Dwayne Haskins killed [Edit: struck by vehicle]

[Royale with Cheese]

8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

I eluded to this earlier in the thread. I’ve been trying to think of this from multiple angles and this is the only reasonable thing I could think of. I figured the decision must of stemmed from overconfidence. Simply relying on his elite athleticism, thinking he could do it. But maybe we won’t find out the real motive for his decision to cross the interstate. I would have to assume though, if it was because of car trouble, he would have enough connections to come help him. After all he is a professional athlete and all he would have to do is make a phone call. 

 

I just feel bad. Terrible really. I would just like to know what was going through his head at the moment he made these decisions. Just trying to make sense of it. I think we have all made some risky decisions in life that we would probably want back. I just hope for his sake there is more to the story than simply just making a bad mistake. Hopefully it was simply just an accident and the driver was mostly at fault. Either way, it doesn’t take away a persons dignity, and Haskins deserves that. Sober or not. May all those involved get the peace they deserve. 

“Hopefully it was simply an accident and the driver was mostly at fault”.  
Why are you hoping that?  Why are you hoping that the driver has to live with this the rest of his life with this guilt?  

[machine gun kelly]

I’m sorry for the family’s loss.  He’s too young to pass.

[Nitro]

His death is a shock and a tragedy to his family, friends and team mates.   My condolences to them.

[Milanos Milano]

32 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

“Hopefully it was simply an accident and the driver was mostly at fault”.  
Why are you hoping that?  Why are you hoping that the driver has to live with this the rest of his life with this guilt?  

Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. 
The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. 
The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. 

Why? It’s not the time to strive for blame. People are mourning this young person’s death. He made some minor immature decisions once he got in the league but by all accounts was a very intelligent, likeable and gracious person. It’s difficult for some people to process the judgment taking place at this time. 

Edited April 10, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Why? 

Because that’s how life works. Ultimately decisions were made that lead to the accident. Trying to find out what went on to prevent things like this from happening should be part of the process. 

[Rochesterfan]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Because that’s how life works. Ultimately decisions were made that lead to the accident. Trying to find out what went on to prevent things like this from happening should be part of the process. 

 

That is the nature of accidents - decisions being made, but blame does not and should not be part of this at this time.

 

You keep talking about preventing this from happening, but at the same time you have speculated on everything from Haskins committing suicide, to drinking and drugs, to feeling adrenaline rush, to the driver of the other car being at blame.  
 

Why don’t you just wait to find out what happened rather than coming up with horrible scenario after horrible scenario.  The young man was killed in an accident - facts are still coming out - the reasoning and the understanding come with the facts.

 

At this time blame, speculation, trying to reason out why and what he did, should all be put on hold.  Maybe there was a good reason and maybe there wasn’t.  Until the facts come out - who cares about the other things.

 

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

Why do you guys disagree with it? So no blame gets placed, nobody dives into the what went wrong and then what? We keep repeating the mistakes so more tragic incidents like this can keep happening? Is that what you guys want? I know these things are difficult to talk about, and it makes people uncomfortable that making bad decisions can lead to others being involved in tragedy. But that’s just the way it is. 

[Royale with Cheese]

13 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. 
The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. 

I completely disagree with all of this.

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

That is the nature of accidents - decisions being made, but blame does not and should not be part of this at this time.

 

You keep talking about preventing this from happening, but at the same time you have speculated on everything from Haskins committing suicide, to drinking and drugs, to feeling adrenaline rush, to the driver of the other car being at blame.  
 

Why don’t you just wait to find out what happened rather than coming up with horrible scenario after horrible scenario.  The young man was killed in an accident - facts are still coming out - the reasoning and the understanding come with the facts.

 

At this time blame, speculation, trying to reason out why and what he did, should all be put on hold.  Maybe there was a good reason and maybe there wasn’t.  Until the facts come out - who cares about the other things.

 

 

 

It’s possible to mourn and speculate at the same time. Nobody benefits by the “we will talk about it later” . Generally it’s said like this in the hopes it goes away and you never have to talk about it. That helps no one. 

[Rochesterfan]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Why do you guys disagree with it? So no blame gets placed, nobody dives into the what went wrong and then what? We keep repeating the mistakes so more tragic incidents like this can keep happening? Is that what you guys want? I know these things are difficult to talk about, and it makes people uncomfortable that making bad decisions can lead to others being involved in tragedy. But that’s just the way it is. 

 

So then tell me exactly what happened to cause this so we can fix it.

 

Oh wait - YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSED IT - you can’t fix it without understanding the situation and you can’t understand it if you keep making up situations that do not fit the data.

 

Let them do their job and then we can assess what happened and if a fix is needed.  Sometimes a bad decision is a bad decision and sometimes it feels like the only decision in a given situation.  Just wait for the facts.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Why do you guys disagree with it? So no blame gets placed, nobody dives into the what went wrong and then what? We keep repeating the mistakes so more tragic incidents like this can keep happening? Is that what you guys want? I know these things are difficult to talk about, and it makes people uncomfortable that making bad decisions can lead to others being involved in tragedy. But that’s just the way it is. 

So no one gets blamed for this and this will make people cross highways more or something?  Is that how your mind works?

 

It was an accident and we may never know why Haskins was crossing.  That doesn’t mean someone needs to be blamed.

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I completely disagree with all of this.

But why? Because it makes you feel uncomfortable? Life is uncomfortable. Weird things happen and suppressing it and not talking about it is one of the reasons why things like this keep happening over and over again. 

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So no one gets blamed for this and this will make people cross highways more or something?  Is that how your mind works?

 

It was an accident and we may never know why Haskins was crossing.  That doesn’t mean someone needs to be blamed.

Society in general brush things aside or under rugs. It’s like a taboo to even discuss things like this. People shout “victim blaming” or “this isn’t the right time” or “just let it play out” , and then nothing happens. Collectively shrug shoulders and chalk it off as it is what it is. This kind of mindset happens everywhere. It’s like when innocent people get killed by guns, nothing happens, it just keeps happening and people accept it as a part of life. 

[Rochesterfan]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

It’s possible to mourn and speculate at the same time. Nobody benefits by the “we will talk about it later” . Generally it’s said like this in the hopes it goes away and you never have to talk about it. That helps no one. 

 

What benefits do we gain from you speculating that Haskins is committing suicide?

 

What knowledge do we gather from you saying - Alcohol or Drugs may have been involved?

 

What teaching can we provide by blaming the other driver?

 

There is no teaching points to be had in your made up stories - just wait on the facts.  We have heard the car ran out of gas and then car problems.  We don’t know if he was even alone.  
 

We don’t know what the traffic was like at 6am on a Saturday morning versus other days and if that influenced the decision.  
 

Speculation provides nothing and blame helps no one.

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

But why? Because it makes you feel uncomfortable? Life is uncomfortable. Weird things happen and suppressing it and not talking about it is one of the reasons why things like this keep happening over and over again. 

What is wrong with you?  How in the world would this make me uncomfortable?  I didn’t know Haskins so I have zero emotional attachment to him.   

 

Is that how incredibly arrogant you are?  You disagree with me just because you’re uncomfortable.

 

I disagree with your thought process.  I’m not uncomfortable saying that.  Have you noticed a trend in threads you’re in that people typically disagree with you?  You’re not smarter than everyone else.

1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

What benefits do we gain from you speculating that Haskins is committing suicide?

 

What knowledge do we gather from you saying - Alcohol or Drugs may have been involved?

 

What teaching can we provide by blaming the other driver?

 

There is no teaching points to be had in your made up stories - just wait on the facts.  We have heard the car ran out of gas and then car problems.  We don’t know if he was even alone.  
 

We don’t know what the traffic was like at 6am on a Saturday morning versus other days and if that influenced the decision.  
 

Speculation provides nothing and blame helps no one.

 

 

You know the old saying about assume….

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

20 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Lamar calling out Schefter. I know what he's saying but damn dude , use some proper grammar and punctuation

 

 

[Beast]

45 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. 
The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. 

What a freaking disgusting take.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Because that’s how life works. Ultimately decisions were made that lead to the accident. Trying to find out what went on to prevent things like this from happening should be part of the process. 

 

I don't think you need to be a genius to realize that Not trying to cross a busy restricted-access interstate would have prevented this accident.   Haskins may have had individual reasons that seemed good to him at the time, but individual reasons are too...individual to be generally useful as an accident prevention strategy.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Because blame has to fall somewhere. For Haskins sake, culpability that falls on someone else brings better light to his death. Nobody wants to be remembered for a bad decision that lead to their demise. 
The driver gets to live, culpable or not. Living is still better than being dead, even if you have to carry the burden. 

 

1) the driver of that dump truck will carry the burden for the rest of his life, even if he is 0% at fault.  I have heard the stories of locomotive engineers who had someone go around the gates and get struck by their train and die.  That's 0% the fault of the locomotive engineer - a big train doesn't even slow appreciably in the time between seeing someone and the train getting to the crossing - but they carry that for the rest of their lives.

2) on a restricted access highway where it's illegal to be a pedestrian, there is no way the dump truck driver is going to be found majorly at fault.  If he were proven to be speeding and distracted at the time, those would be contributing factors.

3) people can be remembered for their lives and accomplishments more than a final decision they made, even if it were a poor decision.

[Milanos Milano]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

1) the driver of that dump truck will carry the burden for the rest of his life, even if he is 0% at fault.  I have heard the stories of locomotive engineers who had someone go around the gates and get struck by their train and die.  That's 0% the fault of the locomotive engineer - a big train doesn't even slow appreciably in the time between seeing someone and the train getting to the crossing - but they carry that for the rest of their lives.

2) on a restricted access highway where it's illegal to be a pedestrian, there is no way the dump truck driver is going to be found majorly at fault.  If he were proven to be speeding and distracted at the time, those would be contributing factors.

3) people can be remembered for their lives and accomplishments more than a final decision they made, even if it were a poor decision.

I agree with all of this. I have also even said, even if it was worse case scenario for Haskins (suicide, drugs, etc) it wouldn’t change anything. He’s still a human being that made a mistake. I just think it’s acceptable to talk about the why or the how. I’ve gotten attacked here for it, but that’s to be expected. It’s a sad situation all around. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I agree with all of this. I have also even said, even if it was worse case scenario for Haskins (suicide, drugs, etc) it wouldn’t change anything. He’s still a human being that made a mistake. I just think it’s acceptable to talk about the why or the how. I’ve gotten attacked here for it, but that’s to be expected. It’s a sad situation all around. 

 

JMO, but I think how you're talking about the why/how vs. simply talking about it per se may have something to do with being 'attacked'. 

[wppete]

21 hours ago, CNYfan said:

What did Brandt write?  I do not see it anywhere.

Did you find out? What Shefter wrote was disgraceful.

[ToGoGo]

Any new info released about what may have happened? 

[Process]

2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I agree with all of this. I have also even said, even if it was worse case scenario for Haskins (suicide, drugs, etc) it wouldn’t change anything. He’s still a human being that made a mistake. I just think it’s acceptable to talk about the why or the how. I’ve gotten attacked here for it, but that’s to be expected. It’s a sad situation all around. 

I promise you that you are not going to solve the why or the how from behind a keyboard. More details will come out eventually. Right now we have almost none, so speculating about what happened, or imagining what it would be like if Allen died, is beyond pointless. 

[Lfod]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

1) the driver of that dump truck will carry the burden for the rest of his life, even if he is 0% at fault.  I have heard the stories of locomotive engineers who had someone go around the gates and get struck by their train and die.  That's 0% the fault of the locomotive engineer - a big train doesn't even slow appreciably in the time between seeing someone and the train getting to the crossing - but they carry that for the rest of their lives.

2) on a restricted access highway where it's illegal to be a pedestrian, there is no way the dump truck driver is going to be found majorly at fault.  If he were proven to be speeding and distracted at the time, those would be contributing factors.

3) people can be remembered for their lives and accomplishments more than a final decision they made, even if it were a poor decision.

I would have to agree with number 1 on your list. My father was a truck driver and when I reached a certain age he told me he was in an accident that took another person's life.

 

He wasn't at fault and he showed me a letter written by someone in the family of the person he was in that accident with. To sum it up they didn't blame him and didn't want him to blame himself. 

 

Keeping that letter around for so long after it happened tells me he won't ever forget that moment in his life. To be honest I don't think the letter or the fact the other person was proven to be at fault made him feel any better about it. 

Edited April 10, 2022 by Lfod

[wppete]

These are disgusting comments by Gil Brandt. Shameful.

 

 

[ToGoGo]

22 minutes ago, Process said:

I promise you that you are not going to solve the why or the how from behind a keyboard. More details will come out eventually. Right now we have almost none, so speculating about what happened, or imagining what it would be like if Allen died, is beyond pointless. 

 

Look into OSINT investigation. 

 

Large percentages of crimes are beginning to be solved behind a keyboard. Lots of data sets out there to be mined by very talented people that have nothing to do with law enforcement. 

 

Google "4chan Shia Labeauf Flag" for an amazing example of how crowdsourced investigation by talented people can outperform law enforcement. 

 

"Let the pros do their job" is starting to be outdated as time goes on. 

[billsintaiwan]

7 minutes ago, wppete said:

These are disgusting comments by Gil Brandt. Shameful.

 

 

Christ on a crutch. That's too much. Tell that story to other old guys at the bar if you have to, don't put that shite out into the world. 24 year old kid dead. Tragedy. End of. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[wppete]

6 minutes ago, billsintaiwan said:

Christ on a crutch. That's too much. Tell that story to other old guys at the bar if you have to, don't put that shite out into the world. 24 year old kid dead. Tragedy. End of. 

Yeah I agree that was disgusting and disgraceful. I don’t care if he’s 190 years old those comments are insane about a young man at 24 tragically loses his life. We should never hear another word from Brandt again. 

[Warcodered]

15 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Look into OSINT investigation. 

 

Large percentages of crimes are beginning to be solved behind a keyboard. Lots of data sets out there to be mined by very talented people that have nothing to do with law enforcement. 

 

Google "4chan Shia Labeauf Flag" for an amazing example of how crowdsourced investigation by talented people can outperform law enforcement. 

 

"Let the pros do their job" is starting to be outdated as time goes on. 

Isn't that how the guy who wasn't the Boston Bomber got harassed?

[NoSaint]

48 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Look into OSINT investigation. 

 

Large percentages of crimes are beginning to be solved behind a keyboard. Lots of data sets out there to be mined by very talented people that have nothing to do with law enforcement. 

 

Google "4chan Shia Labeauf Flag" for an amazing example of how crowdsourced investigation by talented people can outperform law enforcement. 

 

"Let the pros do their job" is starting to be outdated as time goes on. 

because that’s what was happening here…

[NoSaint]

37 minutes ago, wppete said:

Yeah I agree that was disgusting and disgraceful. I don’t care if he’s 190 years old those comments are insane about a young man at 24 tragically loses his life. We should never hear another word from Brandt again. 

I think his age may be very relevant as I’ve seen commentary that he’s been in substantial mental decline.

 

I can’t say I’ve listened to him meaningfully to have an opinion but it was striking comment to be shared. Just like granting Haskins some humanity, we may later think back similarly on Brandt.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Yeah I agree that was disgusting and disgraceful. I don’t care if he’s 190 years old those comments are insane about a young man at 24 tragically loses his life. We should never hear another word from Brandt again. 

It could also be that elderly people sometimes have no filter, and will say exactly what they are thinking without considering the context of the situation or whether it is tone deaf, and also may not have the awareness of how quickly something can go viral now.

 

i think it was an error in judgment to still have him doing media at this point. 

Edited April 10, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[wppete]

30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It could also be that elderly people sometimes have no filter, and will say exactly what they are thinking without considering the context of the situation or whether it is tone deaf, and also may not have the awareness of how quickly something can go viral now.

 

i think it was an error in judgment to still have him doing media at this point. 

Well if that’s the case he should be off air and not allowed to comment on such serious topics like the tragic death of a young man. 

[muppy]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think you need to be a genius to realize that Not trying to cross a busy restricted-access interstate would have prevented this accident.   Haskins may have had individual reasons that seemed good to him at the time, but individual reasons are too...individual to be generally useful as an accident prevention strategy.

a while back a friend from church called hubby and said she was broke down on the interstate and needed anti-freeze. When we did find her it was on an exit ramp 2 lanes exiting onto a different freeway we on the right shoulder and cars were wizzing on our left ... it scared the crap out of me WOOSH the car shook OMG.they did NOT slow down we were sitting ducks.....hubby was on the shoulder trying to help this lady...eventually we called the police AND Triple A...but until they arrived I was Praying we wouldnt get creamed b y some other car.

 

my story relates to mr haskins because the margin for error was pretty tight. tighter than I would have wanted it. In mr Haskins situation  He may have been checking on his car I mean it is at lease one plausible scenario....

 

Today on a local socal freeway (that is including the carpool lanes 7 lanes across) the traffic warning signs with flashing lights wrote "Look out for Pedestrians" Today the issue is given full awarenesss. THAT in itself should help prevent this type of accident again.....hopefully

 

@IronMaidenBills if there were 2 things I can say that may have helped prevent this accident is definitely

 

!. Have your cell phone in  car while driving at all times...and use it to call police and AAA if stuck on a freeway

2.  If you are broken down on a highway STAY IN YOUR VEHICLE

 

It was an accident mate.  its freaking tragic. we may never know all the full details. God Bless you brother

 

m

Edited April 10, 2022 by muppy

[Sierra Foothills]

7 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Why do you guys disagree with it? So no blame gets placed, nobody dives into the what went wrong and then what? We keep repeating the mistakes so more tragic incidents like this can keep happening? Is that what you guys want? I know these things are difficult to talk about, and it makes people uncomfortable that making bad decisions can lead to others being involved in tragedy. But that’s just the way it is. 

 

You seem like you're pretty young.

 

7 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

So then tell me exactly what happened to cause this so we can fix it.

 

Oh wait - YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSED IT - you can’t fix it without understanding the situation and you can’t understand it if you keep making up situations that do not fit the data.

 

Let them do their job and then we can assess what happened and if a fix is needed.  Sometimes a bad decision is a bad decision and sometimes it feels like the only decision in a given situation.  Just wait for the facts.

 

3 hours ago, Process said:

I promise you that you are not going to solve the why or the how from behind a keyboard. More details will come out eventually. Right now we have almost none, so speculating about what happened, or imagining what it would be like if Allen died, is beyond pointless. 

 

You guys are 100% correct... knowing what caused Haskins' death won't fix anything.

 

People still pull out of the mall parking lot with their baby in the infant carrier on the car roof.

 

People still leave their pets in the car with the windows closed on 90 degree days.

 

Knowing what caused Haskins' death won't save a single life. That's not how the world works. I'm sure he was told as a kid to look both ways before he crossed the street.

 

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I think his age may be very relevant as I’ve seen commentary that he’s been in substantial mental decline.

 

 

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Minimize great stuff you don't know anything about to a few isolated incidents of which idiots were involved.  

 

Reminder of why I try to avoid this place. 

 

Agree lots of morons on this board. But that's what these boards seem to attract. Wonder why the smart guys don't post here much? 

It’s perfectly fine to engage in the type of analysis you’re talking about here. But when people start floating rationales like suicide, drug and/or alcohol use as factors in this based on absolutely no currently available evidence, then they just sound sensationalist and ignorant, on top of being incredibly disrespectful.

 

Just have some tact when addressing these things. It’s not that hard.

[wppete]

This reporter sums it all up. Well said! And still no apology or acknowledgement by Sherfter. Disgusting.