2022 FAs

[Seoulofstone]

16 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

So Jerry is already a UFA and Addison is essentially a UFA as he has a 2 million buyout that is in effect.  Neither has a contract on the Salary Cap for next year - so you are not losing their Salary as it is zero when you look at the cap for next year.

 

Therefore - their salaries are not a chunk of money to sign Goodwin or Adams.  The only money you are saving is getting rid of a guy like Beasley saving a few million, but that money will be needed to sign another DE as we have at least 3 FA.  Same goes for WR - we cut Cole to save money, but you have FA in McKenzie and Sanders already and core ST like Kumerow.

 

You are also losing so DT and back-up LBs, depth OL, CB, and back-up QB.  You have several small holes that will need to be filled smartly as you also have Edmunds on his 5th year and a decision on Oliver and his 5th year option.

 

I would prefer to see the Bills sign a ton of mid level guys to fill holes and draft key positions like WR, DE, CB to get younger at those positions.

 

 

 

  I wouldn't be upset with mid-tier players. There are many examples of these players outdoing the big names. In the pff article i linked above they project Haason Reddick at Contract Projection: Three years, $35 million ($11.67M per year, $18 million total guaranteed).

I also like Jamison Crowder at Contract Projection: One year, $4.5 million ($3.5 million total guaranteed)

 

 You would have Rousseau, Basham, Espenesa, Reddick. 

Edited January 22, 2022 by Seoulofstone

[freddyjj]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

juju is actually the opposite. Very misunderstood person. There are few players in the entire NFL more giving of their time and money (in genuine ways) to the community than Juju.  

 

Me first as a teammate - On the field and in the locker room he is a distraction as evidenced by Tomlin having to talk to him on not doing TikTok during pregame.  Immature and unaware is no way to go through life son. 

 

Edited January 22, 2022 by freddyjj

[Sherlock Holmes]

3 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

 

Why didn't you include Ertz?

Cause I rather pick up Kittle & Bits!

[SCBills]

Extend Bates, McKenzie, Harry and Levi.  
 

Lock down Edmunds and Oliver long term.  
 

Move off of Butler, Addison, Hughes, Obada, Beasley and Sanders.  
 

We can probably make one decent FA signing.. I’d agree with those who want a young #2/3 WR.  

 

Plus one low level FA signing..  Would like to get a reliable #2 TE so the drop off from Knox isn’t Top 5 TE to Practice Squad TE. 
 

Draft can go BPA early, with EDGE, DT & IOL a focus in the middle rounds.  

[Ya Digg?]

2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

You have to think logically the Bills needs going into the off season…

Defensively will need another CB or two depending on Levi and Treys progress

Need a DT with Star likely playing out his contract

Need on offense 2TE…since we only have one TE…1WR if Beasley leaves preferably a burner…1 big back to compliment motor since Moss is a bust…and one more olineman 

 

I can see a big free agent splash for 1 guy and still not break the budget 

Why is Moss a bust? He was a third round pick? He’s been fine as a third round pick

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Why is Moss a bust? He was a third round pick? He’s been fine as a third round pick

Id want more out of a 3rd Round Pick RB, but with Singletary showing what he’s capable of, Moss is fine for RB2 next year.  
 

The only place I could see us going RB is late in the draft to get someone to compete with Moss.  
 

Edited January 22, 2022 by SCBills

[Milanos Milano]

I’m actually really disappointed in this board. Signing Adams or Godwin is realistic. Good teams find a way to find 1 elite talent player for their roster to make a super bowl push. If there was ever a time to make that push, it is now. Having Adams or Godwin on this team next to Diggs is nearly unstoppable with McKenzie in the slot. 
 

How do you guard Diggs, Adams, McKenzie? 
 

If it means taking a small step back on retaining defense to make it happen, I would do so in a heart beat. 

[klos63]

5 hours ago, Utah John said:

In last summer's training camp, the Bills had so many NFL-caliber receivers that they had to simply cut guys who were good enough to start on other teams. 

 

Depending on what happens with Emanuel Sanders, the Bills MIGHT be in the market for a WR3.  I think Gabriel Davis is ready to be WR2.

Who did we cut that ended up starting on other teams?  I'm not necessarily questioning you, but I can't remember.

[BADOLBILZ]

33 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Why is Moss a bust? He was a third round pick? He’s been fine as a third round pick

 

A 3rd round pick on a RB is expected to turn into a first option RB.

 

Moss isn't bad but he's not looked like a #1 RB or even shown flashes that he could be one at any point in his 2 year career.

 

[Milanos Milano]

6 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Who did we cut that ended up starting on other teams?  I'm not necessarily questioning you, but I can't remember.

Don’t listen to these guys. They make it seem like we have all world pros at WR, we don’t. 
Give me a rooster that has Evans, Godwin. 
 

Id rather try and give our offense elite talent, and let Allen cook. We can always draft more o-line and defense. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

Me first as a teammate - On the field and in the locker room he is a distraction as evidenced by Tomlin having to talk to him on not doing TikTok during pregame.  Immature and unaware is no way to go through life son. 

 

i don’t disagree re the need to tone the tik tok stuff. But that is the new generation. It’s actually players like him that are critical to the future of the game, not curmudgeons like most of us who don’t do that garbage. 
 

setting that aside, he is a really solid community citizen. Always seeking out fans in the community, doing food drives, helping people out.  I think he has good character, but is also your classic Gen Zer.

 

[Milanos Milano]

1 hour ago, Seoulofstone said:

 

  I wouldn't be upset with mid-tier players. There are many examples of these players outdoing the big names. In the pff article i linked above they project Haason Reddick at Contract Projection: Three years, $35 million ($11.67M per year, $18 million total guaranteed).

I also like Jamison Crowder at Contract Projection: One year, $4.5 million ($3.5 million total guaranteed)

 

 You would have Rousseau, Basham, Espenesa, Reddick. 

I’m tired of average talent. I want elite talent. Why waste money on Crowder? Just go get 1 player with elite talent to pair with Diggs. Why can’t we do it? We can make room if we need to cap wise. If 10x rather get Adams or Godwin. 

[klos63]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Don’t listen to these guys. They make it seem like we have all world pros at WR, we don’t. 
Give me a rooster that has Evans, Godwin. 
 

Id rather try and give our offense elite talent, and let Allen cook. We can always draft more o-line and defense. 

I'm definitely into replacing Sanders and or Beasley with a top flight FA.  Use the draft for other positions.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, klos63 said:

I'm definitely into replacing Sanders and or Beasley with a top flight FA.  Use the draft for other positions.

I mean I understand that high spending in FA usually isn’t worth the money, but in our case it now makes sense. We are 1 elite player from cementing ourselves as super bowl favorites. Having Adams or Godwin makes us instant favorites, without a doubt. We could cut and find space if we really wanted to. 

Diggs, (Adams/Godwin), McKenzie is so scary good, we have to try. 

[BillsVet]

56 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Extend Bates, McKenzie, Harry and Levi.  
 

Lock down Edmunds and Oliver long term.  
 

Move off of Butler, Addison, Hughes, Obada, Beasley and Sanders.  
 

We can probably make one decent FA signing.. I’d agree with those who want a young #2/3 WR.  

 

Plus one low level FA signing..  Would like to get a reliable #2 TE so the drop off from Knox isn’t Top 5 TE to Practice Squad TE. 
 

Draft can go BPA early, with EDGE, DT & IOL a focus in the middle rounds.  

 

Did the cap go to 220M in 2022 and I missed it?  Because they're not going to be able to keep all their (especially defensive) pieces now that Josh's contract is kicking in for 2023.  

 

Said it before, but this is Josh's team and he's how they win games.  A majority of their cap dollars and draft picks needs to be offense.  

 

Defense is gonna need to take a backseat, which means re-signing everyone over there isn't gonna fly anymore.  This off-season should start the transition from being a balanced spending roster between defense and offense to being offense first.  Doesn't mean you can't retain a pass rusher or CB, just that the days are over re-signing everyone at LB, DT, and safety.  

 

It's one thing to build a team into being a contender, but it's even more difficult maintaining a team at a high level as players want to get paid.  We're gonna find out if McBeane have the stuff to know who to move on from, who to re-sign, and how to replace quality veterans lost in UFA with young players on rookie contracts. 

 

 

[Ralonzo]

3 hours ago, Utah John said:

In last summer's training camp, the Bills had so many NFL-caliber receivers that they had to simply cut guys who were good enough to start on other teams. 

 

Depending on what happens with Emanuel Sanders, the Bills MIGHT be in the market for a WR3.  I think Gabriel Davis is ready to be WR2.

 

Until Jameson Williams takes his job

 

Get all the Williams!

[Milanos Milano]

I mean having Adams or Godwin just makes me hyped thinking about it. You can’t double Diggs and Adams and then leave McKenzie open underneath, so someone is going to feast. 

[klos63]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Extend Bates, McKenzie, Harry and Levi.  
 

Lock down Edmunds and Oliver long term.  
 

Move off of Butler, Addison, Hughes, Obada, Beasley and Sanders.  
 

We can probably make one decent FA signing.. I’d agree with those who want a young #2/3 WR.  

 

Plus one low level FA signing..  Would like to get a reliable #2 TE so the drop off from Knox isn’t Top 5 TE to Practice Squad TE. 
 

Draft can go BPA early, with EDGE, DT & IOL a focus in the middle rounds.  

Butler, Addison, Obada and Sanders are not under contract for next season.

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, zevo said:

just win it this year so I dont give a ***** who we sign this offseason

 

It feels nice as a fan to say "just live in the now" and not have to hope the team might be better in the future. I definitely don't miss the days when I would make a 10 point plan to get the team "fixed" in one single off-season. 

[ColoradoBills]

3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Yeahhhhhh I don’t think we’ll be seeing any of those signings, we are pretty bad cap wise.

 

Even if they release Mongo, Klein, Bease, and Star, that may provide just enough cap space to re-sign Harry, Dirty, Levi, our draft class, and maybe a few 2nd/3rd tier FAs.

 

 

Sorry to kill the thread vibe 😬

 

.......and Bates.

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Why is Moss a bust? He was a third round pick? He’s been fine as a third round pick

He hardly even sees the field now and was inactive for several games heck Singletary is a third round pick 

[ColoradoBills]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

He hardly even sees the field now and was inactive for several games heck Singletary is a third round pick 

 

Devin put a lot of work in last off season and it seemed to change and elevate his game.

Moss needs to make a jump in his game too if he wants to stay relevant in the NFL.

I'm hoping he does.

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, BillsVet said:

 

Did the cap go to 220M in 2022 and I missed it?  Because they're not going to be able to keep all their (especially defensive) pieces now that Josh's contract is kicking in for 2023.  

 

Said it before, but this is Josh's team and he's how they win games.  A majority of their cap dollars and draft picks needs to be offense.  

 

Defense is gonna need to take a backseat, which means re-signing everyone over there isn't gonna fly anymore.  This off-season should start the transition from being a balanced spending roster between defense and offense to being offense first.  Doesn't mean you can't retain a pass rusher or CB, just that the days are over re-signing everyone at LB, DT, and safety.  

 

It's one thing to build a team into being a contender, but it's even more difficult maintaining a team at a high level as players want to get paid.  We're gonna find out if McBeane have the stuff to know who to move on from, who to re-sign, and how to replace quality veterans lost in UFA with young players on rookie contracts. 

 

 

I have 6 sizeable contracts coming off the books… 4 of them being DL, and I highly doubt retaining a DT & IOL will be too costly.   Levi and McKenzie may/may not be pricey .. and if they are fine we can look to the draft to replace them, but we’re extending Oliver & Edmunds whether you like it or not.  They should be able to do that and still make a move for a #2/3 WR. 

 

Edited January 22, 2022 by SCBills

[lookylookyherecomescookie]

3 hours ago, T master said:

I would think given that Beane & company likes to develop their own that who they have in their WR room will stay pretty close to the same Diggs, Davis, Mckenzie, Khumero, then continue to develop Hodgins & the rookie speedster they got in this years draft & could pick up another in this years draft if one falls to them .

 

I don't see Beane making a huge splash in that room maybe bring in another FA like a Beasley or some one along those lines that still has something in the tank & can contribute for a decent contract but won't cost a lot that's just the way he works .

 

Beane is building for longevity & is very cap conscious which a lot of GM's are not the only way i would see him blowing a lot of cash in FA is if the player he goes after would guarantee a SB .

And NO one player can quarantee a SB, no matter who he is

[Milanos Milano]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I have 6 sizeable contracts coming off the books… 4 of them being DL, and I highly doubt retaining a DT & IOL will be too costly.   Levi and McKenzie may/may not be pricey .. and if they are fine we can look to the draft to replace them, but we’re extending Oliver & Edmunds whether you like it or not.  They should be able to do that and still make a move for a #2/3 WR. 

 

There is enough contracts coming off the books that we can make a move for 1 elite player. But only 1. If I had to choose an elite player it would be WR because we need to keep the offense rolling if we take a hit on defense. Without a doubt I would be targeting Adams or Godwin. 

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I have 6 sizeable contracts coming off the books… 4 of them being DL, and I highly doubt retaining a DT & IOL will be too costly.   Levi and McKenzie may/may not be pricey .. and if they are fine we can look to the draft to replace them, but we’re extending Oliver & Edmunds whether you like it or not.  They should be able to do that and still make a move for a #2/3 WR. 

 

 

I see your reasoning but the only thing that counts is who is signed for 2022 and how much cap is left.

Examples of what I mean is Diggs had a $6.6M cap hit this year and it's $18.3M in 2022.

Josh goes from $10M to $16M.  Tre White goes from $6.8M to $16.4M.  Edmunds from $4M to $12.7M.  

 

The reality is there are 39 players left on contract for 2022 and Beane has currently $11M in cap to work with.

Who gets traded/cut and who gets signed is going to be debated and questioned for the next 3 months.

[BillsVet]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I have 6 sizeable contracts coming off the books… 4 of them being DL, and I highly doubt retaining a DT & IOL will be too costly.   Levi and McKenzie may/may not be pricey .. and if they are fine we can look to the draft to replace them, but we’re extending Oliver & Edmunds whether you like it or not.  They should be able to do that and still make a move for a #2/3 WR. 

 

Understanding strategic planning is an exercise in futility, but here goes.

 

Edmunds at his position and the contract apparently many here want to give him is not providing value.  You can get similar production for far less either via a pick or UFA down the road.  I'd hope Buffalo identifies a replacement for him this off-season and lets him walk barring a major increase in production because you don't pay that guy top 5 ILB money (~16M per).  No way dude.  

 

Oliver is a real nice to have, but I'm not paying him Jonathan Allen or Kenny Clark dollars of around 17-18M per which is what I suspect he'll demand.   

 

Point is, the nice to have pieces people clamor for aren't essentials for winning.  Off-season priorities are offensive: WR and OL.  Gonna need a backup QB as well.

 

This is the off-season where defense, especially the DL, sees a reduction is priority to get a start on living in the era of QB getting 43M per season when the cap will be ~210M.    

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, BillsVet said:

 

Understanding strategic planning is an exercise in futility, but here goes.

 

Edmunds at his position and the contract apparently many here want to give him is not providing value.  You can get similar production for far less either via a pick or UFA down the road.  I'd hope Buffalo identifies a replacement for him this off-season and lets him walk barring a major increase in production because you don't pay that guy top 5 ILB money (~16M per).  No way dude.  

 

Oliver is a real nice to have, but I'm not paying him Jonathan Allen or Kenny Clark dollars of around 17-18M per which is what I suspect he'll demand.   

 

Point is, the nice to have pieces people clamor for aren't essentials for winning.  Off-season priorities are offensive: WR and OL.  Gonna need a backup QB as well.

 

This is the off-season where defense, especially the DL, sees a reduction is priority to get a start on living in the era of QB getting 43M per season when the cap will be ~210M.    

Absolutely agree with moving on from Edmunds. He isn’t worth the raise he will be getting. Hughes and Mario will also not be getting signed. So we still have some room to maneuver. 

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Absolutely agree with moving on from Edmunds. He isn’t worth the raise he will be getting. Hughes and Mario will also not be getting signed. So we still have some room to maneuver. 

 

It doesn't matter.  Here is what Beane is working with in 2022.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

It doesn't matter.  Here is what Beane is working with in 2022.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

Ah yeah the dead cap issue. Thanks. The only places that could realistically get cut are Morse and Daryl Williams. 

 

So my question for you is this. 

 

Would you rather have Jordan Poyer or Davonte Adams or Chris Godwin?  Because we could realistically cut Poyer and draft a Safety. Strategically I’d rather have elite WR and keep the offense rolling. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

13 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I honestly think we could afford 1 big signing. If you had to pick a big signing, who would you want? Adams and Diggs would darn near be impossible to guard. 

We will likely be losing Jerry and Mario’s salary, so that right there is a good chunk of money to be able to sign a player like Godwin or Adams. 

 

You're not losing these guys salaries at all as Hughes contract is up, he also is a FA just like Adams, Scherff, and Godwin.  Addison think has a voidable year left or something so don't believe he saves any more either whether he's here or not.

 

Per the Spotrac the Bills have 16 upcoming free agents and around 5 to 6 of them are currently starters so better worry about replacing them first.

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

You're not losing these guys salaries at all as Hughes contract is up, he also is a FA just like Adams, Scherff, and Godwin.  Addison think has a voidable year left or something so don't believe he saves any more either whether he's here or not.

 

Per the Spotrac the Bills have 16 upcoming free agents and around 5 to 6 of them are currently starters so better worry about replacing them first.

 

Tough decision for sure. If we are going to take a hit on defense, I’d rather sure up our offense. Getting a guy like Adams and Godwin can make up for a worse defense. 

Adams/Godwin > Poyer    And it isn’t even close in my opinion. We can draft or sign a cheaper FA. 

[Milanos Milano]

Keeping Josh Allen highly fed is priority #1.   Diggs  Adams/Godwin  Davis McKenzie does just that. If we are only punting a handful of times, a great offensive can overcome a mediocre defense. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

Tough decision for sure. If we are going to take a hit on defense, I’d rather sure up our offense. Getting a guy like Adams and Godwin can make up for a worse defense. 

Adams/Godwin > Poyer    And it isn’t even close in my opinion. We can draft or sign a cheaper FA. 

 

Completely disagree!!

 

You add someone like that, you're taking away targets, receptions, and yards away from someone else be it Diggs, Beasley, Davis, Sanders, or McKenzie and I realize too that maybe 3 of them may not even be on the team next season.  Allen is very good to great QB, but the Bills aren't going to become some statistical outlier and have all these extra yards of offense through the air.  It's like this year whe nthey were playing Sanders instead of Davis.  Adding a Goodwin or an Adams same thing will happen

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Ah yeah the dead cap issue. Thanks. The only places that could realistically get cut are Morse and Daryl Williams. 

So my question for you is this. 

 

Would you rather have Jordan Poyer or Davonte Adams or Chris Godwin?  Because we could realistically cut Poyer and draft a Safety. Strategically I’d rather have elite WR and keep the offense rolling. 

 

As of now I can't even consider outside FA signings until I see what moves are going to be made.  I'm just very interested in the money side

of the equation and I see it this way.  If you go to the Spotrac site and click on the Bills FAs you FIRST got to ask who is Beane keeping?

I say this because it's the #1 step going forward in the offseason for a GM.

 

Then and only then do you reevaluate what your next moves are.  In Beane's case for this year he has to cut/trade some players to free

up money to look at other teams FAs.

I would love for the Bills to be able to sign 1 or 2 big name UFAs but as of right now that will be very hard to do IMO.

 

To add one more thing for the fans saying that the 2023 cap will go up a lot (which I agree it will) one thing will eat up almost all of that.

Josh Allen has a $16.4M cap hit.  His cap for 2023 is $39.8M which is a $23.4M bump.

 

I am not saying in any way that Brandon Beane and the Bills are in any kind of "cap hell" at all.  But what I am saying is Beane is aware

of all the points I'm making and knows better than all of us what he can or can't do.  I'm looking forward to see what he does!

[Milanos Milano]

7 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Completely disagree!!

 

You add someone like that, you're taking away targets, receptions, and yards away from someone else be it Diggs, Beasley, Davis, Sanders, or McKenzie and I realize too that maybe 3 of them may not even be on the team next season.  Allen is very good to great QB, but the Bills aren't going to become some statistical outlier and have all these extra yards of offense through the air.  It's like this year whe nthey were playing Sanders instead of Davis.  Adding a Goodwin or an Adams same thing will happen

Less targets receptions doesn’t matter, all that matters is advancing the ball down the field and scoring touchdowns. Look at Tampa, they have Evans, Godwin, Gronk and had Brown. Do you think their fans care about who gets fed? Of course not, all that matters is scoring touchdowns and winning. 

 

I would 100% rather have a Adams/Godwin over Poyer 100 times out of 100. 

 

Diggs  Adams Davis and McKenzie is darn near impossible to stop. To much speed and talent with an emerging option in Knox and it’s over, instant super bowl favorites. 

Edited January 22, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[Canadian Bills Fan]

I would actually love to bring back MacKenzie. If we could land Chark that would be absolutely amazing.

 

I would also not mind signing James Washington.  He was buried in Pittsburgh behind Juju, Claypool and Dionte Johnson.

 

I think you could get him cheap and he is a deep threat while still having some height (5'11)

[DeltaDigital]

bring me Patterson and Hayden Hurst from ATL in FA. Draft OL, and a LB

[dje85]

Personally, I’m all for signing Antonio Brown. Likely can get him on a cheap one year deal. Tried trading for him in the past. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

15 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Less targets receptions doesn’t matter, all that matters is advancing the ball down the field and scoring touchdowns. Look at Tampa, they have Evans, Godwin, Gronk and had Brown. Do you think their fans care about who gets fed? Of course not, all that matters is scoring touchdowns and winning. 

 

I would 100% rather have a Adams/Godwin over Poyer 100 times out of 100. 

 

Diggs  Adams Davis and McKenzie is darn near impossible to stop. To much speed and talent with an emerging option in Knox and it’s over, instant super bowl favorites. 

 

Sure, but it's not like the Bills have this weak passing attack to start with.  They are already in the top ten in just about every passing category, that's not going to improve very much whoever is out there.  They are within 700 yards of the top passing offense for the year.  Bringing in an Goodwin or an Adams, you're just moving around the numbers. Allen is an elite enough QB that he can make a Davis or someone similar have stats close to an Adams or Goodwin if playing him full time. 

 

Teams can't afford superstars at every position.  Tampa is trying to do it, but mainly because they know they have a small window with Brady.  Once Brady leaves, that team will resemble the 76 Bucs very quickly as will be unloading salary all over.

 

Agree the fans don't care who gets fed, but the players do to some extent. So before they  sign anyone like this, they better re-do Diggs contract to pay him similar money (good chance this does happen)