It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[Plano]

48 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

What if your employer tells you that you have to have an abortion?

I don't think this is even remotely close to the same argument here. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

20 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Ouch! What a devastating retort. 🙄 

A vaccine mandate for health care workers (and I mean those

actually physically present with patients, not someone doing medical billing from home) is like requiring restaurant workers to wash their hands after taking a dump. The consequences of not washing your hands/getting a vaccine don’t just fall on the worker; they fall on the customer too. 
Since when did all these so-called conservatives start arguing that employers don’t have the right to decide who they want working for them? If I owned a restaurant and let the non-hand washer (“I read on the internet that washing your hands too often selects for the survival of Dial soap resistant strains, so I rely on natural immunity”) stay on the job, I’d be sued as soon as the first customer gets e-coli. 
(I almost expect that someone will respond: but what if you were trying to make me wipe my butt with an experimental and unproven anti-bacterial toilet

paper? That’s how absurd the anti-Vaxxers are getting)

I don't have a problem with an employer enacting lawful mandates.  I do have a problem with authoritarian overreach and selective enforcement, where an administration chooses to thread the needle on a mandate supposedly designed to protect the public from near certain doom. 

 

Using your example above, and thoughts previously shared on the subject, I'd think you would be no happier finding chunks of fecal matter in your tuna salad simply because you ate at an independent sole proprietor establishment than you would if you found it in your endless soup bowl at the Olive Garden.  

 

I can't quite figure why old Joe didn't require vax4all, it's almost like he's hedging bets to protect himself politically, or this admin does not see the threat as clearly as others do. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I don't have a problem with an employer enacting lawful mandates.  I do have a problem with authoritarian overreach and selective enforcement, where an administration chooses to thread the needle on a mandate supposedly designed to protect the public from near certain doom. 

 

Using your example above, and thoughts previously shared on the subject, I'd think you would be no happier finding chunks of fecal matter in your tuna salad simply because you ate at an independent sole proprietor establishment than you would if you found it in your endless soup bowl at the Olive Garden.  

 

I can't quite figure why old Joe didn't require vax4all, it's almost like he's hedging bets to protect himself politically, or this admin does not see the threat as clearly as others do. 

 

 

Why hasn’t he? Because he doesn’t have the authority to and he knows it. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Why hasn’t he? Because he doesn’t have the authority to and he knows it. 

I believe he's pulled up short because he doesn't want to agitate a large part of his voting bloc.  The dem leadership has been politicizing this since last year when they actively encouraged behavior that lead to the spread of COVID.  

 

I agree on the authority issue as well, btw, but these people are slippery fish.  Yesterday, Biden and his wife Dr. Jill Biden were out dining maskless like it was 2019, in violation of rules, regs and common sense as he lays it out.    He's certainly in the high risk category for significant challenges if he becomes infected, yet, he's out there commando.  I suppose one must wonder on any given day if he even remembers the Covid problem, but yeesh. 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I believe he's pulled up short because he doesn't want to agitate a large part of his voting bloc.  The dem leadership has been politicizing this since last year when they actively encouraged behavior that lead to the spread of COVID.  

 

I agree on the authority issue as well, btw, but these people are slippery fish.  Yesterday, Biden and his wife Dr. Jill Biden were out dining maskless like it was 2019, in violation of rules, regs and common sense as he lays it out.    He's certainly in the high risk category for significant challenges if he becomes infected, yet, he's out there commando.  I suppose one must wonder on any given day if he even remembers the Covid problem, but yeesh. 

 

 

You're reading too much into it. The single largest voting block he has is those who work in the Government Sector...especially teachers.  He hasn't mandated it because he can't and he knows he can't.  That's why the first thing he did was to mandate masks in the Post Office....because THAT he does control.  After that, hes done NOTHING.  Allof their pre-election bluster was nothing more than political hot air.  

[Bockeye]

8 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Congratulations.  This article is an argument for mandated vaccination of your entire population.  Did you mean it that way or are you just ignorant?

Exactly - you cannot vax the entire population, esp with experimental vaccines that are leaky (or with the unknowns of this vaccine on toddlers and young population).  We are potentially creating a deadlier virus. We should have focused the vaccines and preventative measures on the high risk population. 
 

Polio mutates faster than HIV or Covid, yet the vaccine is far more durable.  Why is that? 
 

Because the polio vaccine is not leaky.https://www.healthline.com/health-news/leaky-vaccines-can-produce-stronger-versions-of-viruses-072715#Preventing-More-Virulent-Virus-Strains

 

Keep in mind Sinopharm and Sinovac mimic the polio vaccine approach yet are much less successful than the mRNA vaccines.

I’m not familiar with sinophram or Sinovac and will have to read up on them  

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You're reading too much into it. The single largest voting block he has is those who work in the Government Sector...especially teachers.  He hasn't mandated it because he can't and he knows he can't.  That's why the first thing he did was to mandate masks in the Post Office....because THAT he does control.  After that, hes done NOTHING.  Allof their pre-election bluster was nothing more than political hot air.  

I'll consider.  

[Irv]

45 minutes ago, Plano said:

I don't think this is even remotely close to the same argument here. 

 

OK - your employer tells you that you are mandated to give blood.  

[Plano]

6 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

OK - your employer tells you that you are mandated to give blood.  

Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated.  

[Beach]

10 minutes ago, Plano said:

Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated.  

thank you!  im counting on all of yall to get this done so i dont have to!!!!!

[Irv]

33 minutes ago, Plano said:

Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated.  

 

No. Not asked to give blood.  Manadated to give blood or terminated.  You felt my last post was too out there.  So what is it?    

[JaCrispy]

37 minutes ago, Plano said:

Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated.  

And that’s the beauty of choice...good for you...👍

[Boatdrinks]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Democrats hate women.  

 

 

 

Veteran reporter Allison Williams has decided to leave ESPN rather than comply with the network's mandate that all employees be vaccinated against COVID-19.

 

Williams announced last month that for the first time in 15 years, she would not be on the sidelines during ESPN's college football broadcasts because she had declined the vaccine. (The network made vaccinations mandatory for staffers at live events at the beginning of August, then expanded it to all employees this month.)

 

Then on Friday, she posted a five-minute video on Instagram to explain her decision, saying she is "so morally and ethically not aligned with this" as she and her husband are looking to have another child.

 

Williams cited anecdotal evidence of women having health issues after getting the vaccine as one of the reasons she is choosing not to follow the company mandate.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/media/2021/10/17/allison-williams-leaving-espn-over-mandatory-vaccination-policy/8498841002/

 

 

 

 

Rightfully fearful that the novel vaccine could impact her cycle, fertility, and pregnancy.........nope.   

 

Take the shot or you're fired.  

ESPN probably thinks she should just become a trans - manwhatever. Lefties have tweeted that they can get pregnant too, with none of that other stuff that plain old women have to go through. 

[Big Blitz]

The NFL is showing you despite 90 plus percent vaccination, mitigation doesn't stop.  And we are NEVER getting to 90% and we are NEVER getting to quote Emperor Fauci "really low numbers."

 

What idiots anyone left supporting this crap are.  Get the vaccine or not.  Done.  Nothing left to do here.  

 

 

But the NFL and NBA are showing you your "fully vaccinated" future.

 

Protocols will not stop.

 

You'll be masked.  

 

Sent home to isolate. 

 

So will your "close contacts." 

 

Welcome to your bio medical police state future.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Plano said:

Does it help others? Great, glad to do it. I enjoy helping my community. That's why I got vaccinated.  

It’s highly likely that if you were born and raised in this country, and your ancestors a couple generations back were as well, that someone in your family tree fought and suffered against this sort of employer overreach.   
 

It doesn’t matter if the employer action is a net positive for the community.  It starts with blood letting and next  thing you know the local Target is having obligatory “Toss off Tuesday” to support the local sperm bank, and carving 10% off your gross to send over to Planned Parenthood. 

[SoCal Deek]

17 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It’s highly likely that if you were born and raised in this country, and your ancestors a couple generations back were as well, that someone in your family tree fought and suffered against this sort of employer overreach.   
 

It doesn’t matter if the employer action is a net positive for the community.  It starts with blood letting and next  thing you know the local Target is having obligatory “Toss off Tuesday” to support the local sperm bank, and carving 10% off your gross to send over to Planned Parenthood. 

What you’re describing is the life of millions of teachers who watch while a portion of their monthly paycheck is syphoned off to support every left wing woke cause you can imagine, and they get ZERO say in it.

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

 

No. Not asked to give blood.  Manadated to give blood or terminated.  You felt my last post was too out there.  So what is it?    

Also way off the mark. If I’m a health care worker my decision not to give blood doesn’t cause harm to my co-workers or the public I interact with. 
It may fail to alleviate harm to some person somewhere who needs a transfusion, but my decision doesn’t put others at risk. 
My example - the old favorite “Employees Must Wash Hands Before Returning to Work” posted above the bathroom sink is pretty much on point. And I haven’t seen any argument to the contrary ….

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

30 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What you’re describing is the life of millions of teachers who watch while a portion of their monthly paycheck is syphoned off to support every left wing woke cause you can imagine, and they get ZERO say in it.

I disagree in this case.  Union dues are just that, dues to the collective representing your interest exclusively.    I think that’s a far cry from “Give blood or you’re fired.”. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I disagree in this case.  Union dues are just that, dues to the collective representing your interest exclusively.    I think that’s a far cry from “Give blood or you’re fired.”. 

You’re clearly not a member of the teacher’s Union. 

[Sundancer]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

The NFL is showing you despite 90 plus percent vaccination, mitigation doesn't stop.  And we are NEVER getting to 90% and we are NEVER getting to quote Emperor Fauci "really low numbers."

 

What idiots anyone left supporting this crap are.  Get the vaccine or not.  Done.  Nothing left to do here.  

 

 

But the NFL and NBA are showing you your "fully vaccinated" future.

 

Protocols will not stop.

 

You'll be masked.  

 

Sent home to isolate. 

 

So will your "close contacts." 

 

Welcome to your bio medical police state future.  

 

NFL seems to be doing fine. Occasional case and nothing major. Vaccines working well. 

[Orlando Tim]

5 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Also way off the mark. If I’m a health care worker my decision not to give blood doesn’t cause harm to my co-workers or the public I interact with. 
It may fail to alleviate harm to some person somewhere who needs a transfusion, but my decision doesn’t put others at risk. 
My example - the old favorite “Employees Must Wash Hands Before Returning to Work” posted above the bathroom sink is pretty much on point. And I haven’t seen any argument to the contrary ….

So how is my not being vaccinated harmful to people if I already had Covid? Also we are 100%certain that the vaccine does not stop you from getting it or spreading it, simply makes you less likely to be as ill.

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ALF]

Five times as many police officers have died from Covid-19 as from gunfire since start of pandemic

 

He was one of at least 231 officers who died of Covid-19 this year, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP).

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html

[Sundancer]

3 hours ago, ALF said:

Five times as many police officers have died from Covid-19 as from gunfire since start of pandemic

 

He was one of at least 231 officers who died of Covid-19 this year, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP).

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html

 

Irv hits the laugh emoji. 

 

Way to class up the place guys. 

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, ALF said:

Five times as many police officers have died from Covid-19 as from gunfire since start of pandemic

 

He was one of at least 231 officers who died of Covid-19 this year, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP).

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html

231 of almost 700,000 officers, or around 160 annually of 700,000. How dare they think that the risk of less than .01% is a reasonable risk!!!

[ALF]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

231 of almost 700,000 officers, or around 160 annually of 700,000. How dare they think that the risk of less than .01% is a reasonable risk!!!

 

All unnecessary just for 2021 so far,  there were 245 law enforcement deaths from Covid-19 in 2020, according to ODMP. Those lives may not matter to you or Irv I guess.

Edited October 20, 2021 by ALF

[Irv]

On 10/18/2021 at 5:59 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

Also way off the mark. If I’m a health care worker my decision not to give blood doesn’t cause harm to my co-workers or the public I interact with. 
It may fail to alleviate harm to some person somewhere who needs a transfusion, but my decision doesn’t put others at risk. 
My example - the old favorite “Employees Must Wash Hands Before Returning to Work” posted above the bathroom sink is pretty much on point. And I haven’t seen any argument to the contrary ….

 

You're MANDATED to give blood or terminated.  Not ASKED.  MANDATED.  Do you comply?  I obviously shut down @Plano with that simple question.  What would you do?   It's  needle in you arm.  No big deal.  You're decision to not give blood will cause harm to to others due to a lack of blood supply.  Just like you said with the vaccine.   Comply?   That sound you hear is me dropping the mic.  

 

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Edited October 20, 2021 by Irv

[Orlando Tim]

10 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

All unnecessary just for 2021 so far,  there were 245 law enforcement deaths from Covid-19 in 2020, according to ODMP. Those lives may not matter to you or Irv I guess.

Are you actually so dishonest, or stupid, that you believe the vaccine saves all lives? Or are you just speaking in hyperbole? 

[ALF]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Are you actually so dishonest, or stupid, that you believe the vaccine saves all lives? Or are you just speaking in hyperbole? 

 

So Blue Lives don't matter to you , got it

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, ALF said:

Five times as many police officers have died from Covid-19 as from gunfire since start of pandemic

 

He was one of at least 231 officers who died of Covid-19 this year, according to the Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP).

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html

What's the point of this article?  You pry have a similar ratio for every profession.  You're more likely to be killed as a construction worker than a cop.  What's their ratio?

[ALF]

18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

What's the point of this article?  You pry have a similar ratio for every profession.  You're more likely to be killed as a construction worker than a cop.  What's their ratio?

 

The point is it's better to take the vaccine then not.

[Doc Brown]

30 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

The point is it's better to take the vaccine then not.

Right but you can just point to statistics of the general population to prove that instead of focusing on one profession.

[ALF]

36 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Right but you can just point to statistics of the general population to prove that instead of focusing on one profession.

 

728,000 deaths in the US so far is a real tragedy that should be less with vaccines . The stress and cost to hospitals should be less if people were vaccinated.

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, ALF said:

 

728,000 deaths in the US so far is a real tragedy that should be less with vaccines . The stress and cost to hospitals should be less if people were vaccinated.

I'm not disagreeing with you.  I just find that article pointless.  BTW, you can extend that line of thinking to just about anything (drunk driving, poor diet, avoiding doctor checkups, watching Josh Allen play football every weekend, etc.).

[JaCrispy]

6 hours ago, Irv said:

 

You're MANDATED to give blood or terminated.  Not ASKED.  MANDATED.  Do you comply?  I obviously shut down @Plano with that simple question.  What would you do?   It's  needle in you arm.  No big deal.  You're decision to not give blood will cause harm to to others due to a lack of blood supply.  Just like you said with the vaccine.   Comply?   That sound you hear is me dropping the mic.  

 

What

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Or how about this one...you’re mandated to share your home with drug addicted homeless people to help get them off the streets...if you don’t, it’s because you don’t care about other people...do you comply or do you risk the state taking your house all together...

 

Where does it end? Answer: it doesn’t, because people continue to comply...

 

Remember, doctors and hospitals were monetarily incentivized to inflate the data to make the virus seem worse than it was- to justify state mandates...That’s why, when there are number corrections, they’re always subtracting from the original totals...😉

 

Joe Rogan proved the media has been lying to us when he got CNN’s Sanje Gupta to admit as much...”They shouldn’t have said that..” stated Gupta, about his own network...unvaccinated kids have a hire rate of survival than a middle aged vaccinated man, and yet they are trying to force the vaccine on kids...🤣

 

It’s not about the virus!!! Wake up, people...stop being such soft sheep...

Edited October 20, 2021 by JaCrispy

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Or how about this one...you’re mandated to share your home with drug addicted homeless people to help get them off the streets...if you don’t, it’s because you don’t care about other people...do you comply or do you risk the state taking your house all together...

 

Where does it end? Answer: it doesn’t, because people continue to comply...

 

Remember, doctors and hospitals were monetarily incentivized to inflate the data to make the virus seem worse than it was- to justify state mandates...That’s why, when there are number corrections, they’re always subtracting from the original totals...😉

 

Joe Rogan proved the media has been lying to us when he got CNN’s Sanje Gupta to admit as much...”They shouldn’t have said that..” stated Gupta, about his own network...unvaccinated kids have a hire rate of survival than a middle aged vaccinated man, and yet they are trying to force the vaccine on kids...🤣

 

It’s not about the virus!!! Wake up, people...stop being such soft sheep...

 

 

I'd like to understand from the mandate advocates here what checks and balances exist after all this that prevents the government and their corporate accomplishes from forcing you to do or not do anything and everything they want?  Because its not the process of democracy.  Its not the courts,  Its not liberal or conservative leaders running Federal, State, or local governments.  Its not your employer or your fellow employees.  And it doesn't appear that the Constitution or Bill of Rights is in effect here either.  So what's to stop them from mandating anything?  Who is going to stop them if it isn't the people themselves?  Maybe the Governor doesn't like Blue shirts.  Or large SUV's.  It could be anything.  Its not about resisting the vaccine.  Its about defending personal choice and freedoms.  Its not about protecting you from the unwashed plebs that make a personal choice.  And if you really believe the vaccine protects you then why are you afraid of them?  If you believe the "safe and effective" mantra then they can't harm you. 

 

Its about the security state and gaining the voluntary compliance of the public to exchange their rights and freedoms for safety and security.  The problem is the exchange is not equitable.  The freedoms surrendered are real.  But the safety and security are an illusion.  Because the security state has no interests in your personal safety or security.  Its interest is in protecting itself and acquiring more power and control at your expense.  Why so many are blind to this is a testament to the power they already hold. 

This control is even reflected in propaganda communicated through popular culture network TV shows depicting the gallant and heroic members of organizations like the FBI risking life and limb to save the public from all kinds of threats real and imaged on a weekly basis.  In reality it borders on comedy and the truth is something entirely different.  When I see the network promos during the football games on Sunday I LMAO at it.  Its all utterly ridiculous.      

[John Adams]

4 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Or how about this one...you’re mandated to share your home with drug addicted homeless people to help get them off the streets...if you don’t, it’s because you don’t care about other people...do you comply or do you risk the state taking your house all together...

 

Where does it end? Answer: it doesn’t, because people continue to comply...

 

Remember, doctors and hospitals were monetarily incentivized to inflate the data to make the virus seem worse than it was- to justify state mandates...That’s why, when there are number corrections, they’re always subtracting from the original totals...😉

 

Joe Rogan proved the media has been lying to us when he got CNN’s Sanje Gupta to admit as much...”They shouldn’t have said that..” stated Gupta, about his own network...unvaccinated kids have a hire rate of survival than a middle aged vaccinated man, and yet they are trying to force the vaccine on kids...🤣

 

It’s not about the virus!!! Wake up, people...stop being such soft sheep...

It ends with the global cabal taking over everything!!! This was decided at Bilderberg 2019 on Epstein’s island!!! 

[SoCal Deek]

8 hours ago, ALF said:

 

The point is it's better to take the vaccine then not.

There are dozens and dozens of pages on this topic and you and a few others still don’t get it. Of course it’s better to take the vaccine. It’s better to do, or not do, a whole lot of things in America. People are standing up for freedom of choice here! (PS: I’m vaccinated.)