dave mcbride Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/23/sports/football/josh-allen-buffalo-bills.html Have at it. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Quote Allen’s evolution to this lofty moment toppled a principle of football doctrine: that quarterbacks can’t enhance their accuracy. After selecting Allen in 2018, Bills General Manager Brandon Beane was told that he had just taken a tight end. He knew otherwise. Well if Beane was wrong he has a very expensive TE and a QB with starting experience for one year but I do not think he is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Paywall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Paywall. It isn't you need to sign in with Google or some other site and then they will automatically subscribe you but you can cancel subscription. Done it multiple times. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Kinda weird that that article had to come out now when Josh hasn’t been very accurate... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Well if Beane was wrong he has a very expensive TE and a QB with starting experience for one year but I do not think he is wrong. Would love to know who said that lol does Beane talk to some TBD folks 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Kinda weird that that article had to come out now when Josh hasn’t been very accurate... Did you read the whole article? Addresses that in second to last paragraph. ”Allen, though, hasn’t made entirely right decisions so far. After losing to Pittsburgh in Week 1, he suggested he was struggling with his footwork, and despite rebounding to thrash Miami in Week 2, Allen still committed what Pro Football Focus calls turnover-worthy plays — involving poor ball security or passes that have a strong chance of being intercepted — on a career-high 10.8 percent of his snaps.” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Personally I discount any article which cites Pro Football Flimsies a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 I don't click on bait, OP you need to learn. 2 2 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, chris heff said: Did you read the whole article? Addresses that in second to last paragraph. ”Allen, though, hasn’t made entirely right decisions so far. After losing to Pittsburgh in Week 1, he suggested he was struggling with his footwork, and despite rebounding to thrash Miami in Week 2, Allen still committed what Pro Football Focus calls turnover-worthy plays — involving poor ball security or passes that have a strong chance of being intercepted — on a career-high 10.8 percent of his snaps.” It's all that damn cupping therapy!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: Kinda weird that that article had to come out now when Josh hasn’t been very accurate... I dont think the rest of the world is ready to give up on him like some people on here. “I think there’s two kinds of players in this league: guys that get figured out and guys that figure it out,” Allen said in an interview after a recent practice. “And I was always going to be the guy who figured it out.” Allen’s evolution to this lofty moment toppled a principle of football doctrine: that quarterbacks can’t enhance their accuracy. After selecting Allen in 2018, Bills General Manager Brandon Beane was told that he had just taken a tight end. He knew otherwise. At his job interview the year before, after Buffalo’s 16th consecutive season without making the playoffs, Beane noted that the New England Patriots dynasty had been sustained in part by their three fellow A.F.C. East teams, which regularly changed coaches and front offices. Unseating the Patriots, he said, demanded time and patience, and as he scouted quarterback prospects before the draft he resolved to invest both in Allen. On the farmstead where Allen grew up in Firebaugh, Calif., a small community about 40 miles northwest of Fresno, his family has long nurtured cantaloupe, cotton and wheat — and, more recently, pistachios. Much like Allen himself, their trees need years of cultivation before producing a yield. Allen’s progression from imprecise college quarterback to N.F.L. star took an honest assessment of the transformation he required. “When you lie to yourself, the only person you hurt is yourself,” Allen said. “Being completely honest and understanding that there’s things I need to work on, I’m not afraid to reach out and ask somebody for help.” Edited September 23, 2021 by nedboy7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 8 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: I dont think the rest of the world is ready to give up on him like some people on here. Fans can be insane. Josh has improved through lots of dedicated focused work on fundamentals, tackling one issue, then another, etc. Some think that goes away? That 2020 was just a fluke? He still has that rocker arm, great running ability, etc. His decision making has been suspect but guess what, experience matters. It's more a mental slump. I'm glad he himself has said that he needs to be more "light" and a leader for his teammates. He's playing all tense right now, if he just has fun again he'll back to form. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 This is it. This is all you need to read. "Every snap he takes still seems to generate a greater range of outcomes than a Choose Your Own Adventure novel, and maybe that will never completely change. But week after week, the best quarterbacks are not those who dominate the highlights. They’re the ones who think fast, make smart throws and don’t commit turnovers. Allen can do that — has done that — and if he can do it consistently, then the longest, best, most gratifying season in Bills history might lie just ahead." 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Think of these last two games (and probably a few more along the way) as a blip in a long successful career. Take the zoomed out view. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 57 minutes ago, TBBills said: I don't click on bait, OP you need to learn. What's "click bait" about it? The title is descriptive and the article is researched and well-written. 2 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, WhoTom said: What's "click bait" about it? The title is descriptive and the article is researched and well-written. Well researched is not same thing as well cited. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Well researched is not same thing as well cited. Quote Definition of clickbait : something (such as a headline) designed to make readers want to click on a hyperlink especially when the link leads to content of dubious value or interest https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clickbait Was the content of dubious value or interest? It's fine to disagree with the article's content or to question the author's sources, but I don't see how it fits the "click bait" definition. That's what I was asking. In what way is it click bait? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Blainorama5 said: It's all that damn cupping therapy!! I think I’m pro cupping, I’m intrigued by “wet cupping”, sounds like something I’d enjoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said: Think of these last two games (and probably a few more along the way) as a blip in a long successful career. Take the zoomed out view. Well I hope this is the correct view. It could be the wrong view, unfortunately, and we won't know until we see how Allen's performance changes through time. You can't look at two days of stock market changes and declare that the losses we just saw are a blip. What are the fundamental reasons for the drop? Looking closely at the fundamentals gives a much clearer picture of what's going on. For this the opposite of the zoomed out view is needed. Allen won't suddenly get over what ails him just by assuming he will. He more than anyone needs to look very closely at what's happening, and work hard to correct whatever flaws he finds. Based on past performance, that's exactly what will happen. But you know what they say about past performance. As I said, I hope your view is right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 3 hours ago, WhoTom said: Was the content of dubious value or interest? It's fine to disagree with the article's content or to question the author's sources, but I don't see how it fits the "click bait" definition. That's what I was asking. In what way is it click bait? There's nothing wrong with it. Just a couple of jamokes giving you a hard time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 Just now, ScottLaw said: These last two games he’s been great according to a few posters here…. Actually better than last year😅 Meh. Obviously he hasn't been great. But improvement isn't always linear so taking the long view still seems appropriate in Allen's case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Paywall. It just wants you to sign in. You can simply say "no thanks" to the subscription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: These last two games he’s been great according to a few posters here…. Actually better than last year😅 I was so disgusted by the 35-0 win last week I almost made the move to the NE side. Still considering it. I am so over JA and his footwork. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Utah John said: Well I hope this is the correct view. It could be the wrong view, unfortunately, and we won't know until we see how Allen's performance changes through time. You can't look at two days of stock market changes and declare that the losses we just saw are a blip. What are the fundamental reasons for the drop? Looking closely at the fundamentals gives a much clearer picture of what's going on. For this the opposite of the zoomed out view is needed. Allen won't suddenly get over what ails him just by assuming he will. He more than anyone needs to look very closely at what's happening, and work hard to correct whatever flaws he finds. Based on past performance, that's exactly what will happen. But you know what they say about past performance. As I said, I hope your view is right. What is interesting is, I don't know how common this is? Is it common? Is it rare? JA17 was doing everything right last season. He had his mechanics down pat. He had the vision. How do you master that over a whole season and then lose it the next season? I saw a quote from Josh saying he is playing well in practice. So, it is just the games. How do you completely lose your mechanics and technique in a game? The crowd? He also lost his vision and decision making ability the last two weeks. It strikes me as very unusual. I guess there has never been a Josh Allen before so he should have unique problems as well..... i think the question is: Can Josh overcome his nerves? He's just got to calm down.... Master his techniques and go thru his reads....Easy Peasy, right? Right? LOL, I think he does it, I just don't know when. The next question about Josh Allen is can he improve from last season? Because that is what he needs to do to beat Mahomes. Before this season, I though for certain that he would improve from last season. He's still young, he still has Daboll, He has E. Sanders now. The offense which was new to each other is still coming together.... I could see Josh taking another whole step forward to get on Mahomes level. It sez here that not only does Josh find last season's game, It sez at some point this season, (hopefully it is in the playoffs) he takes another step forward. I can see him getting better at seeing the rush and avoiding it. i can see Josh becoming almost automatic when we need a TD. Almost automatic from inside the red-zone. I think our backs, Singletary and Moss, help Josh to reach another level. Not only with their excellent blocking but being another option that Josh trusts both running and receiving. I've been saying since we've had the backs that they are NFL good and they are. I also have been watching Ford. And what Ford brings is toughness this offense maybe lacked a bit. He helps the run game and gives Josh confidence in him. It is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, billybrew1 said: I don't know how common this is? Is it common? Is it rare? JA17 was doing everything right last season. He had his mechanics down pat. He had the vision. How do you master that over a whole season and then lose it the next season? It's not rare - it's called a slump. Everyone has them, and most professionals recover. I realize Josh hasn't played up to last year's standard, but I'm confident that he'll get over it soon. He's shown us plenty of examples of how he learns from mistakes and moves forward. He'll do it again. Like Aaron Rodgers (who also has slumps) said: R-E-L-A-X. Edited September 23, 2021 by WhoTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Nice….You can’t separate the blow out win from Josh Allen’s play? Since they blew out the Dolphins Allen must’ve played awesome? No I think he has regressed to a point of being the weak link. It’s time to start the tubisky experiment. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 positive press feels strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Hun? Who suggested that? I might have 😬 purely as a overreaction to losing to the Steelers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Draconator said: "Every snap he takes still seems to generate a greater range of outcomes than a Choose Your Own Adventure novel, and maybe that will never completely change. This is a great quote. Nice read. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 12 hours ago, dave mcbride said: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/23/sports/football/josh-allen-buffalo-bills.html Have at it. Bills should have got him another top target so defences cannot just take away Diggs, Bills need better quality weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 11 hours ago, WhoTom said: What's "click bait" about it? The title is descriptive and the article is researched and well-written. Some folk are a feard of the New York Times…, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 13 hours ago, dave mcbride said: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/23/sports/football/josh-allen-buffalo-bills.html Have at it. You don't want to offer an opening salvo? A brief summary or objective analysis? Not even a hot take? Nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 11 hours ago, WhoTom said: What's "click bait" about it? The title is descriptive and the article is researched and well-written. There is no title until one clicks on it. While I agree that this is not a sensationalized, superficial piece of sports reportage, the OP's approach of just dropping a link without comment except to invite the anticipated engagement, is, in fact, clickbaiting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 13 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Kinda weird that that article had to come out now when Josh hasn’t been very accurate... People seem to ignore and make excuses. 12 hours ago, chris heff said: Did you read the whole article? Addresses that in second to last paragraph. ”Allen, though, hasn’t made entirely right decisions so far. After losing to Pittsburgh in Week 1, he suggested he was struggling with his footwork, and despite rebounding to thrash Miami in Week 2, Allen still committed what Pro Football Focus calls turnover-worthy plays — involving poor ball security or passes that have a strong chance of being intercepted — on a career-high 10.8 percent of his snaps.” Funny how when regular people on here say similar things they get negative feedback. Those are some pretty poor evaluations and feedback from the Bills "franchise QB." Yet, some on here are saying Allen is playing better? Go figure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 13 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Paywall. I get that good content costs money to create. I just can't afford 20 news subscriptions. They really need to invent an "EZPass" for browsers that allows you to read stories ala carte and pay as you go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 12 hours ago, nedboy7 said: I dont think the rest of the world is ready to give up on him like some people on here. “I think there’s two kinds of players in this league: guys that get figured out and guys that figure it out,” Allen said in an interview after a recent practice. “And I was always going to be the guy who figured it out.” Allen’s evolution to this lofty moment toppled a principle of football doctrine: that quarterbacks can’t enhance their accuracy. After selecting Allen in 2018, Bills General Manager Brandon Beane was told that he had just taken a tight end. He knew otherwise. At his job interview the year before, after Buffalo’s 16th consecutive season without making the playoffs, Beane noted that the New England Patriots dynasty had been sustained in part by their three fellow A.F.C. East teams, which regularly changed coaches and front offices. Unseating the Patriots, he said, demanded time and patience, and as he scouted quarterback prospects before the draft he resolved to invest both in Allen. On the farmstead where Allen grew up in Firebaugh, Calif., a small community about 40 miles northwest of Fresno, his family has long nurtured cantaloupe, cotton and wheat — and, more recently, pistachios. Much like Allen himself, their trees need years of cultivation before producing a yield. Allen’s progression from imprecise college quarterback to N.F.L. star took an honest assessment of the transformation he required. “When you lie to yourself, the only person you hurt is yourself,” Allen said. “Being completely honest and understanding that there’s things I need to work on, I’m not afraid to reach out and ask somebody for help.” Players can say whatever they want. I don't put much stock in it. Show me on the field. Through two games Allen's has played poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Players can say whatever they want. I don't put much stock in it. Show me on the field. Through two games Allen's has played poorly. Poorly or less than perfect? I think expectations are so high an adequate performance is deemed unacceptable. Some of the greatest QBs of all time have had "bad" stretches. Edited September 24, 2021 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Poorly or less than perfect? I think expectations are so high and adequate performance is deemed unacceptable. Some of the greatest QBs of all time have had "bad" stretches. He didn't play well enough to win in week one. He played well enough to win in week two. And, of course, he can play much better than that, and will need to eventually for this team to reach its goal of a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: Players can say whatever they want. I don't put much stock in it. Show me on the field. Through two games Allen's has played poorly. i was just posting interesting parts of the article. You are free to freak out over a couple of games. Edited September 24, 2021 by nedboy7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: People seem to ignore and make excuses. Funny how when regular people on here say similar things they get negative feedback. Those are some pretty poor evaluations and feedback from the Bills "franchise QB." Yet, some on here are saying Allen is playing better? Go figure... You think they should have pulled the article cause he had a couple poor games? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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