Good Night / Bad Night - Pre-season game 1

[Rochesterfan]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

OK…can’t recall the Boogie one then. All of those questionable calls became a blur after a while. 😉

 

Boogie was the beautiful form tackle on the QB just after delivering the pass, but he landed on the QB with his weight.

 

Very questionable, but based upon how the rule is interpreted- it was probably correct.

 

I thought Obada showed some nice things and struggled at times, but the roughing the passer looked bad.  I saw it live and told my wife just as he picked it off - this is coming back on a RTP call.  What I saw in replay was it looked like the tackle shoved his back in a downward motion which brought him lower into the knee area, but that was bad all around.

 

I also find it funny that Bills fans were worried about getting injured and most of the questionable hits came from our young guys - not the lions.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Boogie was the beautiful form tackle on the QB just after delivering the pass, but he landed on the QB with his weight.

 

Very questionable, but based upon how the rule is interpreted- it was probably correct.

 

I thought Obada showed some nice things and struggled at times, but the roughing the passer looked bad.  I saw it live and told my wife just as he picked it off - this is coming back on a RTP call.  What I saw in replay was it looked like the tackle shoved his back in a downward motion which brought him lower into the knee area, but that was bad all around.

 

I also find it funny that Bills fans were worried about getting injured and most of the questionable hits came from our young guys - not the lions.

I was honestly pleased with how aggressive the Bills were and the sort of penalties they received. I don’t want anyone to play dirty or get injured but I also don’t want guys walking on egg shells the entire preseason…or what’s the point? I was also pleased that there were so FEW of the typical illegal procedure, formation or offside calls that so often dominate a preseason opener. All in all I thought both teams did well there. 

[SCBills]

Good Night:

 

Rousseau

Singletary

Stevenson

Sweeney

Linebacker Depth

 

Bad Night:

 

Hart

McKenzie

Hodgins (can’t stay healthy)

Basham

Secondary Depth

 

 

 

 

 

[eball]

11 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

I also find it funny that Bills fans were worried about getting injured and most of the questionable hits came from our young guys - not the lions.

 

Guilty as charged! Although a Lion did make that awful helmet-to-helmet hit on one of our punt returns.

[Buffalo Boy]

46 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

No but as his arms are longer than many LTs arms - it should be available as needed.

 

The length with a stretch allow him to get a hand to the tackle before the tackle can get his hands on Rousseau and if he is strong enough with that punch - many tackles are going to look just like Sewell there.

    Have we seen O linemen, WRs and DBs work on their hand fighting skills to get off jams at the line?

    It will work sometimes but not always. This is why D linemen need multiple “ Moves” and footwork and feints to set up those moves. It is literally fighting.

[TPS]

S Josh Thomas had a good night

[Bobby Hooks]

I know it won’t happen because of “culture”, but I liked what I saw out of Webb. Enough so that I wouldn’t mind swinging a trade with Trubisky to some qb hungry team. 
 

Maybe get some decent corner action in return? 
 

Nah… too Madden-y. 

[scuba guy]

48 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Are you sure it was Boogie who roughed the passer? I thought it was Obada who got his ankles.

It was both ef took out the qbs ankles when he lunged forward 

And boogie pancakes the qb which you can't land on them anymore

[Brennan Huff]

Bobby Hart was awful. So was Goosebury or whatever his name is

[Da webster guy]

43 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

No it wasn't.  That is how QBs breaks knees and legs.  I would like to see the response if someone did that to Allen.  It's a play that needs out of the game

league has been enforcing those calls for years now.

 

Efe got pushed into the qb but still needs to learn how to avoid the low contact.  Lions qb was lucky, could have been his season right there.

[Wayne Cubed]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

Yea, I’m more so talking a decent depth CB…. Maybe you are right and one good veteran falls into their lap post cuts…. But for whatever odd reasoning they have it doesn’t and didn’t seem like a priority all off-season….. they are ***** if White(hell even Levi) goes down for an extended period of time or during the playoffs.

 

Oh I agree, if White goes down, they are screwed on defense at the CB position. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Re CB depth, you wonder if Josh Norman may be an option. I wasn’t a fan of this, but his knowledge of the defense and the comfort level by the coaches might make him pretty serviceable. 

[wjag]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

OK…can’t recall the Boogie one then. All of those questionable calls became a blur after a while. 😉

Boogie hit him full on and drove the weight of his body into him.  That is what I think they called...  You know, old fashion tackle football.

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Separate plays. They both had a RTP call.

Had Boogie not of landed on him, it would have been considered a great play by him. Also, it seems like he held his ground very well.

 

All in all, I think this Bills DL is by far the deepest unit on the entire team. Seemed like no matter what the rotation was, they did good, real good. I’m also surprised by the depth we have at LB.

 

Ultimately I’m hoping we can add a corner or two after rosters start to get trimmed down. I think this is our weakest unit.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

I won't say good/bad but instead call them concerns.

 

First off one comment on one of the Lions kickers, does he also play LB??  He could.  I wonder on kickoffs, do they tell him kick the ball then go break up the wedge.  From the size of him, think he could. (and yes that has been outlawed)

 

Backup OT is a concern in a number of ways.  Thought Doyle, Brown and particularly Hart looked shaky.  The issue though to me is how do they handle the numbers there.  Assume they keep the two rookies on the 53, do they really want to have to carry 5 OT's on the roster?  I believe Bates can play some tackle, but not sure how well, but still may be better than these three.  Or do they take a chance and cut Doyle and hope to get him onto the PS?  But even then who's the back up that's reliable?

 

Maybe a trade of one of our surplus DL or WR and throw in Doyle for a good back up OT as that also solves the numbers issue?  Or does Doyle get a paper cut and ends up on IR?  Think there may be a couple of these questionable IR moves made to breakup the log jam, or trades.

 

Admittedly without knowing blocking schemes, hard to totally fault one person, but it didn't look very good.

 

I tend to agree with Gunner in that Webb looked too good last night to sneak onto the PS.  What impressed me about him was his poise.  He doesn't have the physical skills, but won't seem to make dumb mental mistakes.  I was kind of surprised too how long they played him.  Could it be the Bills are trying to give the guy a break and show cased him either for a trade or if he is released to give him a good shot at sticking somewhere else?  If we're down to the 3rd string QB, we're in trouble anyway so maybe it doesn't matter.  Or they sign his replacement off the Sept releases.

 

Don't know what TV in Western NY was on, but for me out of town was the NFL network.  As normally done the broadcasters are the home crew.  I get it, it saves some money in meaningless pre-season games.  So if people in Buffalo have to watch the Detroit guys so be it, could always turn on the Bills radio broadcast too.  I'm assuming those were the Bills crew??

 

But you'd think the NFL network would say these games are being broadcast coast to coast, we'll use your local crew, but you have to at least give the line ups for the visiting teams and state who made the play, catch, run, tackle, etc. and pretend you at least know something about them.  In two weeks likely the Bills crew will be broadcasting back to Green Bay, I wonder if they are also this bad with ignoring the visiting team?

 

And then with 15 seconds left at exactly 10:00 right when Bass is lining up for the kick, they had to switch to the Cowboy-Cardinal game as God forbid a Dallas fan might miss the opening kickoff.  They did switch back just in time to see the kick, but then immediately back to Dallas.  If Detroit had ran the kickoff back for a TD, I never would have known.  Normally on Sunday games, showing the ending of a game takes president over the opening kickoff.

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Had Boogie not of landed on him, it would have been considered a great play by him. Also, it seems like he held his ground very well.

 

All in all, I think this Bills DL is by far the deepest unit on the entire team. Seemed like no matter what the rotation was, they did good, real good. I’m also surprised by the depth we have at LB.

 

Ultimately I’m hoping we can add a corner or two after rosters start to get trimmed down. I think this is our weakest unit.

 

To me he was late. The guidance officials are given is one step after the ball is out and Boogie takes two. I know it seems crazy to ask a big man at that speed to slow that quickly which is why they do give leeway if you don't then land on the QBs body but Boogie does. Those are tough calls on the D but that is the way the league wants the refs to call it. 

1 hour ago, TPS said:

S Josh Thomas had a good night

 

He did. Thought Hamlin flashed some too. Those two seem in competition for one spot.

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

To me he was late. The guidance officials are given is one step after the ball is out and Boogie takes two. I know it seems crazy to ask a big man at that speed to slow that quickly which is why they do give leeway if you don't then land on the QBs body but Boogie does. Those are tough calls on the D but that is the way the league wants the refs to call it. 

You're probably right, but as a kid watching real football in the seventies, it's risible what is now considered roughing.

(And yes, I understand that safety concerns are legitimate.)

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

While Webb's overall numbers were not bad and he didn't make the crucial mistake, I thought at least a few times the game was going too fast for him. He made errant throw-a-way's. I like that he is big and athletic like Allen. Turbitzky is probably only here for a year so it would be worth it to keep Webb and develop him as next years #2 hopefully. But you could really see the difference between Allen, a $258 million dollar QB, and Webb last night in how each would have handled the same pressure. Allen is able to move out of it and still find an open receiver. 

 

Got to like Stevenson catching all three of his targets and showing his speed on the deep ball to beat the corner.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Re CB depth, you wonder if Josh Norman may be an option. I wasn’t a fan of this, but his knowledge of the defense and the comfort level by the coaches might make him pretty serviceable. 

I’m wondering what’s the deal with Quinton Dunbar??

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Excellent breakdown of the game. I think you nailed it. It's great that you take the time to do this for all of us.

 

I was a bit surprised by the burst shown by Singletary.  He hit the hole quickly and decisively.  That was missing last season.  Their best running plays were the draws, dives and traps.  When they tried to run the outside stretch plays, they went nowhere.  This o-line is not very good at a zone blocking scheme.  They are best at straight ahead, hat on a hat power blocking.

 

It was clear that the younger db's struggled playing in the complicated Mc'D zone.  There were several apparently blown assignments.  There will be lots of teaching moments for them in the video from the second half.