I am not a ESPN fan but Steven A had it right

[Sharky7337]

 

Flame away but he's right.

[ALLEN1QB]

Love Steven A!! Can we hire him as coach!!!! Boom  Thanks for sharing!!

Edited November 23, 2021 by ALLEN1QB

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, ALLEN1QB said:

Love Steven A!! Can we hire him as coach!!!! Boom

 

At least bring him in for a pre game or half time speech.

[CincyBillsFan]

I hate to disagree but Steven is a blowhard.  What does Allen's contract got to do with anything?  Should they have put him in at DT to try to tackle Taylor?

 

Steven A's analysis here is beyond lazy.  Yesterday's game was all abut the Bills not being physical and the Colts jamming the football down their throats.  Sometimes when I hear this fool talk football I wonder if he actually knows anything about football. 

 

 

[Bubba Gump]

5 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

The Patriots signed quality free agents ,  Beanne has signed nothing but trash free agents.  Other then Beasley he has wasted loads of money and free agents and not one is a difference maker,  add his wasted draft choices and you have a team that is average 

 

Two years straight he drafts a RB in the third round. They both suck. And for some reason it takes McClappy 9 games to decide to dress Breida, who very well may be the best back on the team. And while we're at it, let's not involve Gabe Davis in game plans either. The dude lit it up last season and rarely drops passes. Everything is pissing me off right now, lol. 

[Sharky7337]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I hate to disagree but Steven is a blowhard.  What does Allen's contract got to do with anything?  Should they have put him in at DT to try to tackle Taylor?

 

Steven A's analysis here is beyond lazy.  Yesterday's game was all abut the Bills not being physical and the Colts jamming the football down their throats.  Sometimes when I hear this fool talk football I wonder if he actually knows anything about football. 

 

 

I mean I agree he's a blowhard and some of it is high level national media analysis. But it is embarrassing and they are wetting the bed and if josh is our guy we should be ahead of mac jones.

[Buftex]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I hate to disagree but Steven is a blowhard.  What does Allen's contract got to do with anything?  Should they have put him in at DT to try to tackle Taylor?

 

Steven A's analysis here is beyond lazy.  Yesterday's game was all abut the Bills not being physical and the Colts jamming the football down their throats.  Sometimes when I hear this fool talk football I wonder if he actually knows anything about football. 

 

 

Stephen A is a basketball guy... and nowadays, he doesn't even seem as knowledgeable about that sport either.  He is ESPN's top personality...I used to find him fairly entertaining, but I don't take him too seriously.  He is like a Howard Cosell for this century...all bluster, little substance. His job is to create hype and controversy...he's good at it, if you like that sort of thing.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I hate to disagree but Steven is a blowhard.  What does Allen's contract got to do with anything?  Should they have put him in at DT to try to tackle Taylor?

 

Steven A's analysis here is beyond lazy.  Yesterday's game was all abut the Bills not being physical and the Colts jamming the football down their throats.  Sometimes when I hear this fool talk football I wonder if he actually knows anything about football. 

 

 

His point is valid, how many TDs did that mvp candidate 258 million dollar qb throw? 
 

It wasn’t 5.

[Buftex]

12 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

The Patriots signed quality free agents ,  Beanne has signed nothing but trash free agents.  Other then Beasley he has wasted loads of money and free agents and not one is a difference maker,  add his wasted draft choices and you have a team that is average 

And what about the 20 years before this season, when the Patriots were praised for taking exactly the same approach as Beane has, in filling their roster?  There are 7 games left in this season...

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Sharky7337 said:

I mean I agree he's a blowhard and some of it is high level national media analysis. But it is embarrassing and they are wetting the bed and if josh is our guy we should be ahead of mac jones.

First off let's wait until the end of the season to see where the Bills and Patriots are.  And Mac Jones isn't driving the Pats success.  It's the fact they they're coached by the greatest coach in the history of the NFL; they have an outstanding offensive line; they have a solid running game; a fantastic OC; a very good defense that during their win streak has played consistently well and without any obvious weaknesses.

 

And this is not about Allen versus Mac Jones.  If you switched the teams and Allen was QBing the Pats and Jones the Bills our record would be 3 - 7 and the Pats would probably be 9 - 2.

 

 

 

 

[Sugar High JA17]

A couple of tweaks here and there and 30 more points and we would have won yesterday.

[78thealltimegreat]

38 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said:

 

Flame away but he's right.

Josh Allen had 3 count them 3 incompletions in the first half and yet the Bills where down 24-7 at half…he promptly had 2 passes dropped in the 3 and out to start the second half…Josh is the best player this franchise has had in 20 years …he doesn’t play RB or DT or MLB this game was lost by the front office and coaching staff…but do agree with Stephen A this team is drifting into fraud territory 

6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

His point is valid, how many TDs did that mvp candidate 258 million dollar qb throw? 
 

It wasn’t 5.

Did Josh give up 185 yards rushing and 5 TDS to the same guy? Or decide to call for field goals of 57 or 59 yards in the wind and rain? Josh is the absolute least of our worries 

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

His point is valid, how many TDs did that mvp candidate 258 million dollar qb throw? 
 

It wasn’t 5.

It's a stupid comparison in today's NFL.  You can look at any number of games and show how an undrafted guy making the NFL minimum put up better stats then a guy making top dollar.  How about when Mike White blew away Joe Burrow?  I mean Burrow was the NUMBER ONE DRAFT choice making a lot more money then free agent drifter White.

 

And to make matters even worse, Steven A is comparing a RB's production to a QB's production.  Well in last years playoff game Allen had 3 TD's and almost 400 yards of total offense. Did Taylor even get to a combined 100 yards?  No, he didn't he had 84 total yards.  And how many TD's did he have in that game? 

 

As for yesterday's game did Steven A consider if weather conditions might have impacted an elite RB's numbers compared to an elite QB's?

 

If the expectation going forward is that Allen must have a great game every week because he makes a lot of money now then Bills fans are going to be very disappointed. 

[n8dg14]

You hold out hope they can figure something out, but if I’m honest about how I’m feeling… he nailed it.

 

I would supplement that with an element Stephen A and all non Bills fans can’t add themselves because they can’t truly feel it.  As a Bills fan you kinda expect the worst.   It’s basically in your DNA.  
 

This is the first year I haven’t purchased the ticket.  I only watch the games if they are on TV.  I’d not missed a single Bills game since 1986 (that I could watch), but I came in dreading this season.  After the four Super Bowls and then two decades of let down (and more often than not just plain and utter disgusting football and penny pinching), even last years brilliant season hasn’t been able to shake that “they’re gonna let you down!” feeling ( at least I’ve had) since opening day.  
 

I hope they prove me wrong.  I hope they can figure something out.  There is certainly time to do so.  You hate sayings like “any given Sunday” et all, but this really is a week to week league.  It’s logical to think a team that has talent (and this one absolutely does) can turn it around.
 

That’s three really bad losses.  Tennessee is the only loss that isn’t sickening.  Two of the three were at home.  Defend our dirt is laughable at this point.  This team with this talent.  It’s starting to feel disgusting again, but for different reasons than the drought.

 

Maybe they need a 9-7 loss to the Cleveland Browns wild card game season to string this all together…. Of course that would be 10-7 or 9-8 now. No bickering Bills with this squad of nice guys, and please no end zone sure td drop to end the season (thank you Ronnie Harmon, right behind Scott Norwood and Music City in top traumatic Bills memories to which there are gazillions at this point). 
 

Whatever happens I think I didn’t buy the ticket because I didn’t want the Bills to disappoint me again, or at least (because I still watch when they are televised nationally) I wanted to try keep a healthy distance from what I considered inevitable. 
 

It’s not mattering in the slightest.  Still sucks you in like a black hole.  This is goin to be a long year if something doesn’t change soon, and what a cherry it would be to watch New England take back the division title in the process. 

[Niagara Dude]

32 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

Two years straight he drafts a RB in the third round. They both suck. And for some reason it takes McClappy 9 games to decide to dress Breida, who very well may be the best back on the team. And while we're at it, let's not involve Gabe Davis in game plans either. The dude lit it up last season and rarely drops passes. Everything is pissing me off right now, lol. 

Does anyone know both those RB'S were both two of the slowest in the draft at 4.66 forty,  not how you do that two years in row. I don't want to hear about the line because I saw Breida making plays that we have not see from either guy. 

30 minutes ago, Buftex said:

And what about the 20 years before this season, when the Patriots were praised for taking exactly the same approach as Beane has, in filling their roster?  There are 7 games left in this season...

Name the difference makers this team has?  and Milalo is not a difference maker.  I got White/Diggs and Allen,  you needed speed and he signed Sanders who is 34 years old.

[Bubba Gump]

3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Does anyone know both those RB'S were both two of the slowest in the draft at 4.66 forty,  not how you do that two years in row. I don't want to hear about the line because I saw Breida making plays that we have not see from either guy. 

 

I actually did not know they were that slow. I knew they were slugs, but wtf were you thinking Beane?? 

[Niagara Dude]

18 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

I actually did not know they were that slow. I knew they were slugs, but wtf were you thinking Beane?? 

Not hard to see how Breida can press the edges with great speed and burst to the line where other two guys take forever to get to the line.  If was not a massive weakness then why was Beanne trying to sign Bell last after the deadline after he was released from the Jets.  The fact is both backs were brought back this year because Beane did not want admit he wasted 3rd rounder. The good news is because Beane hit on the most important position on the field he can easily fix this in the offseason. We still will make the playoffs but this is not a Super Bowl team and let's hope he learns from this.  We need about 3-4 new offensive starters next season,  2 lineman min ,  Speed WR to help take away double teams Diggs is dealing with and new running with better speed. I would settle for one starting lineman and new starting RB but who knows maybe they pull it together this season.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

53 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

If the expectation going forward is that Allen must have a great game every week because he makes a lot of money now then Bills fans are going to be very disappointed. 

see that you and he are practically saying the same thing

[Buftex]

29 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Does anyone know both those RB'S were both two of the slowest in the draft at 4.66 forty,  not how you do that two years in row. I don't want to hear about the line because I saw Breida making plays that we have not see from either guy. 

Name the difference makers this team has?  and Milalo is not a difference maker.  I got White/Diggs and Allen,  you needed speed and he signed Sanders who is 34 years old.

Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde... I won't waste a lot of time arguing the point.. the argument that starts out "take away all the good players he brought in, than what has he done?" isn't really worth it.   

 

I get it...the Bills disappointed all of us... the season ain't over... there have been times in recent years where elite teams like the Bucs, Chiefs and your beloved Pats have had lulls at parts of the season.  They may not be the Super Bowl champs that so many crowned them as, but lets not pretend that one really ***** performance destroys all the progress they have made. 

 

Unless you are truly convinced that they really are a fraud, I hold out hope that the monumental disaster that we saw yesterday, that affected literally every facet of the team, was an aberration of sorts.  Maybe I am nuts....but I will be watching every game they play this season....whether it is seven more, or 8- 11, I am still thinking they have a good shot at winning them.  The wheels aren't completely off...

[GETTOTHE50]

hate to say it, but i feel the same way. i may not think the same exact things. but i am that upset this team. its absolutely ridiculous and uncalled for to get blown out like that home, and to lose against the Jags.

 

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

Two years straight he drafts a RB in the third round. They both suck. And for some reason it takes McClappy 9 games to decide to dress Breida, who very well may be the best back on the team. And while we're at it, let's not involve Gabe Davis in game plans either. The dude lit it up last season and rarely drops passes. Everything is pissing me off right now, lol. 

 

Yeah, Singletary and his 5 yards per carry are horrible.  That's definitely what's killing us.

 

[John from Riverside]

When we beat the New England Patriots and win the division I want an apology thread from all you I know I won’t get it you’ll just stop posting bull#### hoping the people don’t remember threads like this

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

When we beat the New England Patriots and win the division I want an apology thread from all you I know I won’t get it you’ll just stop posting bull#### hoping the people don’t remember threads like this

 

We gotta do more than beat the Patriots, brother!

[Thurman#1]

3 hours ago, Sharky7337 said:

 

Flame away but he's right.

 

 

You recommended it, and it was Stephen A., so I figured it'd be off the rails, and that's right. 

 

A shred or two of sense, no real over-riding point or idea and lots of empty shouting and overreaction. Basically a waste of time. Blame goes to me for even considering for a moment it might be worth watching.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

28 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Yeah, Singletary and his 5 yards per carry are horrible.  That's definitely what's killing us.

 

 

 

Yup. Imagine if he and Moss had a line like Indy's in front of them. They'd be building a state of Zach and Devin.

[Brand J]

A lot of these talking heads (Orlovsky, Brandt, Brees, Esiason, JayWill, Michael Robinson, and many others) backed the Bills religiously, even after the L to the Jaguars. The team is making every one of them look foolish right now and no one likes to be proven wrong or made to look like a fool. They can be bandwagon fans, we can’t. Hopefully the Bills right the ship and they’re all able to puff their chests out again with what they knew would happen: Bills will represent the AFC in the Super Bowl.

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I hate to disagree but Steven is a blowhard.  What does Allen's contract got to do with anything?  Should they have put him in at DT to try to tackle Taylor?

 

Steven A's analysis here is beyond lazy.  Yesterday's game was all abut the Bills not being physical and the Colts jamming the football down their throats.  Sometimes when I hear this fool talk football I wonder if he actually knows anything about football. 

 

 

His schtick is old but it is funny listening to 2 grown men shouting over each other saying absolutely nothing. You're right,  this simply comes down to physicality,  determination and trench talent.  All of which we have very little of right now. The Jags game sums up this season.  It will get fixed but not till next year. And don't be shocked if Daboll is gone. 

[corta765]

8 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

The Patriots signed quality free agents ,  Beanne has signed nothing but trash free agents.  Other then Beasley he has wasted loads of money and free agents and not one is a difference maker,  add his wasted draft choices and you have a team that is average 

Matt Judon was a guy I wanted and the moment I saw he went to NE I figured he was gonna do well.

[cage]

No flame... Stephen A is netting it out perfectly

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

 

Did Josh give up 185 yards rushing and 5 TDS to the same guy? Or decide to call for field goals of 57 or 59 yards in the wind and rain? Josh is the absolute least of our worries 

If your bar is to not be a worry, it’s too low.

Excuses may be comforting, but 21/35 for 209 with two ints, against a middling defense isnt good enough for the franchise qb and second highest paid player in the NFL. 

[stosh64]

I don't know how anyone watches espn or S A., unless you wear a bib to catch your drool.

**** them both.

[Beerball]

9 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I hate to disagree but Steven is a blowhard.  What does Allen's contract got to do with anything?  Should they have put him in at DT to try to tackle Taylor?

 

Steven A's analysis here is beyond lazy.  Yesterday's game was all abut the Bills not being physical and the Colts jamming the football down their throats.  Sometimes when I hear this fool talk football I wonder if he actually knows anything about football. 

 

 

Just like the OP who feels the need to start his title with "I am nod a espn fan" you decide to start with "I hate to disagree."

 

Really, do you really hate it?

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, corta765 said:

Matt Judon was a guy I wanted and the moment I saw he went to NE I figured he was gonna do well.

Exactly, he is a difference maker.  Bills would have been far further ahead letting Milano walk and Iike his game but not a difference maker who you have to gameplan for. We need to stop just paying guy just because they are here,  it has to make sense. One step further,  why is Klein making over 6 million?  good depth guy but not changing games for you. Addison/Butler are two more free agents signings that were overpaid.  Focus in on signing guys that make big plays and then you can surround them with drafted players and lower salary free agents.  Klein/Butler/Addison all making around 6 million each,  better off signing a star for 14-15 million a season then 3 guys who do little of next to nothing.

[PatsFanNH]

10 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I hate to disagree but Steven is a blowhard.  What does Allen's contract got to do with anything?  Should they have put him in at DT to try to tackle Taylor?

 

Steven A's analysis here is beyond lazy.  Yesterday's game was all abut the Bills not being physical and the Colts jamming the football down their throats.  Sometimes when I hear this fool talk football I wonder if he actually knows anything about football. 

 

 

His point was about Allen only scoring 7 points and the fact the O turned it over 3 times. Making it easy for the Colts to just keep running the ball.

 

for example when he led them down make it 14-7 the Colts temporarily lost their minds and stopped running the ball. 

[RyanC883]

10 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

The Patriots signed quality free agents ,  Beanne has signed nothing but trash free agents.  Other then Beasley he has wasted loads of money and free agents and not one is a difference maker,  add his wasted draft choices and you have a team that is average 

 

9 hours ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

I actually did not know they were that slow. I knew they were slugs, but wtf were you thinking Beane?? 

 

Bean is bad at drafting, esp early when he at best gets average instead of difference makers in rd 1-2. 

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

If your bar is to not be a worry, it’s too low.

Excuses may be comforting, but 21/35 for 209 with two ints, against a middling defense isnt good enough for the franchise qb and second highest paid player in the NFL. 

Yes most of his incompletions where when he was forcing it downfield when it was 31-7 did you watch the game? And then when they cut it to 31-15 what did the defense do the next drive? Here’s a hint give up another touchdown the kid is a one man offense be thankful he’s in Buffalo and he’s doing this all behind the 30th rated oline 

52 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

His point was about Allen only scoring 7 points and the fact the O turned it over 3 times. Making it easy for the Colts to just keep running the ball.

 

for example when he led them down make it 14-7 the Colts temporarily lost their minds and stopped running the ball. 

The Colts the next drive made it 17-7 and then Isiah fumbled the kickoff and then the ball at the 2 I doubt he even watched the game 

[PatsFanNH]

23 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The Colts the next drive made it 17-7 and then Isiah fumbled the kickoff and then the ball at the 2 I doubt he even watched the game 

That’s right, because they stopped running. If (as Steven A says) come back and get another TD ITS STILL 24-14.. the point is the O was just as bad as the D and most of the money is spent on the O. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Yes most of his incompletions where when he was forcing it downfield when it was 31-7 did you watch the game? And then when they cut it to 31-15 what did the defense do the next drive? Here’s a hint give up another touchdown the kid is a one man offense be thankful he’s in Buffalo and he’s doing this all behind the 30th rated oline 

Yeah I watched him force a deep in to double covered Davis instead of hitting wide open sanders or allowing Diggs to come free across the middle opting for an INT. 
 

I watched him throw off target to knox, Beasley, Gabe, Moss on easy gimme passes. 
 

I watched another in accurate forced pass into double coverage for another INT. 

 

I watched 5 drives with zero points, two ints that led to 14 opposing points.
 

I’ve been told for 20 years the QB was the thing we need. Now with the second most expensive one, not a rookie anymore the Kid gloves are off. Time for the man to start delivering.
 

Expecting him to win games isn’t asking home to be an overachiever.  He’s yet to beat a good defense or win a tight game for the team this season. 
 

He failed in the big moment vs Tennessee, couldn’t score a single TD vs Jacksonville, and was was a more turnover Prones Tyrod Taylor level player vs the colts.  
 

It’s a very disappointing pattern and inarguable. It better turn around or you can expect the Jared Goff Comparisons coming soon. 

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

His point was about Allen only scoring 7 points and the fact the O turned it over 3 times. Making it easy for the Colts to just keep running the ball.

 

for example when he led them down make it 14-7 the Colts temporarily lost their minds and stopped running the ball. 

That one season of not being a contender must have been tough for Pats nation eh? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said:

Exactly, he is a difference maker.  Bills would have been far further ahead letting Milano walk and Iike his game but not a difference maker who you have to gameplan for. We need to stop just paying guy just because they are here,  it has to make sense. One step further,  why is Klein making over 6 million?  good depth guy but not changing games for you. Addison/Butler are two more free agents signings that were overpaid.  Focus in on signing guys that make big plays and then you can surround them with drafted players and lower salary free agents.  Klein/Butler/Addison all making around 6 million each,  better off signing a star for 14-15 million a season then 3 guys who do little of next to nothing.

Yeah- they’ve build a really expensive ‘good’ team that can really lay it on bad QBs and some marginal defenses. 

[PatsFanNH]

25 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

That one season of not being a contender must have been tough for Pats nation eh? 

Not really, they were ina lot of games the only hard part was watching Newton either sale the ball 5 ft over the receivers head or put it into the ground 2 yards in front of them.. that was frustrating.. but nothing will ever be as bad as 1992 and 1993 when we thought we actually may lose the team to of all places St Louis.