BillsFan130 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Yes Williams was horrible never said he wasn’t. But my QB should know the situation as well. really compounded even worse but running out of protection the next play. And shortening your field. I don't know. If he throws it away I bet it's 50/50 on intentional grounding at best. I don't disagree with some of your criticism for Josh in this thread, but that play I just can't fault him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: MCD spent 1 minute coaching, 59 min crying to refs. Didn't matter... He should have opened his wallet... Clearly the Refs gave two brown sticks about tears... They just wanted to be paid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, nedboy7 said: Yes. No matter what everyone seems to think I doubt Bellicheat would lose to the Jags in this fashion. I do not blame McD. Daboll lost that game. Well maybe some blame can go to our OL. Just a little. Nah McD had some bad decisions, like declining the holding penalty to shove them back and letting them get that 55 yarder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: Nah McD had some bad decisions, like declining the holding penalty to shove them back and letting them get that 55 yarder. I was surprised at that call. True. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, nedboy7 said: Yes. No matter what everyone seems to think I doubt Bellicheat would lose to the Jags in this fashion. I do not blame McD. Daboll lost that game. Well maybe some blame can go to our OL. Just a little. Patriots lost to Miami.... This season, and then Miami lost to the jags. Any Sunday. This loss sucks, but it's only 1 loss and there's plenty of season left 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I know he is being asked to do everything. How is that different than any other QB? Brady isn't being asked to do everything. He never has been asked to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 D allows only 218 yards and 9 points and they still lose. Embarrassing. Trevor Lawrence got me 5 fantasy points at QB...what a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Wanted to draft Freiermuth as well, its like this team thinks you dont need great TEs but it seems like most Superbowl winners have them. Agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, Big Turk said: D allows only 218 yards and 9 points and they still lose. Embarrassing. Trevor Lawrence got me 5 fantasy points at QB...what a joke Well whaddaya doing starting Lawrence? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: They rushed Beasley back because he is the only one left to work the areas that knox works. I think knox has a chance this week. Maybe The fact that they think a 50% Cole Beasley is better than a 100% Isaiah McKenzie doesn't speak well for McKenzie, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: I don't know. If he throws it away I bet it's 50/50 on intentional grounding at best. I don't disagree with some of your criticism for Josh in this thread, but that play I just can't fault him Ok agree to disagree on that play. Was the next play the right decision to leave a pocket and shorten your field on 4th and 16? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Anyone know if Stevenson is eligible to come off IR yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Well whaddaya doing starting Lawrence? It's a dynasty league and I have a ton of rookies. Darnold and Carr we're my other options Edited November 7, 2021 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: Josh shares some of the blame for this game but how can you expect a team to win where the offensive line play was so incredibly poor that tackles aren't even coming out of stance until the defender have blown past them? Just personal opinion but I agree with your take. Josh had some terrible plays that were on him. But ask any QB in the nfl to go win a game with zero established run game, therefore no play action, legitimately untouched pass rushers hitting you every play and see how they do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, vincec said: The fact that they think a 50% Cole Beasley is better than a 100% Isaiah McKenzie doesn't speak well for McKenzie, IMO. Or it speaks to the arrogance at times of this staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: Ok agree to disagree on that play. Was the next play the right decision to leave a pocket and shorten your field on 4th and 16? Probably not. But he actually had sanders open. For some reason just didn't look his way and went to Diggs instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Ok agree to disagree on that play. Was the next play the right decision to leave a pocket and shorten your field on 4th and 16? It’s the wrong decision but a symptom of not being protected for weeks 🤦🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Nope I am not. I never said the entire thing was on Allen did I. Only that most of it was. And you keep harping on a play that anyone who has watched football knows the QB is going to get sacked when the Tackle completely misses the DE. At least own up to what you're posting and not try to slink away from bashing Allen. It's very troll like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Steptide said: Patriots lost to Miami.... This season, and then Miami lost to the jags. Any Sunday. This loss sucks, but it's only 1 loss and there's plenty of season left It's not the defeat, it's the manner of the defeat. It's a humiliation - how many teams hold their opponents to nine points and lose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Anyone know if Stevenson is eligible to come off IR yet? I don’t think they are planning on it. This looks like a redshirt year the way they are treating it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) Is it time to get real, This team is not a superbowl contender this year. Look up my posts last year while we were in the playoffs. I said we needed to get rid of Singletary and Moss. Our running backs are both junk... terrible, they still are. We need to start running the ball but we need better running backs for this to happen. Thanks to Beane. No improvement because of his decisions. Our OL is terrible and are made up of overpaid underperforming talent from other teams. And yeah the OL really sucks. But you have to be able to adapt at what a team is throwing at you during game time. Josh hasn't and neither has Daboll. Josh's second INT in this game is proof of him not making good decisions. That ball should never have been thrown. I am not asking for him to be perfect but I also would expect him to be more capable at reading what a defense is doing and make adjustments. Today he was flat out bad...terrible. He is playing hero ball again this year and that is not what a $250 mil quarterback does, and will not win doing it either. Josh last year did not miss as many throws or has been off target like he has been this year, through 8 games. I will usually watch the games twice. Just to see where we made bad decisions and through 8 games this year Josh has had more bad throws, that have been off target or thrown way behind a targeted receiver causing the receiver to stop and or reverse their direction just to try and even attempt a catch. He has missed to many open receivers that could have resulted in a huge offensive gain or play. Compare that to last year when he was actually leading the receiver or making the throws where the receiver could actually make the catch in front of them, without some super human effort to come down with the ball. He still gets rattled when being rushed from the outside and not stepping up into the pocket to get rid of the ball. Even when our OL was some what healthy which now it is not, he still can't deal with the pressure and Daboll is not helping him with plays to neutralize this pressure. Vegas thinks this team is a top 5 superbowl team odds wise. We have not beaten a team that has had a .501 record or better this year. Period!!! Since when is a team a superbowl contender that has not beaten a single team with a more than a .500 record. Vegas is drinking the Kool-Aid like they always do, and so are some other NFL experts too. We will not even win our division which is sad but true. Edited November 7, 2021 by Toyo321 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Just personal opinion but I agree with your take. Josh had some terrible plays that were on him. But ask any QB in the nfl to go win a game with zero established run game, therefore no play action, legitimately untouched pass rushers hitting you every play and see how they do. You don’t need an effective run game to run play action. That has been proven over and over and over again. 3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Probably not. But he actually had sanders open. For some reason just didn't look his way and went to Diggs instead. Because he rolled right. So he looks back toward the middle of the field. If he stays in the pocket that throw likely goes to Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, MAJBobby said: You don’t need an effective run game to run play action. That has been proven over and over and over again. No, but you need a run game beyond 20 yards combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: It’s the wrong decision but a symptom of not being protected for weeks 🤦🏻 It’s a wrong decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Yes. No matter what everyone seems to think I doubt Bellicheat would lose to the Jags in this fashion. I do not blame McD. Daboll lost that game. Well maybe some blame can go to our OL. Just a little. The Patriots lost to the Dolphins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, BillsEnthusiast said: No, but you need a run game beyond 20 yards combined. No you don’t. The numbers prove it. To think you need to be able to run the ball to have effective play action has been debunked by the analytical data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: You don’t need an effective run game to run play action. That has been proven over and over and over again. Because he rolled right. So he looks back toward the middle of the field. If he stays in the pocket that throw likely goes to Sanders. Maybe. It's hard to say as it looked like a zone coverage, and we know the coverage will change depending where the QB is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
major Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 If this has been said before, I apologize (been at work): ever since we beat Kansas City I feel our team has taken the foot off the gas. Anyone else see this? I still think we go to the super bowl, but I now feel we have to go through Baltimore or Las Vegas to get there (before I felt they had to go through us) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 conference losses. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: It’s a wrong decision. But what caused him to make that decision? Get to the root of the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Process said: The Patriots lost to the Dolphins True, true. Not 9 weeks into the season though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: You don’t need an effective run game to run play action. That has been proven over and over and over again. Because he rolled right. So he looks back toward the middle of the field. If he stays in the pocket that throw likely goes to Sanders. I wonder if he continually looked (looks?) to escape the pocket because he does not trust it to hold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, Toyo321 said: Vegas thinks this team is a top 5 superbowl team odds wise. We have not beaten a team that has had a .501 record or better this year. Period!!! Since when is a team a superbowl contender that has not beaten a single team with a more than a .500 record. Vegas is drinking the Kool-Aid like they always do, and so are some other NFL experts too. We will not even win our division which is sad but true. Vegas doesn’t think that, Vegas is hoping that the people laying down cash like the odds posted so that they will bet. Vegas doesn’t care about teams or points or superbowls. They just want suckers to bet on emotion and as long as the media is talking up the Bills people will keep throwing their money away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 29 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Seems last year he was fine. Or are you one of those guys that let a single play in a season he doesn’t get many snaps going to define a young productive WRS career? He’s done nothing all year… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 If you’re an excellent team, you simply cannot lose against those bums! You should roll them. And now, you’ve lost every advantage as ALL your critical AFC opponents won! Beyond putrid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: No you don’t. The numbers prove it. To think you need to be able to run the ball to have effective play action has been debunked by the analytical data You can't run play action when your OL is getting spanked in pass protection. They are slow developing plays and the defenders are in the QBs face way too quickly. It has nothing to do with how well you're running the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Probably not. But he actually had sanders open. For some reason just didn't look his way and went to Diggs instead. I wonder if his sight line was blocked by a Bills player (lineman?) standing between him and Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Toyo321 said: Is it time to get real, This team is not a superbowl contender this year. Look up my posts last year while we were in the playoffs. I said we needed to get rid of Singletary and Moss. Our running backs are both junk... terrible, they still are. We need to start running the ball but we need better running backs for this to happen. Thanks to Beane. No improvement because of his decisions. Our OL is terrible and are made up of overpaid underperforming talent from other teams. And yeah the OL really sucks. But you have to be able to adapt at what a team is throwing at you during game time. Josh hasn't and neither has Daboll. Josh's second INT in this game is proof of him not making good decisions. That ball should never have been thrown. I am not asking for him to be perfect but I also would expect him to be more capable at reading what a defense is doing and make adjustments. Today he was flat out bad...terrible. He is playing hero ball again this year and that is not what a $250 mil quarterback does, and will not win doing it either. Josh last year did not miss as many throws or has been off target like he has been this year, through 8 games. I will usually watch the games twice. Just to see where we made bad decisions and through 8 games this year Josh has had more bad throws, that have been off target or thrown way behind a targeted receiver causing the receiver to stop and or reverse their direction just to try and even attempt a catch. He has missed to many open receivers that could have resulted in a huge offensive gain or play. Compare that to last year when he was actually leading the receiver or making the throws where the receiver could actually make the catch in front of them, without some super human effort to come down with the ball. He still gets rattled when being rushed from the outside and not stepping up into the pocket to get rid of the ball. Even when our OL was some what healthy which now it is not, he still can't deal with the pressure and Daboll is not helping him with plays to neutralize this pressure. Vegas thinks this team is a top 5 superbowl team odds wise. We have not beaten a team that has had a .501 record or better this year. Period!!! Since when is a team a superbowl contender that has not beaten a single team with a more than a .500 record. Vegas is drinking the Kool-Aid like they always do, and so are some other NFL experts too. We will not even win our division which is sad but true. Question: why do the running backs get labeled terrible despite running behind a terrible OL, but Allen's problems are explained away by a terrible OL? I think Singletary and Moss are perfectly acceptable backs who are just as hampered by the OL as Allen is. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Process said: The Patriots lost to the Dolphins In week one. When we lost to the Steelers. I get your point. But the offensive play calling today was brutal. Reminded me of the KC playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: You don’t need an effective run game to run play action. That has been proven over and over and over again. Well it sure as hell helps lol, ask tannehill when he played the bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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