The Patriot QB's suck 🤣🤣

[P Riv]

54 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

They are deep in OL probably the deepest group on the team.  I am HOPING by the end of the year I am either shocked at how well Newton has played, or am seeing positive movement from Jones.. I don’t expect to win the East this year it will still be the Bills division.. I am hoping they improve enough be #2 and maybe a wildcard team.  Team still has holes on O, like they don’t have a true #1 receiver, and no real elite WR, I still think Jacoby Meyers is the best of the lot. 

 

I see they are deep on the OL, but Wynn likely won't last and then there's the number of roster spots to account for.  If they carry 8 OL and one is Wynn, to me thats actually going to be thin.  Wynn can't stay on the field and on a related note neither can Jonnu Smith.  So I see them carrying 4-5 Players between TE and FB in order to maintain their offensive scheme.  They're always heavy on DBs and they have a ton of LB's, and that eats up a lot of roster space.  Depending on injuries I think they can threaten us in their best case scenario.  

My biggest curiosity with them is actually Stidham, who clearly has the best arm in their QB room.  

[JaCrispy]

Just a hunch, but I think Mac Jones is gonna be good...Not so much for the Jets’ QB...

Edited June 21, 2021 by JaCrispy

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, P Riv said:

 

I see they are deep on the OL, but Wynn likely won't last and then there's the number of roster spots to account for.  If they carry 8 OL and one is Wynn, to me thats actually going to be thin.  Wynn can't stay on the field and on a related note neither can Jonnu Smith.  So I see them carrying 4-5 Players between TE and FB in order to maintain their offensive scheme.  They're always heavy on DBs and they have a ton of LB's, and that eats up a lot of roster space.  Depending on injuries I think they can threaten us in their best case scenario.  

My biggest curiosity with them is actually Stidham, who clearly has the best arm in their QB room.  

I see Stidham being traded before the season starts… not for much maybe a 5th rounder.  He has a strong arm but isn’t very accurate it seems, and let’s face it he has next to zero chance of winning the starting role from Jones or Newton. 
 

I am more concerned about Gilmore and if they resign him and have a good CB for 2 years the. Stuck with him for the rest when he declines. But if they trade him it tells me they are looking to next year and more young players to help.

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Just a hunch, but I think Mac Jones is gonna be good...Not so much for the Jets’ QB...

What do you think of Tua? I myself see good and bad last year.. doesn’t help that the Phins were willing trade the farm for Watson.. makes me think they aren’t sure about him.

[Putin]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Just a hunch, but I think Mac Jones is gonna be good...Not so much for the Jets’ QB...

I hope they’re both backups on different teams 2-3 years from now , you can add Tua to that list 

[JaCrispy]

35 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I see Stidham being traded before the season starts… not for much maybe a 5th rounder.  He has a strong arm but isn’t very accurate it seems, and let’s face it he has next to zero chance of winning the starting role from Jones or Newton. 
 

I am more concerned about Gilmore and if they resign him and have a good CB for 2 years the. Stuck with him for the rest when he declines. But if they trade him it tells me they are looking to next year and more young players to help.

What do you think of Tua? I myself see good and bad last year.. doesn’t help that the Phins were willing trade the farm for Watson.. makes me think they aren’t sure about him.

Tua is such a wildcard to me...in order to be good, I can’t help but think he will  need a west coast style offense, that centers around short to intermediate routes, in order to even have a chance (like Steve Young played in)...and even then, does he have the killer instinct? Is he a leader of men? I have no idea...

 

I’ll tell ya this though- I don’t like how the coach kept pulling him in close games...those are great learning opportunities...either keep him on the bench for the year, or leave him in, once the the decision has been made to play him imo...

[blacklabel]

Yeesh, Cam really lost it these last few years. His mechanics just look so wonky. Seems like a complete 50/50 when he throws it, it’s either gonna be fairly on target or miss by a mile. Even his last year in Carolina he was missing on routine throws. And then Jones looks like the reincarnation of Chad Pennington, just with less accuracy but the same noodle arm. Good. Suffer, New England. Suffaaaahhhhhh!!!

[Rocky Landing]

From that clip on page #1 (and also Mac's college reel), were I a Patriots* fan, I would be less concerned with Cam's wildly inaccurate flailing, and much more concerned with Mac's lack of velocity.

[PatsFanNH]

22 hours ago, blacklabel said:

Yeesh, Cam really lost it these last few years. His mechanics just look so wonky. Seems like a complete 50/50 when he throws it, it’s either gonna be fairly on target or miss by a mile. Even his last year in Carolina he was missing on routine throws. And then Jones looks like the reincarnation of Chad Pennington, just with less accuracy but the same noodle arm. Good. Suffer, New England. Suffaaaahhhhhh!!!

Huh? His accuracy is actually BETTER than Pennington and while he doesn’t have a cannon for an arm he is capable making any throw.. His weakness supposedly is the fact he isn’t a running threat. I will laugh if he plays and beats Buffalo in year one.

 

Cam you are right his arm is shot which is sad he has so much heart! 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

7 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Huh? His accuracy is actually BETTER than Pennington and while he doesn’t have a cannon for an arm he is capable making any throw.. His weakness supposedly is the fact he isn’t a running threat. I will laugh if he plays and beats Buffalo in year one.

 

Cam you are right his arm is shot which is sad he has so much heart! 

 

He's an Alabama QB, that doesn't bode well for the NFL.  Perhaps he's the one to buck the trend.

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Huh? His accuracy is actually BETTER than Pennington and while he doesn’t have a cannon for an arm he is capable making any throw.. His weakness supposedly is the fact he isn’t a running threat. I will laugh if he plays and beats Buffalo in year one.

 

Cam you are right his arm is shot which is sad he has so much heart! 

 

**Nevermind...you were talking about Jones**

I really don't agree that Cam has better accuracy than Pennington.   What makes you think that?

That's the only thing Pennington had because his arm was terribly weak.  He wouldn't have lasted one camp with a weak and inaccurate arm.

Edited June 22, 2021 by Royale with Cheese

[PatsFanNH]

3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

He's an Alabama QB, that doesn't bode well for the NFL.  Perhaps he's the one to buck the trend.

We won’t know till he plays and bombs or does well.  I am also a firm believer that coaching makes a big difference if a QB is good or bad. IMO the Bills failed at QB for so long because you didn’t have a good HC to work with him.  You get that good HC and Bam you immediately hit on Allen. I don’t think that was luck.  

2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

**Nevermind...you were talking about Jones**

I really don't agree that Cam has better accuracy than Pennington.   What makes you think that?

That's the only thing Pennington had because his arm was terribly weak.  He wouldn't have lasted one camp with a weak and inaccurate arm.

Pennington had average arm strength till he hurt his shoulder.. after that his arm was noodle arm. Jones has an average arm strength.

 

As for Cam Newton I don’t believe he was ever been an overly accurate QB even when he was MVP.  He did have a canon arm coming out but the beating he took in Carolina destroyed his career. It was criminal how they never got him a decent o line. 

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

As for Cam Newton I don’t believe he was ever been an overly accurate QB even when he was MVP.  He did have a canon arm coming out but the beating he took in Carolina destroyed his career. It was criminal how they never got him a decent o line. 

 

To me, Cam is equally at fault for getting hit a lot because he holds onto the ball too long.  Good QB's will still make it work behind bad lines.

Big Ben had Oline issues with Pittsburgh.  Brady had issues as well with injuries and still won.  Cam doesn't help his line.

[PatsFanNH]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

To me, Cam is equally at fault for getting hit a lot because he holds onto the ball too long.  Good QB's will still make it work behind bad lines.

Big Ben had Oline issues with Pittsburgh.  Brady had issues as well with injuries and still won.  Cam doesn't help his line.

Look at Big Ben how many years taken off of his career by bad O lines? 
 

Newton IMO doesn’t seem to read Ds well this he holds the ball longer.

 

Brady helps his Oline look better because like P Manning he gets rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds usually, hard for anyone get pressure that fast lol.

 

 Hey great football discussion! Enjoy the Bills success for HOWEVER long it lasts, trust me even after 20 years you miss it when it’s gone. Lol (although I don’t have as many annoying bandwagon pats fans anymore. Lol)

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Look at Big Ben how many years taken off of his career by bad O lines? 
 

Newton IMO doesn’t seem to read Ds well this he holds the ball longer.

 

Brady helps his Oline look better because like P Manning he gets rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds usually, hard for anyone get pressure that fast lol.

 

 Hey great football discussion! Enjoy the Bills success for HOWEVER long it lasts, trust me even after 20 years you miss it when it’s gone. Lol (although I don’t have as many annoying bandwagon pats fans anymore. Lol)

Ben holds onto the ball forever and takes a lot of unnecessary hits.  Its my biggest concern with Allen's play as he has the same tendency to extend the play and as a result he takes some big shots.

[Royale with Cheese]

10 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Look at Big Ben how many years taken off of his career by bad O lines? 
 

Newton IMO doesn’t seem to read Ds well this he holds the ball longer.

 

Brady helps his Oline look better because like P Manning he gets rid of the ball in less than 3 seconds usually, hard for anyone get pressure that fast lol.

 

 Hey great football discussion! Enjoy the Bills success for HOWEVER long it lasts, trust me even after 20 years you miss it when it’s gone. Lol (although I don’t have as many annoying bandwagon pats fans anymore. Lol)

 

Yes, Ben's career probably has been shorten but he was still playing at a high level....but was starting to show signs last year he's shot.  

Newton has been bad for the last few years IMO.  

[Captain Hindsight]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Yes, Ben's career probably has been shorten but he was still playing at a high level....but was starting to show signs last year he's shot.  

Newton has been bad for the last few years IMO.  

Newton was playing great until he hurt his shoulder in Carolina a few years ago. I think it never really healed and his mechanics aren't good enough to overcome his loss of strength.

 

I've always liked Cam, but last season was pretty apparent that hes not a threat as a passer anymore. Maybe he will get healthier, but I have my doubts.

 

[Patrick Duffy]

On 6/21/2021 at 12:23 PM, JaCrispy said:

Just a hunch, but I think Mac Jones is gonna be good...Not so much for the Jets’ QB...

I'm exact opposite. I think he will have a difficult time. I just don't see it myself. 

[Rocky Landing]

45 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

I'm exact opposite. I think he will have a difficult time. I just don't see it myself. 

I'm with you. I strongly suspect that he isn't going to respond well to pressure at the NFL level. 

[PatsFanNH]

45 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

I'm exact opposite. I think he will have a difficult time. I just don't see it myself. 

Right now it’s all a guessing game. I am high on Jones because he supposedly comes with an extremely high Football IQ and that’s what I am told is needed for the Pats playbook.

 

As I said before I like Jones chances better just because he isn’t in a dysfunctional organization. But hell I could be wrong.

2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I'm with you. I strongly suspect that he isn't going to respond well to pressure at the NFL level. 

See I feel that way about Wilson. He is already being blackballed by fans for being a Trump supporter.  Meanwhile there is zero pressure on Jones as he isn’t right after Brady but after probably 1 1/2 years of  broken down Cam Newton.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

We won’t know till he plays and bombs or does well.  I am also a firm believer that coaching makes a big difference if a QB is good or bad. IMO the Bills failed at QB for so long because you didn’t have a good HC to work with him.  You get that good HC and Bam you immediately hit on Allen. I don’t think that was luck.

 

Absolutely.  You may or may not know, but the majority of TBD sh** on Allen even before he was even picked and thereafter for awhile.  Rosen was the "chosen one"!  

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

Absolutely.  You may or may not know, but the majority of TBD sh** on Allen even before he was even picked and thereafter for awhile.  Rosen was the "chosen one"!  

I feel bad for Rosen, talk about a QB who truly got a bum deal. Lol.

 

Also if I remember correctly even the experts said Allen a hiGH Boom or bust potential and could go either way. IMO good coaching made it more Boom or just an average QB range.. he was never going be a bust but that’s MY OPINION. (Before someone attacks lol)

 

for example this years class of of QBs (1st round) I see Wilson, and Fields as being Busts based on their coaches and or dysfunctional organization. I expect Lance be a huge star but never wins a SB, (i kid a dig on the HC choking twice in SB) Lawrence being to talented to fail but I am not sure on the HC and organization..   

Jones I am biased on but he landed in the perfect spot for him anywhere else he be a sure fire bust. 

[blacklabel]

21 hours ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

He's an Alabama QB, that doesn't bode well for the NFL.  Perhaps he's the one to buck the trend.

I read that as “noodle armed weenie can’t hang” and will not buck trend. I refuse to feel any kind of bad for the Pats after they just had 19 seasons of elite quarterback play. Suffer, you Pats fans, suffer in QB purgatory such as we have!

[Captain Hindsight]

19 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

I feel bad for Rosen, talk about a QB who truly got a bum deal. Lol.

 

Also if I remember correctly even the experts said Allen a hiGH Boom or bust potential and could go either way. IMO good coaching made it more Boom or just an average QB range.. he was never going be a bust but that’s MY OPINION. (Before someone attacks lol)

 

for example this years class of of QBs (1st round) I see Wilson, and Fields as being Busts based on their coaches and or dysfunctional organization. I expect Lance be a huge star but never wins a SB, (i kid a dig on the HC choking twice in SB) Lawrence being to talented to fail but I am not sure on the HC and organization..   

Jones I am biased on but he landed in the perfect spot for him anywhere else he be a sure fire bust. 

I don't. Go back and watch some of his AZ tape. He was laughably bad. His accuracy and pro readiness were undermined by his complete lack of preparation and anticipation. He was Nate Peterman with a slightly better arm. He made about 6 good throws all year. He was terrible and Miami is a sucker for having given up a 2nd rounder for that bum

 

Rosen has no one to blame but himself for his struggles

[thenorthremembers]

19 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

I feel bad for Rosen, talk about a QB who truly got a bum deal. Lol.

 

Also if I remember correctly even the experts said Allen a hiGH Boom or bust potential and could go either way. IMO good coaching made it more Boom or just an average QB range.. he was never going be a bust but that’s MY OPINION. (Before someone attacks lol)

 

for example this years class of of QBs (1st round) I see Wilson, and Fields as being Busts based on their coaches and or dysfunctional organization. I expect Lance be a huge star but never wins a SB, (i kid a dig on the HC choking twice in SB) Lawrence being to talented to fail but I am not sure on the HC and organization..   

Jones I am biased on but he landed in the perfect spot for him anywhere else he be a sure fire bust. 

The only thing I feel bad about is him being over drafted, and even in that sense I cant feel too terrible for a guy who has made nearly $14 million dollars for being terrible at football.    Good players arent replaced a year after being drafted, or cut/traded three times in four years.    His situation wasnt the problem, his lack on arm strength and mobility was the problem. 

 

In all reality, the guy hit the lottery.   He got paid $14 million dollars to not do something he is bad at anyways. 

[Bruce Harper]

Belicheat really seems to love Cam for some reason.  I hope he starts a few games (enough for them to get off to a slow start) before they go to Jones.

[Rocky Landing]

39 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said:

Belicheat really seems to love Cam for some reason.  I hope he starts a few games (enough for them to get off to a slow start) before they go to Jones.

Do you seriously think their season is going to speed up once Jones takes over?

[Bruce Harper]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

Do you seriously think their season is going to speed up once Jones takes over?

I don't think all that much of Jones but he does seem a helluva lot more accurate than Cam.  Cam looks totally shot.  

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, Bruce Harper said:

I don't think all that much of Jones but he does seem a helluva lot more accurate than Cam.  Cam looks totally shot.  

More accurate, yes. But, he throws with about 65% of Cam's velocity. And at 20-something years old, he already has a dad-bod.

[YoloinOhio]

4 hours ago, Bruce Harper said:

I don't think all that much of Jones but he does seem a helluva lot more accurate than Cam.  Cam looks totally shot.  

His numbers are accurate but like 58% of his passes last year were Screen, RPO or play action 

[P Riv]

14 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

His numbers are accurate but like 58% of his passes last year were Screen, RPO or play action 

Pretty sure we're going to a see a lot of play action and screen from NE this year, that and short pick plays.  I'm sure we'll also see the intermittent overthrown bomb to agholor to keep that threat alive.  

run, dink dunk, screen, run, run run, run....  They have RBs that can catch, good TE's and possession WRs, so this isn't too tough to figure out.  

In reality, an accurate noodle arm could actually do well.  

[YoloinOhio]

43 minutes ago, P Riv said:

Pretty sure we're going to a see a lot of play action and screen from NE this year, that and short pick plays.  I'm sure we'll also see the intermittent overthrown bomb to agholor to keep that threat alive.  

run, dink dunk, screen, run, run run, run....  They have RBs that can catch, good TE's and possession WRs, so this isn't too tough to figure out.  

In reality, an accurate noodle arm could actually do well.  

He really doesn’t have a “noodle” arm, I’m just not sure he has a fastball and he can’t move.

[machine gun kelly]

The Pats might win some games, but they won’t win enough using the sink and dunk strategy.  8-9 to 9-8 is my prediction.  They’ll beat the Houston’s and Jets of the schedule, but they are toast against us, Bucs, Saints, Colts,

Titans or even the Fins at least once.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 6/23/2021 at 8:27 PM, YoloinOhio said:

His numbers are accurate but like 58% of his passes last year were Screen, RPO or play action 

 

I find it at least slightly concerning that Alabama had 2 WRs, the RB, and 3 OL also get drafted in the same year.   4 of those in the first round, 5 in the first 37 picks.  Even with Waddle missing time, its not as if Metchie is a bad player.  

 

I liked Jones ability to throw people open a bit, and he made some nice RZ throws over his receivers shoulders.  But between the 20's it looked like a ton of shorter stuff and relying on his guys to make plays. 

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

18 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

I find it at least slightly concerning that Alabama had 2 WRs, the RB, and 3 OL also get drafted in the same year.   4 of those in the first round, 5 in the first 37 picks.  Even with Waddle missing time, its not as if Metchie is a bad player.  

 

I liked Jones ability to throw people open a bit, and he made some nice RZ throws over his receivers shoulders.  But between the 20's it looked like a ton of shorter stuff and relying on his guys to make plays. 

 

 

And I don’t think any of this is a negative as much as it makes him harder to evaluate/project to the next level 

[PatsFanNH]

On 6/23/2021 at 6:38 PM, Rocky Landing said:

More accurate, yes. But, he throws with about 65% of Cam's velocity. And at 20-something years old, he already has a dad-bod.

Lmao on the Dad bod… you know who else supposedly had a dad bod was Brady. (I think someone on here put Brady combine photo and Macs photo together on here)

 

As for velocity that is IMO the most overrated thing people talk about.  “Oh what great velocity on that throw” meanwhile it was high and wide.  Accuracy IMO is far more important with occasional zip fit it into a tight window.  
 

 

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao on the Dad bod… you know who else supposedly had a dad bod was Brady. (I think someone on here put Brady combine photo and Macs photo together on here)

 

As for velocity that is IMO the most overrated thing people talk about.  “Oh what great velocity on that throw” meanwhile it was high and wide.  Accuracy IMO is far more important with occasional zip fit it into a tight window.  
 

 

Agree accuracy is more important but completion percentage is something that can increase over time for many reasons. Arm talent will not increase appreciably.  The challenge with lower arm talent is you need to make up for it with processing.  I don’t know Jones wonderlic off hand but I would overall think it’s easier to process at Bama than it will be in the NFL

[PatsFanNH]

40 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Agree accuracy is more important but completion percentage is something that can increase over time for many reasons. Arm talent will not increase appreciably.  The challenge with lower arm talent is you need to make up for it with processing.  I don’t know Jones wonderlic off hand but I would overall think it’s easier to process at Bama than it will be in the NFL

I agree on easier process in Alabama.  As for his smarts, everyone is saying how super intelligent he is because he graduated from Alabama in 3 years.  Will that intelligence translate to football and reading D in the NFL? Only time will tell, I do know his teammates said they would choose him over Tua who everyone was gushing over before he got hurt. 
 

IMO he was the best fit for what the Patriots like to do on O. That being mostly short to intermediate throws and making decisions quickly in the pocket.   Outside of Lawrence I don’t think any of the other 5 would fit into the Patriots system as well.  (Again just my opinion)

[Victory Formation]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao on the Dad bod… you know who else supposedly had a dad bod was Brady. (I think someone on here put Brady combine photo and Macs photo together on here)

 

As for velocity that is IMO the most overrated thing people talk about.  “Oh what great velocity on that throw” meanwhile it was high and wide.  Accuracy IMO is far more important with occasional zip fit it into a tight window.  
 

 

Well, too little zip and it won’t matter how accurate you are, the defense will start jumping on the ball. Take Allen for instance, he has a rocket for an arm but he uses it to rifle the ball in to his receivers in such a way that defenders simply can’t jump on it. Either the receiver gets it or no one does.

 

Also, I don’t think Mac will be a good QB. He benefited from an insanely talented supporting cast and great coaching. I could see him as a middling type of QB (better than Cam), but with that said, between Belichick and some of the other players you have on your roster, I would not be surprised at all to see the Patriots challenge the Bills for the division, but ultimately I think the Bills will stay ahead by 2-3 games. Still, great coaching is great coaching. Respect to Belichick, although I think he is on his way out, he’s still one of the best coaches in the history of the game. Never underestimate his ability as a game planner and getting the most out of his players.

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

I agree on easier process in Alabama.  As for his smarts, everyone is saying how super intelligent he is because he graduated from Alabama in 3 years.  Will that intelligence translate to football and reading D in the NFL? Only time will tell, I do know his teammates said they would choose him over Tua who everyone was gushing over before he got hurt. 
 

IMO he was the best fit for what the Patriots like to do on O. That being mostly short to intermediate throws and making decisions quickly in the pocket.   Outside of Lawrence I don’t think any of the other 5 would fit into the Patriots system as well.  (Again just my opinion)

It strikes me, especially with their continued investment in Cam Newton, that what they do is work to the strengths of what they have. That being said, I'm still trying to imagine what a transition from Cam Newton to Mac & Cheese Jones will look like? I think I already mentioned in this thread that you'd be hard-pressed to find two active QBs in the league that have less in common. I'm really hoping that transition happens mid-season. It would be interesting to watch.

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

Well, too little zip and it won’t matter how accurate you are, the defense will start jumping on the ball. Take Allen for instance, he has a rocket for an arm but he uses it to rifle the ball in to his receivers in such a way that defenders simply can’t jump on it. Either the receiver gets it or no one does.

 

Also, I don’t think Mac will be a good QB. He benefited from an insanely talented supporting cast and great coaching. I could see him as a middling type of QB (better than Cam), but with that said, between Belichick and some of the other players you have on your roster, I would not be surprised at all to see the Patriots challenge the Bills for the division, but ultimately I think the Bills will stay ahead by 2-3 games. Still, great coaching is great coaching. Respect to Belichick, although I think he is on his way out, he’s still one of the best coaches in the history of the game. Never underestimate his ability as a game planner and getting the most out of his players.

Allen is a known commodity, plain and simple we know he is good and will be top 5 in the league.  Jones all we have is what talking heads say and his game tapes.  Yes he was surrounded by talent but he had the smarts step up in the pocket and he read Defenses well and delivered the ball on target and on time, he also broke NCAA record for accuracy.  We won’t know if he be a boom or bust till he plays in the NFL.

 

I think BB brought back Cam for a few reasons.  First being that no QB was left at 15 and we ended up with the second tier QBs who definitely wouldn’t be ready to year 2. Second to give Jones time to learn the playbook and get use to NFL game speed.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Jones sat the year even if Cam stinks  because another high draft picks give us hopefully a #1 WR for him to throw to.