Jauronimo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 51 minutes ago, BigDingus said: I mean he still was involved with 2 other guys in having their way with a 17 year old, highly intoxicated high school girl while he was at his last year in college. Either way, if the guy makes choices like that, I don't think he's all too great a guy. Considering the pictures of the aftermath, it was a very aggressive & physical 1 & a half hours at that... again, on a very intoxicated, non-consenting, high school girl (only 4 months removed from her junior year btw). And this girl considered it so awful, she immediately reported it to police the next day (when she was likely sobered up & surveying the extent of the damage). Whether you need more messed up details or a CIVIL court to inform you of how to feel, that's all up to you & perfectly fine. For me & many others, I think the known actions are enough that I don't want anything to do with him. It's not like he's being thrown in jail anyway, even if he is guilty. I don't want this story to be affiliated with the Bills AT ALL. Especially not for a rookie punter that hasn't played a single snap for us. We are not the Browns. According to her and her lawyer. These are not facts. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Does that rule apply to team suspensions or is it limited to league discipline? Pretty sure it's any discipline at all including suspension, discipline or even cutting (though I'm sure it'd have to be proven he was cut specifically due to the action and it was not performance related). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Nice knowing you Araiza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: In there it says the police didn’t interview araiza until last month? That’s strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I think Belichick is behind this. The no punt thing has been rattling around in his brain and he vowed to do something about it. He's trying to prove in some sort of twisted way that we do need a punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 58 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said: Duke Lacrosse team. 2006. And? Do you have something actually relevant to add? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Is Araiza eligible for the Commissioner's exemption list? The alleged incident happened before he was an NFL player. It seems the logical choice if applicable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: At this point, though, the accusation is baseless. Or at least it's baseless from our point of view. Jane Doe had friends at the party in question who can back up her claim or undermine it. The police have probably talked with those people. Both sets of attorneys definitely have. The Bills almost certainly have. Everybody connected to this case knows what those young women will testify to. We don't. What possible reason could any of us have for not wanting to wait to hear what they have to say? If Jane Doe's friends agree that Araiza was there and he led Doe back to the room where she was attacked as she described, then this is an easy call -- cut him and be done with it. But why make that call now when we know there are people sitting right there who can provide valuable information one way or the other? Baseless is more like -- it's verifiable that he wasn't at the same party as her. The point I was making and what I responded to was the poster's fear that anyone's career could be derailed because of baseless accusations. What you've described is why the burden of proof exists. It's different for criminal and civil cases, and if I own a football team, it's different for what I determine means you are hurting the team more than helping it. Edited August 26, 2022 by fridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, cr02pica said: Dude... completely missed the point. Would you rather her made this up or it actually happened to her? I, for her sake, would much rather her have made this up than it be something that had happened to her. That's a ridiculous hypothetical on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, Beck Water said: OMG seriously? BARKLEY? our secret weapon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Captain Caveman said: The thing is, for every story similar to Duke Lacrosse there are 10 more women who are raped / sexually assaulted where the offenders are not held accountable. For sure. I would never imply that because of Duke Lacrosse, we need to start doubting every accuser. But the truth needs to come out. The definitive verdict against the accused on this one is typical, imo - and shows we learned nothing from the Duke case. People who go immediately to twitter or wherever and post something like "the Bills suck if they don't immediately cut him" don't know anything. It's the kind of knee-jerk we see every single time. We have one of the best justice systems in world history. People need to let it run its course. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Cut him. Unfortunately for him (but luckily for us), he's a freakin punter. I don't care if he's the greatest punter in the history of the NFL. He's a punter. The ramifications for the team itself are minor. Just tell Josh Allen he and the offense have to score on every drive or go for it every 4th down if we have to. I'd honestly rather have no punter on the team than a guy with an accusation like this (that actually has legs) looming over his head at one of the least important positions on a football team... especially one with such a prolific offense. The whole "innocent until proven guilty" is all fine and good in the legal system, but that's not how it works in pro sports. This is clearly NOT a baseless accusation with no merit. If it was, things would be different. Guys who get these types of accusations thrown at them and never debunk them as completely outlandish never fully recover their reputations. And all the guys who remained in the league only did so because they were great players at positions of importance. Cut him. This makes me sick to my stomach. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, RocCityRoller said: Is Araiza eligible for the Commissioner's exemption list? The alleged incident happened before he was an NFL player. It seems the logical choice if applicable. From what folks have been saying, he is not eligible because the incident took place before he was drafted. I do not know if that is 100% true, but it seems to be the general consensus. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Why have him show up to stadium? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just1hugheser Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Well I actually think due process is working albeit slowly, despite the outside opinions of anyone. According to the espn article I read; -she reported it the day after meaning there will be a ton of physical evidence(piercings being pulled out, bleeding/trauma to repoductive system, roofies in her system, etc.). -Furthermore, according to this article the police told her to call him and initiate a conversation in which he admits to having sex with her and that she should be tested for STDs and when she asks more directly he changes his tone saying he doesn't remember-all according to the suit filed by her attorney per this article.(if you are a lawyer would you file a suit alleging these things without corroborating support for/by said police/medical facility she was examined by/told to make this call) If this article is accurate there should be no doubt one way or the other as there should be more than ample evidence and the DA should clearly proceed with serious charges and everyone involved should be adequately punished. I mean this for either way it goes, if she and her lawyer are lying there will be no evidence, if they are not then as I said above there is clearly an abundance of evidence. I'm not linking the espn article because well you all probably already read it or frankly can find it quite quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Is it possible that he is gay and that's his defense? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: Why have him show up to stadium? My read on it is that the situation is fluid and the decision was made late 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Why have him show up to stadium? Sal Capaccio said he's there but no one has seen him on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Success said: We have one of the best justice systems in world history. People need to let it run its course. I disagree here - police consistently ***** up rape so bad, and it's completely unacceptable that this has been going on for 10 months with no one charged (or cleared.) I think based on what is reported so far (understanding that not all of may be true, or it may not be the whole story) it's reasonable to think that almost certainly some bad ***** happened, he was involved to some degree, and I do not want this guy on our football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Success said: For sure. I would never imply that because of Duke Lacrosse, we need to start doubting every accuser. But the truth needs to come out. The definitive verdict against the accused on this one is typical, imo - and shows we learned nothing from the Duke case. People who go immediately to twitter or wherever and post something like "the Bills suck if they don't immediately cut him" don't know anything. It's the kind of knee-jerk we see every single time. We have one of the best justice systems in world history. People need to let it run its course. The fact people can't wait for the details and facts to come out, even despite this recent incident, is jarring. If Araiza participated in the allegations I hope he sees prison. Let the details and facts come out first. A lot of innocent people have been ruined on false accusations. A lot of real victims have not had justice because of it. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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