FireChans Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: That's partly on the OC too, though. How many times last year did we see a bunch of long developing plays even when the OL couldn't pass block for more than 3 seconds? Dorsey comes in and his first day on the job we're neutralizing the best defensive player of a generation with the quick passing game and well-schemed run game, and only taking deep shots at the right moments. I think Dorsey being a former QB just gets it in a way Daboll never did. It’s been one game lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasaluki Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 It will be interesting to see how the Giants do. I actually am of the opinion that Daboll was good and Dorsey is even better. One thing is for sure Dorsey coached/called an excellent game. That 3rd and 1 TD play was just outsmarting the other team. It's one thing to outsmart a team like the Lions but to make fools out of the Rams is impressive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, FireChans said: It’s been one game lmao Yeah and in that one game I saw Dorsey do things that Daboll never did. I saw a real multiple NFL offense that understood how to put its core players in favorable situations. I promise under Dorsey we will never have a game like 9-6 Jacksonville with 52 called passes to 9 called runs (which is really an unbelievable game script when you think about it). 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Yeah and in that one game I saw Dorsey do things that Daboll never did. I saw a real multiple NFL offense that understood how to put its core players in favorable situations. I promise under Dorsey we will never have a game like 9-6 Jacksonville with 52 called passes to 9 called runs (which is really an unbelievable game script when you think about it). If Dorsey spends 4 years here as OC he will have a clunker somewhere along the line. They all do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If Dorsey spends 4 years here as OC he will have a clunker somewhere along the line. They all do. There's a difference between calling a clunker and losing all common sense. My take is that Daboll never wanted to commit to running the ball and that he and McDermott never saw eye to eye on that point. Against the Rams you saw how that commitment kept the defense off balance. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, HappyDays said: There's a difference between calling a clunker and losing all common sense. My take is that Daboll never wanted to commit to running the ball and that he and McDermott never saw eye to eye on that point. Against the Rams you saw how that commitment kept the defense off balance. Our OL was ass in the Jacksonville game. I will reiterate that it’s one game. But I think Kromer is a massive upgrade in general. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Thanks @BuffaloBillfor posting this and please keep them coming. These threads are why this board is so great! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 14 hours ago, GunnerBill said: If Dorsey spends 4 years here as OC he will have a clunker somewhere along the line. They all do. That's the nature of the game. You always try to draw up a great game plan. Sometimes an opposing team is just going to have a better one. Sometimes the opposing team just has great talent too. 13 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Thanks @BuffaloBillfor posting this and please keep them coming. These threads are why this board is so great! Yes, there is always a game within the game. Love it when fans recognize it and post it here. Kromer's value as a coach is going to be noticed as the year progresses. He's been around for a long time and his history of success is impressive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 This was a good analysis but entirely focused on the good stuff. But the run game Thursday was a mixed bag. Why no analysis of the plays that didn’t work? The video felt a little like a Bills PR production - all optimistic and laudatory- without any balance. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) On 9/10/2022 at 4:38 PM, notwoz said: Some advice or observations, please. I enjoy the Cover 1 videos but wonder if subscribing to its "premium content" is worth it. It's $57 a year, which is not a burdensome amount. But if the site is more sizzle than steak, that $57 might be better spent at the liquor store. Thoughts? personally I wouldn’t pay for a fanboy site besides people post some of his crap here. 8 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: This was a good analysis but entirely focused on the good stuff. But the run game Thursday was a mixed bag. Why no analysis of the plays that didn’t work? The video felt a little like a Bills PR production - all optimistic and laudatory- without any balance. ergo Fan boy blog ——————- PS to the Cover 1 fanboys get over it FFS he deserves criticism. Edited September 11, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 11, 2022 Author Share Posted September 11, 2022 14 hours ago, HappyDays said: There's a difference between calling a clunker and losing all common sense. My take is that Daboll never wanted to commit to running the ball and that he and McDermott never saw eye to eye on that point. Against the Rams you saw how that commitment kept the defense off balance. This may very well be the case. Dabol knew he had something special in JA and wanted to ride this. The problem in my opinion is that JA can’t over the long term continue to take the pounding from the run game. It will impact him physically at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: I love watching film study like this. It's really well explained and helps me enjoy watching the big uglies on the OL and DL during the game. I was not a huge fan of Saffold or Gilliam. I had no idea Saffold was so fast out of his stance, very quick, like Incognito was. Gilliam is a good motion FB in blocking. Almost every big gain by a RB the past few games has Gilliam in the mix. I'm not saying he is Sam Gash, but he is a solid run blocker. Study like this also shows Dawkins is very strong and fairly nimble. Knox has some work to do in run blocking still, but I think that part of his game will be better coached now. I just wish the Bills had a faster RB who could hit those big holes a little faster. Moss is too slow to take advantage. Singletary has just enough juice to get good yards, but not really take advantage of these good blocks. Hopefully Cook gets his act together because he does have speed to take advantage of these schemes and the holes being made. Just read this whole thread and RCR seems the only one to touch on Cook and the threat of his speed becoming the cherry on top to this rushing attack. Every year at the beginning of the season, there are silly over reactions about plays, players and coaches. This year, I see the least of these I think I’ve ever seen on here. Yes, we have a great team which would lead to it. But, we also look prepared right out of the gate, in a level we aren’t used to. This video was great as it shows the beginning of the process while acknowledging there is still work to be done. Gunner Bill was spot on about the elevation of O line talent, for me it’s Saffold and Brown especially. When we are halfway through this season and this line is comfortable with these blocking assignments AND hopefully Cook is comfortably carrying and protecting the ball at this level….. The speed he provides as well as shiftiness to maybe creat his own undesigned cutback lanes……🙏🤯🔥🦬 Edited September 11, 2022 by Buffalo Boy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: personally I wouldn’t pay for a fanboy site besides people post some of his crap here. ergo Fan boy blog I haven’t paid for their extra content, and the video posted isn’t of the critical nature. But they routinely do point out the negative, and the plays that didn’t work when dissecting film. Usually that’s in their more complete game analysis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: Just read this whole thread and RCR seems the only one to touch on Cook and the threat of his speed becoming the cherry on top to this rushing attack. Every year at the beginning of the season, there are silly over reactions about plays, players and coaches. This year, I see the least of these I think I’ve ever seen on here. Yes, we have a great team which would lead to it. But, we also look prepared right out of the gate, in a level we aren’t used to. This video was great as it shows the beginning of the process while acknowledging there is still work to be done. Gunner Bill was spot on about the elevation of O line talent, for me it’s Saffold and Brown especially. When we are halfway through this season and this line is comfortable with these blocking assignments AND hopefully Cook is comfortably carrying and protecting the ball at this level….. The speed he provides as well as shiftiness to maybe creat his own undesigned cutback lanes……🙏🤯🔥🦬 Thanks and I agree. This review and Baldy's breakdowns showed some really excellent run blocking concepts and pretty good execution. My guy Bates, and Knox have some work to do, but Bates drew Aaron Donald a lot, so tough draw. Brown and Saffold looked the part. Singletary has just enough speed to get to the holes that are being created, but he lacks the speed to exploit them, he also rarely cuts back. Moss is just a step too slow. It doesn't even have to be some all star RB to make more out of these schemes. A guy like Mike Gilislee would exploit those cut back lanes, and Karlos Williams had the direct ahead speed and processing to exploit them too. Cook is the guy on the roster that could elevate the run game and make wow plays in the run game. He has to secure the ball. I wish McDermott had gone right back to him early on and help rebuild his confidence. It's one criticism I have about McDermott. He can hold a grudge against Offensive players like no one's business. These skill guys need a chance to redeem themselves and erase a bad play. McKenzie had that opportunity, I wish Cook had too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 16 hours ago, HappyDays said: There's a difference between calling a clunker and losing all common sense. My take is that Daboll never wanted to commit to running the ball and that he and McDermott never saw eye to eye on that point. Against the Rams you saw how that commitment kept the defense off balance. I think this is a fair statement. It seemed clear to me from McDermott's interviews that the lack of a run game was a point of contention between he and Daboll. To those saying "it's only one week," well that's true. I expect the Bills run game to improve as the season progresses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 If run game and Gilliam continue to perform well, I will happily eat significant crow as Gilliam and the FB position in general has been a constant target of mine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 17 hours ago, GunnerBill said: If Dorsey spends 4 years here as OC he will have a clunker somewhere along the line. They all do. If our Dorsey and our offense perform this well all year, we’ll be extremely fortunate to get him back as OC for even a second year. Granted it’s only week 1, but Dorsey is already very well respected. A strong year even just 1 year and he’s already gonna be mentioned as a HC candidate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 18 hours ago, GunnerBill said: In fairness the Bills have wanted to be an outside zone running team since McDermott arrived. They have tried pretty much every year to be that. I just think they have made some head scratching decisions in terms of the type of personnel they have brought in (especially offensive line but to an extent running back too) to achieve that. Remember McDermott's first offensive coordinator hire was Rick Dennison. He is from the Mike Shanahan tree. He was Gary Kubiak's offensive coordinator. He wanted that "Shanahan" style of run game. He has tried to get Daboll to run it too. I'm not sure Daboll ever really thought it meshed with the passing game he wanted to run, but also they kept bringing in lumbering olinemen like Quinton Spain and Jon Feliciano who are much more suited to power football than the sort of blocking techniques you need to use for the outside zone. Even Daryl Williams is not really a fit for that style. This offseason they tried again with Kromer - who while he has run about every scheme going during his NFL career worked for McVay who is a Shanahan disciple - and I think this time with Saffold, Bates and Brown they have a more suitable set of blockers to make it work. They started last season as primarily an outside zone team and ended it with mainly gap runs because they couldn't get anything going zone blocking. 100%. There has been a scheme fit and personnel fit variance on the OL. It's one of the few pages where the GM and coaching staff have not meshed as well as they could and it has led to some odd personnel decisions on the OL IMO. Bates and Brown are both lighter on their feet than guys like Feliciano/ Boettger and Ford. Both can pull and move. That should help with outside zone blocking concepts. This is one of the reasons I was so vocally worried about how they were handing Bates. It also makes me realize just how good Dawkins is, because he can adjust to any scheme and be a (+) blocker. Saffold is more of a mauler, but wow he is quick out of his stance. Will be interesting to see how these concepts match up with different types of defensive fronts and packages, and how much improvement we can see from the OL and other blockers as it becomes the norm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said: If our Dorsey and our offense perform this well all year, we’ll be extremely fortunate to get him back as OC for even a second year. Granted it’s only week 1, but Dorsey is already very well respected. A strong year even just 1 year and he’s already gonna be mentioned as a HC candidate. Very much agreed. Him being 1 and done as OC because he gets a HC job is very possible IMO. The best way to keep him? Make the Superbowl. Because teams don't like waiting that extra fortnight. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 On 9/10/2022 at 11:23 AM, Big Turk said: It's going to take a few weeks at least to get Kromer's scheme down properly...imagine if we could now also run the way we did the last time he was here with Gillislee running for 50-60 yard TDs seemingly every game?? A nice reference to the TBD legend, Mike Gillislee. Well played. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Just read this whole thread and RCR seems the only one to touch on Cook and the threat of his speed becoming the cherry on top to this rushing attack. Every year at the beginning of the season, there are silly over reactions about plays, players and coaches. This year, I see the least of these I think I’ve ever seen on here. Yes, we have a great team which would lead to it. But, we also look prepared right out of the gate, in a level we aren’t used to. This video was great as it shows the beginning of the process while acknowledging there is still work to be done. Gunner Bill was spot on about the elevation of O line talent, for me it’s Saffold and Brown especially. When we are halfway through this season and this line is comfortable with these blocking assignments AND hopefully Cook is comfortably carrying and protecting the ball at this level….. The speed he provides as well as shiftiness to maybe creat his own undesigned cutback lanes……🙏🤯🔥🦬 In most of the highlight plays I've seen, it looks like Brown had a very good game. The one "mistake" I saw was not holding a block when he pulled on a JA run (it's in the Baldy breakdown thread). While the total yardage by the RBs was not significant, there were many plays that came very close to bigger gains. They should only get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) On 9/10/2022 at 11:20 AM, JerseyBills said: We looked Wayyy more physical on both lines compared to last year That was my takeaway - the ability to be physical on offense now as well as defense. And to know at any point we can go greatest show on turf on you as well. The execution was also impressive for just the first game. As others have mentioned the unit should just get better as the season goes on Edited September 11, 2022 by stevewin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, TPS said: In most of the highlight plays I've seen, it looks like Brown had a very good game. The one "mistake" I saw was not holding a block when he pulled on a JA run (it's in the Baldy breakdown thread). While the total yardage by the RBs was not significant, there were many plays that came very close to bigger gains. They should only get better. I remember that play to the left side. It's a common mistake I see in football... a blocker looking around for the ball carrier instead of sustaining his block. As a rule a blocker should just always assume that the runner is linked to and dependent on his block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 23 minutes ago, TPS said: In most of the highlight plays I've seen, it looks like Brown had a very good game. The one "mistake" I saw was not holding a block when he pulled on a JA run (it's in the Baldy breakdown thread). While the total yardage by the RBs was not significant, there were many plays that came very close to bigger gains. They should only get better. He did. Was a real pleasant surprise. Even in pass pro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 On 9/10/2022 at 11:34 AM, Big Turk said: I'd say it was more that he preferred to beat it with Josh Allen throwing it than running it...I mean imagine if you have Superman playing for you...it's almost like you dread every time you take the ball out of his hands. I can get it to some degree. I enjoy imagining what it would be like for my team to be facing Josh Allen, let alone with a strong, balanced team behind him. Allen alone would make me anxious. I mean, what do you take away? His runs? His deep passes? His short passes? The (new) running game? It's like you're screwed no matter what you do, as the Pats* found out last year. So glad he's ours! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: I remember that play to the left side. It's a common mistake I see in football... a blocker looking around for the ball carrier instead of sustaining his block. As a rule a blocker should just always assume that the runner is linked to and dependent on his block. For a guy who likes to pancake people, I'm surprised he didn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: He did. Was a real pleasant surprise. Even in pass pro. Rams edge rusher Leonard Floyd was virtually invisible against the Bills. It will be very interesting to see how Spencer Brown holds up against the TJ Watts and Matthew Judons of the world. Josh seems to be perfecting the quick passing game but there will be plays where he needs more than 2.5 seconds to throw and Brown hasn't faced his toughest tests yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Great first game for Brown though no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He did. Was a real pleasant surprise. Even in pass pro. From what I saw, it looked like Bates had the worst day. I'd appreciate your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 39 minutes ago, TPS said: From what I saw, it looked like Bates had the worst day. I'd appreciate your thoughts? Yep. Especially pass pro. He did play a little better 2nd half. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, TPS said: In most of the highlight plays I've seen, it looks like Brown had a very good game. The one "mistake" I saw was not holding a block when he pulled on a JA run (it's in the Baldy breakdown thread). While the total yardage by the RBs was not significant, there were many plays that came very close to bigger gains. They should only get better. I saw that live and I agree about the unfinished block. I wondered at the time if it wasn’t a symptom of his back injury/recovery. Last year he would have crushed the guy and gotten a 15 yarder for taunting😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said: I saw that live and I agree about the unfinished block. I wondered at the time if it wasn’t a symptom of his back injury/recovery. Last year he would have crushed the guy and gotten a 15 yarder for taunting😜 Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 3 hours ago, RocCityRoller said: 100%. There has been a scheme fit and personnel fit variance on the OL. It's one of the few pages where the GM and coaching staff have not meshed as well as they could and it has led to some odd personnel decisions on the OL IMO. Bates and Brown are both lighter on their feet than guys like Feliciano/ Boettger and Ford. Both can pull and move. That should help with outside zone blocking concepts. This is one of the reasons I was so vocally worried about how they were handing Bates. It also makes me realize just how good Dawkins is, because he can adjust to any scheme and be a (+) blocker. Saffold is more of a mauler, but wow he is quick out of his stance. Will be interesting to see how these concepts match up with different types of defensive fronts and packages, and how much improvement we can see from the OL and other blockers as it becomes the norm. I seem to recall McDermott saying last season or perhaps the season before that the run game needed to improve. At the time the Bills were attempting more of a power rushing attack but it wasn't working. He mentioned that it's not just the running backs that needed to improve. I believe they wanted then to go to more zone blocking but realized they didn't really have the personnel to do it. What we saw late in the season was a 6th offensive lineman come in from time to time. The run game improved toward the end of the season. Now with Kromer, I believe the run game will improve week in and week out as the offensive linemen become more familiar with the blocking schemes. Adding Saffold, I believe was another huge help. The OL as a whole will see a marked improvement this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, TPS said: From what I saw, it looked like Bates had the worst day. I'd appreciate your thoughts? I'd agree, but he was lined up against Aaron Donald a lot. That will make a lot of guys look not so good! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: I'd agree, but he was lined up against Aaron Donald a lot. That will make a lot of guys look not so good! Aaron Donald makes lots of people look not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: I'd agree, but he was lined up against Aaron Donald a lot. That will make a lot of guys look not so good! Yeah, didn't mean to imply he was bad, rather he's the only one who stood out with some miscues. It was meant as a compliment to the OL in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Just now, TPS said: Yeah, didn't mean to imply he was bad, rather he's the only one who stood out with some miscues. It was meant as a compliment to the OL in general. Oh yeah, I agree. I'm a Bates homer, but he has the most to improve, and the line did look improved and strong at the point of attack. Really liked watching the analysis of the run blocking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Whatever it takes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 21 hours ago, TPS said: In most of the highlight plays I've seen, it looks like Brown had a very good game. The one "mistake" I saw was not holding a block when he pulled on a JA run (it's in the Baldy breakdown thread). While the total yardage by the RBs was not significant, there were many plays that came very close to bigger gains. They should only get better. Brown is a dog! Love his game and physicality Great draft pick. We're set at R and L tackle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 What's the over/under on how many times he says "north and south?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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