Honestly what do you do moving forward?

[ganesh]

38 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I love the move. I’ve been on a “crusade” the last couple weeks.. I’m back. 😉

 

Exactly what they needed. Sends a message to the rest of the team they mean business and are going for it…. Not really a fan of them essentially using the rest of the cap on the defensive line but they still can maneuver to bring in another solid pick up or two… still don’t love the state of their offensive line… thought they’d attack it a lot more than they have… hopefully it means their draft is going to be offensive heavy. 👍🏻

Hope so.  Draft should net in a starting CB,  speedy WR and a lot of depth for OL.    Everything else is set up for this team to win the SB 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On 1/30/2022 at 4:20 PM, Ethan in Portland said:

Interior OL and defense. 

Lol, looks like Beane agreed...

[Ethan in Cleveland]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I’m with you in on the OL.  I expect at least 1 OL in the first 3 rds then another 1 later.  Retaining Bates will be key, but I think he’s gone 

 

 

Agree. I just think with letting Williams go and signing Saffold they will draft OT that can play guard instead of C/G first. The second OL they draft will be later and an interior guy. 

The wildcard is Ford. Can he at least be average with Kromer as a coach? Doesn't look like it but it would help alot if Bates leaves

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Agree. I just think with letting Williams go and signing Saffold they will draft OT that can play guard instead of C/G first. The second OL they draft will be later and an interior guy. 

The wildcard is Ford. Can he at least be average with Kromer as a coach? Doesn't look like it but it would help alot if Bates leaves

I agree. Always prefer to draft a tackle that can play some OG too.  Mafia might be sold on Spencer @ RT, I’m not.  He seems like a great run blocker and even better in pass protection after the play has broken down and Josh is scrambling around doing his things biding time for the receivers to get open.  In pass protection off the snap…. He’s reminds her of Colin Brown @ tackle.  He really gets beat badly at times.  Never seen an OG his size, but would love to give it a try.  Dude can move and would be great pulling imo.  But can he can help play the position?  Would love to land Penning and put those guys side by side.  Josh might not be able to see over them though. 

[Rubes]

58 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I agree. Always prefer to draft a tackle that can play some OG too.  Mafia might be sold on Spencer @ RT, I’m not.  He seems like a great run blocker and even better in pass protection after the play has broken down and Josh is scrambling around doing his things biding time for the receivers to get open.  In pass protection off the snap…. He’s reminds her of Colin Brown @ tackle.  He really gets beat badly at times.  Never seen an OG his size, but would love to give it a try.  Dude can move and would be great pulling imo.  But can he can help play the position?  Would love to land Penning and put those guys side by side.  Josh might not be able to see over them though. 

 

I mean, let's not go too overboard here...the left side of our line is very strong with Dawkins and Saffold, Morse is no All-Pro but he's a very good C, and I get that people aren't sold on Spencer yet, but he did show great promise as a rookie and should get even better with another year and Kromer. Really, the only real weakness is a single position, RG. They'll take care of it one way or another. How many teams are strong at all five positions?

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

My plan is to stay here on my couch, and trust that the guys getting paid to make these decisions know what their doing.  
 

Edited March 19, 2022 by buffaloboyinATL

[NewEra]

26 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

I mean, let's not go too overboard here...the left side of our line is very strong with Dawkins and Saffold, Morse is no All-Pro but he's a very good C, and I get that people aren't sold on Spencer yet, but he did show great promise as a rookie and should get even better with another year and Kromer. Really, the only real weakness is a single position, RG. They'll take care of it one way or another. How many teams are strong at all five positions?

 

Going overboard?  Right now we have Ford and Brown on the right side.  
 

You don’t see Brown as a weakness….but he’s not a good RT yet.  He’s not even average.  We’re banking on him improving but as of now….he should be worried about.      I wasn’t worried about Cody ford going into year 2.  I knew could improve.  But then he didn’t. We were using Knox to chip on Browns side because they didn’t trust him fully.  And as of now he’ll be lined up next to who? Yeah.  Ford.  

nice block with the season on the line 

we have a $250M qb and one of the worst right sides in the league.  

 

Edited March 19, 2022 by NewEra

[billsfan_34]

Don’t screw up 13 seconds, advance to the Super Bowl and win it! We are built to compete with anyone and hoist the Lombardi.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

57 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Going overboard?  Right now we have Ford and Brown on the right side.  
 

You don’t see Brown as a weakness….but he’s not a good RT yet.  He’s not even average.  We’re banking on him improving but as of now….he should be worried about.      I wasn’t worried about Cody ford going into year 2.  I knew could improve.  But then he didn’t. We were using Knox to chip on Browns side because they didn’t trust him fully.  And as of now he’ll be lined up next to who? Yeah.  Ford.  

nice block with the season on the line 

we have a $250M qb and one of the worst right sides in the league.  

 

 

I mean you show 1 play where our rookie RT is going up against one of the premiere pass rushers in the NFL Melvin Ingram, even the best get beat some times. I thought Spencer Brown held his own for a rookie coming off the bench. We aren't going to have all pros all along the OL, it's just not going to happen and Josh Allen will have to improvise while some of these guys mature. 

[NewEra]

29 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

I mean you show 1 play where our rookie RT is going up against one of the premiere pass rushers in the NFL Melvin Ingram, even the best get beat some times. I thought Spencer Brown held his own for a rookie coming off the bench. We aren't going to have all pros all along the OL, it's just not going to happen and Josh Allen will have to improvise while some of these guys mature. 

I showed one play becssue I don’t have the technology or the time to show all of the mistakes….he’s made PLENTY

[boater]

On 1/23/2022 at 10:24 PM, BillsEnthusiast said:

Trade our first rounder for a bonifide superstar linebacker to go with Milano. Get rid of Edmunds. 

 

Cut the old weight on this team - Hughes, Addison, Beasley, etc. 

 

Fire Frazier if no one hires him. 

#1 rated defense, and you're going to fire the guy.

 

Yeah, the thirteen seconds sucked. But firing Frazier is like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Agree. I just think with letting Williams go and signing Saffold they will draft OT that can play guard instead of C/G first. The second OL they draft will be later and an interior guy. 

The wildcard is Ford. Can he at least be average with Kromer as a coach? Doesn't look like it but it would help alot if Bates leaves

  

   Or maybe Williams gets signed back but at a more acceptable pay rate for a guard that's not at top of position rankings.

[GoBills808]

40 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

I mean you show 1 play where our rookie RT is going up against one of the premiere pass rushers in the NFL Melvin Ingram, even the best get beat some times. I thought Spencer Brown held his own for a rookie coming off the bench. We aren't going to have all pros all along the OL, it's just not going to happen and Josh Allen will have to improvise while some of these guys mature. 

Brown was not good at all in pass protection. He was ok in run blocking. 

[BillsShredder83]

14 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I love the move. I’ve been on a “crusade” the last couple weeks.. I’m back. 😉

 

Exactly what they needed. Sends a message to the rest of the team they mean business and are going for it…. Not really a fan of them essentially using the rest of the cap on the defensive line but they still can maneuver to bring in another solid pick up or two… still don’t love the state of their offensive line… thought they’d attack it a lot more than they have… hopefully it means their draft is going to be offensive heavy. 👍🏻

 

14 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah I’m with you in on the OL.  I expect at least 1 OL in the first 3 rds then another 1 later.  Retaining Bates will be key, but I think he’s gone 

 

 

Peace possible in the middle east?

What CAN'T Beane do?!

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

 

Peace possible in the middle east?

What CAN'T Beane do?!

I’m sure he can.  I’m just wondering if he thinks he’s worth it.  The fact that he wouldn’t give him a higher tender is puzzling if in fact he will match an offer structured to make it hard on us to fit.

[Rubes]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

Going overboard?  Right now we have Ford and Brown on the right side.  
 

You don’t see Brown as a weakness….but he’s not a good RT yet.  He’s not even average.  We’re banking on him improving but as of now….he should be worried about.      I wasn’t worried about Cody ford going into year 2.  I knew could improve.  But then he didn’t. We were using Knox to chip on Browns side because they didn’t trust him fully.  And as of now he’ll be lined up next to who? Yeah.  Ford.  

nice block with the season on the line 

we have a $250M qb and one of the worst right sides in the league.  

 

 

 

So you think we should give up on Brown and replace him?

 

[Rockinon]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

I agree. Always prefer to draft a tackle that can play some OG too.  Mafia might be sold on Spencer @ RT, I’m not.  He seems like a great run blocker and even better in pass protection after the play has broken down and Josh is scrambling around doing his things biding time for the receivers to get open.  In pass protection off the snap…. He’s reminds her of Colin Brown @ tackle.  He really gets beat badly at times.  Never seen an OG his size, but would love to give it a try.  Dude can move and would be great pulling imo.  But can he can help play the position?  Would love to land Penning and put those guys side by side.  Josh might not be able to see over them though. 

Both of the tackles drafted last year were considered to be the most athletic in their class. Maybe they are banking on Kromer being able to do something with them and the rest of the OL for that matter. I think there is some logic to that. My opinion is that the OL was playing re-actively instead of taking it to the defense. That is certainly true in regards to the run game. It took half the season before they began to figure things out. Just seems to me that coaching has a lot to do with that. Still think we need more help on the interior. We need a backup center. The one we have is one concussion away from a career ending injury. We need some real power on that interior or at the very least some guys that know how to pull. Can't run with power if you don't have any and can't pull without some speed. I think the coaches took to long time to figure out what kind of a line we had last year. That is something I think Kromer will see right away and be able to suggest who to get to help out. The real need though is not focusing so much on the run but rather keep Josh upright.....something that should be teachable. I'm kind of excited about how things will play out. The OL clearly had issues through the first half of the season. I think issues will be addressed quickly this year.

[NewEra]

14 minutes ago, Rubes said:

 

 

So you think we should give up on Brown and replace him?

 

I think that we should in the market to draft a beastly OT if one is there @ 25.  I think that we need to have a solid G playing next to him.  I think that he needs to improve or josh may get injured due to his ineptness.  I think that some fans think we’re automatically set @ RT for the next 3 years because we have him, while I’m not so sure 

 

I think is a below average RT and we don’t have a RG…..and that it could be a problem. 

16 minutes ago, Rockinon said:

Both of the tackles drafted last year were considered to be the most athletic in their class. Maybe they are banking on Kromer being able to do something with them and the rest of the OL for that matter. I think there is some logic to that. My opinion is that the OL was playing re-actively instead of taking it to the defense. That is certainly true in regards to the run game. It took half the season before they began to figure things out. Just seems to me that coaching has a lot to do with that. Still think we need more help on the interior. We need a backup center. The one we have is one concussion away from a career ending injury. We need some real power on that interior or at the very least some guys that know how to pull. Can't run with power if you don't have any and can't pull without some speed. I think the coaches took to long time to figure out what kind of a line we had last year. That is something I think Kromer will see right away and be able to suggest who to get to help out. The real need though is not focusing so much on the run but rather keep Josh upright.....something that should be teachable. I'm kind of excited about how things will play out. The OL clearly had issues through the first half of the season. I think issues will be addressed quickly this year.

Great post.  I agree 💯.  I just want to see the baby

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I showed one play becssue I don’t have the technology or the time to show all of the mistakes….he’s made PLENTY

 

I'm sure he did, it was his first season in the NFL. I'm not arguing that we need better play there, I hope Kromer will get the very best out of him but for the most part I thought he did a really good job all considering. 

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

The entire play was all Josh Allen. Browns and Williams get annihilated…. That being said I don’t expect Ford to be on the roster next season…. If Ford is any sort of depth player I’ll be scratching my head wondering why they didn’t do more yet again…

There’s numerous examples of Brown getting abused in pass protection…. They don’t need all pros, they just need solid linemen. They’ve had a mediocre to bad line the last two seasons. 

 

You state there are numerous examples.... I'd like to see these. 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

I'm sure he did, it was his first season in the NFL. I'm not arguing that we need better play there, I hope Kromer will get the very best out of him but for the most part I thought he did a really good job all considering. 

 

You state there are numerous examples.... I'd like to see these. 

I think that Josh made him look MUCH better than he was.  More than several plays where he got wrecked off the snap in which Josh should’ve gotten sacked/fumbled…..but no one remembers anything other than Josh making a spectacular play to avoid the sack.  
 

If you’d like to see them….watch the games in which he played.  Why should I waste my precious time on this earth in order to show you something that you missed?  

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

I think that Josh made him look MUCH better than he was.  More than several plays where he got wrecked off the snap in which Josh should’ve gotten sacked/fumbled…..but no one remembers anything other than Josh making a spectacular play to avoid the sack.  
 

If you’d like to see them….watch the games in which he played.  Why should I waste my precious time on this earth in order to show you something that you missed?  

Ill believe it when I see it. Which I haven’t and assuming you didn’t either other than that 1 play you saw on twitter.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

Ill believe it when I see it. Which I haven’t and assuming you didn’t either other than that 1 play you saw on twitter.

You must adult very well.  Good luck with yourself. 

[SoTier]

10 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

There’s numerous examples of Brown getting abused in pass protection…. They don’t need all pros, they just need solid linemen. They’ve had a mediocre to bad line the last two seasons. 

 

^^^

 

9 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Brown was not good at all in pass protection. He was ok in run blocking. 

 

I'd guess that most OLers who start as rookies, even first rounders, get schooled with some regularity their first year -- and improve significantly in their second and third seasons.

 

 

9 hours ago, Rubes said:

 

 

So you think we should give up on Brown and replace him?

 

 

Apparently some posters think this way.   I'm sure that these same critics started out in their careers as top notch performers in their first year.

[The Red King]

Crush the life out of Washington the next time we play them, run up the score and send a message about screwing the Bills?

 

More on what I think you meant, it's tough.  Cap money is tight.  I'd like another TE that can catch the ball.  If you can't cover all of Josh's weapons he will shred you.  That, however, might be done via the draft.

[John from Riverside]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

I think that we should in the market to draft a beastly OT if one is there @ 25.  I think that we need to have a solid G playing next to him.  I think that he needs to improve or josh may get injured due to his ineptness.  I think that some fans think we’re automatically set @ RT for the next 3 years because we have him, while I’m not so sure 

 

I think is a below average RT and we don’t have a RG…..and that it could be a problem. 

Great post.  I agree 💯.  I just want to see the baby

Wasn’t the book on brown that he wasn’t supposed to even be playing in year one but made enough good plays that they kept him on the field I think he will be fine I understand we don’t have anything behind him

[HappyDays]

12 hours ago, NewEra said:

I showed one play becssue I don’t have the technology or the time to show all of the mistakes….he’s made PLENTY

 

Brown certainly had his rookie struggles. But I thought he showed enough upside to feel confident about him heading into 2022. He wasn't even supposed to play this year. He is almost completely new to the position, played at a tiny school, and lost an entire year of college play because of the pandemic. He was known to be a very raw prospect. Sometimes at less valuable positions like RT you have to bank on existing players getting better.

 

That's not to say I don't want us adding some other OL options in the draft or late stage free agency. In fact I'm hoping we'll be able to re-sign Daryl Williams after he realizes his worth is lower than he thought. But I don't see OL as a huge priority that needs to be a focus in the draft no matter what. The focus in the draft should be what it always is, picking the BPA in rounds 1-4 and plugging holes in the later rounds. Anyways I consider CB, DL, and even WR as bigger needs than OL.

 

Edited March 20, 2022 by HappyDays

[BillsFanForever19]

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Brown certainly had his rookie struggles. But I thought he showed enough upside to feel confident about him heading into 2022. He wasn't even supposed to play this year. He is almost completely new to the position, played at a tiny school, and lost an entire year of college play because of the pandemic. He was known to be a very raw prospect. Sometimes at less valuable positions like RT you have to bank on existing players getting better.

 

That's not to say I don't want us adding some other OL options in the draft or late stage free agency. In fact I'm hoping we'll be able to re-sign Daryl Williams after he realizes his worth is lower than he thought. But I don't see OL as a huge priority that needs to be a focus in the draft no matter what. The focus in the draft should be what it always is, picking the BPA in rounds 1-4 and plugging holes in the later rounds. Anyways I consider CB, DL, and even WR as bigger needs than OL.

 

 

I agree with pretty much all of this. Except OG becomes a bigger priority if we lose Ryan Bates. And DL is not something I'm remotely concerned about after all of the moves we made in FA. Maybe some late round depth, but I look at both DE and DT as pretty much set.

 

People are crazy talking about replacing Spencer Brown. For what was supposed to be a pretty green Rookie, he performed WAY ahead of schedule. It wasn't always perfect. But he was solid way more often than not.

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

And DL is not something I'm remotely concerned about after all of the moves we made in FA. Maybe some late round depth, but I look at both DE and DT as pretty much set.

 

I look at it in terms of net gain/loss for the roster.

 

Edge rushers lost: Hughes, Addison, Obada

Edge rushers gained: Miller, Lawson

(-1)

 

DTs lost: H. Phillips, Lotulelei, Butler

DTs gained: Jones, Settle, J. Phillips

(+0)

 

So at DT I agree we are pretty well set, arguably even a fair amount better than we were last year. I thought Oliver showed out in the back half of last season. If we want to go into this season with the exact DT room as it stands today I'm satisfied with that.

 

But at edge rusher we are still -1, and I have basically zero confidence in Epenesa at this point. So I consider out depth at that position to be notably weak. Miller is the only sure thing. Rousseau and Basham we are hoping they take a big step but there's no guarantee they do. Epenesa as mentioned I am not counting on, I would at least be looking for a player that can compete with him in training camp. Lawson is what he is. For a team that loves to rotate its DL I consider edge rusher to be the biggest hole on the roster behind CB, even after adding Miller.

[BillsFanForever19]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I look at it in terms of net gain/loss for the roster.

 

Edge rushers lost: Hughes, Addison, Obada

Edge rushers gained: Miller, Lawson

(-1)

 

DTs lost: H. Phillips, Lotulelei, Butler

DTs gained: Jones, Settle, J. Phillips

(+0)

 

So at DT I agree we are pretty well set, arguably even a fair amount better than we were last year. I thought Oliver showed out in the back half of last season. If we want to go into this season with the exact DT room as it stands today I'm satisfied with that.

 

But at edge rusher we are still -1, and I have basically zero confidence in Epenesa at this point. So I consider out depth at that position to be notably weak. Miller is the only sure thing. Rousseau and Basham we are hoping they take a big step but there's no guarantee they do. Epenesa as mentioned I am not counting on, I would at least be looking for a player that can compete with him in training camp. Lawson is what he is. For a team that loves to rotate its DL I consider edge rusher to be the biggest hole on the roster behind CB, even after adding Miller.

 

Personally, I see WR as a WAY bigger need than DE. We have the same WR's as last season minus Emmanuel Sanders and Cole Beasley. CB being the most important.

 

The 2 starting End's are solid and set in stone. You may not have much faith in Epenesa as a rotational piece, but I don't see them giving up on him. And you don't usually carry 6 DE's. Last year was kind of an anomaly. And I think it was because we didn't have as much faith in the starters at that point as we do now and felt Rousseau may take longer to develop than he needed.

 

And if we're using that same net gain/loss chart, O-Line is higher. Gained Rodger Saffold. Lost Daryl Williams, Jon Feliciano, Ike Boettger, and potentially Ryan Bates. 

 

Same would go for RB. Lost Matt Breida and Taiwan Jones. Gained nothing.

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Wasn’t the book on brown that he wasn’t supposed to even be playing in year one but made enough good plays that they kept him on the field I think he will be fine I understand we don’t have anything behind him

Yeah.  I’m not saying he’s going to suck.  I’m saying that from we’ve seen from him so far, he currently is just a meh RT. Definitely not good. Sure, he can improve.  I expect him to.  But he, and RT, could be a big problem if he doesn’t improve 

[John from Riverside]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah.  I’m not saying he’s going to suck.  I’m saying that from we’ve seen from him so far, he currently is just a meh RT. Definitely not good. Sure, he can improve.  I expect him to.  But he, and RT, could be a big problem if he doesn’t improve 

This is what we run into when cap gets tied and you are paying some players big money......you have to draft and bring along players.

 

I expect a lot more of this as we go along.   Super bowl teams dont have pro bowlers at every position they have difference makers at some of their positions.

 

I just really like Brown's attitude....he wants to hurt you

[NewEra]

21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

This is what we run into when cap gets tied and you are paying some players big money......you have to draft and bring along players.

 

I expect a lot more of this as we go along.   Super bowl teams dont have pro bowlers at every position they have difference makers at some of their positions.

 

I just really like Brown's attitude....he wants to hurt you

For sure.  Which is why I hope can hit on at least one OL in the draft.  I love brown.  I think his future is especially bright now with the addition of Kromer. I just can’t say that he’s a good RT right now or will be in 2022. I obviously hope that he is.  
 

I’m not hating on the guy.  Just saying it how I see it. I’m not the only one who doesn’t think Brown was good in 2021.  I realaize he took a year off and played small school football.  Huge adjustment and all things considered, I expected him to be much worse.  He impressed me at times. And at times he was really bad.  

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 3/19/2022 at 1:15 PM, NewEra said:

Going overboard?  Right now we have Ford and Brown on the right side.  
 

You don’t see Brown as a weakness….but he’s not a good RT yet.  He’s not even average.  We’re banking on him improving but as of now….he should be worried about.      I wasn’t worried about Cody ford going into year 2.  I knew could improve.  But then he didn’t. We were using Knox to chip on Browns side because they didn’t trust him fully.  And as of now he’ll be lined up next to who? Yeah.  Ford.  

nice block with the season on the line 

we have a $250M qb and one of the worst right sides in the league.  

 

That block is sooooooo bad

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

That block is sooooooo bad

“Block”….lol.