Gabe Davis getting stronger

[Richard Noggin]

On 7/13/2022 at 1:23 PM, HansLanda said:

when the skill position guys add weight, it is so much work. That is all lean muscle mass. They aren't eating pizza all day. I would bet adding seven pounds of mass is MUCH harder than cutting seven. These guys can cut seven in a week. Adding is all diet and weight room. 

David Boston didn't seem to struggle with adding weight...

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

Is this true?  Impossible?  Do those fat loads who transform their bodies into muscles  are actually gaining MORE fat?  I'm no expert in this, but this sounds wrong.

 

 

No, it's not impossible. It's difficult, and bodybuilders don't generally even try to do it that way, but it's absolutely doable.

 

You can't turn fat directly into muscle. But you can cause the body to break down fat for energy, depending on situation and circumstance, even enough energy to build muscle.

 

Studies have shown this. Here's a couple, but there are a bunch:

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28401638/

 

https://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495(02)00010-0/fulltext

 

It isn't easy. If you try to do both, you will maximize neither. It's even harder for a guy who's already in great shape, but it is doable.

 

More, it's extremely doable when you're talking about something like Davis did, gaining relatively small amounts of weight over several months. You could for example cut weight and lose fat over the first two months and then gain muscle for the next two or three months.

 

He's had from January 24th to today. Take maybe three weeks of total vaca and you still have five months of time to do this. Very possible.

Edited July 15, 2022 by Thurman#1

[The Dean]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Adding muscle mass = adding weight

 

Simply turning your existing pounds into leaner muscle without gaining weight is not "adding mass"............it's just adding muscle while subtracting less lean body weight.

 

You are trying to run with the misconception at the time that Singletary may have bulked up signficantly.....and again......he did not.

 

Getting heavier to get quicker and faster would not have been sensible..........and this is common sense, after all.

 

As for the real man stuff............I always thought you were more of a mama's boy type. 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll reply once more and that's it.  I am not/did not do the bolded. You assumed I did that even though I have corrected you on many occasions.

 

I said there was a thread on Motor's gaining muscle. That is TRUE.

 

I said some commented that would hurt him/he would regress:  That is also TRUE

 

Why they said it was never an issue.  THAT it happened is all that was presented.  Even though WHY doesn't matter to my statement, I even showed you some ONLY referred to the muscle gain, with no mention of weight.  But again, why was never at issue in my original statement.

 

Everything else is your incredible spinning BS.  

Edited July 15, 2022 by The Dean

[BADOLBILZ]

18 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Take this love affair to PM 

 

😌💕☺️

 

 

That's exactly what I tell people to do when they make persistent idiotic arguments to try to pander to homers in the main forum..........but in the cold light of a PM they have to face the fact that they are just making illogical or outright false or unsupported claims.    The fun is over for them when the attention is gone.   

 

The bottom line on this is the same kinda' people who insist there is no cause for pause whatsoever about a receiver getting too big are the people who spent 2019 mocking the Bills receivers of 2017-2018 in hindsight for not being quick or fast enough compared to Beasley and Brown.    Hopefully it goes smoothly for Davis.

[Don Otreply]

On 7/14/2022 at 11:26 AM, The Dean said:

 

 

The only person lying here is you.  You seem determined to attempt to twist what I said.  Let's reviews exactly what I posted. 

 

 

I never said, nor inferred, the discussion about Motor was about his weight. I said it was about his gaining muscle,  It WAS.  I already showed you the thread.

 

You keep tossing out absolutes that prove to be false. You posted the ONLY story last year was his working on speed. I've obviously showed you there were stories about his muscle gain . I never claimed it was the first story about Singletary. That the stories are derivative means absolutely nothing to my claim of their existence. 

 

I was saying, and will say again, there WERE stories about his muscle gain. And there was at least one thread about that on here. I've supplied it for your convenience.  Now you are saying:

 

 

Perhaps you skipped some replies on the thread I supplied.

 

 

 

 

 

So apparently your assertion that NOBODY was saying the added muscle would be bad, is in incorrect.  There were several mentions. 

 

 

I'm thinking you want me to be saying something I did not. I said exactly what I said. I backed up the analogy. 

 

Your insistence that I was conflating muscle and weight with respect to speed is an invention in your own mind. I never did that. The analogy was about hot-take reactions to a player changing his physique in some way, and assuming it will be a negative impact. Pretty simple. And true.

 

When Bado gets on a roll, it’s virtually impossible to slow that roll…, 😂

 

Go Bills!!!

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Why?You don’t want to see Kumerow out there for an extended period of time if Davis rolls his ankle again???

 

 

They ascended in 2019 and 2020 by stacking speed, quickness and skill at the position..........they seemed to know the role it played in their ascent, calling it their "fastball"............and since have allowed themselves to get more ordinary at the position.     It's a matchup league.   Kumerow might be the worst #2 WR in the league if given the chance.  

[Richard Noggin]

This thread's back-and-forth is primarily predicated upon the repetition of the misleading headline of the linked source in the OP...

 

We should all be able to recognize that Gabriel Davis has in fact NOT gained 17 pounds THIS offseason, and has in fact only continued a slow and steady body recomposition (not actually a word) that includes gaining maybe 4 pounds since last season ended. Anyone who actually reads the linked text should understand this without having to present nonsense red herrings about dramatic weight gain and how that can negatively affect an NFL WR. It's like a bait-and-switch for online drama queens. 

 

Published sports content online is not often beholden to journalistic standards of responsibility, and relies upon lazy and/or slanted commentary for impressions. Anyone in this thread concerned about Davis's weight gain is therefore easily duped or dishonest. 

[nucci]

On 7/13/2022 at 12:06 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Listed weight?
 

that's like asking a woman her weight 
 

😝

they are always 10 to 20 pounds lighter 

does this jersey make me look fat?

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Why?You don’t want to see Kumerow out there for an extended period of time if Davis rolls his ankle again???

 

 

I don't think anyone does. And since he's maybe the #5 or #6, if he becomes the #2 we will probably have had the sort of rash of injuries any team would have a hard time with.

[TBBills]

On 7/13/2022 at 12:06 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Listed weight?
 

that's like asking a woman her weight 
 

😝

they are always 10 to 20 pounds lighter 

Actually with equality nowadays you are supposed to ask women that stuff now.

[Hermes]

41 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He’s the back up to both Davis and Diggs, so no, not really.

But.. but... Aaron Rodgers wanted him back in GB so he's super good, and don't forget about his efficiency, he's called TD Jesus for a reason. 

 

If either miss time I'd imagine the plan is to make up the difference by committee, rather than rely solely on one player for the job. So let's say they lose 15 looks to Davis over a game, they wouldn't expect Kumerow to probably take more than 1-3 of those. Knox gets more time outside and makes up another 2-3 maybe the other TEs 1-2, the RBs add 2-4 more, the rest of the WR room gets the rest of the targets. About 2 more looks each for Diggs, McKenzie, Crowder, and Shakir. Or they could 'feature' one of these guys and give more looks to them, think how McKenzie was used against NE last year. 

 

While running Davis and Diggs together will be the go to in the clutch. The offense as a whole will be varied enough to not precipitate a major shift in overall offensive philosophy based off of an injury to either starter. Losing both for an extended period would change a lot but they might look to make a trade if something like that happens or pickup a player like Julio Jones, if any are still available, who can come in for a few games and wants a ring.

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He’s the back up to both Davis and Diggs, so no, not really.

 

No he isn't.

[The Dean]

11 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

No he isn't.

 

 

What? 

 

He is a primarily a ST player. He is not a starting WR. But he is a backup WR, and probably not playing much in the slot. So yes, he is a backup to Diggs and Davis---and anyone else they might play at WR before relying in his contribution there. But how is he NOT a backup to Diggs and Davis?

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, The Dean said:

So yes, he is a backup to Diggs and Davis---and anyone else they might play at WR before relying in his contribution there. But how is he NOT a backup to Diggs and Davis?

 

He is A backup, not THE backup. He's far down the depth chart. Hermes explained it in his post above. If anyone believes that the Bills' contingency plan for Diggs or Davis going down is to simply give Kumerow their snap share, they're deluding themselves.

[The Dean]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

He is A backup, not THE backup. He's far down the depth chart. Hermes explained it in his post above. If anyone believes that the Bills' contingency plan for Diggs or Davis going down is to simply give Kumerow their snap share, they're deluding themselves.

 

 

I agree with that. Right now, I think it will be filled by more than one WR given the current state of the roster.  But he is a WR backup.

 

The Bills "official" depth chart isn't available yet.  But this one from ESPN does a terrible job of guessing the WR rotation, IMO:

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/team/depth/_/name/buf/buffalo-bills

 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

This thread's back-and-forth is primarily predicated upon the repetition of the misleading headline of the linked source in the OP...

 

We should all be able to recognize that Gabriel Davis has in fact NOT gained 17 pounds THIS offseason, and has in fact only continued a slow and steady body recomposition (not actually a word) that includes gaining maybe 4 pounds since last season ended. Anyone who actually reads the linked text should understand this without having to present nonsense red herrings about dramatic weight gain and how that can negatively affect an NFL WR. It's like a bait-and-switch for online drama queens. 

 

Published sports content online is not often beholden to journalistic standards of responsibility, and relies upon lazy and/or slanted commentary for impressions. Anyone in this thread concerned about Davis's weight gain is therefore easily duped or dishonest. 

 

 

But the assertion is still that Davis has put on 17 pounds in the past two offseasons...........which is a lot for a WR either way.

 

If he hadn't been limited by a nagging foot injury for the first 10 games or so last season(per Bills shill Sal Capaccio).........or if he'd proven he can be a star at that weight like DK Metcalf has......... it would be easier to totally dismiss the impact of adding 10 pounds one offseason and 7 the next.

 

Getting heavier generally doesn't make you quicker or faster.    That's the reality.   Veterans with mileage on them, like LeSean McCoy when he was in Buffalo, will cut weight to try to maintain those attributes.

 

My biggest concern with Davis is not physical though..........just whether he can handle the mental jump to being a #2 WR...........which is essentially being a 1B option in a league with this much WR talent and CB depth spread around the league compared to a decade ago.

 

Davis has had some inconsistent stretches and subsequently modest production.  Not as serious as Knox with regard to catching targets, but still things like inopportune drops that make you wonder if he is susceptible to the yips/slumps.

 

Diggs, for example,  doesn't have a 3 catch on 14 targets day against a lowly Jets team that has one foot on the bus.

 

Can Davis handle the pressure of being a focal point of the defense (and fans and media)..........and can he also bring his "A" game to low spotlight games like last seasons Jets and Jags game(critical drop late in that one).

 

Whenever dealing with athletes who might be inclined to get in their own head too much.......I think it's always the best policy to have ACTUAL COMPETITION in house to move the focus outward.

[CoudyBills]

On 7/15/2022 at 2:25 AM, Richard Noggin said:

David Boston didn't seem to struggle with adding weight...

Nope, just struggled with the added weight.

[YoloinOhio]

On 7/13/2022 at 12:26 PM, Big Turk said:

 

Crowder has always given the Bills fits even when the Jets were terrible. Very excited to see what he brings.

 

[Victory Formation]

This makes sense. I think his physicality will get him open more often than his speed will.

[716er]

Gabe has gained roughly 210 pounds since birth.

Cut him

[Hermes]

11 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It still forces slot receivers to play the outside position and Kumerow to get increased reps…. Not a good thing…. Best solution is as you said in your last paragraph, sign Julio or someone like OBJ as a rental. 

So long as Josh is at the helm it's a non issue. We had a WR by the name of Robert Foster who went on a tear with Allen and has done nothing since. I personally thought he was the second coming of Moulds. Turns out QB play can make lesser talent appear better than they are

Edited July 17, 2022 by Hermes

[Buffalo_Stampede]

11 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

It still forces slot receivers to play the outside position and Kumerow to get increased reps…. Not a good thing…. Best solution is as you said in your last paragraph, sign Julio or someone like OBJ as a rental. 

 

We don’t really run an offense that needs a true X and a true Z. Although I guess that could change now with a new OC. I don’t think it’ll be much different.

 

Edited July 17, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Crowder has had two 800+ yard seasons and is a career 48 yard per game receiver.

 

That projects to 816 yards per 17 games.

 

That figure was 58 yards per game in 2020.......which projects out to just shy of 1,000 yards in a 17 game season.

 

A breakout season would have to begin at 50% above career average production, IMO...........it implies a very sudden, dramatic improvement above prior levels.

 

I can't see him putting up 1200+ yards..........but I suppose it's a possibility.

 

More likely that he would be a "bounce back" candidate where he stays healthy and puts up around 50 yards per game again.

 

That's not a given,  he showed little to no explosiveness last year and his YAC subsequently fell off a cliff,   but it's certainly a possibility if the nagging leg injuries subside.

 

50 ypg would be excellent but doesn't sound as good as hyperbolizing by mischaracterizing it as a "breakout", though.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Huh? Sure we do… an injury to Diggs or Davis and/or Davis not living up to the hype results in a slot receiver playing outside and a below mediocre WR in Kumerow getting a lot more snaps… it would make the Bills WR group pretty pedestrian relative to the rest of the league.

Shakir is not just a slot WR. He’s likely going to get plenty of time at the X and Z as depth. 
 

I think most teams 3rd and 4th X and Z WRs are pretty pedestrian. 
 

What teams have great depth outside? Can you name 10 teams with good depth at the X and Z wr positions?

[chongli]

2 hours ago, Hermes said:

So long as Josh is at the helm it's a non issue. We had a WR by the name of Robert Foster who went on a tear with Allen and has done nothing since. I personally thought he was the second coming of Moulds. Turns out QB play can make lesser talent appear better than they are

 

Same with Peerless Price. For the first time in his pro career, he had over 1,000 yards receiving with Drew Bledsoe in 2002 (1,252). Then we tagged and trade him to Atlanta for a 1st. He never had 1,000 yards again. What a steal for us!

[BADOLBILZ]

33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Shakir is not just a slot WR. He’s likely going to get plenty of time at the X and Z as depth. 
 

I think most teams 3rd and 4th X and Z WRs are pretty pedestrian. 
 

What teams have great depth outside? Can you name 10 teams with good depth at the X and Z wr positions?

 

 

WR is one of the 3 most valuable position groups in the NFL today based on salary distribution to the best players.

 

We aren't comparing the Bills to "most teams" anymore........this season is a SB window season where they are actually the Vegas favorite.

 

If you are expecting to play for a title..........you better be juiced up at receiver...........and ESPECIALLY on the boundary.

 

Slot's who can't matchup outside are a relative dime a dozen........that's how the Bills got a whole pack of them for about $4M in guarantees and a 5th round pick.

 

Despite average height, Shakir is a small target due to 29" arms........about identical length to the arms of the 5'7" McKenzie...........so until proven otherwise he's just part of the group of guys in the slot that you hope to never have to run out there against legit boundary CB's.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Same with Peerless Price. For the first time in his pro career, he had over 1,000 yards receiving with Drew Bledsoe in 2002 (1,252). Then we tagged and trade him to Atlanta for a 1st. He never had 1,000 yards again. What a steal for us!

 

 

The Peerless trade was more of a mutual disaster for both organizations.   The Bills passing game dropped to the bottom of the league the next season and Josh Reed couldn't handle the pressure of being the #2 receiver replacing Price and was never right again.   The Bills tried to be thrifty signing Bobby Shaw to replace Price.   They used the pick they acquired on Willis McGahee..........who had to sit out a season........when they already had a 1,000 yard RB.   Nothing but a f*cking shitstorm unfolded from that Price trade.    

[chongli]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The Peerless trade was more of a mutual disaster for both organizations.   The Bills passing game dropped to the bottom of the league the next season and Josh Reed couldn't handle the pressure of being the #2 receiver replacing Price and was never right again.   The Bills tried to be thrifty signing Bobby Shaw to replace Price.   They used the pick they acquired on Willis McGahee..........who had to sit out a season........when they already had a 1,000 yard RB.   Nothing but a f*cking shitstorm unfolded from that Price trade.    

 

I had forgotten about 2003...and for good reason!

[Richard Noggin]

13 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

But the assertion is still that Davis has put on 17 pounds in the past two offseasons...........which is a lot for a WR either way.

 

If he hadn't been limited by a nagging foot injury for the first 10 games or so last season(per Bills shill Sal Capaccio).........or if he'd proven he can be a star at that weight like DK Metcalf has......... it would be easier to totally dismiss the impact of adding 10 pounds one offseason and 7 the next.

 

Getting heavier generally doesn't make you quicker or faster.    That's the reality.   Veterans with mileage on them, like LeSean McCoy when he was in Buffalo, will cut weight to try to maintain those attributes.

 

My biggest concern with Davis is not physical though..........just whether he can handle the mental jump to being a #2 WR...........which is essentially being a 1B option in a league with this much WR talent and CB depth spread around the league compared to a decade ago.

 

Davis has had some inconsistent stretches and subsequently modest production.  Not as serious as Knox with regard to catching targets, but still things like inopportune drops that make you wonder if he is susceptible to the yips/slumps.

 

Diggs, for example,  doesn't have a 3 catch on 14 targets day against a lowly Jets team that has one foot on the bus.

 

Can Davis handle the pressure of being a focal point of the defense (and fans and media)..........and can he also bring his "A" game to low spotlight games like last seasons Jets and Jags game(critical drop late in that one).

 

Whenever dealing with athletes who might be inclined to get in their own head too much.......I think it's always the best policy to have ACTUAL COMPETITION in house to move the focus outward.

There was definitely a point last season when Davis and Allen were not on the same page. I kept interpreting that to mean that the myriad option routes in Daboll's offense were being misread by Davis against looks he hadn't had enough prep for (perhaps due to practice reps lost to injury?). That E-P passing game requires the QB and WR to be in lock-step with reading and reacting to defensive looks and leverages.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

WR is one of the 3 most valuable position groups in the NFL today based on salary distribution to the best players.

 

We aren't comparing the Bills to "most teams" anymore........this season is a SB window season where they are actually the Vegas favorite.

 

If you are expecting to play for a title..........you better be juiced up at receiver...........and ESPECIALLY on the boundary.

 

Slot's who can't matchup outside are a relative dime a dozen........that's how the Bills got a whole pack of them for about $4M in guarantees and a 5th round pick.

 

Despite average height, Shakir is a small target due to 29" arms........about identical length to the arms of the 5'7" McKenzie...........so until proven otherwise he's just part of the group of guys in the slot that you hope to never have to run out there against legit boundary CB's.

 

 

Most teams don’t have a player on the bench they can plug in as a WR1. The last couple Super Bowl teams had the unique opportunity to add legit WRs as depth during the season.

 

No one will complain if the Bills add WR depth. There aren’t many that come off the bench and can impact.

 

I don’t think you’ve ever actually stated a plan for WR. What exactly were the Bills options at WR? Allen Robinson? That wasn’t happening. Are you specifically talking about the draft? I don’t really know what you’re saying they should’ve done?
 

Julio Jones and Will Fuller are available. Will Fuller is intriguing to me because we don’t have anyone like him. TY Hilton and Desean Jackson are also available. DeDe Westbrook. Are any of these players seriously changing our Super Bowl chances? Add depth, no one will complain. But reality is no one is replacing Diggs if he goes down.
 

Sure, short arm WRs tend to be slot. Yes Shakir has shorter than average arms. I personally don’t think it matters too much in todays game. He’s stocky built WR. Most WRs are long and lean. I don’t think it’ll be the reason he can’t play outside. He’s a great contested catch WR. If his arms were 30.5” instead of 29 it really wouldn’t change much.

 

 

 

[Kmart128]

On 7/13/2022 at 12:30 PM, SWATeam said:

Seems bizarre that they only have two legitimate outside WR's on this roster, and then like 5 potential slots.  Seems risky to me, but maybe they have a plan to add someone else.

 

Well only one id consider a true slot is Crowder. The rest all are very capable of playing both inside and outside. McDermott and Beane love versatility in their depth 

[jdonley1180]

%93 conversion rate when targeted on 3rd down... Wow! 

[HappyDays]

8 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

Well only one id consider a true slot is Crowder.

 

Crowder took 2/3 of his snaps last year from the slot, 1/3 elsewhere. He will be our primary slot for sure but in a pinch he can play outside.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Haven’t you asked me which WR groups I’d take over the Bills before?

Putting more emphasis on the position IMO…. I would’ve preferred a WR in the first few rounds over RB and certainly LB. 

And I’ve said a bunch of times it’s not about depth. People worried about WR aren’t sold on Gabriel Davis. Cincinnati fans likely aren’t worrying about whose the X and Z behind Chase and Higgins.

Edited July 18, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Solomon Grundy]

21 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Crowder has had two 800+ yard seasons and is a career 48 yard per game receiver.

 

That projects to 816 yards per 17 games.

 

That figure was 58 yards per game in 2020.......which projects out to just shy of 1,000 yards in a 17 game season.

 

A breakout season would have to begin at 50% above career average production, IMO...........it implies a very sudden, dramatic improvement above prior levels.

 

I can't see him putting up 1200+ yards..........but I suppose it's a possibility.

 

More likely that he would be a "bounce back" candidate where he stays healthy and puts up around 50 yards per game again.

 

That's not a given,  he showed little to no explosiveness last year and his YAC subsequently fell off a cliff,   but it's certainly a possibility if the nagging leg injuries subside.

 

50 ypg would be excellent but doesn't sound as good as hyperbolizing by mischaracterizing it as a "breakout", though.

Crowder never had Josh Allen throwing him the football. I'm excited to see what he brings to the table with Josh

[BADOLBILZ]

22 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Crowder never had Josh Allen throwing him the football. I'm excited to see what he brings to the table with Josh

 

Yeah I'm sure he'd be disappointed if he didn't get back to his 2020 form, stay healthy and put up close to 1,000 yards............that's why he came to Buffalo........to rebuild his stock in a dynamic offense in 2022 and get back on the market.    Crowder is a more talented, higher pedigree player than Cole Beasley.........his stock is just down due to injuries.

 

[SCBills]

52 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

And I’ve said a bunch of times it’s not about depth. People worried about WR aren’t sold on Gabriel Davis. Cincinnati fans likely aren’t worrying about whose the X and Z behind Chase and Higgins.

Its true that most teams aren’t 3 deep on the outside with stud talent, but most here aren’t concerned we don’t have a proven outside WR3..  Most are concerned that we have no outside WR3. 
 

Kumerow - Special Teams / Emergency Depth

 

Crowder - Slot

 

McKenzie - Slot 

 

Maybe Shakir projects outside?

 

 

Edited July 18, 2022 by SCBills

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Haven’t you asked me which WR groups I’d take over the Bills before?

Putting more emphasis on the position IMO…. I would’ve preferred a WR in the first few rounds over RB and certainly LB. 

But which Wr would we have taken in rd 2 over cook?  The 2nd rd run on WRs crushed any hope of a 2nd rd wr imo.  I had Shakir as the top rated WR when we picked in rd 2.  
 

i agree….. I would’ve preferred WR over RB, but any WR at that point would’ve been a huge reach imo.  Cook is basically a WR and will be used more in the passing game than in the running game imo. 

46 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

And I’ve said a bunch of times it’s not about depth. People worried about WR aren’t sold on Gabriel Davis. Cincinnati fans likely aren’t worrying about whose the X and Z behind Chase and Higgins.

I’m sold on Davis.  I’m not sold on our depth.  
 

The Bengals fans will start worrying about their depth if one of them are injured. Promise 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Its true that most teams aren’t 3 deep on the outside with stud talent, but most here aren’t concerned we don’t have a proven outside WR3..  Most are concerned that we have no outside WR3. 
 

Kumerow - Special Teams

 

Crowder - Slot

 

McKenzie - Slot 

 

Maybe Shakir projects outside?

All we can do is wait and see. Everyone posting here knows what’s at WR. The Bills know what’s at WR.

[BADOLBILZ]

On 7/17/2022 at 9:00 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

And I’ve said a bunch of times it’s not about depth. People worried about WR aren’t sold on Gabriel Davis. Cincinnati fans likely aren’t worrying about whose the X and Z behind Chase and Higgins.

 

 

Cinci fans don't have to worry.........Tyler Boyd has averaged 935 yards receiving the past 4 seasons and didn't drop a single pass all regular season on his way to 828 yards as their 3rd receiver option.

 

You couldn't have made a worse choice to make an example of.   Shows how much you follow the NFL.