It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[JaCrispy]

11 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Anytime people have to resort to the Hitler/Nazi crap it is a clear sign of irrationality.  This is a public health crisis.  Public means just that, it involves all of us.  And it involves benefit vs. risk ratio; the benefits of vaccination both for the individual and the public far outweigh the risks.

 

Other than Vietnam, this is the only time in history our country has faced a national crisis and did not come together.  All because folks like you have twisted a health crisis into some bull crap political game.  So if you want to die, die.  Just don’t take anyone else out with you.

I disagree...clearly no one can compare the murder of millions to anything else...However, in this case, I’m referring to the psychology of what it takes to seduce a population by state run agencies and media censorship, like SCBills said...in that sense, I think it’s perfectly reasonable...

 

After all, it would be very wise for people to study and know about that aspect of coercion, to guard against it in the future...so it’s necessary to see the warning signs and point them out whenever possible imo...

 

And while yes, this is a public health crisis, the man pushing the solution is the very man who helped to creat this crisis in the first place...and the same man who also said, back in a 2012 paper of his, that even if his research caused a pandemic, it was worth it...

 

Let that sink in for a moment...

 

So there is no way I can ever trust these SOB’s...👍

Edited August 17, 2021 by JaCrispy

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I disagree...clearly no one can compare the murder of millions to anything else...However, in this case, I’m referring to the psychology of what it takes to seduce a population by state run agencies and media censorship... like SCBills said...in that sense, I think it’s perfectly reasonable...

 

After all, it would be very wise for people to study and know about that aspect of coercion, to guard against it in the future...so it’s necessary to see the warning signs and point them out whenever possible imo...

 

And while yes, this is a public health crisis, the man pushing the solution is the very man who helped to creat this crisis in the first place...and the same man who also said, back in a 2012 paper of his, that even if his research caused a pandemic, it was worth it...

 

Let that sink in for a moment...

 

So there is no way I can ever trust these SOB’s...👍

Show me that paper.  And for people like you, you’ve been OK with smallpox vaccines, DPT, measles, mumps.  Flu vaccines.  But because the moron previously holding the office of president made this into a political instead of a health crisis, and because you can’t remove your lips from his backside, here we are with people including now ever more kids dying because of the games you want to play.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

Show me that paper.  And for people like you, you’ve been OK with smallpox vaccines, DPT, measles, mumps.  Flu vaccines.  But because the moron previously holding the office of president made this into a political instead of a health crisis, and because you can’t remove your lips from his backside, here we are with people including now ever more kids dying because of the games you want to play.

All of those vaccines have been around for a long time.  
 

The flu vaccine isn’t mandatory to participate in society.  
 

This has been going on for a year and a half now…. Remember 15 days to stop the spread?  The whole goal was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.   What are we doing now?  How long do we keep doing this?  Are you no longer “fully vaccinated” once you hit 8 months and your annual booster is due?   
 

Vaccinated people can still get covid.  Vaccinated people can still transmit covid.  
 

The border is wide open with unvaxxed pouring across, yet that doesn’t worry you as much a me, a random guy in my 30’s, not doing my part to capitulate with the state?

 

A YEAR AND A HALF…. What have these people done to continue warranting your trust?

[oldmanfan]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

All of those vaccines have been around for a long time.  
 

The flu vaccine isn’t mandatory to participate in society.  
 

This has been going on for a year and a half now…. Remember 15 days to stop the spread?  The whole goal was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.   What are we doing now?  How long do we keep doing this?  Are you no longer “fully vaccinated” once you hit 8 months and your annual booster is due?   
 

Vaccinated people can still get covid.  Vaccinated people can still transmit covid.  
 

The border is wide open with unvaxxed pouring across, yet that doesn’t worry you as much a me, a random guy in my 30’s, not doing my part to capitulate with the state?

 

A YEAR AND A HALF…. What have these people done to continue warranting your trust?

Don’t give me the false equivalency crossing the border nonsense.  That’s just stupid deflection.  I have done research for over 40 years.  Worked as a clinical lab director for just as long.  You are either ignorant of how science works or, worse yet, choosing to be ignorant even knowing the facts.

 

Vaccinated people can still carry the virus because it populates the upper respiratory epithelium, and the vaccines don’t generate an IgA response that would get them there.  Even so vaccinated people still have much less chance of transferring virus.  And while vaccinated people can get clinical Covid, the incidence of breakthrough infections are much lower than unvaccinated, and most importantly vaccinated people account for at most 1% of hospitalizations or deaths.

 

Will we eradicate it?  Hopefully but probably not.  Can we keep it from becoming the 2nd or 3rd leading cause of death in our country?  Yes.  How?  Vaccines.  Will we need boosters to do that?  Probably, because the virus mutates and the vaccines will be altered to hit those.

 

People get flu every year and die, because they don’t get the flu vaccine, and because the vaccine is more or less effective each year based on the strain.  And in the worst flu year in the last decade the death rate was 10 fold less than Covid.

 

I could go on but people like you don’t give a rat’s ass.  You’d rather die apparently.  Good luck.

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Show me that paper.  And for people like you, you’ve been OK with smallpox vaccines, DPT, measles, mumps.  Flu vaccines.  But because the moron previously holding the office of president made this into a political instead of a health crisis, and because you can’t remove your lips from his backside, here we are with people including now ever more kids dying because of the games you want to play.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fauci-argued-benefits-of-gain-of-function-research-outweighed-pandemic-risk-in-2012-paper/
 

“In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?

 

Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.

 

Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern.”

 

_____________________________________

 

Next, I agree with you, that Trump may have politicized the virus when he said it would be gone sooner than it would be...he said it was to keep panic down, but it also may have been to mitigate damage to his re-election chances...

 

But, to be fair, it was also Biden and Kamala who were the original vaccine hesitant people when they voiced skepticism about taking the “Trump vaccine” when it was the pharmaceutical companies making it, not Trump...so there was politicization on both sides...

Edited August 17, 2021 by JaCrispy

[Big Blitz]

Israel is your proof the vaccine is waning after 6 months (9 million people live in Israel - 22 million live in Florida - also proof masks are a joke - and I'm beginning to believe these hospitalizations are almost all unvaccinated is a lie - why can't they give an actual number here instead it's out of 100K??):

 

 

Israel records over 8,500 daily COVID infections as serious cases climb to 559

 

 

Monday's tally is highest in current wave; 13 deaths recorded overnight; Labor MK Gilad Kariv hospitalized and getting oxygen at Sheba Medical

 

 

Israel recorded 8,646 new COVID-19 cases on Monday, a new record in the current outbreak of the Delta variant, as an infected Knesset member was hospitalized and getting oxygen therapy.

 

Updated Health Ministry figures Tuesday morning showed there had also been 1,691 additional cases diagnosed since midnight, bringing the total number of cases since the start of the pandemic to 951,226.

 

The number of serious patients grew by 28 since midnight and reached 559, including 89 on ventilators. The ministry said serious cases were much more common among the unvaccinated: Among unvaccinated patients aged 60 and up, there were 154.7 serious cases per 100,000 people compared with 19.8 for their vaccinated counterparts.

 

There were 13 fatalities recorded overnight, bringing the death toll to 6,694.

 

The ministry said 5,855,387 of Israel’s population of 9.3 million had received at least one vaccine dose, 5,421,544 had received at least two, and 1,052,615 had received booster shots, which are only available for those aged 50 and up, healthcare workers and those with immune problems.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-records-over-8500-daily-covid-infections-as-serious-cases-climb-to-559/

[Sundancer]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Close…this is about desensitizing Americans to collectivism. At its core it’s all about fundamentally transforming America.

 

Ooh an Ayn Randian-ism how fun!

 

Collectivism has been entrenched by the Republican and Democratic long before 2021. 

15 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Israel is your proof the vaccine is waning after 6 months (9 million people live in Israel - 22 million live in Florida - also proof masks are a joke - and I'm beginning to believe these hospitalizations are almost all unvaccinated is a lie - why can't they give an actual number here instead it's out of 100K??):

 

 

Israel records over 8,500 daily COVID infections as serious cases climb to 559

 

 

Monday's tally is highest in current wave; 13 deaths recorded overnight; Labor MK Gilad Kariv hospitalized and getting oxygen at Sheba Medical

 

 

Israel recorded 8,646 new COVID-19 cases on Monday, a new record in the current outbreak of the Delta variant, as an infected Knesset member was hospitalized and getting oxygen therapy.

 

Updated Health Ministry figures Tuesday morning showed there had also been 1,691 additional cases diagnosed since midnight, bringing the total number of cases since the start of the pandemic to 951,226.

 

The number of serious patients grew by 28 since midnight and reached 559, including 89 on ventilators. The ministry said serious cases were much more common among the unvaccinated: Among unvaccinated patients aged 60 and up, there were 154.7 serious cases per 100,000 people compared with 19.8 for their vaccinated counterparts.

 

There were 13 fatalities recorded overnight, bringing the death toll to 6,694.

 

The ministry said 5,855,387 of Israel’s population of 9.3 million had received at least one vaccine dose, 5,421,544 had received at least two, and 1,052,615 had received booster shots, which are only available for those aged 50 and up, healthcare workers and those with immune problems.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-records-over-8500-daily-covid-infections-as-serious-cases-climb-to-559/

 

Wait so you're saying that when almost everyone is vaccinated, almost all the breakthrough cases are among the vaccinated? Go figure. 

 

What we are seeing is that older and at risk people (those vaxxed first) have the most likelihood of breakthrough infection. Meanwhile the data everywhere is that vaccines prevent death and hospitalizations at an extremely high rate compared to unvaccinated. There's not a single data point that says otherwise. None, zero, nada. 

 

The VA data shows this in the extreme. I have posted it many times but unlike you, I don't regurgitate it every day. 

 

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

My best friend who I love dearly has just come down with Covid. She has not been a burden to the health system.  She’s been hunkered down at home.  And regarding your stay home and die comment?  I only have two words for you.  ***** you!  
 

 

I'm glad she's doing fine.

 

***** you: Get vaccinated and don't burden the health care system during a pandemic. Or don't burden the health care system during a pandemic and just die at home.  

[Chef Jim]

16 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

I'm glad she's doing fine.

 

***** you: Get vaccinated and don't burden the health care system during a pandemic. Or don't burden the health care system during a pandemic and just die at home.  

 

Being an ####### is a fantastic way to motivate people to do things.   Bravo. 

 

Get your flu shot!  

[Bockeye]

Article just hit The Athletic regarding Dion Dawkins and COVID battle. Hospitalized for 4 days and “could barely move”. 
 

He was TWO WEEKS removed from his second vaccine jab when he got sick. 
 

Line up Beasley and GET YOURS!!!

 

 

(I’m going to take a guess and say that this article will be pulled or amended to show that he didn’t have the vax yet or only the first shot. Does not follow the media narrative.)

Edited August 17, 2021 by Bockeye

[The Frankish Reich]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

All of those vaccines have been around for a long time.  
 

The flu vaccine isn’t mandatory to participate in society.  
 

This has been going on for a year and a half now…. Remember 15 days to stop the spread?  The whole goal was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.   What are we doing now?  How long do we keep doing this?  Are you no longer “fully vaccinated” once you hit 8 months and your annual booster is due?   
 

Vaccinated people can still get covid.  Vaccinated people can still transmit covid.  
 

The border is wide open with unvaxxed pouring across, yet that doesn’t worry you as much a me, a random guy in my 30’s, not doing my part to capitulate with the state?

 

A YEAR AND A HALF…. What have these people done to continue warranting your trust?

WTF is wrong with people? Why keep quoting that "15 days to stop the spread?" It was an idea, kind of a bad compromise idea (if New Zealand is 10 out of 10 on the intensity of anti-COVID measures, we were about a 2 or 3), and IT DIDN'T WORK. We weren't in a position to let hospitals get overwhelmed and watch people die at home or in overflow tent units. And guess what? In certain regions of the country we're now in that position ALL OVER AGAIN because a large chunk of people stubbornly refuse to take the common-sense measure of getting a vaccine.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/17/us/covid-delta-hospitalizations.html

 

It is beyond frustrating that we - in the USA, where we had the foresight, wealth, and good luck to be ready to emerge to a more normal way of life this summer - have to deal with an emerging crisis all over again based on the quasi-scientific (or ridiculously "you can't make me") rantings of the recalcitrant. 

MANDATE VACCINES NOW!

[716er]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

WTF is wrong with people? Why keep quoting that "15 days to stop the spread?" It was an idea, kind of a bad compromise idea (if New Zealand is 10 out of 10 on the intensity of anti-COVID measures, we were about a 2 or 3), and IT DIDN'T WORK. We weren't in a position to let hospitals get overwhelmed and watch people die at home or in overflow tent units. And guess what? In certain regions of the country we're now in that position ALL OVER AGAIN because a large chunk of people stubbornly refuse to take the common-sense measure of getting a vaccine.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/17/us/covid-delta-hospitalizations.html

 

It is beyond frustrating that we - in the USA, where we had the foresight, wealth, and good luck to be ready to emerge to a more normal way of life this summer - have to deal with an emerging crisis all over again based on the quasi-scientific (or ridiculously "you can't make me") rantings of the recalcitrant. 

MANDATE VACCINES NOW!

15 days to slow the spread was the former guys plan and from what I recall they didn’t even get to day 15 before relaxing restrictions 

[B-Man]

8 minutes ago, 716er said:

15 days to slow the spread was the former guys plan and from what I recall they didn’t even get to day 15 before relaxing restrictions 

 

 

You "re-call" poorly.

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

26 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

You "re-call" poorly.

 

 

 

 

 

I believe we're on Day 545.  

[Sundancer]

5 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Interesting that you don't feel the need to back your thoughts up with even one source but I need specific information to back mine up. If your entire argument is that death is the only standard then the vaccines still work but if having Covid is the standard then the vaccines do little after 6 months.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta

 

Words have meaning. Especially in science. You said that vaccines don't work for most people after 6 months. 

 

What that study shows is that vaccine effectiveness for older and compromised people (the initial Israel segment in that study) against disease contraction lessens after 6 months. 

 

One is chicken little overreaction (you). One is accurate. 

[The Frankish Reich]

29 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

You "re-call" poorly.

 

 

 

I don't think so.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21191289/trump-social-distancing-tweets-coronavirus?__c=1

That's just one of dozens of sources that show what was going on in a chaotic White House response.

Look, I'm not saying that here to be critical of the Trump White House in general. I'm saying it because somehow mocking "15 days to slow the spread" has become a favorite meme of the "let it rip like wildfire" crowd. Which strikes me as just plain weird since a lot of those people are Trump supporters, and they are mocking a Trump initiative. 

But I guess logic is a thing of the past in political argument.

[Big Blitz]

It's time to stop living our lives like there is imminent death around every corner and with every stranger you encounter.  

 

It's over.  If you aren't done with this yesterday you never will be.

 

People that don't want the vaccine aren't your problem anymore.

 

The fear porn with the hospitals are flat out lies.  A locality in SW Texas is not Buffalo's problem.  This is beyond absurd.  

Edited August 17, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Sundancer]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

I don't think so.

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21191289/trump-social-distancing-tweets-coronavirus?__c=1

That's just one of dozens of sources that show what was going on in a chaotic White House response.

Look, I'm not saying that here to be critical of the Trump White House in general. I'm saying it because somehow mocking "15 days to slow the spread" has become a favorite meme of the "let it rip like wildfire" crowd. Which strikes me as just plain weird since a lot of those people are Trump supporters, and they are mocking a Trump initiative. 

But I guess logic is a thing of the past in political argument.

 

I don't blame anyone for measures that didn't work in March 2020. NYC couldn't even deal with the bodies piling up by April. No one had any idea where this was headed. It would have been nice if Trump had been level about that but instead he overpromised every week and refused to say, "Our smartest people are on it and we're figuring it out." 

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Sundancer said:

 

I don't blame anyone for measures that didn't work in March 2020. NYC couldn't even deal with the bodies piling up by April. No one had any idea where this was headed. It would have been nice if Trump had been level about that but instead he overpromised every week and refused to say, "Our smartest people are on it and we're figuring it out." 

Oh, I agree with that. And let's not forget that we avoided probably hundreds of thousands of deaths through our COVID mitigation measures. 15 days was, in retrospect, not gonna do it. But as I said: it was a compromise. And it did do a lot of good. Behind the mocking of it is some weird conspiratorial theory whereby Dr Evil thought he could sell Americans on 15 days and then extend that indefinitely, all in service of his goal to eject Trump from office and begin his period of world domination with George Soros or something like that. Really, that's what these people think. 

[Sundancer]

VA data, again, in case @Buffalo Timmy didn't read it the other times I posted it. 

 

 

This clearly shows how vaccines don't work after 6 months for most people. Observe the spike in vaccinated individual cases and deaths at about mid August. 

 

And let's not forget our brethren in England and their giant death spike. 

 

 

 

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

[Sundancer]

6 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure that like me, you're all read up on Scotland's emergency coronavirus powers and what this means and didn't just post this for shock value. 

[Big Blitz]

EXCLUSIVE U.S. plans to extend transport mask mandate through Jan. 18, 2022 sources say

 

 

Last month, the CDC official who signed the mask order, Marty Cetron, told Reuters the transit mask mandates have been effective.

 

"Masks are really powerful and we should make sure they're part of our arsenal," Cetron said. "The truth is that the unvaccinated portion that's out there is extremely vulnerable."

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/exclusive-us-expected-extend-transportation-mask-mandate-through-jan-18-sources-2021-08-17/

 

 

 

 

Year 3 coming up!

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

"Masks are really powerful and we should make sure they're part of our arsenal," Cetron said. "The truth is that the unvaccinated portion that's out there is extremely vulnerable."

 

 

Yup they are vulnerable.  To themselves.   Your body, your choice.  

[B-Man]

49 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

I'm sure that like me, you're all read up on Scotland's emergency coronavirus powers and what this means and didn't just post this for shock value. 

 

 

So posting a Scottish Television tweet about the government extending their powers is not valid if I haven't read as much as you.

 

Okay, good to know.

 

I'm sure that you didn't post your response just for it's snarky value.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Sundancer]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

So posting a Scottish Television tweet about the government extending their powers is not valid if I haven't read as much as you.

 

Okay, good to know.

 

I'm sure that you didn't post your response just for it's snarky value.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you don't know what it is, perhaps you shouldn't be posting about it. 

 

Or you could just spread it without knowing anything about it, as appears to be your MO. 

[Doc Brown]

The media has successfully freaked enough people out with this Delta variant so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this.  Having kids wear masks beats hybrid learning but there's no real science that supports masks in the classroom.

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The media has successfully freaked enough people out with this Delta variant so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this.  Having kids wear masks beats hybrid learning but there's no real science that supports masks in the classroom.

 

Disgusting… people sacrificing our kids development because grown ups are scared of a virus that they can get vaccinated against. 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

The media has successfully freaked enough people out with this Delta variant so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this.  Having kids wear masks beats hybrid learning but there's no real science that supports masks in the classroom.

 

I would agree if it were not the delta variant, but it is much more infectious and more kids thus are being infected.  If the data in Missouri hold up, it would appear that the infection rate from delta starts to wane after a month or so.  Kids can wear masks for a bit longer until the delta starts to wane, and as more and more people get vaccinated.

[Chef Jim]

14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The media has successfully freaked enough people out with this Delta variant so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this.  Having kids wear masks beats hybrid learning but there's no real science that supports masks in the classroom.

 

 

92% of Dems support it??  That's some sheeple right there!  

[Big Blitz]

20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The media has successfully freaked enough people out with this Delta variant so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this.  Having kids wear masks beats hybrid learning but there's no real science that supports masks in the classroom.

 

 

 

How many of those "adults" have kids in school?  

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

VA data, again, in case @Buffalo Timmy didn't read it the other times I posted it. 

 

 

This clearly shows how vaccines don't work after 6 months for most people. Observe the spike in vaccinated individual cases and deaths at about mid August. 

 

And let's not forget our brethren in England and their giant death spike. 

 

 

 

I am curious where you got your table. NBC said there were 125k breakthrough cases on July 30th. Your table shows it never get close to 500 on any given week. One of these tables is incorrect. Even if each day was 500 breakthrough it would take 250 days to reach that total. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1275500

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

I would agree if it were not the delta variant, but it is much more infectious and more kids thus are being infected.  If the data in Missouri hold up, it would appear that the infection rate from delta starts to wane after a month or so.  Kids can wear masks for a bit longer until the delta starts to wane, and as more and more people get vaccinated.

There's little evidence that anything other than N95/KN95 masks help at all at stopping the spread of the Delta variant.  Even those advanced masks are subject to debate.  Kids are still extremely unlikely to die from this virus.  By hiding teacher's and other student's lips it negatively impacts the development of their social and linguistic skills.  This is really problematic for students who have hearing impairments or are on the autism spectrum.  The negative benefits of masks for children in schools far outweigh the positive benefits imo.

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

How many of those "adults" have kids in school?  

There may be this false assumption that in order to go back into full person learning then mask mandates are a must.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

New case 7 day average across US with vaccine in hand now 3 times what it was this time last year at this time when the pandemic was the fault of the sitting President. 
 

 

Double standard personified 

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I am curious where you got your table. NBC said there were 125k breakthrough cases on July 30th. Your table shows it never get close to 500 on any given week. One of these tables is incorrect. Even if each day was 500 breakthrough it would take 250 days to reach that total. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1275500

 

Let's start with the hard question for you: How many states are there? 

 

When you get that answer, you will start to answer your question if you look really closely at the first two letters of my post that you questioned.  

 

Oh and since you're once again chicken little over-reacting with your link to OH MY GAWSH 125,000 CASES SINCE JULY, precisely what percentage breakthrough is 125,000 cases for 168,000,000 vaccinated people? 20% 10% 2%? 1% 0.5% Can't be lower than that can it? 

 

You make this too easy, again helping me show how dumb your statement that "in most cases the vaccine doesn't work after 6 months" is perhaps the dumbest thing said in this thread, with a lot of dumb things. But at this point you've sextupled down on stupidity and keep linking stories that undermine your statement. Keep it up: Post another link. 

Edited August 17, 2021 by Sundancer

[LeGOATski]

31 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

How many of those "adults" have kids in school?  

I'm one. 4 confirmed cases of covid in my kid's class alone. She understands the mask helps and isn't a big baby about it.

[Big Blitz]

4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I'm one. 4 confirmed cases of covid in my kid's class alone. She understands the mask helps and isn't a big baby about it.

 

 

But 4 kids have it.  

 

Why didn't the masks work?  

[Doc Brown]

20 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

New case 7 day average across US with vaccine in hand now 3 times what it was this time last year at this time when the pandemic was the fault of the sitting President. 
 

 

Double standard personified 

I don't care about the case rate.  Give me the death rate.

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

I don't care about the case rate.  Give me the death rate.

 

 

Cases up. 

 

Deaths are half of what they were last summer.  

 

 

No one is talking about this.  

 

Delta has been here since April - minimum.

[LeGOATski]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

But 4 kids have it.  

 

Why didn't the masks work?  

Only half the kids wear the masks.