Deebo Samuel tells 49ers not to offer extension because he wants to be traded

[Big Turk]

No link, was on WGR updates..

 

Beane get 'er done!

[Mr Wild]

He wants 25 mil a year. No thank you.

[Warcodered]

12 minutes ago, Mr Wild said:

He wants 25 mil a year. No thank you.

Don't see us as a viable option but it's possible he wants to go to a place that gives him a chance to play in the way he wants on a somewhat prove it deal.

[TBBills]

The guy has one good year...

[Dave_Bills]

Not gonna happen. We can’t have everyone

[BillsfaninSB]

Jets, Chiefs?

[BillsShredder83]

weird because i initially thought this was 100% money... but Schefter was implying he was unhappy with the way he was being used as well.

normally WR's cry about not getting the ball, dude had 1400 yds, and a ton of carries. i think hes somewhat acknowledging theyre running his body into the ground.

wonder if hes worried about losing his OC to the dolphins to? weird situation to ask for no extension

[BillsFanForever19]

Yeah, let's hand out another 25-30 million a year to a WR AND give up a 1st Round pick and more. That sounds wise. 

[jkeerie]

If he's treated as a wide receiver, that will increase his longevity.  He takes a beating as a RB.  Wouldn't surprise me if he ends up a Jet.  They have the draft capital.  They tried to get Tyreek, so Deebo would be a nice consolation.  If Deebo wants to be closer to home, eastern US, NY will suit.  

[Mr. WEO]

32 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Don't see us as a viable option but it's possible he wants to go to a place that gives him a chance to play in the way he wants on a somewhat prove it deal.

 

I thought he wanted a big payday..

 

27 minutes ago, TBBills said:

The guy has one good year...

 

That got Watson 230 million guaranteed...

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

I thought he wanted a big payday..

It's been reported that he doesn't want to be stuck in the same role he has been. If he's wanting to prove he's a #1 WR he might be interested in some sort of prove it deal with a team willing to let him fill that role. Still doesn't fit us though.

[Mr. WEO]

22 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

It's been reported that he doesn't want to be stuck in the same role he has been. If he's wanting to prove he's a #1 WR he might be interested in some sort of prove it deal with a team willing to let him fill that role. Still doesn't fit us though.

 

 

His narrative of being run into the ground is a bit melodramatic.  He averaged 3.7 carries per game.  11 QBs had more than that--Taylor Heinicke was one of them...

[BADOLBILZ]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

His narrative of being run into the ground is a bit melodramatic.  He averaged 3.7 carries per game.  11 QBs had more than that--Taylor Heinicke was one of them...

 

The use from the backfield didn't really start to become a regular thing until the second half of the 2021 season.

 

In his last 8 games he had 53 carries.......6.6 per game.

 

Then in the playoffs he had 27 carries in 3 games.........9 per game.

 

Also remember that flip passes from the backfield don't even count as carries but still see the player having to negotiate DL and LB level collisions.

 

The guy thinks he's a potential $30M aav talent........and 1400 yards receiving is pretty elite so maybe he is right..........and doesn't want his organization to think it's ok for him to be used like a $4M aav RB.

 

Taylor Heinicke is a scrub who needs to produce something on the ground to be on the field.

[Rochesterfan]

32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

His narrative of being run into the ground is a bit melodramatic.  He averaged 3.7 carries per game.  11 QBs had more than that--Taylor Heinicke was one of them...

 

Yes, but his workload increased late in the year and he was getting routinely nicked up during that time.

 

Plus many times QBs are getting some extra protection versus he was pounding the ball right out of the backfield.

 

Looking long term for his career - he wants to nip this now and I think he is pretty sure Shanahan’s offense will migrate back to that as needed.

 

It is about money and his long term ability to earn WR money.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Yes, but his workload increased late in the year and he was getting routinely nicked up during that time.

 

Plus many times QBs are getting some extra protection versus he was pounding the ball right out of the backfield.

 

Looking long term for his career - he wants to nip this now and I think he is pretty sure Shanahan’s offense will migrate back to that as needed.

 

It is about money and his long term ability to earn WR money.

 

 

Even with “more protection”, Josh Allen, with runs, sacks and WB hits was put on the ground while running or otherwise NOT receiving, over 210 times last year. 
 

As others have pointed out, Samuels value, whether he likes it or not, is now as a dual threat WR.  Any team he goes to will expect the same from him as Shanahan did.

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

Even with “more protection”, Josh Allen, with runs, sacks and WB hits was put on the ground while running or otherwise NOT receiving, over 210 times last year. 
 

As others have pointed out, Samuels value, whether he likes it or not, is now as a dual threat WR.  Any team he goes to will expect the same from him as Shanahan did.

 

And he is telling teams that like it or not - if you do not treat him as a WR only - He will not signing long term with you because someone will use him as a WR only.

 

I think he purposely put the statement out that it isn’t the contract - it is the usage.  Therefore a team like the Jets with former SF coaches may want him, but he is letting teams know - I am not going to do that.

 

It is a bad look, but it is his option and I think the point he was making was trying to warn certain other teams away.

 

[BillsShredder83]

6 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

And he is telling teams that like it or not - if you do not treat him as a WR only - He will not signing long term with you because someone will use him as a WR only.

 

I think he purposely put the statement out that it isn’t the contract - it is the usage.  Therefore a team like the Jets with former SF coaches may want him, but he is letting teams know - I am not going to do that.

 

It is a bad look, but it is his option and I think the point he was making was trying to warn certain other teams away.

 

Weird that if this is the issue they couldnt work something out. Express your concerns (which i think are valid), ask to keep it under a certain number per game, or limit them to red zone.  Seems dumb to let 1400 receiving yards out the door for 350 rushing yards.

 

Edit: looking at his stat line he had 8 rushing Tds. Anybody watch him enough to know if most of those carries were coming in RZ?

[Big Turk]

13 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Weird that if this is the issue they couldnt work something out. Express your concerns (which i think are valid), ask to keep it under a certain number per game, or limit them to red zone.  Seems dumb to let 1400 receiving yards out the door for 350 rushing yards.

 

Edit: looking at his stat line he had 8 rushing Tds. Anybody watch him enough to know if most of those carries were coming in RZ?

 

No, a lot of them were outside...dude was a fantastic runner when he had the ball.

 

EDIT: take that back...it looks like half were from inside the redzone and the others were from inside the 30.

 

https://youtu.be/LO60pr5UmOI

Edited April 23, 2022 by Big Turk

[thenorthremembers]

Good player pumped up by volume in that offense.  Gonna be a giant no thank you for me.  Too expensive and too injured.

[TBBills]

Tell this guy to go play a different sport.

[BillsShredder83]

6 minutes ago, TBBills said:

Tell this guy to go play a different sport.

Normally I agree but I don't blame him one bit for wanting a contract now. He was used as an absolute work horse last year for $2m. You see guys like CMC have these types of seasons and their bodies are permanently broke.

The way SF used him the last half of the year certainly looks like that's their plan this whole next season. I'm sure he loves getting the ball, but I'm not letting them run my body into the ground for $4m this year, then cut me loose before my 2nd contract. Pay the man accordingly cause he does not look like he'll see a 3rd contract

[Big Turk]

7 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Normally I agree but I don't blame him one bit for wanting a contract now. He was used as an absolute work horse last year for $2m. You see guys like CMC have these types of seasons and their bodies are permanently broke.

The way SF used him the last half of the year certainly looks like that's their plan this whole next season. I'm sure he loves getting the ball, but I'm not letting them run my body into the ground for $4m this year, then cut me loose before my 2nd contract. Pay the man accordingly cause he does not look like he'll see a 3rd contract

 

Dude is a freaking baller...so good at running with the ball in his hands and YAC and he is built like a beast.

 

If I was going to be run into the ground like the 49ers were doing with him I would demand a new contract also and would probably be very wary of the toll it would take on my body if they continued to do it...perhaps the 49ers told him they weren't planning on changing his role and he balked at it and told them he wanted out then.

 

Seems like a pretty dumb hill to die on for Shanahan tho...you just don't magically replace a guy like that, it's not like he wasn't very effective as a WR where he could reluctantly agree to just play him there and make him happy.

 

Sounds like the two sides just had no compromise and it's just really weird to me.

 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Big Turk

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

15 hours ago, TBBills said:

The guy has one good year...

and his value is based solely on how the 49ers use him in their run- heavy scheme— which is very unique and also which is going to cause him to be constantly injured.

 

He is not going to last in this league. 

[BillsShredder83]

1 minute ago, Big Turk said:

 

Dude is a freaking baller...so good at running with the ball in his hands and YAC and he is built like a beast.

 

If I was going to be run into the ground like the 49ers were doing with him I would demand a new contract also and would probably be very wary of the toll it would take on my body if they continued to do it...perhaps the 49ers told him they weren't planning on changing his role and he balked at it and told them he wanted out then.

It's gotta be that. Why else would he say don't even offer me an extension. I respect him even more if that's what happened. Dude wants to have a longer career, and doesn't care what the contract offer is.

That's the complete opposite of the "find a new sport" take

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

It's gotta be that. Why else would he say don't even offer me an extension. I respect him even more if that's what happened. Dude wants to have a longer career, and doesn't care what the contract offer is.

That's the complete opposite of the "find a new sport" take

 

I just find it so odd the two sides couldn't find a compromise that worked. It's not like he sucks as a WR and it's not like you just magically find guys like him...even if they draft one in the first round, no guarantee they come close to his production. Dude put up 1400 yards and over 18 YPC

 

There has to be something we don't know yet because it honestly makes no sense.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Big Turk

[Rochesterfan]

13 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Weird that if this is the issue they couldnt work something out. Express your concerns (which i think are valid), ask to keep it under a certain number per game, or limit them to red zone.  Seems dumb to let 1400 receiving yards out the door for 350 rushing yards.

 

Edit: looking at his stat line he had 8 rushing Tds. Anybody watch him enough to know if most of those carries were coming in RZ?

 

I agree, but his action, speed, and ability fit exactly what Shanahan loves to do.  The Packers did something similar out of a similar coaching tree with Ty Montgomery and basically turned a former WR into a RB.  It has potentially cost Ty significantly more money being a team player and getting 3 million dollar contracts.  Samuel does not seem to want to risk that.

 

If SF could replace his usage - it would be fine, but you know when things bog down - you migrate back to what works.  
 

[Mr. WEO]

51 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Dude is a freaking baller...so good at running with the ball in his hands and YAC and he is built like a beast.

 

If I was going to be run into the ground like the 49ers were doing with him I would demand a new contract also and would probably be very wary of the toll it would take on my body if they continued to do it...perhaps the 49ers told him they weren't planning on changing his role and he balked at it and told them he wanted out then.

 

Seems like a pretty dumb hill to die on for Shanahan tho...you just don't magically replace a guy like that, it's not like he wasn't very effective as a WR where he could reluctantly agree to just play him there and make him happy.

 

Sounds like the two sides just had no compromise and it's just really weird to me.

 

 

 

Stop with this already!  lol..  This guy is 3 years in and he has a career total under 250 touches.  He's one of the lowest mileage 4th year WRs or RBs in then league.

 

And "make him happy"?  Why, it was just a few months ago, at the Pro Bowl, where he was absolutely giddy over his role in the 49ers Offense:

 

“We’ve got a new position,” Samuel told sideline reporter Lisa Salters on the ESPN broadcast. “It’s called wide back. Wide receiver playing running back.”

 

Now they are "running him into the ground".    Come on..

 

[BillsShredder83]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Stop with this already!  lol..  This guy is 3 years in and he has a career total under 250 touches.  He's one of the lowest mileage 4th year WRs or RBs in then league.

 

And "make him happy"?  Why, it was just a few months ago, at the Pro Bowl, where he was absolutely giddy over his role in the 49ers Offense:

 

“We’ve got a new position,” Samuel told sideline reporter Lisa Salters on the ESPN broadcast. “It’s called wide back. Wide receiver playing running back.”

 

Now they are "running him into the ground".    Come on..

 

It's 2022 players aren't durable like they used to be. Players are stronger, faster, more violent then ever before. Rbs used to have 10 good years WITHOUT splitting carries.

Now backs who are splitting work loads are toast by 26 or 27. Just a sign that these guys bodies are pushed to the absolute max of human capabilities. The heavy single season usage is what kills guys.

 

Cmc. Gurley. Leveon. David Johnson. Arian Foster. Dalvin Cook and Zeke are coming up quick on being toast.

 

Dude runs like an absolute animal, and played 2 positions at the same time the last half year. They saw a ton of success running him from midpoint on. Why would they stop doing it?

 

Pay the man. If he hit open market he'd get 100+million contract... but he should carry an even heavier load next year for $4m??? Pay the man, they know what they're doing to him

[Chicken Boo]

18 hours ago, TBBills said:

The guy has one good year...

 

A year like you've never seen from a wideout.  

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

and his value is based solely on how the 49ers use him in their run- heavy scheme— which is very unique and also which is going to cause him to be constantly injured.

 

He is not going to last in this league. 

 

He had 365 rushing yards on the year but had 1400 yards receiving.

 

I don't understand why people put so much focus on the running aspect of his game.  He's a legit elite WR.  

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Stop with this already!  lol..  This guy is 3 years in and he has a career total under 250 touches.  He's one of the lowest mileage 4th year WRs or RBs in then league.

 

And "make him happy"?  Why, it was just a few months ago, at the Pro Bowl, where he was absolutely giddy over his role in the 49ers Offense:

 

“We’ve got a new position,” Samuel told sideline reporter Lisa Salters on the ESPN broadcast. “It’s called wide back. Wide receiver playing running back.”

 

Now they are "running him into the ground".    Come on..

 

He has a very good agent who got in his ear.

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Stop with this already!  lol..  This guy is 3 years in and he has a career total under 250 touches.  He's one of the lowest mileage 4th year WRs or RBs in then league.

 

And "make him happy"?  Why, it was just a few months ago, at the Pro Bowl, where he was absolutely giddy over his role in the 49ers Offense:

 

“We’ve got a new position,” Samuel told sideline reporter Lisa Salters on the ESPN broadcast. “It’s called wide back. Wide receiver playing running back.”

 

Now they are "running him into the ground".    Come on..

 

 

Apparently he must have rethought things because that isn't his attitude anymore

[BuffaloBills1998]

19 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Jets, Chiefs?

Only teams that have showed interest is Packers, Lions and Jets. Highly doubt he goes to NJ unless they’re willing to give up some high picks

[DCofNC]

4 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

It's 2022 players aren't durable like they used to be. Players are stronger, faster, more violent then ever before. Rbs used to have 10 good years WITHOUT splitting carries.

Now backs who are splitting work loads are toast by 26 or 27. Just a sign that these guys bodies are pushed to the absolute max of human capabilities. The heavy single season usage is what kills guys.

 

Cmc. Gurley. Leveon. David Johnson. Arian Foster. Dalvin Cook and Zeke are coming up quick on being toast.

 

Dude runs like an absolute animal, and played 2 positions at the same time the last half year. They saw a ton of success running him from midpoint on. Why would they stop doing it?

 

Pay the man. If he hit open market he'd get 100+million contract... but he should carry an even heavier load next year for $4m??? Pay the man, they know what they're doing to him

Absolutely agree.

[TBBills]

8 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Normally I agree but I don't blame him one bit for wanting a contract now. He was used as an absolute work horse last year for $2m. You see guys like CMC have these types of seasons and their bodies are permanently broke.

The way SF used him the last half of the year certainly looks like that's their plan this whole next season. I'm sure he loves getting the ball, but I'm not letting them run my body into the ground for $4m this year, then cut me loose before my 2nd contract. Pay the man accordingly cause he does not look like he'll see a 3rd contract

He already said he won't accept any contract from the 49ers. He wants to get a huge contract for being a less of a player and only be a WR.  

 

It not just he wants money, he wants lots of money for doing a lesser role in offenses.

Edited April 23, 2022 by TBBills

[Ya Digg?]

55 minutes ago, TBBills said:

He already said he won't accept any contract from the 49ers. He wants to get a huge contract for being a less of a player and only be a WR.  

 

It not just he wants money, he wants lots of money for doing a lesser role in offenses.

This is a really bad take-you could then say this about any wide receiver. You could apply this thinking to any position…josh should get paid less if he hands the ball off more this year, Ed Oliver shouldn’t get a contract because he only rushes the passer, he doesn’t also drop into coverage

 

the guy is a special talent, deserves to get paid, and wants to be able to focus on one position like virtually every other player in the league 

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, TBBills said:

He already said he won't accept any contract from the 49ers. He wants to get a huge contract for being a less of a player and only be a WR.  

 

It not just he wants money, he wants lots of money for doing a lesser role in offenses.

I highly doubt this is where hes at mentally. You don't get to the NFL without a mindset of I want the ball every play. Were talking the top .01% of athletes in the world. Their bodies are strong but their willpower is what seperates them from normal human beings.... Im sure he wishes he could get the ball 30xs a game, but we've seen enough dudes burn out fast, and its just not possible to do this over any length of time.

Id rather be a WR for 10 years, than play both at a high level for 3 or 4 years, and fizzle out. Gurley s career ended at 26!!!! And was no longer elite after TWWENTY FOUR (24!!!!)

[97bills]

9 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Dude is a freaking baller...so good at running with the ball in his hands and YAC and he is built like a beast.

 

If I was going to be run into the ground like the 49ers were doing with him I would demand a new contract also and would probably be very wary of the toll it would take on my body if they continued to do it...perhaps the 49ers told him they weren't planning on changing his role and he balked at it and told them he wanted out then.

 

Seems like a pretty dumb hill to die on for Shanahan tho...you just don't magically replace a guy like that, it's not like he wasn't very effective as a WR where he could reluctantly agree to just play him there and make him happy.

 

Sounds like the two sides just had no compromise and it's just really weird to me.

 

I was thinking the same thing, and I think a team should understand that he is a great WR and I wouldn’t want him hurt either if he was on my team. Im also wondering if the QB situation has anything to do with it he knows those numbers might not stay that hi with tray at the helm. 

[mannc]

9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Stop with this already!  lol..  This guy is 3 years in and he has a career total under 250 touches.  He's one of the lowest mileage 4th year WRs or RBs in then league.

 

And "make him happy"?  Why, it was just a few months ago, at the Pro Bowl, where he was absolutely giddy over his role in the 49ers Offense:

 

“We’ve got a new position,” Samuel told sideline reporter Lisa Salters on the ESPN broadcast. “It’s called wide back. Wide receiver playing running back.”

 

Now they are "running him into the ground".    Come on..

 

I think the Bills called more designed runs for Josh Allen this year…I hope he doesn’t demand a trade…

Edited April 24, 2022 by mannc

[TBBills]

20 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

I highly doubt this is where hes at mentally. You don't get to the NFL without a mindset of I want the ball every play. Were talking the top .01% of athletes in the world. Their bodies are strong but their willpower is what seperates them from normal human beings.... Im sure he wishes he could get the ball 30xs a game, but we've seen enough dudes burn out fast, and its just not possible to do this over any length of time.

Id rather be a WR for 10 years, than play both at a high level for 3 or 4 years, and fizzle out. Gurley s career ended at 26!!!! And was no longer elite after TWWENTY FOUR (24!!!!)

Guys get to the NFL all the time and flame out. Gurley was known to have bad knees.

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

It's 2022 players aren't durable like they used to be. Players are stronger, faster, more violent then ever before. Rbs used to have 10 good years WITHOUT splitting carries.

Now backs who are splitting work loads are toast by 26 or 27. Just a sign that these guys bodies are pushed to the absolute max of human capabilities. The heavy single season usage is what kills guys.

 

Cmc. Gurley. Leveon. David Johnson. Arian Foster. Dalvin Cook and Zeke are coming up quick on being toast.

 

Dude runs like an absolute animal, and played 2 positions at the same time the last half year. They saw a ton of success running him from midpoint on. Why would they stop doing it?

 

Pay the man. If he hit open market he'd get 100+million contract... but he should carry an even heavier load next year for $4m??? Pay the man, they know what they're doing to him

 

 

He's not a RB.  He's never had more than 8 carries a game---and that began in WEEK 11.   That isn't running him into the ground in any real way.  6-8 carries a game next year downs't quite put him up there with, say, Zeke's 1650 carries in 6 years or, say, Cook's 1200 touches in only 5 years.  

 

He's a WR who they ask to run a handful of times a game.  

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

He has a very good agent who got in his ear.

 

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Apparently he must have rethought things because that isn't his attitude anymore

 

Then he doesn't really think he's being "run into the ground"--he just wants more money, which is fine.