CountDorkula Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: So, because McD didn't come out and put everyone at fault on full blast in the media...more "nameless players" feel he's not practicing accountability? Of course had he done that the same "nameless player" might say he's throwing guys under the bus and airing dirty laundry. BTW, as far as holding people accountable...where is the ST Coordinator now? Oh right...gone. Allowed to look for other opportunities. Or if the guys contract was up...he wasn't retained. Seems accountability may have happened. speulcation this morning is McD overruled the ST coordinator and he resigned..... so......... 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: See above. players will tell you it's not conjecture. He clearly blamed their "execution" for the collapse. I've basically seen all of McD's interviews since then. He includes himself in the failed execution and never once has named anyone else. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 so another way of saying this that would make it a non-story is "insiders confirm theres a normal and healthy amount of friction amongst staff".... got it. moving on. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Coach Tuesday Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 We will find out pretty quickly next season. If the players start tuning out McD because of the Chiefs debacle (which 100% was a McD failure), it’ll show up as soon as they face some adversity. 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: We will find out pretty quickly next season. If the players start tuning out McD because of the Chiefs debacle (which 100% was a McD failure), it’ll show up as soon as they face some adversity. Yes it will, but rose colored galsses folks will tell you because people arnt being named that its all a bunch of nothing,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: speulcation this morning is McD overruled the ST coordinator and he resigned..... so......... Speculation from whom? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: So the first part of this is saying he should do what he has done at many pressers for years. The second part says it's disingenuous and fake. I’m talking about this specific game, these specific 13 seconds. Arguably the worst loss in Bills history. How he handled it afterwords was weak, and it’s clearly bothering some of his coaches and players. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, CountDorkula said: Yes it will, but rose colored galsses folks will tell you because people arnt being named that its all a bunch of nothing,. so what does "isnt all that unusual" mean to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Every time I bring it up people want to cry but this defense needs to be better. I bet there is friction because of the way Fraizer calls the defense. We had wonderful stats this season…I fully understand that. We also played against a lot of really bad Offenses. It seems like every good QB carves us. It also seems like when we truly need a big stop, we rarely get it. Physical teams push us around and we can’t stop the run. We have elite talent in the backend of this defense. I think we could be an all time defense with the right DC. I bet McDermott feels like the stats don’t tell the tale here and that they are capable of being better. Probably causes friction The defense absolutely needs to be better. I don't care what the ranking was they were not a #1 defense. Got shredded against good teams every time. It will be interesting to see what Beane does this offseason with the draft and FA. I know CB is a need but I hope Beane can improve the front 7 with an improved pass rush and run defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: so what does "isnt all that unusual" mean to you? Goes and checks how many other teams are talking about friction between coaching staff and speculation that the ST coordinator resigned because of a disagreement about a crucial play with a HC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, Billsflyer12 said: I’m talking about this specific game, these specific 13 seconds. Arguably the worst loss in Bills history. How he handled it afterwords was weak, and it’s clearly bothering some of his coaches and players. Nameless, faceless coaches and players. Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Nah, dude was good, but kinda fell off when he hitched his wagon to Whaley/Monos and tried to stir the pot last year. He went on his own and now needs to sell his product. It was a brave call, but his journalism has got increasingly sensational (not just about the Bills but about other teams to) because he needs to drive traffic and subscriptions as an online independent. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: speulcation this morning is McD overruled the ST coordinator and he resigned..... so......... "Speculation" being even less credible than anonymous sources. So... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: We will find out pretty quickly next season. If the players start tuning out McD because of the Chiefs debacle (which 100% was a McD failure), it’ll show up as soon as they face some adversity. It is one of the things Sean has done very well though in his time here is get people back together after incidents that had the potential to drive them apart. I think that is a skill in itself. Some people have it, some people don't. I don't disagree that is is a challenge for him again at the start of next year coming out of the playoff loss. I'd just expect him to succeed at it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Goes and checks how many other teams are talking about friction between coaching staff and speculation that the ST coordinator resigned because of a disagreement about a crucial play with a HC. YOU are the only one I've seen driving this "speculation". Seems we're in some sort of twitter feedback loop on a line of bull####. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 i love how sources for other teams are incredibly believable, but when it comes to the Bills, "unnamed sources" are false, because it shines the team in a negative light. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: We will find out pretty quickly next season. If the players start tuning out McD because of the Chiefs debacle (which 100% was a McD failure), it’ll show up as soon as they face some adversity. Agreed. A fast start, especially if done convincingly, will go a long ways to smooth things out. If they lose early (and how/why they lose) could lead to a fire from the current smoke. In a perfect world, the Bills take all of this and go on a "revenge" tour next season and destroy the competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, SWATeam said: I've basically seen all of McD's interviews since then. He includes himself in the failed execution and never once has named anyone else. He includes himself, but in a coy way, where he also lets you think it was proabably soemoen elses fault. To me if it was 99% on him, he should've come out within 48 hours of the game and owned it. By leaving it to everyone's imaginations he's doing the coaching staff and team a great disservice. It got to the point where our kicker reposted videos of him squib kicking a day after the game on social media because so many people started speculating that he messed up. McDermott talks the talk, but if it was his fault and he's hiding from it, than how can anyone on the team take him serious? If a player fumbles, McDermott will bench them and ridicule them......but if he's responsible for some truly bone headed decisions he seems to protect himself behind "organizational communication & execution". That's weak, really weak. Edited March 4, 2022 by Estro 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: It is one of the things Sean has done very well though in his time here is get people back together after incidents that had the potential to drive them apart. I think that is a skill in itself. Some people have it, some people don't. I don't disagree that is is a challenge for him again at the start of next year coming out of the playoff loss. I'd just expect him to succeed at it. Favorable breaks in scheduling have also played a key role at keeping the team together and allowing bounce backs. How many times did they write “Bills Get Right” after a loss by beating a completley decimated team. Edited March 4, 2022 by RalphWilson'sNewWar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 "...It comes down to execution, which starts and ends with the Head Coach... I take full responsibility for the execution that wasnt where it needed to be" Same thing he's said all along. What more do people want? Self-flagellation on Empire Sports Network? 4 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 27 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: https://www.golongtd.com/p/it-was-a-bad-bad-situation?s=r “You preach accountability,” one player said. “But you don’t practice it.” Yeah. OK. From the part that's available to the non-paying public we have this: Quote As players watched Super Bowl LVI, three weeks after their defeat, it was as if Matthew Stafford and Joe Burrow were personally pouring salt into their wounds because the game, eh, was OK. Nothing remotely close to the epic they staged with the Chiefs. They’re confident they would’ve beat either squad. Said one player: “Everybody knew that if we just beat Kansas City, we would’ve beat any team.” And another: “We definitely would’ve won the Super Bowl.” As much as the talking heads love repeating the fact that we’ll see Allen and Mahomes duke it out in games like this forever, players know the hard truth. If that represents the general attitude on the team, those players got some growin' up to do. We celebrated after we beat KC in the regular season like it was our Superbowl "THEM BILLS A PROBLEM" then proceeded to lose to the Titans and Jaguars. Just because you CAN beat any team (on paper, based on skill level) doesn't mean you WILL or you DEFINITELY WOULD'VE. KC melted down the Bengals after barely beating us. A big letdown the week after a big win is not uncommon. I suspect one of the players Dunne spoke with is Isaiah McKenzie who 1) is butt-hurt over his benching 2) who by his own account, got on the team plane after the KC loss and loudly finger pointed the defense "I have to go home and pack...because of YOU" 3) who by his own account, missed the team meeting that following morning and came in late You can see where McKenzie would be primed to feel "preach accountability but don't practice it". I think McDermott made the decision to keep it in the position groups because he knew blabbermouths like McK would hang their teammates up to dry if they knew specific players to blame. Quote “You don’t get over,” one player said, “a game like that.” Meanwhile we have 'Zo Alexander who is still plugged in with a number of the players and who says "the players most definitely know" and "the players will handle it". And Siran Neal, who says Quote “It’s in the past and there’s a lot of things that we can go back and re-correct or whatever and restructure,” he said. “But it’s something in the past. It something we’re not going to get into. There’s a lot of things from that game that we could correct and have the outcome of that game to win the game.” Maybe the players like McKenzie that Dunne talked to have a different idea of what accountability means. 6 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, Estro said: He includes himself without ruling anyone else. To me if it was 199% on hin he should've come out within 48 hours if the game and owned it. By leaving it to everyone's imaginations he's doing the coaching staff and team a great disservice. It got to the point where eiur kicker reposted videos of hin squib kicking a day after the game because so many people started speculating that he messed up. McDermott talks the talk, but if it was his fault and he's hiding from it, than hiw can anyone on the team take him serious. If a player fumbles, McDermott will bench them and ridicule them......but if he's responsible for some truly bone headed decisions he seems to protect himself behind "organizational communication & execution". That's weak, really weak. This thread has gone about how i expected it to go. Reports paint Bills in somewhat negative light, TBD comes to defense of team and tries to discount reporters because they wont name sources. If this was another team say the Chiefs that this happened to, this board would be eating it up. sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. 4 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Favorable breaks in scheduling have also played a key role at keeping the team together and allowing bounce backs. Meh, maybe. I'm not sure how favourable a scheduling break it was being sent to Kansas City with the season on the line in 2017 after the Chargers debacle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: ExCtly what I said after his bull ***** post game presser… dude blamed execution and should of just owned it as a gigantic coaching blunder. I do agree his wording was poor. He should've just said he needs to be better. You can see a little change at the combine. He said execution starts and ends with the head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Like sands through the hour glass goes the days of our lives…, Don’t give a rats azs about the soap opera gossip, it’s made up drama for clicks. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: "...It comes down to execution, which starts and ends with the Head Coach... I take full responsibility for the execution that wasnt where it needed to be" Same thing he's said all along. What more do people want? Self-flagellation on Empire Sports Network? The word "accountability" is one of the most misused words in current pro sports fandom. Fans think unless someone is fired or publicly humiliated they have not been held accountable. Unfortunately it is the way our twisted, social media obsessed society has gone. 2 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, ScottLaw said: I think the combine was the first time he actually did take accountability…. But had to blame execution… dude was passing the buck after the game like a coward though. I think coaching is clearly included in "execution" lol, passing the buck while never once naming anyone to blame... It all stops with him, and he knows it. People are butt hurt because they didn't get the explanations they "deserve" 5 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: This thread has gone about how i expected it to go. Reports paint Bills in somewhat negative light, TBD comes to defense of team and tries to discount reporters because they wont name sources. If this was another team say the Chiefs that this happened to, this board would be eating it up. sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. In that same vein... It is mentioned that there is friction among a bunch of arrogant, stubborn, driven men in a high-pressure, high-profile environment and TBD immediately jumps to McDermott losing the team and not being a good leader because he didnt say something (which he has actually said over and over). Lot of you are eating this up as well. Sometimes you just have to call a spade no big deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 47 minutes ago, 4_kidd_4 said: https://www.golongtd.com/p/it-was-a-bad-bad-situation?s=r “You preach accountability,” one player said. “But you don’t practice it.” This piece is written like a Hollywood gossip column from 1956, dripping with sarcasm and innuendo. It's childish. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: "...It comes down to execution, which starts and ends with the Head Coach... I take full responsibility for the execution that wasnt where it needed to be" Same thing he's said all along. What more do people want? Self-flagellation on Empire Sports Network? People want him to say he made the calls and this is what I was trying to accomplish by making the calls. I have said all along the kickoff and defensive play calls were McDermott, not his staff. Those are head coach decisions. No head coach is leaving those decisions up to his staff. I still have an empty space inside that needs to know what those defensive calls were. It'll always be there. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 25 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Every time I bring it up people want to cry but this defense needs to be better. I bet there is friction because of the way Fraizer calls the defense. We had wonderful stats this season…I fully understand that. We also played against a lot of really bad Offenses. It seems like every good QB carves us. It also seems like when we truly need a big stop, we rarely get it. Physical teams push us around and we can’t stop the run. We have elite talent in the backend of this defense. I think we could be an all time defense with the right DC. I bet McDermott feels like the stats don’t tell the tale here and that they are capable of being better. Probably causes friction But it wasn’t just our schedule, the Bills were the number 1 defense by DVOA which takes into account how that team (the ones on our schedule) did against ALL of their other games. Which means, we did better against the bad teams than others. I’m not saying the Bills defense can’t get better, but just trying to put the narrative that we played a soft schedule in perspective. Soft though it may be, we did better than others who played the same soft teams. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: This thread has gone about how i expected it to go. Reports paint Bills in somewhat negative light, TBD comes to defense of team and tries to discount reporters because they wont name sources. If this was another team say the Chiefs that this happened to, this board would be eating it up. sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. That’s partially accurate, but assuming a source is pure of heart, completely honest with no motive beyond transparency is sort of naive. Additionally, some folks like to pretend they are more dialed in than they actually are. I’d think it would be highly improbable that a coaching staff operating at the highest level of professional sports wouldn’t have disagreements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: In that same vein... It is mentioned that there is friction among a bunch of arrogant, stubborn, driven men in a high-pressure, high-profile environment and TBD immediately jumps to McDermott losing the team and not being a good leader because he didnt say something (which he has actually said over and over). Lot of you are eating this up as well. Sometimes you just have to call a spade no big deal. Exactly this. Nobody is saying there isn't friction, or there won't be friction, or that the coaching staff won't have to spend some time at the start of the off-season workouts and then again at the start of camp making sure that the team is over what happened, is together and is ready to focus on 2022. I don't think anyone is saying "these reporters are lying!" Just that it is a sensationalised reaction to a legitimate story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) Can’t trust a total hack like Tyler Dunne to not make things up for hits to his website. Maybe Whaley was his source again. Edited March 4, 2022 by Rico 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: "...It comes down to execution, which starts and ends with the Head Coach... I take full responsibility for the execution that wasnt where it needed to be" Same thing he's said all along. What more do people want? Self-flagellation on Empire Sports Network? All the butt hurt drama queens gotta drama, it’s their MO. Nothing to see here, move along, 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Yawn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 10 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: This thread has gone about how i expected it to go. Reports paint Bills in somewhat negative light, TBD comes to defense of team and tries to discount reporters because they wont name sources. If this was another team say the Chiefs that this happened to, this board would be eating it up. sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade. The Chiefs you say? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 McKenzie in that sit down interview days after the game said he honestly didn’t know what happened. Said he tried to find out because he’s the gossip king on the roster or something like that, but was running into dead ends. It’s very likely he’s one of Dunne’s sources and it’s also likely STers didn’t know the defensive play calls and vice versa, so no players are entirely aware what happened - unless, possibly, if they were on the kickoff coverage and played those last two defensive plays. And those are the guys that aren’t talking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: People want him to say he made the calls and this is what I was trying to accomplish by making the calls. So let's just follow this to its conclusion. If McDermott says that, then the X's and O's squad will be breaking down role/responsibilities for that call and looking at which players did or did not execute those responsibilities. It will end by fingering specific players - which is something McDermott seems to want to avoid. And given that we know players who got key penalties or visibly missed a block or the like in a playoff loss have LITERALLY GOTTEN DEATH THREATS from fans, I'm with McD here. 5 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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