Does anyone think the Lamar Jackson situation this year was strange?

[Mango]

11 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

A bone bruise cannot be trivialized. One cannot just take pain medicine and ignore the symptoms. Despite Roethlisberger’s ironman reputation, he can’t just play through it. Edema or swelling in the bone can lead to complications and articular cartilage loss if not careful. What is a bone bruise? It is not a simple contusion that is treated with ice and managed symptomatically. A deep bone bruise is essentially a microscopic fracture, much like a ligament sprain is a microscopic tear. I am not suggesting it is a true fracture that needs surgery or casting, but there is compromise to the integrity of the bone in order to get the swelling/fluid inside the bone. Think of the bones of the knee being covered by articular cartilage like the dirt of the football field has grass on top. When an elephant stomps on the grass, the dirt underneath can be damaged/compressed. In order to allow the grass (articular cartilage) the best chance to rejuvenate and heal, you can’t keep playing football on it. The “keep off the grass” sign allows a chance to heal. Last year, Broncos LB Danny Trevathan was placed on short-term IR for a bone bruise. As a result of recurrent injury, he needed offseason surgery. I am not suggesting this will happen to Roethlisberger, but the top Steelers medical staff will have this in mind as they allow their QB to return to play

 

 

per dr david chao

 

I came to say this, bone bruises are no joke, like at all.  I rowed, raced team Canada, and went through selection camp for the world rowing championships on a broken rib. That was super painful, but pain management was possible. A few years later I got a bone bruise on my foot playing soccer...Jesus, I could not walk right for months, it was brutal. I can't imagine trying to make cuts like Lamar. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Mango

[FireChans]

33 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

so what your saying is you are seeking attention more than anyone’s input?

I think that’s a little over the top, personally.

[Coach Tuesday]

27 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Very strange he was voted to Pro Bowl and he did not even play last 6 games.

Rooney Rule sub clause?

 

^^^

There it is.  The real reason this thread was created.  

 

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

I think that’s a little over the top, personally.

 

Oh please.  You know exactly what you're doing by this point.  You've wormed through the substratum separating this forum from PPP to start threads like this one.  

Edited January 19, 2022 by Coach Tuesday

[FireChans]

49 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

^^^

There it is.  The real reason this thread was created.  

 

 

Oh please.  You know exactly what you're doing by this point.  You've wormed through the substratum separating this forum from PPP to start threads like this one.  

Lol and MY thread about speculation is over the top?

 

As much as I enjoy your football takes, you are WAY off on this one. 

 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

Very strange he was voted to Pro Bowl and he did not even play last 6 games.

Rooney Rule sub clause?

Lame

[Punching Bag]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Lame

Lamer to not come up for reason other than popularity contest.

[FireChans]

21 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Lame

Agreed, shots like that are insane. 
 

There are a ton of great black QB’s in the NFL. Dak, Kyler, Lamar, along with some guys who have potential like Hurts, Tua, Fields. We should be going forward, not backward.

Edited January 19, 2022 by FireChans

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Glad you said this for me, thanks.

 

A guy like Allen doesn't help this scenario either. The Pro-Bowl voting validates this.

Agreed we should be going forward, however merit still matters.

 

The Jackson over Allen pro bowl thing is not truly "going forward" IMO.

Jauronimo was being sarcastic my dude.

[Jauronimo]

5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Glad you said this for me, thanks.

 

A guy like Allen doesn't help this scenario either. The Pro-Bowl voting validates this.

You agree with what I posted?

 

Well that was unexpected.

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

This is pretty much where I am.  If the Ravens were down Lamar and otherwise full-strength, if Lamar could go, he'd have played.  But the Ravens were hit by the injury bug in historical fashion.  Risking long-term injury for an unlikely playoff run would have been a bad decision.

 

Plus, I think a 100% Huntley is better than a 60% Jackson, anyway.

 

See this makes MORE sense to me. Honestly probably smart from a management standpoint. It wasn’t their year, and shut it down. I buy that.

 

An unusual situation in the NFL, but they were an unusually injured football team. 

Edited January 19, 2022 by FireChans

[BuffaloBills1998]

Lamar has been garbage the last two seasons. Teams figured him out and he’s either being stubborn and is not adjusting or he can’t adjust and simply what you see is what you get. Ravens have found themselves in a predicament with Jackson

[Comebackkid]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

 

I came to say this, bone bruises are no joke, like at all.  I rowed, raced team Canada, and went through selection camp for the world rowing championships on a broken rib. That was super painful, but pain management was possible. A few years later I got a bone bruise on my foot playing soccer...Jesus, I could not walk right for months, it was brutal. I can't imagine trying to make cuts like Lamar. 

Exactly. While you really wouldn't want your pocket passer  quarterback in there either it would be literally impossible for someone like Jackson that relies on his legs

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I wonder if his agent situation complicated something 

[Royale with Cheese]

32 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Lamar has been garbage the last two seasons. Teams figured him out and he’s either being stubborn and is not adjusting or he can’t adjust and simply what you see is what you get. Ravens have found themselves in a predicament with Jackson

 

His pre-draft scouting report is starting to catch up to him now.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

There is so much about the Lamar situation that is a little strange. I will just kind of simplify a very complicated situation by saying…..I don’t think the guy that came in for him, was that much worse. Take that how you will. The guy isn’t a good passer. Doesn’t really seem like you are allowed to think that but it’s true. Incredible runner. Maybe the best I have ever seen. He isn’t a threat as a passer IMO. MVP…he won it. I can’t say he didn’t. I wouldn’t want him to be my teams QB and if he was, I’d be begging for an offense that threw less then 10 passes a game.

[skibum]

Anyone here ever have a bone bruise? They can be debilitating. This is a really ignorant thread. 

[Coach Tuesday]

11 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

There is so much about the Lamar situation that is a little strange. I will just kind of simplify a very complicated situation by saying…..I don’t think the guy that came in for him, was that much worse. Take that how you will. The guy isn’t a good passer. Doesn’t really seem like you are allowed to think that but it’s true. Incredible runner. Maybe the best I have ever seen. He isn’t a threat as a passer IMO. MVP…he won it. I can’t say he didn’t. I wouldn’t want him to be my teams QB and if he was, I’d be begging for an offense that threw less then 10 passes a game.

 

So, let's break that down a bit.  Folks keep saying "he's not a great passer."  He can make every single throw.  He can make sidearm throws that few others can make.  He can throw it on a rope; he can wrist-flick it downfield with ease.  He IS a great passer - or at least a great thrower.  He's not Tim Tebow (talk about a real media darling, there).  He's far more than just a running QB.

 

That said - can he run the offense within its structure?  That's the issue I think they're struggling with.  Huntley came in and ran the offense pretty well - in some ways perhaps better than Jackson had.  In terms of electricity, playing outside of the structure and overcoming a bad play call, no one in the league is better at those things than Lamar Jackson.  But it is TBD on whether he can actually run that offense, or any offense, within its true structure - which he'll need to be able to do if they're going to take the next step with him.

 

None of this, of course, has anything to do with his injury.  I STILL do not understand why that was the angle of the OP.  Multiple posters have explained why a bone bruise is serious business.  A couple folks raised the good point that what happened in Cleveland is basically Worst Case Scenario, rushing a young QB back from injury when he's clearly not 100% and asking him to carry your team and then having him face-plant.  Don'treally see the media beating up on Baker for playing hurt - most takes seem to be criticizing the team for putting him in that position, with plenty of folks saying that he sucks even when he's healthy.  But the whispered view that perhaps Lamar is getting a "pass" for bailing on his team with a boo-boo is not something that has any traction, anywhere.

[Coach Tuesday]

^^^
 

And again, this is exactly what the OP invited and incited.  Not falling for the “I’m just asking questions!” routine.  “I’m just flashing the OK sign!”  Plausible deniability.  We’ve seen this act before.  The seeds were sewn and the message was sent and the predictable soldiers have arrived to air their grievances.

 

This was never a football thread.

[billsfan1959]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

^^^
 

And again, this is exactly what the OP invited and incited.  Not falling for the “I’m just asking questions!” routine.  “I’m just flashing the OK sign!”  Plausible deniability.  We’ve seen this act before.  The seeds were sewn and the message was sent and the predictable soldiers have arrived to air their grievances.

 

This was never a football thread.

 

I'm not sure if that is what the OP intended. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. With that said, I'll admit that I really have no idea what the intent of this thread is. 

[716to540]

No.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

^^^
 

And again, this is exactly what the OP invited and incited.  Not falling for the “I’m just asking questions!” routine.  “I’m just flashing the OK sign!”  Plausible deniability.  We’ve seen this act before.  The seeds were sewn and the message was sent and the predictable soldiers have arrived to air their grievances.

 

This was never a football thread.

Legitimately incorrect. 
 

I do think Lamar has gotten more love in the media than Josh even tho I believe that Josh is better but that’s the extent of my bias against him.

 

for you to level accusations of this magnitude is frankly absurd. I’m not plotting under your bed dude. It’s twobillsdrive.

 

Besides the fact, if what you said was true AT ALL, why wouldn’t I pick the easier target of Kyler Murray? Way more topical and relevant. Or was that a part of my insidious plan to throw you  off the scent?? 

Edited January 19, 2022 by FireChans

[Nelius]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I'm not sure if that is what the OP intended. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. With that said, I'll admit that I really have no idea what the intent of this thread is. 

 

I think the OP had a very specific Lamar Jackson only reaction but then the thread took a dump in truly the next post.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

I’ve seen some hot tales before but 
 

HO LI FUK 

 

 

 

 

[FireChans]

20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

My only accusation is that you purposely clogged the high school bathroom toilet.  Fwiw I don’t think you’re one of the turds that inevitably floated to the surface - but you had to know this was coming.

That probably has more to do with the community than me at all then. I'm not responsible for other folks' comments nor beliefs.

 

Besides, identifying turds makes it that much easier to fish them out of the bowl.

 

If anything, @Jauronimoincited the hyenas. A response like that was certainly going to make some folks feel a certain kind of way. And the proof is in this very topic. The more problematic posts have almost entirely been in response to him. I'd love to see your scathing criticism of him.

Edited January 19, 2022 by FireChans

[Rico]

I thought Lamar looked pretty good throwing the ball earlier this year in some games… not consistent, but best Lamar as QB yet. Then came all the injuries, and it’s hard to judge after that.

[Jauronimo]

11 minutes ago, FireChans said:

That probably has more to do with the community than me at all then. I'm not responsible for other folks' comments nor beliefs.

 

Besides, identifying turds makes it that much easier to fish them out of the bowl.

 

If anything, @Jauronimoincited the hyenas. A response like that was certainly going to make some folks feel a certain kind of way. And the proof is in this very topic. The more problematic posts have almost entirely been in response to him. I'd love to see your scathing criticism of him.

Almost no one has responded to my posts in this thread.  But it seems a number of people thought I was serious and agree with the sentiment, which is frankly hilarious.  The strange part is that the people agreeing with my post and leaving puke face emojis have similar views.  Emoji expression is weird.

[Doc]

59 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

Josh Allen needs to become a better passer.

 

Lamar Jackson needs to become a better passer.

 

Only one of those has ever been controversial.

 

When?  In the beginning or now, after one of them has proven to be an elite passer and the other still hasn't?

[Virgil]

17 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I think black QBs who are gifted runners just face less scrutiny from the media than your traditional, semi-mobile, stand in the pocket, white QB.  Its almost like they're given a pass and that doesn't sit right with me.  

 

Congrats!!!!  You officially earned 9 of the 11 emoticon responses with only one post and two sentences.  Truly a feat sir!!!!

[Teddy KGB]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

So, let's break that down a bit.  Folks keep saying "he's not a great passer."  He can make every single throw.  He can make sidearm throws that few others can make.  He can throw it on a rope; he can wrist-flick it downfield with ease.  He IS a great passer - or at least a great thrower.  He's not Tim Tebow (talk about a real media darling, there).  He's far more than just a running QB.

 

That said - can he run the offense within its structure?  That's the issue I think they're struggling with.  Huntley came in and ran the offense pretty well - in some ways perhaps better than Jackson had.  In terms of electricity, playing outside of the structure and overcoming a bad play call, no one in the league is better at those things than Lamar Jackson.  But it is TBD on whether he can actually run that offense, or any offense, within its true structure - which he'll need to be able to do if they're going to take the next step with him.

 

None of this, of course, has anything to do with his injury.  I STILL do not understand why that was the angle of the OP.  Multiple posters have explained why a bone bruise is serious business.  A couple folks raised the good point that what happened in Cleveland is basically Worst Case Scenario, rushing a young QB back from injury when he's clearly not 100% and asking him to carry your team and then having him face-plant.  Don'treally see the media beating up on Baker for playing hurt - most takes seem to be criticizing the team for putting him in that position, with plenty of folks saying that he sucks even when he's healthy.  But the whispered view that perhaps Lamar is getting a "pass" for bailing on his team with a boo-boo is not something that has any traction, anywhere.

He can make every single throw lmao 😩😩

 

No, he cannot and it’s why he gets exposed in the postseason on repeat 

 

Dude’s 1-3 with more int’s then td’s  

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said:

He can make every single throw lmao 😩😩

 

No, he cannot and it’s why he gets exposed in the postseason on repeat 

 

Dude’s 1-3 with more int’s then td’s  

 

 

Ryan I know you don’t really follow football but Lamar doesn’t have any issues with arm strength, and his off-platform throws are top five league wide.  I’m giving you a pass because you don’t actually watch the games.

[Teddy KGB]

14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Ryan I know you don’t really follow football but Lamar doesn’t have any issues with arm strength, and his off-platform throws are top five league wide.  I’m giving you a pass because you don’t actually watch the games.

Your’e the one claiming Lamar can make all the throws.  
 

Sounds like you haven’t watched any of the games. 
 

16 td’s/13 int’s for 2021-22 ?   Impressive 

 

lmao @ Huntley completing a long pass after Lamar was knocked silly by a crap bills defense last time he tried to be relevant in a playoff game 🥴

Edited January 20, 2022 by Teddy KGB

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

Your’e the one claiming Lamar can make all the throws.  
 

Sounds like you haven’t watched any of the games. 
 

16 td’s/13 int’s for 2021-22 ?   Impressive 

What do INTs have to do with his throwing ability?

[Teddy KGB]

7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

What do INTs have to do with his throwing ability?

he’s easy to intercept because he can’t make sideline throws.   it’s why he’s a brutal postseason performer.  

“Can make every throw” is hyperbole, no reason to make things up. 

Edited January 20, 2022 by Teddy KGB

[Patrick Duffy]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

What do INTs have to do with his throwing ability?

I wouldn't say he can make ALL the throws, but it's something he did seem to be improving on with that part of his game earlier in the season

Edited January 20, 2022 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[Coach Tuesday]

4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

he’s easy to intercept because he can’t make sideline throws.   it’s why he’s a brutal postseason performer.  

“Can make every throw” is hyperbole, no reason to make things up. 

He can throw the 20 yard out just fine, I don’t know where you’re getting that.  It’s just false.

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He can throw the 20 yard out just fine, I don’t know where you’re getting that.  It’s just false.

24th in the league in passing yards.     It’s a big nahhhhh

[Coach Tuesday]

12 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

24th in the league in passing yards.     It’s a big nahhhhh

Prior to his injury he was throwing downfield at a historic rate.

 

Here is a good article explaining that the problem is his failure to operate within the structure of the offense.  Roman’s bizarre and sloppy passing concepts aren’t helping him, as you’ll see from those clips.  Same thing happened here with Tyrod- but that didn’t stop you from crusading that he was the problem.  

Edited January 20, 2022 by Coach Tuesday

[FireChans]

5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

24th in the league in passing yards.     It’s a big nahhhhh

 

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Prior to his injury he was throwing downfield at a historic rate.

We have somehow come full circle and started talking about football again.

 

The power to change the world has been inside us all along.

[Teddy KGB]

11 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Prior to his injury he was throwing downfield at a historic rate.

 

Here is a good article explaining that the problem is his failure to operate within the structure of the offense.  Roman’s bizarre and sloppy passing concepts aren’t helping him, as you’ll see from those clips.  Same thing happened here with Tyrod- but that didn’t stop you from crusading that he was the problem.  

Lamar has improved for sure and is much better than Tyrod.
 

Ahhh, the good old Greg Roman’s fault 😩😩😩

 

Tyrod’s been pretty brutal with or without Roman.   

Edited January 20, 2022 by Teddy KGB

[Norcalbillsfan]

15 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

Whatever you say about the injury (and who really knows?) the real point here is that there is NO DOUBT who is the best QB of the 2018 draft.  Lamar was a good move by Baltimore at the end of the 1st round but he's a far cry from Josh.  He's still probably the second best QB from that draft but with a huge gap to first.

Unfortunately I think it will be years before the world will clearly see that josh is better than lamar (unless josh wins a super bowl). Lamar had that amazing year and will always have the mvp trophy. And unfortunately for josh had one of the greatest qbs ever win mvp over him last year.

 

Lamar and mahomes will always be the poster boys of the nfl cuz they are crucial to the nfl to keep younger generations of viewers. And their not wrong to do so, when I was 12 all I wanted to see was Vick run and scramble cuz it was awesome to watch.

I think anyone that really watches football can see josh is already much better, but as far as casual viewers, they will always see twice the Lamar highlights and be reminded of the mvp trophy.