FilthyBeast Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 27 minutes ago, TBBills said: Another season of we can't keep so and so... then all the sudden we keep them. It's not happening especially with JA's new contract kicking in next year. Same reason why Chiefs had to let honey badger walk and they traded Hill to the Dolphins. Poyer is a good player and will be missed but he's on the wrong side of 30 and definitely nowhere close to the caliber of safety James is. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 On 6/19/2022 at 4:26 PM, ExWNYer said: ^^^ This. With championship caliber rosters come tough decisions. As has been stated previously by others, there are a lot of young, talented players coming due for new contracts soon. Poyer is at the bottom or near the bottom of the money list, IMO. Have loved his play over the years but it's not prudent to pay him what he wants at this point. Get your ring and then try to get your money elsewhere next year, Jordan. Double this. Don’t break the bank on secondary. Both of these will get big bucks elsewhere. Need to save bucks for pass rush. Only Bolts and Chiefs can go turbo offense on us, and our QB can match +1 or more. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Just now, FilthyBeast said: It's not happening especially with JA's new contract kicking in next year. Same reason why Chiefs had to let honey badger walk and they traded Hill to the Dolphins. Poyer is a good player and will be missed but he's on the wrong side of 30 and definitely nowhere close to the caliber of safety James is. Yup, we're basically a year behind them on the QB timeline. Poyer walking would be our honey badger, and while we don't have a Tyreek Hill situation, we'll have expiring contracts in Edmunds / Saffold / Singletary as our tough decisions to be made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: It's not happening especially with JA's new contract kicking in next year. Same reason why Chiefs had to let honey badger walk and they traded Hill to the Dolphins. Poyer is a good player and will be missed but he's on the wrong side of 30 and definitely nowhere close to the caliber of safety James is. I think you forgot that the salary cap is going to be increasing 20-30+ million a year for like 4 years now due to new TV deals kicking in. Allen's contract will look like one of the best bargain in all of sports within a few years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) I don't think safety should ever be a priority. And with this staff, a dropoff in DB talent isn't going hit as hard as other positions. These are the guys who closed the season for the number one defense in the NFL last year: Jordan Poyer (7th) terrible in Cleveland. Mikah Hyde (5th) backup safety/slot in GB. Great playoff run his last year. Taron Johnson (4th) Dane Jackson (7th) Levi Wallace (UDFA) That's three studs and two competent backs, all from pretty humble beginnings. Given the supposed attention other front offices are giving Benford (6th), I don't think McDermott is just finding diamonds in the rough. He's polishing whatever rocks he finds into gems and he can keep on doing it for a lot less money than Poyer is asking. He can't turn Dane into Reevis, but they won't be totally exposed with a mid round pick. Ehem, Josh Norman. This isn't really the case at any other position, so I'd rather see money spent on skill positions or even o-line, the latter being filled with turds that can't be polished. (I'm holding out hope that Kromer changes this.) On the other hand, be a witch Mr. Bean and keep him here. (at 2/32M) Edited August 17, 2022 by mbs Forgot to guess. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 55 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: It's not happening especially with JA's new contract kicking in next year. Same reason why Chiefs had to let honey badger walk and they traded Hill to the Dolphins. Poyer is a good player and will be missed but he's on the wrong side of 30 and definitely nowhere close to the caliber of safety James is. If you say it isn't happening it probably will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Probably just went up some...Derwin James just signed a massive extension with records for total dollars and guaranteed dollars for a safety...something like 4 years 76 million with 29 million guaranteed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Trade him for a young starting Guard with a decent contract. Jaquan Johnson is ready and more then capable to fill that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, wppete said: Trade him for a young starting Guard with a decent contract. Jaquan Johnson is ready and more then capable to fill that spot. I am not quite there but I don't hate it. If you are trading him a young guard on a cheap deal who you might have two years before you have to pay makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Should we be guessing the dollars or the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I am not quite there but I don't hate it. If you are trading him a young guard on a cheap deal who you might have two years before you have to pay makes sense. It does makes sense at this point especially with the contracts in Ed, Knox and Tremaine coming up. I really like Poyer but the smart business decision is to trade him especially with a high quality back in Jaquan Johnson ready to be a quality starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: I think you forgot that the salary cap is going to be increasing 20-30+ million a year for like 4 years now due to new TV deals kicking in. Allen's contract will look like one of the best bargain in all of sports within a few years. None of these people understand and every year they end up being wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Don’t pay big money to players on the wrong side of 30 that aren’t QB’s. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, wppete said: It does makes sense at this point especially with the contracts in Ed, Knox and Tremaine coming up. I really like Poyer but the smart business decision is to trade him especially with a high quality back in Jaquan Johnson ready to be a quality starter. For Quenton Nelson, maybe. Look, Poyer is at the top of his game right now. Give him a short-term deal, or one that make it easy to part ways after a couple years. Forget his age, there's been zero drop-off yet. You don't get rid of your top guys in their prime. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 5 hours ago, wppete said: Trade him for a young starting Guard with a decent contract. Jaquan Johnson is ready and more then capable to fill that spot. Yeah, how about for Wyatt Teller. Whoops! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 hours ago, TBBills said: None of these people understand and every year they end up being wrong. I mean if there was ever a time teams can keep players they normally would not be able to due to cap limitations, the next 3-4 years is that time. The cap is going to be going up stupid dollars every year for 3-4 years and players that already have signed will be locked into lower contracts relative to the cap so it will free up extra money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 10 hours ago, wppete said: It does makes sense at this point especially with the contracts in Ed, Knox and Tremaine coming up. I really like Poyer but the smart business decision is to trade him especially with a high quality back in Jaquan Johnson ready to be a quality starter. I disagree with your timetable. While getting value for the aging player the season BEFORE he hits FA is generally the best long-term value play, I don't think volunteering to lose Poyer NOW makes sense unless he forces their hand. The Bills should want the roster as stacked as possible for a championship run THIS YEAR. IMHO if Poyer is willing to play out his deal, then that's the best arrangement for everyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 While there are a lot of good points here back and fourth, I believe the evolution of Poyer, Hyde, and every other DB not named Tre White in Buffalo, including departed Levi Wallace show that this front office, and I believe this is at sean and Beane’s level can find back up/depth corners league wide that make excellent safeties. Part of this includes scheme where smart players that don’t have elite corner hips or speed but can keep the play in front of them and tackle well overachieve. Additionally Johnson and Neal have even flashed in relief duty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: I disagree with your timetable. While getting value for the aging player the season BEFORE he hits FA is generally the best long-term value play, I don't think volunteering to lose Poyer NOW makes sense unless he forces their hand. The Bills should want the roster as stacked as possible for a championship run THIS YEAR. IMHO if Poyer is willing to play out his deal, then that's the best arrangement for everyone involved. yeah I agree. Just hope Poyer doesn’t sit out if we don’t offer a new deal this year. If he does then trade him, we don’t have time to waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 20 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: Don’t pay big money to players on the wrong side of 30 that aren’t QB’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 23 hours ago, mbs said: I don't think safety should ever be a priority. And with this staff, a dropoff in DB talent isn't going hit as hard as other positions. These are the guys who closed the season for the number one defense in the NFL last year: Jordan Poyer (7th) terrible in Cleveland. Mikah Hyde (5th) backup safety/slot in GB. Great playoff run his last year. Taron Johnson (4th) Dane Jackson (7th) Levi Wallace (UDFA) That's three studs and two competent backs, all from pretty humble beginnings. Given the supposed attention other front offices are giving Benford (6th), I don't think McDermott is just finding diamonds in the rough. He's polishing whatever rocks he finds into gems and he can keep on doing it for a lot less money than Poyer is asking. He can't turn Dane into Reevis, but they won't be totally exposed with a mid round pick. Ehem, Josh Norman. This isn't really the case at any other position, so I'd rather see money spent on skill positions or even o-line, the latter being filled with turds that can't be polished. (I'm holding out hope that Kromer changes this.) On the other hand, be a witch Mr. Bean and keep him here. (at 2/32M) Poyer wasn't terrible in Cleveland. Definitely not what he became in Buffalo, but when given consistent playing time, he performed pretty well. They just changed coaches so often that he got passed over a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 On 6/16/2022 at 11:16 AM, Heavy Kevi said: I'd let him play out the year and walk. I get paying to keep your guys, but I think we can find a safety in the draft next year. It's also possible that Jaquon Johnson, Damar Hamlin, or even Nick McCloud is ready to replace Poyer next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, wppete said: yeah I agree. Just hope Poyer doesn’t sit out if we don’t offer a new deal this year. If he does then trade him, we don’t have time to waste. You don't come to camp and compete to then sit out. 37 minutes ago, cle23 said: Poyer wasn't terrible in Cleveland. Definitely not what he became in Buffalo, but when given consistent playing time, he performed pretty well. They just changed coaches so often that he got passed over a lot. And he had injuries didn't he? Especially the final year when if memory serves he had won a starting job coming out of camp but then only played a few games because of injuries. He was untapped potential but he had flashed in Cleveland for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbs Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 52 minutes ago, cle23 said: Poyer wasn't terrible in Cleveland. Definitely not what he became in Buffalo, but when given consistent playing time, he performed pretty well. They just changed coaches so often that he got passed over a lot. I shouldn't have said "terrible." It's pointlessly inflammatory. I watched some YouTube vids that didn't make me anywhere near as excited as I was about Hyde and Hyde was himself a backup. I'm not a coach or scout but he looked to me like he struggled. Lots of those vids misrepresent promising players. I stopped watching film on Josh Allen at Wyoming after a single dumb vid. 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: You don't come to camp and compete to then sit out. And he had injuries didn't he? Especially the final year when if memory serves he had won a starting job coming out of camp but then only played a few games because of injuries. He was untapped potential but he had flashed in Cleveland for sure. The torn kidney was the one that completely freaked me out. I just can't imagine tearing an inside bit. Shudder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Whatever his new team overpays him. love the guy and hope he gets every penny. But it won’t be in Buffalo (plus he needs to stack up for that divorce settlement). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 His new contract (with a new team) depends on how he plays in Buffalo this year and whether he remains healthy. Somebody will no doubt overpay him on a 3-year deal next spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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