Jake Kumerow high ankle sprain

[MasterStrategist]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

It wasn't the Jags game only because they completed like 15 passes to RB's and kept the chains moving this time..........last year Allen kept trying to push the ball further downfield in Jax.......culminating in the big Gabe Davis drop on the final drive.   Not that 17 points is miles better than 6.

 

The Bills have had a flaw in their passing game..........the YAC guy that can take a short pass to the house..........since John Brown got hurt and then let go.    They miss that legit 4.3 speed.   He had multiple huge such plays.......one against the Ravens, in fact.   You don't need a 50 yard short pass blitz beater very often to discourage defense's from blitzing. 

 

Cook has been meh so far...........beside the fumble in LA he lacks wiggle and while he is fast for a Bills RB he is not fast or elusive compared to the athletes in the secondary and isn't going to break many tackles either.    Cook ran a 4.42 at the combine on a fast track where DB's were laying down record times.    He's not fast enough to win on speed alone.  And the "he's a WR playing RB" stuff was nonsense.   Even huge producing RB receivers like McCaffrey and Kamara aren't getting much more than 8 yards per reception.   That ain't WR production.   It's why slot receivers have really replaced the 3rd down back in the passing game. 

Don't disagree with the YAC guy.  All good points and KC played a similar style defense, not afraid of our WRs. 

 

I do think Cook could give us mismatches, in most situations LBs and Safeties are going to be who he's matched against.  But agree this isn't the same as having a Yac/speed guy in the slot, or outside. 

 

We just have to be more efficient at finishing drives, much more sharp in the redzone/from inside OPP 40 (if we can't hit the homerun plays). We can obviously still move the ball, practically 1 punt or less per game is excellent... but can't be missing out on 10-14 points per game due to poor execution or playcalls.

 

 

[Billz4ever]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

And the hits just keep on comin'.

[Billz4ever]

Not sure when OBJ will be ready, but if we get more WR injuries, we are going to be hurting. He's looking more and more like a yes if Beane can swing it.

 

Gabe didn't really look game ready yesterday either.

[Big Turk]

Unofficial Kumerow Update:

 

Have a friend that lives down the street from him and he said he has seen him out jogging around the neighborhood with his dog the last few days without any wrap or brace on his ankle. Said he appears healthy.

 

What this means in terms of him playing this week or next week is still up in the air obviously. Guess we will see what happens on the injury designation tomorrow.

 

I'm sure he is chomping at the bit to play against his former team.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Big Turk

[Beck Water]

57 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Unofficial Kumerow Update:

 

Have a friend that lives down the street from him and he said he has seen him out jogging with his dog the last few days without any wrap or brace on his ankle. Said he appears healthy.

 

What this means in terms of him playing this week or next week is still up in the air obviously. Guess we will see what happens on the injury designation tomorrow.

 

I'm sure he is chomping at the bit to play against his former team.

 

4-6 weeks said to be pretty typical for a high ankle sprain and this week will be 5 weeks so fits

Also it's the 4th game since he went out, and Bills are pretty good about putting guys on IR if they're going to miss 4 games anyway

[strive_for_five_guy]

Kumerow’s return will send Hodgins back to PS?

[hemma]

Anyone know who replaced him on Special Teams?  

Tough to spot.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Unofficial Kumerow Update:

 

Have a friend that lives down the street from him and he said he has seen him out jogging around the neighborhood with his dog the last few days without any wrap or brace on his ankle. Said he appears healthy.

 

What this means in terms of him playing this week or next week is still up in the air obviously. Guess we will see what happens on the injury designation tomorrow.

 

I'm sure he is chomping at the bit to play against his former team.

Would be a great time to reunite him with his old team for a 3rd pick🤷‍♂️

[Big Turk]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

Would be a great time to reunite him with his old team for a 3rd pick🤷‍♂️

 

highly doubt they kept a player on the active roster for 3 weeks to trade him.

[Solomon Grundy]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

highly doubt they kept a player on the active roster for 3 weeks to trade him.

I’m just thinking future draft capital 

[No_Matter_What]

28 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Kumerow’s return will send Hodgins back to PS?

Not necessarily, Kumerow was on the 53 roster all the time, so no need to cut Hodgins because of him.

 

But if Tre returns someone need to go, that someone might be Hodgins or Bryant. My money is on Bryant, since Crowder is on IR.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

42 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Kumerow’s return will send Hodgins back to PS?

 

Doubtful, think Hodgins more replaced Crowder.  He may not dress on Sunday, highly likely one WR won't be active. 

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

Unofficial Kumerow Update:

 

Have a friend that lives down the street from him and he said he has seen him out jogging around the neighborhood with his dog the last few days without any wrap or brace on his ankle. Said he appears healthy.

 

What this means in terms of him playing this week or next week is still up in the air obviously. Guess we will see what happens on the injury designation tomorrow.

 

I'm sure he is chomping at the bit to play against his former team.

 

Just curious: do all Bills players live in OP?

[Beck Water]

46 minutes ago, hemma said:

Anyone know who replaced him on Special Teams?  

Tough to spot.

 

I actually do not know and would like to.  

 

47 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Kumerow’s return will send Hodgins back to PS?

 

No, we had an open roster spot at WR due to IR'ing Crowder.  It might mean Hodgins being made inactive on game days.

 

The question is more, who we will move to make space for Tre White.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Beck Water

[Codyny13]

14 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Not necessarily, Kumerow was on the 53 roster all the time, so no need to cut Hodgins because of him.

 

But if Tre returns someone need to go, that someone might be Hodgins or Bryant. My money is on Bryant, since Crowder is on IR.

Bryant just signed a 1 year deal last week so he’s no longer on the practice squad. I’m not sure what the ramifications would be, capwise or what, but it’d be silly to sign the guy to an extension to release him the next week.

[strive_for_five_guy]

14 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Doubtful, think Hodgins more replaced Crowder.  He may not dress on Sunday, highly likely one WR won't be active. 

That’s right, thanks

[Big Turk]

17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Just curious: do all Bills players live in OP?

 

My friend lives in West Seneca, but close to the West Seneca/OP line.

[KDIGGZ]

13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Just curious: do all Bills players live in OP?

Khalil Shakir was staying at the home2suites hotel in Cheektowaga after getting drafted. Not sure if he still is but if so I'd guess other younger players or guys that aren't sure how long they will stick around might stay there too during the season and then go back home the day the season ends.

 

Guys that own houses (Beane, McDermott, Josh, Von, Dawson, Tre) live in Orchard Park. I've heard of some guys living in Hamburg or Aurora as well.

[PromoTheRobot]

3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Khalil Shakir was staying at the home2suites hotel in Cheektowaga after getting drafted. Not sure if he still is but if so I'd guess other younger players or guys that aren't sure how long they will stick around might stay there too during the season and then go back home the day the season ends.

 

Guys that own houses (Beane, McDermott, Josh, Von, Dawson, Tre) live in Orchard Park. I've heard of some guys living in Hamburg or Aurora as well.

 

Makes sense to stay close to the stadium in case of bad weather. I know Dion owns a house in Hamburg.  I guess JP Losman was the last Bills player to actually live in Buffalo.

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

Bryant just signed a 1 year deal last week so he’s no longer on the practice squad. I’m not sure what the ramifications would be, capwise or what, but it’d be silly to sign the guy to an extension to release him the next week.

 

Au contraire, that used to be the standard way to elevate guys from the PS before Covid and the rule that allowed teams to elevate 2 players to a game-day 55 man roster and put them directly on the PS afterwards.

 

If they're on your team, you sign 'em to the active roster (1 year contract with no signing bonus) then cut them afterwards.  The Bills have done this several times this season when they needed to pull more injury replacements off the PS than the 2 allowed direct elevations/returns allow.

 

The drawback is if they have less than 4 accrued seasons, they pass through waivers and any team can claim them.  Bryant has been in the league since 2016 and has started 10 games over the last 4 seasons, but I don't think he counts as having "accrued" a season.

 

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Makes sense to stay close to the stadium in case of bad weather. I know Dion owns a house in Hamburg.  I guess JP Losman was the last Bills player to actually live in Buffalo.

 

I think some of the Bills players have lofts downtown.  I know Dawson Knox used to live in a loft apartment in Buffalo and I think so did Matt Milano.  Someone said Knox bought a house this season though.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Beck Water

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don’t know about you guys but I definitely noticed the absence of this special teams ace. Special teams just wasn’t the same.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[No_Matter_What]

25 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

Bryant just signed a 1 year deal last week so he’s no longer on the practice squad. I’m not sure what the ramifications would be, capwise or what, but it’d be silly to sign the guy to an extension to release him the next week.

Well I know he is not on the PS, that's why he is a cut candidate

 

Not sure how long you have been following this but this happens all the time. We have a roster spot so we sign a guy, in this case Bryant. Now an All-pro CB comes back from IR, so we cut somebody from the bottom of hte roster. That happens to be Bryant. I'd be shocked if it was anybody else than him or Hodgins, and since we have another WR on IR, and Bryant is 10th DL and won't even dress unless somebody is injured, he is most likely candidate. It doesn't matter that he was signed recently.

 

Edit: It has no cap ramifications. He has no guaranteed money.

Edited October 25, 2022 by No_Matter_What

[Bangarang]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t know about you guys but I definitely noticed the absence of this special teams ace. Special teams just wasn’t the same.

 

 

Similar impact to Tre White being gone so far this season. Our defense really went down hill.

[Big Turk]

25 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

Bryant just signed a 1 year deal last week so he’s no longer on the practice squad. I’m not sure what the ramifications would be, capwise or what, but it’d be silly to sign the guy to an extension to release him the next week.

 

Likely is on a vet minimum contract with no bonus so I doubt there would be any ramification in terms of dead cap.

[Jamie Nails]

Whaley lived in Buffalo: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/06/buffalo-bills-doug-whaley-house-buffalo-sabres-jack-eichel/

 

I can also say that, with personal knowledge, Shakir is living in a more permanent residence these days

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

17 minutes ago, Jamie Nails said:

Whaley lived in Buffalo: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/06/buffalo-bills-doug-whaley-house-buffalo-sabres-jack-eichel/

 

I can also say that, with personal knowledge, Shakir is living in a more permanent residence these days

 

 

And then Eichel sold it to Tage Thompson at a huge discount after it sat on the market for a while! Those downtown condos aren't that great, I'm surprised they sell for so much. You can buy a sprawling estate for that price but I guess if you are a young guy you don't want to be bothered with the maintenance.

 

Glad to hear Shakir has moved on, I think he can set up more permanent roots now that he is expected to be a piece of the puzzle going forward. Is he closer to the stadium now? I always thought Cheektowaga was probably too far away with traffic but honestly anything in Buffalo area is like 15-20 min away.

Edited October 25, 2022 by KDIGGZ

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

And then Eichel sold it to Tage Thompson at a huge discount after it sat on the market for a while! Those downtown condos aren't that great, I'm surprised they sell for so much. You can buy a sprawling estate for that price but I guess if you are a young guy you don't want to be bothered with the maintenance.

 

Glad to hear Shakir has moved on, I think he can set up more permanent roots now that he is expected to be a piece of the puzzle going forward. Is he closer to the stadium now? I always thought Cheektowaga was probably too far away with traffic but Hines anything in Buffalo is like 15-20 min away.

 

Yeah, no maintenance and they are very close to the rink making for an easy commute to work. Plus in the middle of the nightlife scene down there.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Big Turk

[vincec]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Would be a great time to reunite him with his old team for a 3rd pick🤷‍♂️

We could throw in Zach Moss.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

And then Eichel sold it to Tage Thompson at a huge discount after it sat on the market for a while! Those downtown condos aren't that great, I'm surprised they sell for so much. You can buy a sprawling estate for that price but I guess if you are a young guy you don't want to be bothered with the maintenance.

 

Glad to hear Shakir has moved on, I think he can set up more permanent roots now that he is expected to be a piece of the puzzle going forward. Is he closer to the stadium now? I always thought Cheektowaga was probably too far away with traffic but Hines anything in Buffalo is like 15-20 min away.

 

Yeah, I live in Depew(on the Lancaster side) and literally any place I want to go is like 15-20 mins away.

[blacklabel]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Just curious: do all Bills players live in OP?

 

A fair number of them, yeah. East Aurora, Lakeview, Hamburg, are some other areas. There's a condo community up near the five corners in OP that a lot of rookies and younger players stay at during the season. Some of them have places downtown in the city as well. 

 

I'm not sure if there any guys who live here year round tho. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, blacklabel said:

 

A fair number of them, yeah. East Aurora, Lakeview, Hamburg, are some other areas. There's a condo community up near the five corners in OP that a lot of rookies and younger players stay at during the season. Some of them have places downtown in the city as well. 

 

I'm not sure if there any guys who live here year round tho. 

 

West Seneca also, especially in the area bordering OP.

[Codyny13]

2 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Well I know he is not on the PS, that's why he is a cut candidate

 

Not sure how long you have been following this but this happens all the time. We have a roster spot so we sign a guy, in this case Bryant. Now an All-pro CB comes back from IR, so we cut somebody from the bottom of hte roster. That happens to be Bryant. I'd be shocked if it was anybody else than him or Hodgins, and since we have another WR on IR, and Bryant is 10th DL and won't even dress unless somebody is injured, he is most likely candidate. It doesn't matter that he was signed recently.

 

Edit: It has no cap ramifications. He has no guaranteed money.

Not sure what you mean by how long I’ve been following this, I’ll take that as snark. That being said, I disagree with you, if that’s ok.

[Beck Water]

8 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

Not sure what you mean by how long I’ve been following this, I’ll take that as snark. That being said, I disagree with you, if that’s ok.

 

You said "Bryant just signed a 1 year deal last week so he’s no longer on the practice squad. I’m not sure what the ramifications would be, capwise or what, but it’d be silly to sign the guy to an extension to release him the next week."

 

If you want to disagree that it happens all the time that we sign guys to 1 year deals off our PS then cut them a week or 2 later, that's your perogative, but you're factually mistaken.

 

If you want to assert that it's "silly to sign the guy to an extension (Note: Bryant was NOT signed to an extension, he was a FA on the PS) to release him the next week" that's your perogative too, but factually, that's how it was done to move guys from the PS onto the roster for years prior to Covid, and it's still how it's done when we need more than the 2 "automatic" elevations/returns we're allowed. 

 

Yes, it's OK; you are welcome to disagree and insist it's silly.  That's still how it's done, it's very common.

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

Perhaps the OP can change the thread title to "Jake Kumerow High Ankle Sprain and South Buffalo Real Estate Discussion"? 

I mean, just for clarity and future searches. 

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Kumerow’s return will send Hodgins back to PS?

 

Wave Hodgins?  Some have labeled him as all pro and another team will sign him!

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 9/26/2022 at 7:51 PM, MasterStrategist said:

Don't disagree with the YAC guy.  All good points and KC played a similar style defense, not afraid of our WRs. 

 

I do think Cook could give us mismatches, in most situations LBs and Safeties are going to be who he's matched against.  But agree this isn't the same as having a Yac/speed guy in the slot, or outside. 

 

We just have to be more efficient at finishing drives, much more sharp in the redzone/from inside OPP 40 (if we can't hit the homerun plays). We can obviously still move the ball, practically 1 punt or less per game is excellent... but can't be missing out on 10-14 points per game due to poor execution or playcalls.

 

 

We're up almost a full yard per completion on YAC this season actually.  

 

One thing i notice about the good YAC teams is how much they design good YAC plays.  We run a few here and there, mostly when we're seeing a blitz package.  But they run weird rub routes and stuff to get Kelce open, and even position their guys to block after the catch.  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

5 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Makes sense to stay close to the stadium in case of bad weather. I know Dion owns a house in Hamburg.  I guess JP Losman was the last Bills player to actually live in Buffalo.

 

Thought Dion lived in the city as recall him commenting that he lived near the shooting back in May??

[PromoTheRobot]

27 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Thought Dion lived in the city as recall him commenting that he lived near the shooting back in May??

 

When I had the chance to meet Dion in 2019 he said he just bought a place in Hamburg. He and his wife were expecting.

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, vincec said:

We could throw in Zach Moss.

 

No, no...it has to be Moss and a 5th.  I heard it right here on this board.

Edited October 25, 2022 by Big Turk

[ROCBillsBeliever]

5 hours ago, vincec said:

We could throw in Zach Moss.