BillsMafi$ Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) Edited December 14, 2021 by BillsMafi$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Josh did a nice job of showing the DB where he was going with the ball so he ignored the deep threat and cheated up to go where the ball went. If Josh sells that better with a head fake, etc., and throws an accurate pass, it's a TD. Leaving points on the board is part of why you lose close games to good teams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Looks like CB leaves the WR when Josh turns his head to throw the dump off. Kind of similar to the 4th and 14 play against Patriots except the WR probably still had a step on the Bucs CB. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Ouch. That's a game changer from the first snap if he recognizes it and makes a good throw. It's almost worth running the same play again in the next game or two and see if its there again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Why do people here claim sanders is bad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Just now, motorj said: Why do people here claim sanders is bad Because our offensive has been bad and he’s new lol Heads up play by the defender…stayed with the receiver long enough so that josh moved on in his progressions to the correct read and then broke on it early…that’s a potentially big gain for the rb if the db stays with his man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Also is Allen reverting to a checkdown mentality? He threw way too much to the RB's this game when he should be looking deep like he usually does seems uncharacteristic 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Did Sanders injure his knee doing a "Dang it" kick off camera here?😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, motorj said: Also is Allen reverting to a checkdown mentality? He threw way too much to the RB's this game when he should be looking deep like he usually does seems uncharacteristic He was taking what the defense was giving him for a change. These defenses are taking away the big play for the most part so you got to take what they give you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 That play to throw to the back may have been scripted just to set up other stuff later. JA has no pressure so there is no reason for the dump off other than that was the plan all the way. Sure looks like something they should try again but the problem is Davis doesn't have the speed Sander has. If you try that with Diggs the safety probably rotates over. Davis is fast enough and he blocks down field well. So you may get the corner to bite if JA fakes a pass to the flat first at the same time Davis does a stop and go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 11 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: He was taking what the defense was giving him for a change. These defenses are taking away the big play for the most part so you got to take what they give you This is generally true, but I would also add Allen's faith in his OLine is currently around zero and has been for a very, very long time. The fact that he is still producing the way he has been while have to keep one eye on his protection at all times is stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Very similar to the last play against the Patriots. It's now a trend that CBs are playing Josh's eyes more than their man when they're still facing the line of scrimmage. Hopefully Josh and Daboll will use this to their advantage and hit a few deep ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: That play to throw to the back may have been scripted just to set up other stuff later. JA has no pressure so there is no reason for the dump off other than that was the plan all the way. Sure looks like something they should try again but the problem is Davis doesn't have the speed Sander has. If you try that with Diggs the safety probably rotates over. Davis is fast enough and he blocks down field well. So you may get the corner to bite if JA fakes a pass to the flat first at the same time Davis does a stop and go. The DB was staying with Sanders until Josh looked at Singletary, and the DB stopped running with Sanders at that point. If Josh fakes the throw to Singletary he's got Sanders wide open, uncovered completely for a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 The WR did not get open until after Josh threw the ball. The CB let him go to tackle Singletary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, Utah John said: The DB was staying with Sanders until Josh looked at Singletary, and the DB stopped running with Sanders at that point. If Josh fakes the throw to Singletary he's got Sanders wide open, uncovered completely for a TD. 100% agree. But Sanders in one on one coverage without safety help is a throw JA should attempt, especially against that secondary. Sanders likely blows right past that guy in a few more steps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) In a perfect world, Josh hits Sanders deep. But, right now, things are far from perfect on offense for a lot of reasons but the least of those reasons is Josh Allen. Edited December 14, 2021 by Beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 50 minutes ago, Utah John said: The DB was staying with Sanders until Josh looked at Singletary, and the DB stopped running with Sanders at that point. If Josh fakes the throw to Singletary he's got Sanders wide open, uncovered completely for a TD. 46 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: The WR did not get open until after Josh threw the ball. The CB let him go to tackle Singletary. The CB was never running with Sanders. He takes a couple steps forwards like he expects a short throw and then a couple steps back (maybe in an "oh *****, I read this wrong" moment) before closing on Singletary. At first I thought the CB was cheating toward Singletary based on Josh's eyes, but he was just expecting the dump off the entire time. Sanders blew right by him before Josh even turned to Singletary. There must have been something on film that told the CB where the play was going. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Josh has all the athletic ability in the world, but for whatever reason he has regressed in the mental side of the game this year. He's been way too slow to react to what he should be seeing pre-snap. Way too slow to pull the trigger post-snap. And way too regularly staring down a receiver, resulting in a sack. I wish all of that wasn't true but it just has been. He's got four weeks left to correct all of that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 This is the last step in his development. This is where Brady beats everyone. Understanding and winning the mental side to maximize his effectiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 6 hours ago, motorj said: Also is Allen reverting to a checkdown mentality? He threw way too much to the RB's this game when he should be looking deep like he usually does seems uncharacteristic Don't agree with this, but I didn't like those long sideline "checkdowns" he kept doing to wrs. I get he wants to let the wr make a play, but takes too long to develop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) Sorry there's no criticism of Josh here. Blame Daboll. The play was basically designed to go to the flat. The DB did not bite on the deep route. This is what we were doing to substitute for the running game short passes in the first half... it didn't quite work out , sure but Josh was going to that screen the whole time. The notion of him pump faking and seeing the open guy in the mere seconds he had is unlikely. Edited December 15, 2021 by RichRiderBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: That play to throw to the back may have been scripted just to set up other stuff later. JA has no pressure so there is no reason for the dump off other than that was the plan all the way. Sure looks like something they should try again but the problem is Davis doesn't have the speed Sander has. If you try that with Diggs the safety probably rotates over. Davis is fast enough and he blocks down field well. So you may get the corner to bite if JA fakes a pass to the flat first at the same time Davis does a stop and go. I agree here. The play should have been good for a few yards, it's a run sub pass. Later on you run it again on a similar down, but this time targeting the deep route. Set up. Could have been money. I don't mind the concept at all. Just executed off...and good play by DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Sorry there's no criticism of Josh here. Blame Daboll. The play was basically designed to go to the flat. The DB did not bite on the deep route. This is what we were doing to substitute for the running game short passes in the first half... it didn't quite work out , sure but Josh was going to that screen the whole time. The notion of him pump faking and seeing the open guy in the mere seconds he had is unlikely. I'd say it's more Josh not having much confidence in the OL he may have felt pressure on the side. Last year this would be a td for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Andy1 said: This is the last step in his development. This is where Brady beats everyone. Understanding and winning the mental side to maximize his effectiveness. OK, but understand that Brady has about 20 years more experience than Josh. And Brady is freakin' smart. Not that Josh is a dummy, but I don't think I've ever seen a QB like Brady for his football IQ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Probably film study by the DB. As far as I can remember when Josh looks to dump off its never a fake so the DB knows that as soon as Josh looks to dump off he can come up on the RB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 Yeah, that's stinks, but you also have to know that Josh keeps getting drilled into his head to take what the defense gives you. So, at the beginning of the game, you can see that's what he is probably thinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 9 hours ago, motorj said: Also is Allen reverting to a checkdown mentality? He threw way too much to the RB's this game when he should be looking deep like he usually does seems uncharacteristic Just watch Teddy Bridgewater for one game and you'll never complain again about how often a QB checks down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) Looked to me like the whole point of the play was to throw that quick pass out to Singletary with room to run. All the other receivers run patterns to the other side of the field. Except Sanders goes long hoping to take the DB with him. Josh drops back and looks right tor a split second and then looks left and hits Singletary. The play only gets 1 yard cuz the DB didn't buy it and came in to make the tackle. We ran several plays like that early on. Edited December 15, 2021 by reddogblitz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 18 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Heads up play by the defender…stayed with the receiver long enough so that josh moved on in his progressions to the correct read and then broke on it early…that’s a potentially big gain for the rb if the db stays with his man maybe this is an area where JA17 can improve. He has the defense in a no-win situation. We get a big play either way, with a little vet patience. Maybe a pump fake to make that defender choose. Possibly this is also what we will get when we upgrade the pass blocking. But while JA17 is our qb of the future, he still has room to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 20 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: This first play was a set up for the same look we showed later and threw it to Gabe Davis over the backers head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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