Epenesa/Hart/Love-Covid List

[Augie]

2 hours ago, IBTG81 said:

All three just placed on the Covid list. 

 

Time for an all expense paid vacation in Foxboro! Private jet, no expense spared sightseeing tour. Maybe take some of the lower paid team/stadium staff out to a dinner they will never forget! Nothing but the best for these guys! I mean, those guys who clean the locker room can’t afford a night out like we could show them! 

[Since1981]

Josh’s new outfit.  please coach and players, just stay in a bubble for a few wks. 

[Captain Caveman]

The Patriots also had Kendrick Bourne added to the list today as well as a few others.  This week is going to be weird.

[Freddie's Dead]

Beach Boy is back?  Since when?  Did they sneak him on to the practice squad at some point?

[K-9]

4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So....I guess we don't have to worry about whether they'll start Bobby Hart

 

According to my understanding, these guys must have had symptoms, because the NFL is no longer testing vaccinated players at all unless they have symptoms

How do we know all of them were vaccinated? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

They're still doing infrequent random testing on vaccinated players:

 

 

 

What TF is the point of this?  Random testing for an airbourne contagious disease?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

How do we know all of them were vaccinated? 

 

I suppose we don't, but I have no reason to believe Beane would lie about the Bills being 91% vaccinated, which would be 6 players.

So we're kind of running out of unvaccinated players.   Hart in particular has switched back and forth and played for different teams in a short period, while unvaccinated players must undergo a 5 day onboarding process.

[Patrick Duffy]

So with the new rules or whatever, as long as they are vaccinated and are asymptomatic they can play Sunday? Do I have that right?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

So with the new rules or whatever, as long as they are vaccinated and are asymptomatic they can play Sunday? Do I have that right?

 

If they were vaccinated and asymptomatic, as I understand it they wouldn't go on the covid-19 list because we wouldn't be testing them.

 

So either they self-reported symptoms, or they aren't vaccinated, and we're running out of unvaccinated players to meet Beane's 91% vaxxed (plus, guys at the bottom of the roster like Hart and Love pretty much all got vaxxed)

 

If they're vaccinated, they can return as soon as they meet the new criteria, which are too convoluted for me to parse.

 

[MJS]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If they were vaccinated and asymptomatic, as I understand it they wouldn't go on the covid-19 list because we wouldn't be testing them.

 

So either they self-reported symptoms, or they aren't vaccinated, and we're running out of unvaccinated players to meet Beane's 91% vaxxed (plus, guys at the bottom of the roster like Hart and Love pretty much all got vaxxed)

 

If they're vaccinated, they can return as soon as they meet the new criteria, which are too convoluted for me to parse.

 

Interesting that the NFL's answer to the lastest surge in positive cases is to test less. Not sure what that helps.

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

Vaccinations don't prevent the disease, just the severity, and Omicron is more prevalent than Alpha or Delta. Not sure when the NFL is introducing the non-testing protocol for players who have been vaccinated; there are apparently 50+ players who tested positive today - are they all non-vaccinated, all showing symptoms or is the protocol not in place yet?

 

 

They don't totally prevent it, of course. But vaccines absolutely reduce the likelihood that you will catch it. They provide some protection against infection as well as against more serious cases.

 

Nobody reputable has said that Omicron totally bypasses vaccines. Nobody. Effectiveness definitely will drop. There's zero evidence effectiveness will disappear.

 

As I understand it, the new protocols go into effect after the Sunday the 19th games.

 

 

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Isn’t the new rule that vaccinated asymptomatic players aren’t going to be tested?

 

 

Everywhere I can find it says, "won't be tested regularly" or "won't get tested weekly." Haven't yet seen, "won't be tested."

[Nextmanup]

10 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Its all part of the NFL conspiracy to get the Pats and Bucs in the SB.

And to make sure the Bills do not make the playoffs.

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Said at the beginning of the year Covid would cost us a shot.  And we’re not the only team.  

It could well prove to be the opposite; we are not a Super Bowl team this year or anything close to one.

COVID could spin the whole thing around on its head.

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

7 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Everywhere I can find it says, "won't be tested regularly" or "won't get tested weekly." Haven't yet seen, "won't be tested."

So like..... for instance, game is in 2 or 3 days, a vaccinated player ends up getting it , but is asymptomatic and feeling fine... and doesn't have to be tested....could he play in that upcoming game?         

[CSBill]

More importantly: What is the status of Dawkins and Feliciano?

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

It is funny how the bills are being effected by teams from Florida if you look after the bye it was Miami then Jacksonville and last week tampa bay.  I am starting to believe some teams are getting away with having players with Covid being allowed to play I mean Tom Brady plays for Tampa and the league might say for you Tom your players can play with Covid.

[TAinLack.]

12 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said:

Agree. That's way even games at home against Atlanta and the Jets are far from stone cold locks. Someone is gonna be nipped at the end because of being short manned. May be happening to Cleveland tonight. 

Yup, we really need to win that NE game before this viral crap hits the fan!!

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, CSBill said:

More importantly: What is the status of Dawkins and Feliciano?

Still on the list 

[PaattMaann]

5 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

So like..... for instance, game is in 2 or 3 days, a vaccinated player ends up getting it , but is asymptomatic and feeling fine... and doesn't have to be tested....could he play in that upcoming game?         

 

well, we wouldnt know the vaccinated players has it, because they aren't being tested unless they have symptoms...so yes they would play 

[Patrick Duffy]

10 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

well, we wouldnt know the vaccinated players has it, because they aren't being tested unless they have symptoms...so yes they would play 

Oh ok so vaccinated players won't get tested at all now? I thought it was a lot less often, didn't think it was not at all... I must have got mixed up. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

Interesting that the NFL's answer to the lastest surge in positive cases is to test less. Not sure what that helps.

 

It's like the "see no evil" Chinese monkey statue.

 

No seriously - I believe the NFL's idea is that vaccinated players who test positive for Omicron have no symptoms and are not contagious.  Therefore not testing will leave more players available to play.   (Apparently the WFT recent surge were mostly asymptomatic).  

 

I don't think there's a lot of data as yet supporting either contention, the variant being new and all.  Hopefully the NFL has their own data.

 

6 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Oh ok so vaccinated players won't get tested at all now? I thought it was a lot less often, didn't think it was not at all... I must have got mixed up. 

 

It's not at all, unless they self-report symptoms or unless they are "randomly selected" for a test.

 

I read the new protocols and I was like giving them the "modified eye roll" until I got to the part about the "randomly selected" for tests.  Then I flipped out.   OF COURSE we can trust the NFL to be truly random in these selections.  OF COURSE we can.   In theory, the testing company could "randomly select" Allen and Diggs for testing before we play the Patriots and Out They Go if positive.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Everywhere I can find it says, "won't be tested regularly" or "won't get tested weekly." Haven't yet seen, "won't be tested."

 

Here's the actual memo

 

 

 

 

So if you read that right, the NFL's CMO and the testing company can decide which position groups and which players on that position group will get tested (and potentially ruled out, even if asymptomatic).

 

You like that?  You like that?  I don't like that, Not One Bit.

 

 

[nedboy7]

Every single player will most likely test positive at some point in the next 4 weeks.  Just got to let them play.  Ain’t no way to protect against omicron. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Here's the actual memo

 

 

 

 

So if you read that right, the NFL's CMO and the testing company can decide which position groups and which players on that position group will get tested (and potentially ruled out, even if asymptomatic).

 

You like that?  You like that?  I don't like that, Not One Bit.

 

 

Is that because you don't believe the testing will truly be random? I'm not so sure the fully vaccinated, asymptomatic need to be surveilled.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

29 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Is that because you don't believe the testing will truly be random? I'm not so sure the fully vaccinated, asymptomatic need to be surveilled.

 

It's because whether or not it's random, if key players are selected for testing and test positive/are excluded it will significantly impact the games.  Either you care about keeping Covid out of the facility, or you don't.  If you don't care, don't care - what is gained by random testing, to potentially outweigh the game impacts?

 

And yes, anytime the NFL is "randomly" selecting players, there is the potential for it being manipulated at some point.  Not necessarily as part of an NFL conspiracy, but what if the IQVIA/ICS employees happen to have a betting or fan interest?

 

Either you think asymptomatic, Covid-infected players can play and are not infectious, or you don't.  So if you believe the former, what is the point of this random surveillance testing and then keeping out asymptomatic, Covid-infected players you detect?

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

[PaattMaann]

1 hour ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Oh ok so vaccinated players won't get tested at all now? I thought it was a lot less often, didn't think it was not at all... I must have got mixed up. 

 

its random testing, they pick some vaxed players to get tested. I am unclear how often that occurs though. 

[RiotAct]

Good to see common sense win out.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

34 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's because whether or not it's random, if key players are selected for testing and test positive/are excluded it will significantly impact the games.  Either you care about keeping Covid out of the facility, or you don't.  If you don't care, don't care - what is gained by random testing, to potentially outweigh the game impacts?

 

And yes, anytime the NFL is "randomly" selecting players, there is the potential for it being manipulated at some point.  Not necessarily as part of an NFL conspiracy, but what if the IQVIA/ICS employees happen to have a betting or fan interest?

 

Either you think asymptomatic, Covid-infected players can play and are not infectious, or you don't.  So if you believe the former, what is the point of this random surveillance testing and then keeping out asymptomatic, Covid-infected players you detect?

 

 

That's fair. I think we essentially agree.

[JustAnotherBillsFan]

So, what is the purpose of testing unvaccinated players at this point?

[UKBillFan]

4 hours ago, JustAnotherBillsFan said:

So, what is the purpose of testing unvaccinated players at this point?

Think it’s because there is a greater likelihood is they’ll contract and spread Omnicron should they come into contact someone with it.

[Mark Vader]

21 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

Can't let Josh go home. Not many vaxxed in Firebaugh, CA.

 

You know what's all the rage?

 

FaceTime....

Josh Allen doesn't live in Firebaugh anymore.

[Herc11]

1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:

Josh Allen doesn't live in Firebaugh anymore.

He does come back to the central valley in the off season though

[Mark Vader]

10 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

He does come back to the central valley in the off season though

Yes, and he has another home in the Los Angeles area.

[letsgoteam]

On 12/21/2021 at 9:08 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Here's the actual memo

 

 

 

 

So if you read that right, the NFL's CMO and the testing company can decide which position groups and which players on that position group will get tested (and potentially ruled out, even if asymptomatic).

 

You like that?  You like that?  I don't like that, Not One Bit.

 

 

Maybe the CMO is a huge Bills fan