Jordan Davis is unreal

[Don Otreply]

According to Joe Marino, he has had well over six-hundred snaps, and has had a total of thirty (30) QB pressures, the guy doesn’t appear to get after the QB if these stats are accurate, if he can’t do it at the college level, he likely can’t do it at the pro level, just something to think about, 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

He’s faster than any of our Defensive Ends who made Mahomes look like Lamar.  

 

Actually Rousseau ran a 4.68 with a 1.57 10 yard split versus Davis 4.78 and 1.68.    Basham ran a 4.64.  

 

In the open field it doesn't matter if you weigh 270 or 340.    

 

Davis has to excel in tight quarters to be great.........and much of what makes Davis seem special.......like running "track fast" for a fat guy.........isn't functionally very useful at his position.............he's going to have to have a lot of want-to to excel between the tackles when he is fighting a leverage disadvantage.

1 hour ago, badassgixxer05 said:

Convert this kid to TE. 😁

 

He couldn't block well enough to play TE.....pads too high.😉

[BarleyNY]

20 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Did they take Lotulelei out against KC?

 

Nope. 58% the first game and 43% when he was playing poorly after Covid.

 

They play our space eater even against mostly pass teams. Not generally on passing downs, but they do play the space eaters.

 

In 2018 when healthy, against New England with Brady he played 53% and 47%. The whole year he played less than 44% in only three games. With the Bills Lotulelei has never played less than 47%, excluding his opt-out. And if they draft Jordan Davis it will be to be the new, available and hopefully improved  young Lotulelei.

 

Our DL all platoons, pass rushers included. That's how they're used and yet they still draft DLs in the 1st.

This is why I can see the Bills talking themselves into Davis at 25.  There’s just too much risk with him in particular for me, but some team will ignore the red flags.  If it’s the bills, then I hope I’m wrong.

 

The specific red flags I’m talking about or his lack of conditioning in college where he could physically dominate his opposition and his weight fluctuations.  He was at Georgia so it’s not like he didn’t have the best nutritionists and trainers available.  

14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I understand the rotation but Davis literally said his job is not to play on 3rd down, it’s to get to 3rd Down. 

That’s a great line.  Thank god teams don’t pass on first and second downs these days. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

According to Joe Marino, he has had well over six-hundred snaps, and has had a total of thirty (30) QB pressures, the guy doesn’t appear to get after the QB if these stats are accurate, if he can’t do it at the college level, he likely can’t do it at the pro level, just something to think about, 

Is it something he can't do or is it something others can do better? That DL was loaded with pass rushers. Their 3rd DT is a top 10 pick next year.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is it something he can't do or is it something others can do better? That DL was loaded with pass rushers. Their 3rd DT is a top 10 pick next year.

He was absolutely asked to rush the passer, he just didn’t do it well. Now one could say he’s an asset to simply push the pocket, but I think it was Kyle Crabbs on TDN who was saying he really doesn’t have the first step to truly affect the QB enough to say he’s worth that high pick just for that element. 
 

No one was surprised he lost 20 Lb for the combine and lit it up. He’s always been huge and explosive. He just didn’t show that consistently on film in games. His own admission was that he was not in good enough shape for the SEC championship game to keep up with the speed of Alabama. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[atlbillsfan1975]

17 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I understand the rotation but Davis literally said his job is not to play on 3rd down, it’s to get to 3rd Down. 

I heard that on LockedOn too. Listen to Davis during interviews and tell me what about that guys personality says he won’t do everything he is asked. Comparing him to Darrius is ignorant. Davis is a great guy, teammates love him, and he has speed, agility, and size. I can remember when those where all things you wanted from an interior dline. I respect the heck out of Joe, but think he might be wrong on this one. Like Joe said “you aren’t scouting, if you don’t miss on a player e v a l.”. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[Your Brown Eye]

I feel like those who are saying we do not need Davis at 25 (if he's available) will be the same people crying about if/when D Henry runs for 150+ on the Bills and they did not address the run defense when they had a chance

[BADOLBILZ]

23 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

I feel like those who are saying we do not need Davis at 25 (if he's available) will be the same people crying about if/when D Henry runs for 150+ on the Bills and they did not address the run defense when they had a chance

 

You are up in your feels.

 

That's not how you make good decisions.

 

And I wouldn't obsess about Henry anymore........he had one long run in that Bills game but his play production dropped off A LOT prior to his injury........barely above average ypc.    After all that hard mileage his trajectory is downward.

[Alphadawg7]

If you want to draft Davis to help our run defense and eat space, great, that is what his film suggests he will be.  Someone who can replace Star at some point either this year or next.  

 

If you are obsessing over his 40 time as if that means he will be some QB sack specialist at the next level, then I question how much you understand the DT position and what makes them most effective, because 40 time isn't nearly as important as some other traits.  

 

Anyone who says a player will do this or that at the next level before stepping on the field is a fool, and I am no fool.  So I am not going to say he can't be coached up to get to the QB a lot more than he did in college.  However, I will say that its not common to see a guy come into the NFL and start excelling at something he didn't excel at in college.  Especially one whose played for a big time program and high quality coaches.  Better approach with Davis is to assume he will help your run D and eat some space, anything else would be a bonus.  

 

You want a run stuffing space eater, then makes sense to draft him.  You want a penetrating DT like Donald, then odds are not great that is what you are getting because that is not what his film suggests, even with that straight line speed (something a DT rarely uses).  

 

Personally I see him going anywhere from mid first to early second, which is where he was slated before his 40 time.  I just don't think the 40 time changes much for him, it sure doesn't show up on his film. 

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Is it something he can't do or is it something others can do better? That DL was loaded with pass rushers. Their 3rd DT is a top 10 pick next year.

That is the question right there isn’t it…, 

Edited March 7, 2022 by Don Otreply

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I heard that on LockedOn too. Listen to Davis during interviews and tell me what about that guys personality says he won’t do everything he is asked. Comparing him to Darrius is ignorant. Davis is a great guy, teammates love him, and he has speed, agility, and size. I can remember when those where all things you wanted from an interior dline. I respect the heck out of Joe, but think he might be wrong on this one. Like Joe said “you aren’t scouting, if you don’t miss on a player e v a l.”. 

He may be wrong, he’s basing it off film. he didn’t compare him to Dareus though. Not sure where that comes in?  But again, if the film shows otherwise then he won’t be there at 25 anyway. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I heard that on LockedOn too. Listen to Davis during interviews and tell me what about that guys personality says he won’t do everything he is asked. Comparing him to Darrius is ignorant. Davis is a great guy, teammates love him, and he has speed, agility, and size. I can remember when those where all things you wanted from an interior dline. I respect the heck out of Joe, but think he might be wrong on this one. Like Joe said “you aren’t scouting, if you don’t miss on a player e v a l.”. 

 

 

Dareus was considered an inspirational story of overcoming hardship coming out of Alabama.    There was no evidence of any potential motivation issues with him whatsoever.    And of course he was a much, much greater prospect than Davis......which is why he went high in a loaded top 10.   Dareus was a play maker not just a big body who made no plays but showed lots of track speed.

 

We know you are a Georgia fan and they have a bunch of great athletes in this draft but you are showing your lack of overall perspective here.

[Motor26]

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Dareus was considered an inspirational story of overcoming hardship coming out of Alabama.    There was no evidence of any potential motivation issues with him whatsoever.    And of course he was a much, much greater prospect than Davis......which is why he went high in a loaded top 10.   Dareus was a play maker not just a big body who made no plays but showed lots of track speed.

 

We know you are a Georgia fan and they have a bunch of great athletes in this draft but you are showing your lack of overall perspective here.

Dareus when motivated and in shape was incredible to see a man his size do the things he did. Really felt bad for the guy for all the tragedy he had to endure in his life. But man this is bringing back memories of how much of a stud he was…

[TheFunPolice]

This guy sounds like a create a player DT I used to make in Madden!

 

I'd like to see him add 10-20 pounds, but we can take care of that with a few trips to some local Buffalo eateries

Edited March 7, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

I feel like those who are saying we do not need Davis at 25 (if he's available) will be the same people crying about if/when D Henry runs for 150+ on the Bills and they did not address the run defense when they had a chance

It’s not about needing Davis. They  have a need at DT. They can address the need at DT without drafting Davis in the 1st round. There are arguably better prospects at the position in the draft alone. If they don’t address it at all and the defense gets run on, the fans have a right to b-word about it but its not just about this one guy.

Edited March 7, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s not about needing Davis. They  have a need at DT. They can address the need at DT without drafting Davis in the 1st round. There are arguably better prospects at the position in the draft alone. If they don’t address it at all and the defense gets run on, the fans have a right to b-word about it but its not just about this one guy.

 

 

DT is the position on the field where "want to" is the most important part of the evaluation, IMO.

 

You need baseline talent.........but ceilings and floors on top DT prospects tend to be the players with the greatest separation.

 

I like drafting them at a point where they are incentivized to play hard from day one..........we will see if the draft process plays out this way but there are a lot of physically capable/talented DT prospects that project going in day 3 and I think the Bills need to come away with 1 or 2 of them.

[cale]

On 3/5/2022 at 4:17 PM, jkeerie said:

I actually like DeVonte Wyatt.  He beat Jordan's time and he can get after the QB.

 

Agreed. Draft this kid and move him all over line. I like him better than Davis. Davis will have a great career. But Wyatt is more versatile.

[jkeerie]

8 minutes ago, cale said:

 

Agreed. Draft this kid and move him all over line. I like him better than Davis. Davis will have a great career. But Wyatt is more versatile.

Jordan Davis played at 360 at Georgia (they wanted him at 325 but he had weight issues), but was down to 340 at the combine.  If he could stay there or maybe a bit lighter, he could probably be a 3 down lineman.  I think after his combine performance, he likely will be gone by 25.  

[billsfan89]

16 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

According to Joe Marino, he has had well over six-hundred snaps, and has had a total of thirty (30) QB pressures, the guy doesn’t appear to get after the QB if these stats are accurate, if he can’t do it at the college level, he likely can’t do it at the pro level, just something to think about, 

 

I don't think he will be there at pick 25. I think the Chargers or Ravens will use him to bolster their run defense and hope that his tremendous physical profile can be formed into a better pass rusher at the pro level. If he is the Bills pick at pick 25 I won't hate it. The Bills could use more bulk up the middle, I just don't think he will be there at pick 25.

[YoloinOhio]

16 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Jordan Davis played at 360 at Georgia (they wanted him at 325 but he had weight issues), but was down to 340 at the combine.  If he could stay there or maybe a bit lighter, he could probably be a 3 down lineman.  I think after his combine performance, he likely will be gone by 25.  

Apparently the issue is that he’s fluctuated from 340 to 380 and hadn’t sustained a particular weight. Not a surprise he came in “light” to the combine. He can still move fast at his playing weight so it wouldn’t matter to me if he was 360 but just a matter of whether he can and wants to manage the position and weight expectations of the team that takes him. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Apparently the issue is that he’s fluctuated from 340 to 380 and hadn’t sustained a particular weight. Not a surprise he came in “light” to the combine. He can still move fast at his playing weight so it wouldn’t matter to me if he was 360 but just a matter of whether he can and wants to manage the position and weight expectations of the team that takes him. 

That's really where we have an advantage now as opposed to the drought years, there is an expectation to win now. There will be pressure from the other players on him, and I for one am glad that he was able to drop some weight because it would tell me if he's focused he can get it done. So as a coach I'm having the captains of the team demand excellence from him. I think he can add a dimension to this defense and will be someone who makes the players around him better, assuming he wants to put the work in. I especially like the idea of him batting balls down, it will be tough for any qb to throw over him.

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

He may be wrong, he’s basing it off film. he didn’t compare him to Dareus though. Not sure where that comes in?  But again, if the film shows otherwise then he won’t be there at 25 anyway. 

Joe hinted that Davis has a sweet tooth and has had weight issues. I am connected some dots between and unmotivated guy like Dareus turned out to be and someone not keeping weight down. When I listen to Davis and talk with guys who know the program, Davis is a high character guy. I think he can do anything asked if him, and will.

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Dareus was considered an inspirational story of overcoming hardship coming out of Alabama.    There was no evidence of any potential motivation issues with him whatsoever.    And of course he was a much, much greater prospect than Davis......which is why he went high in a loaded top 10.   Dareus was a play maker not just a big body who made no plays but showed lots of track speed.

 

We know you are a Georgia fan and they have a bunch of great athletes in this draft but you are showing your lack of overall perspective here.

Time will tell. You are right, I am a UGA fan, the team that just won the NC with epic defensive play. Dareus always struck me as a guy who was talented but never loved football. I don’t think that’s the case with Davis. You have gone on the record with your takes as well, both yours and mine are opinions. Enjoy. 

[TheFunPolice]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Apparently the issue is that he’s fluctuated from 340 to 380 and hadn’t sustained a particular weight. Not a surprise he came in “light” to the combine. He can still move fast at his playing weight so it wouldn’t matter to me if he was 360 but just a matter of whether he can and wants to manage the position and weight expectations of the team that takes him. 

 

I would be the worst coach of all time for Davis...

 

340? What are you sick or something and not eating? Here's a list of the best restaurants in WNY. You put in the work and come to camp ready to be my 1T DT!  

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Joe hinted that Davis has a sweet tooth and has had weight issues. I am connected some dots between and unmotivated guy like Dareus turned out to be and someone not keeping weight down. When I listen to Davis and talk with guys who know the program, Davis is a high character guy. I think he can do anything asked if him, and will.

Time will tell. You are right, I am a UGA fan, the team that just won the NC with epic defensive play. Dareus always struck me as a guy who was talented but never loved football. I don’t think that’s the case with Davis. You have gone on the record with your takes as well, both yours and mine are opinions. Enjoy. 

 

 

Well leading up to that draft Dareus was just a fun-loving dude from maybe the worst hardship case we'd ever heard of for such a highly regarded prospect and he not only played for for a NC he had the play of the game.........a pick 6 on Colt McCoy in that game.     His Q rating was high and he immediately became a favorite with Bills fans as "Mr. Big Stuff".   So not sure where the "always" part was but if you felt that way without any evidence then you are quite the cynic(or as a Dogs fan, just a hater).

 

I try not to put too much stock in what the kids say in the draft process but Jordan Davis' "this isn't the end" takes after his on field workouts at the combine are the kind of things that people with nearby finish lines say.    If you are planning to have a long NFL career and have lot's of success then you might not be noting that it's not the end when it hasn't even started yet. 

[YoloinOhio]

39 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

I would be the worst coach of all time for Davis...

 

340? What are you sick or something and not eating? Here's a list of the best restaurants in WNY. You put in the work and come to camp ready to be my 1T DT!  

Weight isn’t the issue for me. It’s stamina vs speed, offenses that will spread out to make him a non factor. Etc. McDermott likes to rotate DL so I don’t really mind that he hasn’t shown he can play a lot of snaps. We can only go on his past performance at this point though, I feel like other prospects have better film at the position. But he’s intriguing for sure. 

[Green Lightning]

On 3/7/2022 at 1:49 PM, cale said:

 

Agreed. Draft this kid and move him all over line. I like him better than Davis. Davis will have a great career. But Wyatt is more versatile.

Billsy. Keep putting 3 techs at nose and wonder why we get bulldozed by good running teams.

[mannc]

On 3/5/2022 at 2:25 PM, HappyDays said:

Sweet. Hopefully another team above us in the 1st round gets bamboozled by his athletic traits and a more valuable player falls to us as a result.

Yep, Jordan Davis is a bust waiting to happen. He was a four-year starter at UGA, over which time he generated a grand total of 7 sacks and 31 solo tackles.  He’s a guy who’s struggled with his weight and probably doesn’t love football.  I can’t wait to see which team wastes a first round pick on this combine warrior…I just hope it’s not the Bills.

[mannc]

On 3/7/2022 at 7:03 AM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I heard that on LockedOn too. Listen to Davis during interviews and tell me what about that guys personality says he won’t do everything he is asked. Comparing him to Darrius is ignorant. Davis is a great guy, teammates love him, and he has speed, agility, and size. I can remember when those where all things you wanted from an interior dline. I respect the heck out of Joe, but think he might be wrong on this one. Like Joe said “you aren’t scouting, if you don’t miss on a player e v a l.”. 

Davis had 7 sacks in four full seasons as a starter at UGA, and that includes plenty of games against teams like Valdosta State and Furman.  There is zero reason to think he’s going to become a guy who affects the passer in the NFL…there’s a much better chance that he becomes a guy who eats himself out of the league in a few years. Hard pass.

[BarleyNY]

25 minutes ago, mannc said:

Davis had 7 sacks in four full seasons as a starter at UGA, and that includes plenty of games against teams like Valdosta State and Furman.  There is zero reason to think he’s going to become a guy who affects the passer in the NFL…there’s a much better chance that he becomes a guy who eats himself out of the league in a few years. Hard pass.

The weirdest thing about him is that with his physical abilities there’s no reason he shouldn’t have been affecting the passing game.  I get why people get excited about him when they think of what he could become, but what percentage do you give that?  I don’t think he makes it to 25, but he seems like the kind of prospect the Bills would draft there if he is. 

[CapeBreton]

 

Pittsburgh is at 20, maybe he figures the Chargers will take him at 17.

[Big Blitz]

I'm all in - good with moving up to get him.  If he's there at 15-20 and we have to trade up, I'm doing it.  Flip the 25th and - a 2nd rounder next year? to get to 15?  Idk but it won't cost another 1st.  I've cooled on moving firsts bc of the Cap. 

 

But haven't I been the guy pounding the table to move up for a CB?  I'm good with that - its not that I'm against the idea.  But does the CB do anything to help stop Chubb, Taylor, Ekeler, Williams in Denver, Henry, Mixon, Carter, Stevenson, Harris and Mostart in Miami where they are sure to run it 50% of the time, Najee, Dobbins, CEH...... this should be a priority to despite it being 2022.  Disagree all you want.  It's advantage you when you can completely stop a run game with just your front 6.  

 

I think the changes and additions up front help against the pass.  But still concerned about the run.  So if you can add a guy in the middle that's our Vita Vea (11 sacks in 4 years btw for those worried about Davis sack totals).......that can completely neutralize the run game you do it.  Again, not against drafting the 5th corner on the board - White was the 5th CB in 2017. 

 

Just very intrigued with what Davis can do for this D.  It starts with Oliver not being double teamed anywhere near as much.  Imagine what that alone does for the defense?

 

Which would look like this down the middle:

 

Davis/Oliver

Edmonds/Milano

Poyer/Hyde 

 

That's an immediate Round 1 game changing impact player that will play and impact the game - not be behind Diggs and Davis.  Which, I'm also not against a WR btw.  I think I'm just comfortable with being able to find one in RD2.  Watson and others will be in the 45-60 range.

 

Sign a CB and still draft one...or 2.  And a Safety.   

 

Pray for White to be 100%.    

 

 

Book hotels in Vegas.  

 

Edited April 8, 2022 by Big Blitz

[boyst]

on the record here: he will be a bust in the NFL and end up like Dion Jordan many others prior

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

I'm all in.  If he's there at 15-20 and we have to trade up, I'm doing it.  Flip the 25th and - a 2nd rounder next year? to get to 15?  Idk but it won't cost another 1st.  I've cooled on moving firsts bc of the Cap. 

do for this D.  It starts with Oliver not being double teamed anywhere near as much.  Imagine what that alone does for the defense?

 

Book hotels in Vegas.  

 

I'm not trading up in the first round for a one trick pony after beefing up the interior with Jones and Settle.  I worry about his work ethic as his weight in college constantly fluctuated.  If he's there at 25 then I wouldn't have a problem with the Bills selecting him but trading up for him is dumb.  The Super Bowl is in Arizona btw.  

Edited April 8, 2022 by Doc Brown

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I'm not trading up in the first round for a one trick pony after beefing up the interior with Jones and Settle.  I worry about his work ethic as his weight in college constantly fluctuated.  If he's there at 25 then I wouldn't have a problem with the Bills selecting him but trading up for him is dumb.  The Super Bowl is in Arizona btw.  

 

I don't understand this one trick pony stuff.  That one trick completely negates the running game if he's elite at what he does.  I think he is.  Isn't Vea a one trick pony?  

 

If Davis is available at pick 15 or 16 and we can swap I'd do it. 

 

However - If we're able to pull that off without it costing a first, and the WR we love is there......fine, take him.  My WRs would be London, Wilson, or Williams but I think they'll be gone.  So I'd wait on one.  I'd then take Davis.  

 

The Chargers 17, Steelers, 20, and Patriots 21, won't trade with us.  The options are really the Eagles and Saints picks (15, 16, 18, 19) if we hope to move up and it not cost us a 2023 first.   That's Davis territory - but I think the Chargers would take him at 17 so all this would be moot.  

 

I wouldn't trade more then a 3rd....2nd at most in 2023 if that gets it done only to move into the 15 to 20 range.  If we're moving in to the top 15 that's going to cost a 2023 1st and I'm only doing that for a WR.  Again I've cooled on this.   

 

And my top CBs will be gone..

 

Sauce - top 5-7

Stingley - Jets

McDuffie - Seattle 

Booth - anywhere between 10 and 24 maybe top 15-17?  Chargers?  

 

 

If Davis is the real deal this defense shoots to a whole other level.  Elam or Booth (who I do like), I'm not sure do that 

 

Secondary obviously crucial.  But elite trench play changes games.  

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I don't understand this one trick pony stuff.  That one trick completely negates the running game if he's elite at what he does.  I think he is.  Isn't Vea a one trick pony?  

 

If Davis is available at pick 15 or 16 and we can swap I'd do it. 

 

However - If we're able to pull that off without it costing a first, and the WR we love is there......fine, take him.  My WRs would be London, Wilson, or Williams but I think they'll be gone.  So I'd wait on one.  I'd then take Davis.  

 

The Chargers 17, Steelers, 20, and Patriots 21, won't trade with us.  The options are really the Eagles and Saints picks (15, 16, 18, 19) if we hope to move up and it not cost us a 2023 first.   That's Davis territory - but I think the Chargers would take him at 17 so all this would be moot.  

 

I wouldn't trade more then a 3rd....2nd at most in 2023 if that gets it done only to move into the 15 to 20 range.  If we're moving in to the top 15 that's going to cost a 2023 1st and I'm only doing that for a WR.  Again I've cooled on this.   

 

And my top CBs will be gone..

 

Sauce - top 5-7

Stingley - Jets

McDuffie - Seattle 

Booth - anywhere between 10 and 24 maybe top 15-17?  Chargers?  

 

 

If Davis is the real deal this defense shoots to a whole other level.  Elam or Booth (who I do like), I'm not sure do that 

 

Secondary obviously crucial.  But elite trench play changes games.  

Fortunately, there is near zero chance of Beane using a first round pick on a two-down defensive tackle…no comparison between Davis and Vita Vea…

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 3/16/2022 at 1:06 PM, CapeBreton said:

 

Pittsburgh is at 20, maybe he figures the Chargers will take him at 17.

 

Worst case scenario - the guy is plug and play early down run disruptor.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

I don't understand this one trick pony stuff.  That one trick completely negates the running game if he's elite at what he does.  I think he is.  Isn't Vea a one trick pony?  

 

If Davis is available at pick 15 or 16 and we can swap I'd do it. 

 

However - If we're able to pull that off without it costing a first, and the WR we love is there......fine, take him.  My WRs would be London, Wilson, or Williams but I think they'll be gone.  So I'd wait on one.  I'd then take Davis.  

 

The Chargers 17, Steelers, 20, and Patriots 21, won't trade with us.  The options are really the Eagles and Saints picks (15, 16, 18, 19) if we hope to move up and it not cost us a 2023 first.   That's Davis territory - but I think the Chargers would take him at 17 so all this would be moot.  

 

I wouldn't trade more then a 3rd....2nd at most in 2023 if that gets it done only to move into the 15 to 20 range.  If we're moving in to the top 15 that's going to cost a 2023 1st and I'm only doing that for a WR.  Again I've cooled on this.   

 

And my top CBs will be gone..

 

Sauce - top 5-7

Stingley - Jets

McDuffie - Seattle 

Booth - anywhere between 10 and 24 maybe top 15-17?  Chargers?  

 

 

If Davis is the real deal this defense shoots to a whole other level.  Elam or Booth (who I do like), I'm not sure do that 

 

Secondary obviously crucial.  But elite trench play changes games.  

 

Our last 2 2nds and 1st round pick are all defensive linemen.  Oliver in 2019.  We signed Von Miller, Daquan Jones, Tim Settle, Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson etc.  

 

Seems reckless - especially with a corner we aren't 100% will be available right away, and a 3rd year guy opposite him.  We also have like 0 offensive line depth - and I'm not really certain outside of 3 of them that we even have a particularly strong top 5.  Could probably use a WR.  Edmunds is on a 5th year option.  

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8 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Our last 2 2nds and 1st round pick are all defensive linemen.  Oliver in 2019.  We signed Von Miller, Daquan Jones, Tim Settle, Jordan Phillips, Shaq Lawson etc.  

 

Seems reckless - especially with a corner we aren't 100% will be available right away, and a 3rd year guy opposite him.  We also have like 0 offensive line depth - and I'm not really certain outside of 3 of them that we even have a particularly strong top 5.  Could probably use a WR.  Edmunds is on a 5th year option.  

 

 

How many of those DTs will be on the team in 2024?  Or even 2023

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Power and burst off the LOS is what really matter and what’s between his ears.

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6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

How many of those DTs will be on the team in 2024?  Or even 2023

 

Who cares?  We're trying to win a super bowl in 2022.  3 firsts and 2 2nds in a 4 year period - while also signing von miller?  Who would we even cut? 

 

Oliver is on a rookie deal so costs the same to cut as keep - not that we would cut him

Daquan jones would be a 10M dead cap hit vs 3.58 cap hit to keep him

Jordan Phillips would be a 4.25M dead cap hit vs a 3.5 cap hit to keep him

Settle would be a 5M dead cap hit vs 2.675 cap hit to keep him

 

So you lose cap space whomever you get rid of... and you also acquire cap hit for davis.  And I'm not sure he's better today, than any of them.