HappyDays Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) This is worth a full watch if you have 50 minutes to spare. A few takeaways: 1) There are 3 or 4 times where Allen could hit Diggs with a quick throw but inexplicably moves onto the next read. Considering the chemistry they had last year this feels like an easy fix. 2) Beasley probably should not have played in this game. His injury held him back too much to be a consistent factor on the field. 3) Boettger and Ford were pushed into Allen's lap a bunch of times. We saw the return of some sloppy mechanics from Allen in this game, and much like the Steelers game I think it is because he was anticipating pressure from the interior. Allen still needs to be held accountable for those few mistakes when they happen. But when the offensive line gives him a pocket he is still the passer we saw last year. 4) The guards have gotten the lion's share of the blame in this game but Dawkins and Williams didn't fare much better. A lot of pressures were just one-on-one matchups where one of the o-linemen, take your pick, lost the battle in under 3 seconds. This was by far the biggest problem in the game IMO. Morse appears to be the only one that comes away mostly blameless. 5) Ford has rightly been called out for poor footwork and technique. We can now also call him out for his poor football IQ. On several plays he blocked the wrong guy or didn't pick up a stunt he was responsible for. This led to several free rushers. 6) The video doesn't specifically mention this but Sweeney is a complete non-factor in the passing game. He is not athletic enough to block or run routes. On one play he is pushed so far out of his route by the LB that he eliminates a would-be open passing window to Diggs. He is a borderline TE3, personally I don't think he belongs on an NFL roster. 7) The final 3rd down where Williams is late off the snap is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. There is a full half second where it looks like someone pushed the pause button on him. Everyone else is moving and he just remains in his stance. This was the most critical 3rd down of the game and he totally blew it. Edited November 9, 2021 by HappyDays 5 3 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothar Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 It's no wonder Josh was in escape mode on most dropbacks. That was some of the worst OL play I can ever recall seeing. Just didn't see any adjustments or motion to change the tempo either. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 9, 2021 Author Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Lothar said: Just didn't see any adjustments or motion to change the tempo either. I don't know what happened to all the pre-snap motion fron last year. The pass rush is teeing off every game. Give them something to think about. The McKenzie jet sweeps were a staple of our offense the past two years. What happened to that? Edited November 9, 2021 by HappyDays 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't know what happened to all the pre-snap notion fron last year. The pass rush is teeing off every game. Give them something to think about. The McKenzie jet sweeps were a staple of our offense the past two years. What happened to that? One factor I've been thinking about that I don't see mentioned is: The Bills promoted Ken Dorsey to "Passing Game Coordinator" as well as "QB Coach". It seems pretty clear to me that our passing game is not as well designed this year. Correlation or causation? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 (edited) Bless their hearts going through that pile of *****. Thank you for the recap, I can't spend 50 minutes of my life reliving that "performance." Edited November 9, 2021 by elroy16 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Loves Bills Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: One factor I've been thinking about that I don't see mentioned is: The Bills promoted Ken Dorsey to "Passing Game Coordinator" as well as "QB Coach". It seems pretty clear to me that our passing game is not as well designed this year. Correlation or causation? Great question that I haven't seen asked. We probably won't know until (if ever) we learn what "coordinator" means. I don't think he's calling the plays so does he build a plan for the week and Daboll picks plays from that strategy but at the same time that doesn't mean anything for the run game? Seems confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 18 minutes ago, Chief Loves Bills said: Great question that I haven't seen asked. We probably won't know until (if ever) we learn what "coordinator" means. I don't think he's calling the plays so does he build a plan for the week and Daboll picks plays from that strategy but at the same time that doesn't mean anything for the run game? Seems confusing. As an NFL outsider, I have no clue what the roles and responsibilities of a "passing game coordinator" and a "run game coordinator" vs an OC may be. But if the concern is design of pass plays being less effective, it seems possible to me that a new "passing game coordinator" may play a role. Or maybe not, maybe he was doing the same thing last season, and teams are just "on" to us now. I will say, that the run and pass game and blocking need to all work together so that we don't "tell" the defense before the snap whether or not we're running, and I think we both have "tells" telegraphing run or pass to the defense AND the run/pass game somehow just don't work smoothly together (these may be related problems) 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Sweeney is a good guy though…. Gotta keep him. It pains me to appear to agree with you, but Sweeney over Hollister is in fact looking like an error in player personnel evaluation at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: One factor I've been thinking about that I don't see mentioned is: The Bills promoted Ken Dorsey to "Passing Game Coordinator" as well as "QB Coach". It seems pretty clear to me that our passing game is not as well designed this year. Correlation or causation? I dont think the Dorsey promotion had any impact. I thought they gave Dorsey a "bigger title" to demonstrate their appreciation for his work with Allen but in reality I dont think much has changed. I dont recall anyone leaving so my guess his responsibilities didn't change this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: I don't know what happened to all the pre-snap notion fron last year. The pass rush is teeing off every game. Give them something to think about. The McKenzie jet sweeps were a staple of our offense the past two years. What happened to that? My gut tells me they are trying to protect McKenzie from injury so that they won't be without a returner. But they need to get back to using him and all of the pre snap motion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 11 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is worth a full watch if you have 50 minutes to spare. A few takeaways: 1) There are 3 or 4 times where Allen could hit Diggs with a quick throw but inexplicably moves onto the next read. Considering the chemistry they had last year this feels like an easy fix. 2) Beasley probably should not have played in this game. His injury held him back too much to be a consistent factor on the field. 3) Boettger and Ford were pushed into Allen's lap a bunch of times. We saw the return of some sloppy mechanics from Allen in this game, and much like the Steelers game I think it is because he was anticipating pressure from the interior. Allen still needs to be held accountable for those few mistakes when they happen. But when the offensive line gives him a pocket he is still the passer we saw last year. 4) The guards have gotten the lion's share of the blame in this game but Dawkins and Williams didn't fare much better. A lot of pressures were just one-on-one matchups where one of the o-lineman, take your pick, lost the battle in under 3 seconds. This was by far the biggest problem in the game IMO. Morse appears to be the only one that comes away mostly blameless. 5) Ford has rightly been called out for poor footwork and technique. We can now also call him out his poor football IQ. On several plays he blocked the wrong guy or didn't pick up a stunt he was responsible for. This led to several free rushers. 5) The video doesn't specifically mention this but Sweeney is a complete non-factor in the passing game. He is not athletic enough to block or run routes. On one play he is pushed so far out of his route by the LB that he eliminates a would-be open passing window to Diggs. He is a borderline TE3, personally I don't think he belongs on an NFL roster. 6) The final 3rd down where Williams is late off the snap is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. There is a full half second where it looks like someone pushed the pause button on him. Everyone else is moving and he just remains in his stance. This was the most critical 3rd down of the game and he totally blew it. Credit Allen for not throwing to Diggs Sunday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Is that the same as Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Is that the same as No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said: No Cover1. Bills Jags. huh. Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted November 9, 2021 Author Share Posted November 9, 2021 41 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Is that the same as No, the one I linked to is a video all-22 review. I changed the topic name to make it clearer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 hours ago, FireChans said: Credit Allen for not throwing to Diggs Sunday. That's what you took from this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Cover1. Bills Jags. huh. Ok. Cover 1 does more than one publication per game week. The first was a review of the overall game. The next one was a film review of specifically the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 The final 3rd down where Williams is late off the snap is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. There is a full half second where it looks like someone pushed the pause button on him. Everyone else is moving and he just remains in his stance. This was the most critical 3rd down of the game and he totally blew it. I was screaming at the television! My wife thought I was nuts. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. It was like he was day-dreaming. Hey Williams....where else would you rather be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 6 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Sweeney is a good guy though…. Gotta keep him. Real lunch pail kinda guy. 6 hours ago, HappyDays said: The McKenzie jet sweeps were a staple of our offense the past two years. What happened to that? He's our returner now, so I'm sure the brain-trust don't want to tire him out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Could they activate Stevenson and use him as the sweep? Kumerow has been very quiet in this offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: One factor I've been thinking about that I don't see mentioned is: The Bills promoted Ken Dorsey to "Passing Game Coordinator" as well as "QB Coach". It seems pretty clear to me that our passing game is not as well designed this year. Correlation or causation? Most likely correlation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 15 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is worth a full watch if you have 50 minutes to spare. A few takeaways: 1) There are 3 or 4 times where Allen could hit Diggs with a quick throw but inexplicably moves onto the next read. Considering the chemistry they had last year this feels like an easy fix. 2) Beasley probably should not have played in this game. His injury held him back too much to be a consistent factor on the field. 3) Boettger and Ford were pushed into Allen's lap a bunch of times. We saw the return of some sloppy mechanics from Allen in this game, and much like the Steelers game I think it is because he was anticipating pressure from the interior. Allen still needs to be held accountable for those few mistakes when they happen. But when the offensive line gives him a pocket he is still the passer we saw last year. 4) The guards have gotten the lion's share of the blame in this game but Dawkins and Williams didn't fare much better. A lot of pressures were just one-on-one matchups where one of the o-lineman, take your pick, lost the battle in under 3 seconds. This was by far the biggest problem in the game IMO. Morse appears to be the only one that comes away mostly blameless. 5) Ford has rightly been called out for poor footwork and technique. We can now also call him out his poor football IQ. On several plays he blocked the wrong guy or didn't pick up a stunt he was responsible for. This led to several free rushers. 5) The video doesn't specifically mention this but Sweeney is a complete non-factor in the passing game. He is not athletic enough to block or run routes. On one play he is pushed so far out of his route by the LB that he eliminates a would-be open passing window to Diggs. He is a borderline TE3, personally I don't think he belongs on an NFL roster. 6) The final 3rd down where Williams is late off the snap is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. There is a full half second where it looks like someone pushed the pause button on him. Everyone else is moving and he just remains in his stance. This was the most critical 3rd down of the game and he totally blew it. I haven’t watched this yet, but I saw in real time and then on replay Morse get blown up multiple times. I also noticed that all 3 interior linemen could not block a stunt, and that Williams was confused several times as to the number of the guy he was blocking. There was one play where three Bills were blocking 1 guy. these are all mental errors, and I don’t understand why they all occurred consistently throughout the entire game all across the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Most likely correlation. Could well be, I lack knowledge of the inner nuts-n-bolts workings to understand how titles correspond to roles and responsibilities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Could well be I say that because to me the buck stops with Daboll. Dorsey should be carrying out the Daboll plan and Daboll should make sure that his plan is being carried out by Dorsey. As far as your earlier question on what is a passing game coordinator, I always thought it was the old QB Coach, but I am not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 Watching this video makes me even more amazed by josh Allen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It pains me to appear to agree with you, but Sweeney over Hollister is in fact looking like an error in player personnel evaluation at this point. Not a defense of Sweeney by any means, but I am not sure what in Hollister's 4 catches for 21 yards in Jag land this year says “oh, no - we should have kept him”. I cant really blame them for keeping a guy who is developing and still has potential over they guy who has had plenty of chances and has clearly reached his level. I think Beane Is open to criticism for not bringing in better competition when it would have mattered though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 I could only get through half of that. Watching that Oline lose ground every play again...with more explanation of how bad they are....cant do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 17 hours ago, HappyDays said: This is worth a full watch if you have 50 minutes to spare. A few takeaways: 1) There are 3 or 4 times where Allen could hit Diggs with a quick throw but inexplicably moves onto the next read. Considering the chemistry they had last year this feels like an easy fix. 2) Beasley probably should not have played in this game. His injury held him back too much to be a consistent factor on the field. 3) Boettger and Ford were pushed into Allen's lap a bunch of times. We saw the return of some sloppy mechanics from Allen in this game, and much like the Steelers game I think it is because he was anticipating pressure from the interior. Allen still needs to be held accountable for those few mistakes when they happen. But when the offensive line gives him a pocket he is still the passer we saw last year. 4) The guards have gotten the lion's share of the blame in this game but Dawkins and Williams didn't fare much better. A lot of pressures were just one-on-one matchups where one of the o-linemen, take your pick, lost the battle in under 3 seconds. This was by far the biggest problem in the game IMO. Morse appears to be the only one that comes away mostly blameless. 5) Ford has rightly been called out for poor footwork and technique. We can now also call him out for his poor football IQ. On several plays he blocked the wrong guy or didn't pick up a stunt he was responsible for. This led to several free rushers. 6) The video doesn't specifically mention this but Sweeney is a complete non-factor in the passing game. He is not athletic enough to block or run routes. On one play he is pushed so far out of his route by the LB that he eliminates a would-be open passing window to Diggs. He is a borderline TE3, personally I don't think he belongs on an NFL roster. 7) The final 3rd down where Williams is late off the snap is one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen. There is a full half second where it looks like someone pushed the pause button on him. Everyone else is moving and he just remains in his stance. This was the most critical 3rd down of the game and he totally blew it. 7) See the last offensive play of the painful late season loss at NE in 2019. Both tackles didn't come off the ball and two edge rushers had totally free runs at Allen. Not sure if Allen maybe didn't clearly express the snap count in the heat of a big moment or what but both were huge, end of game, high leverage plays with the same result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 11 hours ago, HappyDays said: I don't know what happened to all the pre-snap motion fron last year. The pass rush is teeing off every game. Give them something to think about. The McKenzie jet sweeps were a staple of our offense the past two years. What happened to that? Maybe the release of Andre roberts has effected us more than we think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Cover 1 does a very good job of analyzing why our offense was held scoreless for almost 3 quarters. The primary reason was the OL performance. On too many plays they weren't able to handle the rush. That rush was well designed: show 5-6 guys on the D line & then have one not rush while another rushed from the opposite side. The OL also had problems with stunts & bull rushes up the middle. When Josh had a clean pocket or was able to escape the pocket he was able to complete throws. The problem with an offense that steadily moves down the field is that you need to be able to make plays consistently. The Bills' OL wasn't able to do that Once the defense gets into the QB's head bad things happen. Even the GOAT Brady gets rattled if you get in his face. We better prepare for what the Jags did on D because we'll be seeing a lot of it as the season progresses. Oh well. On to the Jets. Let's hope this loss sobers up the offense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: 7) See the last offensive play of the painful late season loss at NE in 2019. Both tackles didn't come off the ball and two edge rushers had totally free runs at Allen. Not sure if Allen maybe didn't clearly express the snap count in the heat of a big moment or what but both were huge, end of game, high leverage plays with the same result. My thought with the Williams play and with that play, was a communication issue. FWIW, when asked if communication issues were a factor in the game, Morse said "no" - but then maybe that's his way of not pointing the finger at anyone but himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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