letter and either the independent neurologist did not examine Tua or that pressure was brought to bear on his finding; or

b) that the independent neurologist screwed up. 

 

b) is not credible to me. If the examination was conducted and they thought there was any chance he had concussion they would not have approved him to go back into the game. If they screwed up it would be a potential professional negligence issue and we are talking careers on the line. So I am not going to substitute an independent neurologist's view after conducting an examination for mine sitting on my sofa. I do believe a) is a credible explanation but nobody so far has uncovered any evidence to suggest that was the case or that the process was not followed to the letter. Which leaves me with maybe he wasn't concussed. That does not, however, mean I think he should have gone back into the game and the protocol absolutely should be looked at. 

 

[White Linen]

11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I just don’t like people throwing around baseless claims like noodle arm 

 

Noodle arm QBs hardly play in the NFL… Noodle arm quarterbacks hardly get out of college… Noodle arm QBs sit the bench like chase daniels for a decade … or thrown aside like heinicke 

 

I’m willing to give tua a little respect

You can’t necessarily base it on 32 starters… There’s 110 quarterbacks in the NFL

 

So worse than 55 is below average above 55 is better than average

 

And at this point he absolutely has a stronger arm then Matt Ryan and mac jones

 

Probably on par with hurts Who he had just as strong as an arm as in college

 

 

I think your delusional about his arm strength.  

[JohninMinn.]

13 hours ago, MPT said:

 

Sarcasm? Because there's no way that's happening. Nor should it. The Dolphins won because of defense and luck, not anything Tua did. Can't punish the other Dolphins players for that.

Sarcasm

[Scott7975]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So let me start with this - I am all for strengthening the protocol. I am all for any evidence of a loss of motor functionality means immediate withdrawal of a player from the game. I expect that to be discussed after the season (if not before then) and the rule change to be brought it and I would absolutely support it. I was as surprised as anyone that Tua returned to the game after half time. I thought for sure he was done. I saw the same as everyone else. But for me to believe that he did have a concussion after that incident I have to believe that either:

 

a) the process was not followed to the letter and either the independent neurologist did not examine Tua or that pressure was brought to bear on his finding; or

b) that the independent neurologist screwed up. 

 

b) is not credible to me. If the examination was conducted and they thought there was any chance he had concussion they would not have approved him to go back into the game. If they screwed up it would be a potential professional negligence issue and we are talking careers on the line. So I am not going to substitute an independent neurologist's view after conducting an examination for mine sitting on my sofa. I do believe a) is a credible explanation but nobody so far has uncovered any evidence to suggest that was the case or that the process was not followed to the letter. Which leaves me with maybe he wasn't concussed. That does not, however, mean I think he should have gone back into the game and the protocol absolutely should be looked at. 

 

 

IMO there is zero chance Tua didnt get concussed on Sunday.  What he displayed is not a symptom of back pain.  It is however definitie symptom of concussion. We know

 

1: he violently bounced his head off the ground

2: he grabbed his helmet for a bit before he got up

3: he shook his head after he got up

4: he lost motor control and collapsed to the ground

 

Any competent Neurologists would have taken him out regardless of whether or not he passed the "how many fingers am I holding up" test (yes I know thats not the real test.). I know you are a professional so you are a little biased in defending other professionals.

 

I totally respect your opinion and I know you are a smart guy but Im not going to agree with you on this one.

 

Full disclosure, I am not a doctor but I am smart.  I have also had concussions.  I have also had back pain.  I have also had severe neck injury and surgery.  I currently deal with a large amount of neurological problems. I feel that is good enough experience to give a educated opinion.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Scott7975

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Any chance you watched the Bengals play last night?

 

I know some fans are looking to minimize anything related to the Dolphins, but the Bengals are a contender even if they still have work to do like a lot of other similar teams.

 

That defense is solid and if their oline can improve even marginally they'll be very hard to beat. It says a lot though they were able to get to the SB last year and almost won it with an average at best oline.

 

Also beating one of the league's best teams means something even if there's an asterisk since Tua left the game early.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Would everyone support a mandatory 1 week rest period after a concussion? 
 

[TBBills]

2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Not trolling at all Just think it's inappropriate given the circumstances and kicking a guy when he's down.

 

But anyways, you do you.

 

Have a good day 

He isn't down though...

4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I know some fans are looking to minimize anything related to the Dolphins, but the Bengals are a contender even if they still have work to do like a lot of other similar teams.

 

That defense is solid and if their oline can improve even marginally they'll be very hard to beat. It says a lot though they were able to get to the SB last year and almost won it with an average at best oline.

 

Also beating one of the league's best teams means something even if there's an asterisk since Tua left the game early.

You are just angry b.c your Dolphims came back down to earth. The luck streak lasted 3 games this season.

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I can absolutely say that as a Bills fan QB Tua instills no fear in me. I know Tua will not beat the Bills. 

It's a big game for being early in the schedule. I really don't want the Bills to be 2-2. That isn't horrendous but it just doesn't sit well with me. 

 

It's not ideal but I had this team at 3-3 after the first 6 before getting hotter down the stretch.

 

Just think it's asking a lot playing back to back road games against SB contenders but then again if the Bills truly fancy themselves one they should be able to split here.

[Warcodered]

9 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I know some fans are looking to minimize anything related to the Dolphins, but the Bengals are a contender even if they still have work to do like a lot of other similar teams.

 

That defense is solid and if their oline can improve even marginally they'll be very hard to beat. It says a lot though they were able to get to the SB last year and almost won it with an average at best oline.

 

Also beating one of the league's best teams means something even if there's an asterisk since Tua left the game early.

Their is always a grey lining to every silver cloud?

[GunnerBill]

37 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

IMO there is zero chance Tua didnt get concussed on Sunday.  What he displayed is not a symptom of back pain.  It is however definitie symptom of concussion. We know

 

1: he violently bounced his head off the ground

2: he grabbed his helmet for a bit before he got up

3: he shook his head after he got up

4: he lost motor control and collapsed to the ground

 

Any competent Neurologists would have taken him out regardless of whether or not he passed the "how many fingers am I holding up" test (yes I know thats not the real test.). I know you are a professional so you are a little biased in defending other professionals.

 

I totally respect your opinion and I know you are a smart guy but Im not going to agree with you on this one.

 

Full disclosure, I am not a doctor but I am smart.  I have also had concussions.  I have also had back pain.  I have also had severe neck injury and surgery.  I currently deal with a large amount of neurological problems. I feel that is good enough experience to give a educated opinion.

 

So you are saying you knew better from watching than the independent neurologist knew from an examination. 

 

Yea. I can't get myself to that place.

26 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Would everyone support a mandatory 1 week rest period after a concussion? 
 

 

Yes. But you would still need Tua to have been diagnosed with a concussion. He wasn't.

[TBBills]

25 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

It's not ideal but I had this team at 3-3 after the first 6 before getting hotter down the stretch.

 

Just think it's asking a lot playing back to back road games against SB contenders but then again if the Bills truly fancy themselves one they should be able to split here.

So they got hot too early, at least you realize they have one hot streak a year and just blew it.

[Dr. K]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So let me start with this - I am all for strengthening the protocol. I am all for any evidence of a loss of motor functionality means immediate withdrawal of a player from the game. I expect that to be discussed after the season (if not before then) and the rule change to be brought it and I would absolutely support it. I was as surprised as anyone that Tua returned to the game after half time. I thought for sure he was done. I saw the same as everyone else. But for me to believe that he did have a concussion after that incident I have to believe that either:

 

a) the process was not followed to the letter and either the independent neurologist did not examine Tua or that pressure was brought to bear on his finding; or

b) that the independent neurologist screwed up. 

 

b) is not credible to me. If the examination was conducted and they thought there was any chance he had concussion they would not have approved him to go back into the game. If they screwed up it would be a potential professional negligence issue and we are talking careers on the line. So I am not going to substitute an independent neurologist's view after conducting an examination for mine sitting on my sofa. I do believe a) is a credible explanation but nobody so far has uncovered any evidence to suggest that was the case or that the process was not followed to the letter. Which leaves me with maybe he wasn't concussed. That does not, however, mean I think he should have gone back into the game and the protocol absolutely should be looked at. 

 

Medical professionals screw up all the time, especially when they are under pressure of time or other circumstances. We don't know the exact circumstances of the examination that went on last Sunday, but I can believe that for one reason or another the person involved screwed up.

 

I hope we will learn more. 

[frostbitmic]

Football wasn't meant to be played on Thursdays. Not enough time to recover from Sunday games and not enough time to prepare for your opponent.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, White Linen said:

 

I think your delusional about his arm strength.  

I think you’re delusional about how weak his arm is

 

His arm Is as strong as Jalen hurts going back to college

 

It’s not a howitzer but it’s not Matt Barkley weak

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Wrong.  You are labeling him like a franchise QB.  That alone puts him against at most 32 QBs.  Not all 110.

Where did I ever say he was a franchise quarterback? 
 

I said Tua is a talented kid who doesn’t have the durability to play in the league

 

That doesn’t sound like a franchise quarterback

 

hes talented … He’s not built to last in the NFL

Edited September 30, 2022 by Buffalo716

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

Medical professionals screw up all the time, especially when they are under pressure of time or other circumstances. We don't know the exact circumstances of the examination that went on last Sunday, but I can believe that for one reason or another the person involved screwed up.

 

I hope we will learn more. 

 

They do not screw up "all the time." In fact they screw up extremely rarely. Because if you screw up all the time you get struck off. I find it not credible that the independent neurologist, if he conducted an examination, screwed up. 

[Scott7975]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think you’re delusional about how weak his arm is

 

His arm Is as strong as Jalen hurts going back to college

 

It’s not a howitzer but it’s not Matt Barkley weak

Where did I ever say he was a franchise quarterback? 
 

I said Tua is a talented kid who doesn’t have the durability to play in the league

 

That doesn’t sound like a franchise quarterback

 

hes talented … He’s not built to last in the NFL

 

Ok he is talented.  So is everyone in the NFL.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Ok he is talented.  So is everyone in the NFL.

Not according to this board

 

Zack Moss isn’t even an NFL caliber running back to some here lol

 

And then I started arguing his arm strength because some people would make you believe He throws a football like Chase Daniel or kellen Moore… He doesn’t have a howitzer but his arm isn’t that weak

Edited September 30, 2022 by Buffalo716

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So you are saying you knew better from watching than the independent neurologist knew from an examination. 

 

Yea. I can't get myself to that place.

 

Yes. But you would still need Tua to have been diagnosed with a concussion. He wasn't.

 

You realize that the independent neurologist doesnt make the final call right?  The team doctor makes the final call.  The independent neurologist is just there to consult.

 

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Added a third UNC who will monitor the broadcast video and audio feeds of each game from the spotters' booth, and notify on-field UNCs of possible head, neck or spine injuries.

 

Defined impact seizure and fencing responses as independent signs of potential loss of consciousness, representing "No-Go" criteria under the current Protocol. Players who display either of these signs at any time shall be removed from play and may not return to the game.

 

Required an evaluation for all players demonstrating gross motor instability (e.g., stumbling or falling to the ground when trying to stand) to determine the cause of the instability. If the team physician, in consultation with the sideline UNC, determines the instability to be neurologically caused, the player is designated a "No-Go" and may not return to play.

 

Yes I am saying they didnt do their job.  Many players, analysts, and other Neurologists share that opinion too so its not just me.

 

Any of this sound familiar?

 

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Potential Concussion Signs (Observable)

Any loss of consciousness;

Impact seizure or "fencing" posture

Slow to get up following a hit to the head ("hit to the head" may include secondary contact with the playing surface);

Motor coordination/balance problems (stumbles, trips/falls, slow/labored movement);

Blank or vacant look;

Disorientation (e.g., unsure of where he is on the field or location of bench);

Amnesia, both anterograde and retrograde;

Clutching of head after contact; or

Visible facial injury in combination with any of the above.

 

 

The team physician makes the call not the independant.  Independant is just there to consult.  People are confused by this because its the independent that makes the call to return if the player was actually put in concussion protocol but not on gameday

 

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A UNC shall be a physician who is impartial and independent from any Club, is board certified in neurology, emergency medicine, physical medicine and rehabilitation, or any primary care CAQ sports medicine certified physician or board eligible or board certified in neurological surgery, and has documented competence and experience in the treatment of acute head injuries. UNCs are appointed by the NFL Head, Neck and Spine Committee in consultation with the NFLPA Mackey-White Committee and approved by the NFL Chief Medical Officer and the NFLPA Medical Director, and have undergone formal UNC training provided by the NFL and NFLPA. At each game, each Club will be assigned a UNC to be present on its sideline who shall be: (i) focused on identifying signs or symptoms of concussion and mechanisms of injury that warrant concussion evaluation, (ii) working in consultation with the Head Team Physician or his/her designee to implement the concussion evaluation and management protocol (including the Locker Room Comprehensive Concussion Assessment Exam) during the games, and (iii) present to observe (and collaborate when appropriate with the team physician) the Sideline Concussion Assessment Exams performed by Club medical staff. The UNCs also will be available to assist in coordinating which physician will accompany a player who is transported to the EAP-designated trauma center for more advanced evaluation and treatment. The UNCs will work with the Club's medical staff and will assist in the diagnosis and care of the concussed player. The Club physician/UNC unit will be co-located for all concussion evaluations and management both on and off the field. The UNC may present his/her own questions or conduct additional testing and shall assist in the diagnosis and treatment of concussions. Regardless, the responsibility for the diagnosis of concussion and the decision to return a player to a game remains exclusively within the professional judgment of the Head Team Physician or his/her physician designee responsible for the diagnosis and treatment of concussion. A UNC will also be present for sideline evaluations for neuropraxia ("stingers" or "burners") and other potential spinal and peripheral nerve injuries.

 

 

They did not do their job period.  Anybody that watched that display of Tua grabbing his helmet, slow to get up, shaking his head, and GMI causing collapse to the ground knows this was not back muscles or legs which would be orthopedic where the head and spine is neurological.

 

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"No-Go" Signs and Symptoms.

If a player exhibits or reports any of the following signs or symptoms of concussion, he must be removed immediately from the field of play and transported to the locker room. If a neutral sideline observer or a member of the player's club's medical team observes a player exhibit or receives a report that a player has experienced any of the following signs or symptoms, the player shall be considered to have suffered a concussion and may not return to participation (practice or play) on the same day under any circumstances:

 

Loss of Consciousness (including Impact Seizure and/or "fencing posture")

Gross Motor Instability (GMI), identified in the judgment of the club medical staff in consultation with the Sideline UNC, who observe the player's behavior, have access to the player's relevant history and are able to rule out an orthopedic cause for any observed instability

Confusion

Amnesia

 

 

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For the avoidance of doubt, the responsibility for the diagnosis of concussion and the decision to return a player to a game remain exclusively within the professional judgment of the Head Team Physician or the Club physician designated as responsible for the diagnosis and management of concussion.

 

All of this was taken from the NFL's own website.

Edited September 30, 2022 by Scott7975

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So you are saying you knew better from watching than the independent neurologist knew from an examination. 

 

Yea. I can't get myself to that place.

 

Yes. But you would still need Tua to have been diagnosed with a concussion. He wasn't.

GunnerBill, it doesn't take a doctor to know Tua suffered a concussion in the Bills game. Scott is 100% correct! The doctors errored in their judgements and who knows why? That's the bottom line. I can definelty go there because the evidence is overwhelming and indisputable. Now let the cover up begin...

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think you’re delusional about how weak his arm is

 

His arm Is as strong as Jalen hurts going back to college

 

It’s not a howitzer but it’s not Matt Barkley weak

Where did I ever say he was a franchise quarterback? 
 

I said Tua is a talented kid who doesn’t have the durability to play in the league

 

That doesn’t sound like a franchise quarterback

 

hes talented … He’s not built to last in the NFL

I think it would be wise for him to retire. My 18 year old boy made a good observation. He said dad Tua throws off his back foot a lot.  His size and being off balance is going to result in moret hitting his head when tackled. 

Edited September 30, 2022 by newcam2012

[Buffalo716]

Just now, newcam2012 said:

I think it would be wise for him to retire. My 18 year old boy made a good observation. He said dad Tua throws off his back foot a lot.  His size and being off balance is going to be subject to hitting his head when tackled. 

That is true

[newcam2012]

51 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Not according to this board

 

Zack Moss isn’t even an NFL caliber running back to some here lol

 

And then I started arguing his arm strength because some people would make you believe He throws a football like Chase Daniel or kellen Moore… He doesn’t have a howitzer but his arm isn’t that weak

You have yet to explain why his long ball throws in the NFL look terrible. Why he throws it so high? I don't see Tua as having a strong arm. Burrows and Hurts throw a much much smoother and tighter long ball. We've seen a big enough sample to say Tua's long ball is pretty bad. Perhaps it's mechanics. 

Edited September 30, 2022 by newcam2012

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

You have yet to explain why his long ball throws in the NFL look terrible. Why he throws it so high? To me I don't see The as having a strong arm. Burrows and Hurts throw a much much smoother and tighter long ball than Tua. We've seen a big enough sample to say Tua's long ball is pretty bad. 

Burrow had a terrible deep ball his rookie year than got chase 

Joe Burrow literally couldn’t  start at Ohio State and I quote urban meyer… “ He throws like a girl”

 

Now players improve… But nobody ever said tua threw like a girl… He replaced Jalen hurts as a true freshman in the national championship game and won it with a 50 yard deep ball… A ball hurts wasn’t making at the time

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Buffalo716