It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[Irv]

Why is it that Democrats scream that "it's my body, my choice" when it comes to abortion but mandate vaccines?  Hypocrites. 

 

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[OrangeBills]

I love it...21 months into this, the moronic media and gov't are still touting that "1,500 people died of COVID yesterday"...

 

No you morons, actually 7,600 people died yesterday, on average, the majority of whom are old and die of such things as a matter of course.

 

More convinced than ever there is some Leftist Global Cabal over-seeing all this, it's working out too smoothly for their desired outcomes.

 

Soon we will see the rationing and price caps and lines and "passes" that tend to accompany Socialist Authoritarian shifts 

[LeviF]

10 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Well, our hospitals/hospital capacity isn't controlled at the federal level.  I can tell you at my hospital, during Covid surges, they allocate more beds/floors to Covid patients and push off whatever surgical procedures they can to enable the reallocations. 

 

Since we mostly aren't a socialized medicine country, temporary beds would be the way to go (like USNS Comfort).  Hospitals aren't going to commit to excess capacity long-term as it will incur financial losses after Covid reaches an endemic equilibrium.

There isn’t much that’s supposed to be controlled at the federal level but are we really in here pretending that’s how it actually works?

 

What happened to the Comfort when it pulled into NYC, again?

[GaryPinC]

17 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Something's I heard today from a  medical historian is that part of  the reason for this not dying out is that we shut things down so far that the disease had too much time to adapt. Basically if we had simply lived our normal lives we would have had more illness in 2020 but because of herd immunity much less in 2021 and beyond. I have not thought much about it but did think it was interesting.

Well, your medical historian  has an interesting and mostly incorrect argument.  They have a good point that natural immunity will have an important role in mitigating this virus.  Certainly states/areas with less natural immunity will be interesting to watch in future outbreaks.  You have to wonder if low natural immunity influenced the current outbreak in Washington and Oregon. 

 

But we would have many more deaths and morbidity if we hadn't taken preventative measures.

 

You can look to  Russia, pessimistic philosophy and distrustful of their government, the populace mostly chooses to tough it out.  Vaccinations were under 20% for the longest time and have finally climbed over 30%.  Check out their graphs:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-cases-daily

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-deaths-daily

 

No return to baseline after surges and escalating baselines and surges.  Hopefully this data speaks for itself.

 

Go look at how isolation and masking affected the flu last year.  Experts think some substrains died out completely.  Will we have record numbers this year?  We'll see.

 

But Covid will not die out.  It is here to stay, it just needs to be better controlled and lower circulating.  The more it circulates the more it mutates.  Lockdowns allowed medicine and science time to understand/adapt to Covid, masking/distancing helped slow the spread to mostly manageable levels.  Now we need to lower its circulation through vaccination, especially in the rest of the world.  

 

The interesting thing will be how China adapts, given its most prevalent vaccines are not very good and with no natural populace immunity.  We are a global community and I suspect they will have a price to be paid in the future.

[GaryPinC]

12 minutes ago, LeviF said:

There isn’t much that’s supposed to be controlled at the federal level but are we really in here pretending that’s how it actually works?

 

What happened to the Comfort when it pulled into NYC, again?

Pretending?  Feds don't run the hospitals, my hospital is Cuyahoga County facility (Cleveland) that functions mostly independently with President and executive committee overseen by a County Commission.  Feds certainly don't run the Cleveland Clinic or anything other than the VAs.   Feds can influence through $, but then they would have to financially support increases in capacity.  I don't think either side wants that.  

 

I know exactly what happened to the Comfort.  Do you know why they didn't use it?  Because I don't for sure.  I feel Cuomo is partly to blame with his ######ed nursing home policy, but there are considerable logistics to transporting patients to hospital ships and perhaps given the nature of the emergency they couldn't put a plan or adequate personnel together fast enough?

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, GaryPinC said:

Pretending?  Feds don't run the hospitals, my hospital is Cuyahoga County facility (Cleveland) that functions mostly independently with President and executive committee overseen by a County Commission.  Feds certainly don't run the Cleveland Clinic or anything other than the VAs.   Feds can influence through $, but then they would have to financially support increases in capacity.  I don't think either side wants that.  

 

I know exactly what happened to the Comfort.  Do you know why they didn't use it?  Because I don't for sure.  I feel Cuomo is partly to blame with his ######ed nursing home policy, but there are considerable logistics to transporting patients to hospital ships and perhaps given the nature of the emergency they couldn't put a plan or adequate personnel together fast enough?

 

bruh if you don't think the G could set up temp hospitals in a matter of hours idk what to tell you.

 

It's a combination of things, but it may be related to the reason why the ventilators Cuomo stole from upstate hospitals never got used downstate.

[BillStime]

GQP = sick pucks

 

 

[GaryPinC]

Just now, LeviF said:

 

bruh if you don't think the G could set up temp hospitals in a matter of hours idk what to tell you.

 

It's a combination of things, but it may be related to the reason why the ventilators Cuomo stole from upstate hospitals never got used downstate.

Bruh, how long would it take the government to mobilize all the proper equipment and personnel, identify suitable space and parking/transportation logistics, get everything down there and get it set up, functional and effective?  Why do you think they choose to instead send the hospital ships?

 

Or would it be better just to bounce patients (especially non-covids) to outlying hospitals and work within the greater system?

 

I mean, I would like to think there's a plans for makeshift military hospitals but I don't have much faith it could be executed well in major cities.

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

20 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

Well, your medical historian  has an interesting and mostly incorrect argument.  They have a good point that natural immunity will have an important role in mitigating this virus.  Certainly states/areas with less natural immunity will be interesting to watch in future outbreaks.  You have to wonder if low natural immunity influenced the current outbreak in Washington and Oregon. 

 

But we would have many more deaths and morbidity if we hadn't taken preventative measures.

 

You can look to  Russia, pessimistic philosophy and distrustful of their government, the populace mostly chooses to tough it out.  Vaccinations were under 20% for the longest time and have finally climbed over 30%.  Check out their graphs:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-cases-daily

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-deaths-daily

 

No return to baseline after surges and escalating baselines and surges.  Hopefully this data speaks for itself.

 

Go look at how isolation and masking affected the flu last year.  Experts think some substrains died out completely.  Will we have record numbers this year?  We'll see.

 

But Covid will not die out.  It is here to stay, it just needs to be better controlled and lower circulating.  The more it circulates the more it mutates.  Lockdowns allowed medicine and science time to understand/adapt to Covid, masking/distancing helped slow the spread to mostly manageable levels.  Now we need to lower its circulation through vaccination, especially in the rest of the world.  

 

The interesting thing will be how China adapts, given its most prevalent vaccines are not very good and with no natural populace immunity.  We are a global community and I suspect they will have a price to be paid in the future.

Still the death rate didn't really put a dent in the human population.  Life will go on as its done in pandemics and outbreaks in the past.  And while the media and the government are still presenting this as a second Black Death almost all the deaths were in people that were sick with other conditions or very old.  So nature culling the herd more or less.  Like the slowest or the sick Bison gets caught by the wolves.

What I don't understand is how little lifestyle adjustment people in general have made in response to the pandemic.  If every there was a signal to lose a some excess weight, get some moderate exercise, stop smoking and drinking, eat a little healthier, and take your vitamins this is it.  Yet I don't see too much behavior modification out there.  So if you're obese, an out of shape smoker, your diet consists of wings, fries, and beer, with high blood sugar, and cholesterol, don't blame the un-vaccinated.  Blame yourself.   

[Backintheday544]

1 hour ago, Irv said:

Why is it that Democrats scream that "it's my body, my choice" when it comes to abortion but mandate vaccines?  Hypocrites. 

 

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Why do Republicans scream “it’s my body, my choice” when it comes to vaccine mandates and not abortion. Hypocrites.

 

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[B-Man]

 

THE LEFT’S WAR ON SCIENCE: 

 

Covid, lockdown and the retreat of scientific debate. 

 

Unable to defend the results of their disastrous policies, lockdown proponents resort to their familiar tactic of trying to smear the Great Barrington scientists who got it right. And the British Medical Journal disgraces itself by publishing the leftist hacks’ substance-free, error-filled attack.

 

 

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/covid-lockdown-and-the-retreat-of-scientific-debate#

 

 

https://www.city-journal.org/panic-pandemic

 

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

Why do Republicans scream “it’s my body, my choice” when it comes to vaccine mandates and not abortion. Hypocrites.

 

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Because when it comes to abortion there is a second body of a child involved. The fact that did not occur to you makes you seem unable to see anything from any other angle besides the lowest common viewpoint.

[Backintheday544]

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

Because when it comes to abortion there is a second body of a child involved. The fact that did not occur to you makes you seem unable to see anything from any other angle besides the lowest common viewpoint.

A bunch of cells do not make a body.

 

With the vaccine not just a second body is involved but the bodies of everyone you are around each day.

 

How can you say a second body isn’t involved with the vaccine unless you live in a basement in your parents house and never come out to interact with society….. ohhh got ya man. 

[Orlando Tim]

33 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

A bunch of cells do not make a body.

 

With the vaccine not just a second body is involved but the bodies of everyone you are around each day.

 

How can you say a second body isn’t involved with the vaccine unless you live in a basement in your parents house and never come out to interact with society….. ohhh got ya man. 

Simple questions- when does it become a body? 

[Backintheday544]

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

Simple questions- when does it become a body? 

It’s not a simple question and it’s why there’s issues with it. If you think it’s a simple question then you don’t understand the issue.

[Beach]

but can we mandate the vax to the body/clump of cells until we define that?

[B-Man]

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

47 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said:

It’s not a simple question and it’s why there’s issues with it. If you think it’s a simple question then you don’t understand the issue.

But you just simplified it a couple lines up.  I’m assuming you’re an “abortion up to birth” supporter?  Here’s what you posted previously: 

 

6 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

Why do Republicans scream “it’s my body, my choice” when it comes to vaccine mandates and not abortion. Hypocrites.

 

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[BillStime]

ETTD

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Backintheday544 said:

It’s not a simple question and it’s why there’s issues with it. If you think it’s a simple question then you don’t understand the issue.

You were the one mocking others, not me. You asked a stupid question that you yourself just admitted you understand the answer.

[SoCal Deek]

2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said:

A bunch of cells do not make a body.

 

Actually…YES THEY DO!

 

What do you subscribe to, The Big Bang Theory? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

What an interesting dichotomy of approach by educators and the police for this young lady who refuses to wear a glorified Kleenex over her face and mouth, v the folks in Loudon County, Virginia.  In Virginia, a young lady has accused another student of a violent sexual assault in a bathroom at the school, the school has been accused of trying to cover up the crime, and the school board had her father dragged out of a meeting for daring to raise the issue in a public forum.  Then, the diocese school administrators chose to return the alleged rapist accused student to another parish school and apparently kept the accusations from parishioners parents and potential targets school children at risk, and reportedly, the accused student may have sexually assaulted yet another student at the new parish school. 

 

To get ahead of you on this one @B-Man, back to the topic:

 

Here's a couple clips of Joe Rogan interviewing Dr. Sanjay Gupta about corona virus, young people, their parents and relative risk.  I've heard Rogan on air previously, but I liked his approach here to get appropriate feedback from Dr. G. 

 

The first clip deals with youngster and their parents. 

 

The second clip deals with the very reason some people feel there are nefarious actors about with Gain Of Function research, the specific actions of key players, the WHO and others and fealty to China.   It certainly bolsters the suggestion by the many anti-vax-shamers to 'shut up, get in line, and don't worry about nothin!'. 

 

 https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/joe-rogan-interviews-cnn-dr-sanjay-gupta-this-is-fantastic-tv/

 

 

[JaCrispy]

37 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

What an interesting dichotomy of approach by educators and the police for this young lady who refuses to wear a glorified Kleenex over her face and mouth, v the folks in Loudon County, Virginia.  In Virginia, a young lady has accused another student of a violent sexual assault in a bathroom at the school, the school has been accused of trying to cover up the crime, and the school board had her father dragged out of a meeting for daring to raise the issue in a public forum.  Then, the diocese school administrators chose to return the alleged rapist accused student to another parish school and apparently kept the accusations from parishioners parents and potential targets school children at risk, and reportedly, the accused student may have sexually assaulted yet another student at the new parish school. 

 

To get ahead of you on this one @B-Man, back to the topic:

 

Here's a couple clips of Joe Rogan interviewing Dr. Sanjay Gupta about corona virus, young people, their parents and relative risk.  I've heard Rogan on air previously, but I liked his approach here to get appropriate feedback from Dr. G. 

 

The first clip deals with youngster and their parents. 

 

The second clip deals with the very reason some people feel there are nefarious actors about with Gain Of Function research, the specific actions of key players, the WHO and others and fealty to China.   It certainly bolsters the suggestion by the many anti-vax-shamers to 'shut up, get in line, and don't worry about nothin!'. 

 

 https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/joe-rogan-interviews-cnn-dr-sanjay-gupta-this-is-fantastic-tv/

 

 

Good stuff, Leh-nerd 👍

[Backintheday544]

50 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Actually…YES THEY DO!

 

What do you subscribe to, The Big Bang Theory? 

Sheldon Is awesome.

[Big Blitz]

During an interview with Washington, D.C.'s ABC 7 News on Oct. 12, Fauci discussed and answered viewer questions about the pandemic, natural immunity, and vaccinations. According to Fauci, when looking at decreasing COVID numbers, we should be seeing it in terms of ending the pandemic, not of getting rid of the virus for good.

 

"I don't think we're going to eradicate this virus, at least certainly not in the near future," he explained. According to Fauci, the U.S. has only really ever eradicated one important virus: smallpox.

 

Despite positive declining numbers, there is still a ways to go with vaccinations. "I believe if you look at it right now, if you look at the cases, hospitalizations, and death, they're all on a downward slope," Fauci said. "We had surges that came down but then came back up again. So although we were very thinking positively that we turned the corner and are coming down, we still have about 65 to 68 million people in the country who are eligible to be vaccinated and who have not been vaccinated."

 

Fauci added, "There will always be cases that are coming up and down. I don't think we're going to all of a sudden see a disappearance of it. But we've got to get it out of the pandemic, or epidemic, phase for us. If we do that, we'll be able to do so many things that really are just, like, normal. But it's up to us."

 

https://bestlifeonline.com/fauci-ending-pandemic-news/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

[Big Blitz]

Oh?

 

 

Why Many Black Americans Changed Their Minds About Covid Shots

 

https://nyti.ms/3oWEwqY

 

 

 

These must be the Trump hold outs finally getting on board the CCP Train

[Orlando Tim]

10 hours ago, GaryPinC said:

Well, your medical historian  has an interesting and mostly incorrect argument.  They have a good point that natural immunity will have an important role in mitigating this virus.  Certainly states/areas with less natural immunity will be interesting to watch in future outbreaks.  You have to wonder if low natural immunity influenced the current outbreak in Washington and Oregon. 

 

But we would have many more deaths and morbidity if we hadn't taken preventative measures.

 

You can look to  Russia, pessimistic philosophy and distrustful of their government, the populace mostly chooses to tough it out.  Vaccinations were under 20% for the longest time and have finally climbed over 30%.  Check out their graphs:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-cases-daily

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/#graph-deaths-daily

 

No return to baseline after surges and escalating baselines and surges.  Hopefully this data speaks for itself.

 

Go look at how isolation and masking affected the flu last year.  Experts think some substrains died out completely.  Will we have record numbers this year?  We'll see.

 

But Covid will not die out.  It is here to stay, it just needs to be better controlled and lower circulating.  The more it circulates the more it mutates.  Lockdowns allowed medicine and science time to understand/adapt to Covid, masking/distancing helped slow the spread to mostly manageable levels.  Now we need to lower its circulation through vaccination, especially in the rest of the world.  

 

The interesting thing will be how China adapts, given its most prevalent vaccines are not very good and with no natural populace immunity.  We are a global community and I suspect they will have a price to be paid in the future.

I find it funny that an idea that is impossible to recreate, and therefore not provable either way, you call incorrect. If Covid ripped through our country in the first 5 months of 2020 and we all had natural immunity before it was able to mutate we very well might be better off now. The simple fact that " you are right" because you say so with literally no historical precedents to reference is interesting.

[Big Blitz]

 

[Backintheday544]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

No one is. He can not get it m. Nothing is stopping him from not getting it.

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Wait a minute - just you WAIT A MINUTE - isn't Kyrie supposed to:

 

Shut Up And Dribble

[Big Blitz]

21 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Wait a minute - just you WAIT A MINUTE - isn't Kyrie supposed to:

 

Shut Up And Dribble

 

Being forced to participate in a science experiment isn't the same thing as opining on divisive cultural issues.

 

Great to see that you've realized your side is a bunch of nazi lunatics and you don't know how to handle it. 

 

On the one hand, you're a communist.  On the other, you've been railing against tyranny and that this would only be 15 days and anyone that said this leads to a biomedical police state complete with vaccine cards and micro chips were all crazy right wing conspiracies.  Oops.

 

No vaccine for the flu, you're fired.  Brought to you by OSHA!  But we just want to slow the spread.....................sure.  

 

 

Your side should be swept into the ash heap of history.  

[BillStime]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Being forced to participate in a science experiment isn't the same thing as opining on divisive cultural issues.

 

Great to see that you've realized your side is a bunch of nazi lunatics and you don't know how to handle it. 

 

On the one hand, you're a communist.  On the other, you've been railing against tyranny and that this would only be 15 days and anyone that said this leads to a biomedical police state complete with vaccine cards and micro chips were all crazy right wing conspiracies.  Oops.

 

No vaccine for the flu, you're fired.  Brought to you by OSHA!  But we just want to slow the spread.....................sure.  

 

 

Your side should be swept into the ash heap of history.  

 

Do you get the flu shot every year?

[billsfan_34]

On 7/20/2021 at 2:41 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

Enough already.

Guess what? It's constitutional, and it has been for a century:

 

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/07/20/federal-judge-upholds-indiana-universitys-covid-19-vaccine-requirement

 

The Indiana University case cites two early 20th century Supreme Court cases upholding vaccine mandates.

 

Vaccine relucatance - or worse, outright anti-vaxxer sentiment - is about to turn an acute, time-limited problem into a never-ending problem. If the percent vaccinated doesn't uptick considerably in the next couple months, look forward to online education, mask mandates, maxed-out emergency rooms, travel bans, all that fun stuff all over again.

 

We've heard you anti-vaxxers. Six months into mass vaccination and your irrational fears have been dispelled. For the obstinate "I won't get vaccinated just because they want us to" -- why they hell did Trump and Melania and family get vaccinated if it's some kind of radical lefty plot?

 

There's still time. Start with simple things: let private businesses require proof of vaccination status. It's their damn business, it's just a continuation of that old "We Reserve Right to Refuse Service to Anyone" sign that I grew up with. If that isn't working, proceed to the next step: vaccine mandates for various higher-risk activities like colleges, in-person high school attendance, air travel. If that isn't working, then go full-on vaccine mandate. 

 

When did we get to be a country of such whiners? It's there, it's free (at least to you, the recipient), it's working, it's the way out of this mess. Do. It. Now.

 

 

I am for vax, but ones choice

[Big Blitz]

11 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Do you get the flu shot every year?

 

 

No.  Never.  

[SoCal Deek]

12 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Do you get the flu shot every year?

Nope….never

[BillStime]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

No.  Never.  

 

Do you get on a plane?

[Sundancer]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Your stupidity knows no bounds. 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

Your stupidity knows no bounds. 

 

 

When you can't win an argument or make a valid point, insult. 

 

Par for the course for you and your fellow sick and deranged leftist friends.  

 

 

Tell me, does it infuriate you to know how badly wrong you've been about all this now approaching year 3 of cowardly hysteria? 

 

But at least the "adults" making the decisions had childhoods.  

 

Year.  3.   But the end and return to some sort of kind of maybe sorta normalcy is so close!   Just need the cases to go down "a good amount."   

 

 

 

Hey did they peak yet?  Can we roll back the clips of Scumdancer calling those projections all wrong as he was rooting for the mandate free state to suffer and die....

 

They peak?  How can that be with maskless school in session!? 

 

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by Big Blitz