The Patriot QB's suck 🤣🤣

[NoHuddleKelly12]

3 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

None of course. However he (and other Pats fans) always come back with...." he may not have won a Super Bowl before Brady, but made an appearance with Bledsoe". But common sense tells us that B.B was nothing but a good Defensive coach without Brady and would not have won those titles without Brady either.

 

Also there were a few seasons Brady had some really good weapons at WR, but was more seasons Brady made many nobodies into somebodies....at least while they were in N.E.

Agreed; but do need to point out that the Bledsoe SB appearance in 96 was not with BB as a HC; Parcells had brought BB in after he was canned in Cleveland following the ‘95 season. 

[Patrick Duffy]

7 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Agreed; but do need to point out that the Bledsoe SB appearance in 96 was not with BB as a HC; Parcells had brought BB in after he was canned in Cleveland following the ‘95 season. 

Yes that correct.Totally forgot lol, BB been there so long it slipped my mind Parcells was coach then lol

[machine gun kelly]

Of the two Parcells was the genius.  BB is an excellent coach, and that shouldn’t be in question.  Think what Parcells did. He won two SB’s with the Giants and the second one with his backup QB.  He turned the Pats around from the lagging stock of the league to a winning team and on his fourth year the SB.  Then he turned the Jets around as well as a joke to the championship game.  He also turned the Cowgirls around as well.

 

A lot of people don’t like him as he was prickly to the media, but it was calculated to use the media as a tool.

 

BB is doing his best minus Brady by drafting a meh QB, getting tall TE’s and solid RB’s.  This probably get him a slightly winning record beating mediocre teams say 9-8.  They aren’t a playoff team. It couldn’t be better from our perspective.  Win just enough to not have a high draft spot, lose enough to not make the playoffs.

[atlbillsfan1975]

12 hours ago, Success said:

 

Kraft caught lightning in a bottle w/ Belichick.  He hasn't had to really do anything as an owner for 20 years.

 

They didn't win Super Bowls before Brady, and I don't see them winning a lot after him.  This coming season feels like BB's last hurrah - he "won the offseason" with a lot of spending, but they're still stuck at the QB position.

 

 

 

Posts like this are why I'm so looking forward to the years ahead.

 

Sad thing is, these fair weather Pats fans won’t come here then. It’s fascinating to read how delusional they are about the future of their team.

[atlbillsfan1975]

10 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Of the two Parcells was the genius.  BB is an excellent coach, and that shouldn’t be in question.  Think what Parcells did. He won two SB’s with the Giants and the second one with his backup QB.  He turned the Pats around from the lagging stock of the league to a winning team and on his fourth year the SB.  Then he turned the Jets around as well as a joke to the championship game.  He also turned the Cowgirls around as well.

 

A lot of people don’t like him as he was prickly to the media, but it was calculated to use the media as a tool.

 

BB is doing his best minus Brady by drafting a meh QB, getting tall TE’s and solid RB’s.  This probably get him a slightly winning record beating mediocre teams say 9-8.  They aren’t a playoff team. It couldn’t be better from our perspective.  Win just enough to not have a high draft spot, lose enough to not make the playoffs.

Every year Belichick sticks around the luster wears off his shine. Brady made Belichick more than vice versa. I refer to Bradys backing BB in the locker room and getting the rest of the team to buy in, as much if not more so than his play on the field.

[P Riv]

10 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Of the two Parcells was the genius.  BB is an excellent coach, and that shouldn’t be in question.  Think what Parcells did. He won two SB’s with the Giants and the second one with his backup QB.  He turned the Pats around from the lagging stock of the league to a winning team and on his fourth year the SB.  Then he turned the Jets around as well as a joke to the championship game.  He also turned the Cowgirls around as well.

 

A lot of people don’t like him as he was prickly to the media, but it was calculated to use the media as a tool.

 

BB is doing his best minus Brady by drafting a meh QB, getting tall TE’s and solid RB’s.  This probably get him a slightly winning record beating mediocre teams say 9-8.  They aren’t a playoff team. It couldn’t be better from our perspective.  Win just enough to not have a high draft spot, lose enough to not make the playoffs.

 

I always thought the opposite was true personally.  Hoodie beat the Tuna in the playoffs.  That and Tuna never won anything without Hoodie as his DC/ass't HC.  

You're probably right about 9-8, they are projected to win 9.5 games by the odds makers.  So its 9-8 or 10-7, no threat this year.  

We're projected to win 11, so not really sure how it all works.  

10 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Sad thing is, these fair weather Pats fans won’t come here then. It’s fascinating to read how delusional they are about the future of their team.

 

That's Leaguewide, maybe even in every sport.... lol   Homerism, we have our share too.

[PatsFanNH]

22 hours ago, Success said:

 

No - the Bills weren't well run.  Not what I was saying.

 

But they are now, and the danger of moving to Toronto has passed. As happens in sports, things shift & times change. 

 

 

 Thank you, they report the “want to” but never update you when things change. (Outside of the area of course)

[PatsFanNH]

18 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

None of course. However he (and other Pats fans) always come back with...." he may not have won a Super Bowl before Brady, but made an appearance with Bledsoe". But common sense tells us that B.B was nothing but a good Defensive coach without Brady and would not have won those titles without Brady either.

 

Also there were a few seasons Brady had some really good weapons at WR, but was more seasons Brady made many nobodies into somebodies....at least while they were in N.E.

Tuna was HC in 96. Also Brady was a game manager for the 2001 SB and dare say the D also won 2003 and 2004.  Now the other 3 SB you can definitely say it was Brady and the O winning it. (I mean 2 we’re the biggest comebacks in SB history 10 against the legion of boom and 25 bs Atlanta.)

[atlbillsfan1975]

7 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

I always thought the opposite was true personally.  Hoodie beat the Tuna in the playoffs.  That and Tuna never won anything without Hoodie as his DC/ass't HC.  

You're probably right about 9-8, they are projected to win 9.5 games by the odds makers.  So its 9-8 or 10-7, no threat this year.  

We're projected to win 11, so not really sure how it all works.  

 

That's Leaguewide, maybe even in every sport.... lol   Homerism, we have our share too.

They won’t win 9 games. Vegas knows there is enough people who still buy into the BB BS. Watch what the leagues does to Bill and the Pats this season. 

[P Riv]

14 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

They won’t win 9 games. Vegas knows there is enough people who still buy into the BB BS. Watch what the leagues does to Bill and the Pats this season. 

 

Thats pretty hopeful considering they won 7 last year with bottom feeder talent and upgraded every position grouping, some substantially (LB, TE).  They will likely have a top 5 defense, top 5 O-line and running game and only require a game manager at QB.  They can't win a shoot out or even compete in one, but my guess is they won't have many of those.  My guess is they start fast at like 6-2, then fade down the stretch and win 9 or 10 when its all done.  Just enough to threaten playoffs and get a middling draft position.  Hoodie needs 36 more wins to tie Shula, so my guess is he gets 10 this year and sticks around.  If Jones develops they'll be a threat next year, if not they will be where we were for all those years (not bad, not good).  

[Don Otreply]

48 minutes ago, P Riv said:

 

Thats pretty hopeful considering they won 7 last year with bottom feeder talent and upgraded every position grouping, some substantially (LB, TE).  They will likely have a top 5 defense, top 5 O-line and running game and only require a game manager at QB.  They can't win a shoot out or even compete in one, but my guess is they won't have many of those.  My guess is they start fast at like 6-2, then fade down the stretch and win 9 or 10 when its all done.  Just enough to threaten playoffs and get a middling draft position.  Hoodie needs 36 more wins to tie Shula, so my guess is he gets 10 this year and sticks around.  If Jones develops they'll be a threat next year, if not they will be where we were for all those years (not bad, not good).  

Snyder in DC “bought talent” every season for what seems like forever,  really didn’t do him much good, this is the pats future until they get a real QB, and learn how to draft well, not looking like that’s happening any time soon, now BB has started down the Snyder path of buying expensive FA talent annually and hoping to god that it all clicks, nice to see him in that position.

[YattaOkasan]

4 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

Thats pretty hopeful considering they won 7 last year with bottom feeder talent and upgraded every position grouping, some substantially (LB, TE).  They will likely have a top 5 defense, top 5 O-line and running game and only require a game manager at QB.  They can't win a shoot out or even compete in one, but my guess is they won't have many of those.  My guess is they start fast at like 6-2, then fade down the stretch and win 9 or 10 when its all done.  Just enough to threaten playoffs and get a middling draft position.  Hoodie needs 36 more wins to tie Shula, so my guess is he gets 10 this year and sticks around.  If Jones develops they'll be a threat next year, if not they will be where we were for all those years (not bad, not good).  

Something I'm not hearing mentioned a lot is all the new pieces and how they will come together.  This is not something BB has had to deal with a lot in the past. 

[P Riv]

Saw this today while on the treadmill: 

 

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, P Riv said:

Saw this today while on the treadmill: 

 

Ok first I as a Pats fan highly doubt the Pats win the Division! The Bills are still a better team. That said I expect them to win 10 to 11 games maybe more and be a wild card team and once your in anything can happen.  (I agree about Cam passing ability why I am excited about Jones whose accuracy and smarts are his game.)

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Time to helpfully point out that whilst nowhere near an Ertz thread for longevity, 13 pages dedicated to the topic of Pats QB’s current suckitude is not nothing!  Enjoy this Bills fans! 

[MJS]

5 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Ok first I as a Pats fan highly doubt the Pats win the Division! The Bills are still a better team. That said I expect them to win 10 to 11 games maybe more and be a wild card team and once your in anything can happen.  (I agree about Cam passing ability why I am excited about Jones whose accuracy and smarts are his game.)

Those are some rose colored glasses. 10 or 11 wins? I don't see that. Maybe 8 or 9.

[eball]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

Those are some rose colored glasses. 10 or 11 wins? I don't see that. Maybe 8 or 9.

 

Yeah, I tend to agree.  Can’t see 11-6 out of a team with Cam or the rookie behind center.  Their defense will be very good, though.

[YattaOkasan]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

Those are some rose colored glasses. 10 or 11 wins? I don't see that. Maybe 8 or 9.

I can maybe see it but those are his expectations.  Yikes.  My expectations for the Bills is only like 11-12 wins (though we do win the division)

[PatsFanNH]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

Those are some rose colored glasses. 10 or 11 wins? I don't see that. Maybe 8 or 9.

I am going based off of who we face this year. A much easier schedule than last year and if we are honest they were horrid talent wise last year and won 7.  I mean I see 3 wins against Jets and Miami, beat NO, beat Houston, beat Chargers, Beat Panthers, beat Falcons,  and beat Jags. I know those should be wins maybe even sweep the Phins and Jets.  I wouldn’t be shocked if they beat  Dallas or Browns.

 

heck the only teams I expect lose to (aka take a miracle to win)is Tampa and Buffalo. The schedule is much easier this year than last year.

47 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

I can maybe see it but those are his expectations.  Yikes.  My expectations for the Bills is only like 11-12 wins (though we do win the division)

You had that many last year with a tougher schedule. Why do you expect the same this year? 

[YattaOkasan]

4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

I am going based off of who we face this year. A much easier schedule than last year and if we are honest they were horrid talent wise last year and won 7.  I mean I see 3 wins against Jets and Miami, beat NO, beat Houston, beat Chargers, Beat Panthers, beat Falcons,  and beat Jags. I know those should be wins maybe even sweep the Phins and Jets.  I wouldn’t be shocked if they beat  Dallas or Browns.

 

heck the only teams I expect lose to (aka take a miracle to win)is Tampa and Buffalo. The schedule is much easier this year than last year.

You had that many last year with a tougher schedule. Why do you expect the same this year? 

We a few games that couldve easily gone either way; these include Fins #1, Rams, Pats game #1.  The cards game was the unlucky one we shouldve won.  Thats how I get to my floor of 11 games.  I said 11-12 because of the easier schedule as you mention.  Again I EXPECT to win 11-12 games; thats not my prediction. 

 

I think I see your logic on how you got to your number and can appreciate now how you got there.  I would come up with a different number but thats really a difference in approach i see now.

Edited July 20, 2021 by YattaOkasan

[atlbillsfan1975]

On 7/19/2021 at 11:50 AM, P Riv said:

 

Thats pretty hopeful considering they won 7 last year with bottom feeder talent and upgraded every position grouping, some substantially (LB, TE).  They will likely have a top 5 defense, top 5 O-line and running game and only require a game manager at QB.  They can't win a shoot out or even compete in one, but my guess is they won't have many of those.  My guess is they start fast at like 6-2, then fade down the stretch and win 9 or 10 when its all done.  Just enough to threaten playoffs and get a middling draft position.  Hoodie needs 36 more wins to tie Shula, so my guess is he gets 10 this year and sticks around.  If Jones develops they'll be a threat next year, if not they will be where we were for all those years (not bad, not good).  

Jones was a desperate pick, he was the product of playing with elite talent.  He will never be anything more than a mediocre QB, at best. He won’t be as good as Brady’s last year with the Pats. 
If there is any kind of justice, Belichick doesn’t win more than Shula. Talk about two guys doing it the complete opposite way. Belichick is a cheater and a guy who benefited from one QB playing for 20 years at a pro bowl level. 

[P Riv]

3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Jones was a desperate pick, he was the product of playing with elite talent.  He will never be anything more than a mediocre QB, at best. He won’t be as good as Brady’s last year with the Pats. 
If there is any kind of justice, Belichick doesn’t win more than Shula. Talk about two guys doing it the complete opposite way. Belichick is a cheater and a guy who benefited from one QB playing for 20 years at a pro bowl level. 

 

Shula had Unitas, Griese and Marino.  Like thats a handicap.  I hope Hoodie ties him so neither has bragging rights.  

[atlbillsfan1975]

3 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

Shula had Unitas, Griese and Marino.  Like thats a handicap.  I hope Hoodie ties him so neither has bragging rights.  

Doing it with different QB’s is more impressive than one for me. To my knowledge, Shula was never punished for cheating.

Edited July 21, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975

[Ghost_002!]

12 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Doing it with different QB’s is more impressive than one for me. To my knowledge, Shula was never punished for cheating.

 

 

How about the salary cap error where players move from team to team constantly. Nothing against Shula but he wasn't dealing with that.

[P Riv]

3 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

How about the salary cap error where players move from team to team constantly. Nothing against Shula but he wasn't dealing with that.

 

Before the salary cap era, most of the teams that were perennial playoff contenders also had the highest payroll.  SF back in the day bought championships and kept trying it when the cap era started (they got busted).  I'm pretty sure Miami was up there in payroll when Shula was there.  

[atlbillsfan1975]

6 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

How about the salary cap error where players move from team to team constantly. Nothing against Shula but he wasn't dealing with that.

Again, another reason Brady was the main piece to the dynasty , Brady taking discounts helped the Pats. 

[PatsFanNH]

On 7/20/2021 at 3:16 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Jones was a desperate pick, he was the product of playing with elite talent.  He will never be anything more than a mediocre QB, at best. He won’t be as good as Brady’s last year with the Pats. 
If there is any kind of justice, Belichick doesn’t win more than Shula. Talk about two guys doing it the complete opposite way. Belichick is a cheater and a guy who benefited from one QB playing for 20 years at a pro bowl level. 

ROFLMAO ya because all Shula did was messed up a HOF QB playing at a pro bowl level for well over a decade and never won a damn thing with him! 

 

No a desperate pick was the Texans pick of a QB. The Pats took the best available player at 15 in Jones. Also a “product of elite Talent” umm then why didn’t Hurst or Tua break records for completion percentage or get praised by their WR?

 

Now Jones could be a bust or he could be an average or great player only time will tell us not arm chair GMs who base their opinion off of what they want and not what we saw on the field.

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said:

Now Jones could be a bust or he could be an average or great player 

 

Way to go out on a limb, there.

[PatsFanNH]

16 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Again, another reason Brady was the main piece to the dynasty , Brady taking discounts helped the Pats. 

Absolutely, also helped he made it so others took discounts as well like Harrison, and Bruschi etc.. but a great QB isn’t all that’s needed, I mean see Shula with Marino.. they won nothing and Marino was a top 5 QB, and they made the SB once! 

Just now, Gugny said:

 

Way to go out on a limb, there.

Lmao in context I was just trying say how arm chair GMs are annoying for both sides. I am not saying how he will be till I see him throw ONE pass in the NFL. 

On 7/20/2021 at 10:33 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Doing it with different QB’s is more impressive than one for me. To my knowledge, Shula was never punished for cheating.

You do know Shula never won anything with Marino?

[P Riv]

5 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

ROFLMAO ya because all Shula did was messed up a HOF QB playing at a pro bowl level for well over a decade and never won a damn thing with him! 

 

No a desperate pick was the Texans pick of a QB. The Pats took the best available player at 15 in Jones. Also a “product of elite Talent” umm then why didn’t Hurst or Tua break records for completion percentage or get praised by their WR?

 

Now Jones could be a bust or he could be an average or great player only time will tell us not arm chair GMs who base their opinion off of what they want and not what we saw on the field.

 

Striking fear into opponents:

[TheBrownBear]

1 hour ago, P Riv said:

 

Striking fear into opponents:

Thanks.  I can now put "NFL Quarterback Physique" in my dating profile.

[Ghost_002!]

20 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

Before the salary cap era, most of the teams that were perennial playoff contenders also had the highest payroll.  SF back in the day bought championships and kept trying it when the cap era started (they got busted).  [b]I'm pretty sure Miami was up there in payroll when Shula was there.  [/b]

 

possibly, but i don't  think Shula's era dealt with the kind of pay roll/salaries the players started getting and as i mention before, free agency as well.  Different eras, players stay with their teams in shula's era as oppose to players constantly leaving now a days. 

 

18 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Again, another reason Brady was the main piece to the dynasty , Brady taking discounts helped the Pats. 

I don't think there is an argument for how important Brady was to their dynasty, i wasn't even arguing that, but to think it's all Brady is dumb. players play and coaches coach. Both were big pieces to the puzzle. 

Edited July 22, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[YattaOkasan]

10 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

I don't think there is an argument for how important Brady was to their dynasty, i wasn't even arguing that, but to think it's all Brady is dumb. players play and coaches coach. Both were big pieces to the puzzle. 

Agree.  You had a line about Montana and the 49ers which got me thinking about Terry Bradshaw's importance to the 70's steelers dysnasty.  Tough for me to tell cause of the nature of the game at that time, but he did not seem that instrumental to them.  His all pro year in 1978 he threw 20 picks.  uggh....

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, P Riv said:

 

Striking fear into opponents:

and cakes everywhere.

[Ghost_002!]

4 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Agree.  You had a line about Montana and the 49ers which got me thinking about Terry Bradshaw's importance to the 70's steelers dysnasty.  Tough for me to tell cause of the nature of the game at that time, but he did not seem that instrumental to them.  His all pro year in 1978 he threw 20 picks.  uggh....

 

 

Yea, i was going to be sarcastic and say  you don't think Montana was an important piece to the 49ers dynasty. Basically trying to say you can check any teams dynasty or championship run and see a QB being an important piece to the puzzle. But for some who just wanna stop there, if they dig deeper they will see it's more to it than just the QB.  

[YattaOkasan]

Just now, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Yea, i was going to be sarcastic and say  you don't think Montana was an important piece to the 49ers dynasty. Basically trying to say you can check any teams dynasty or championship run and see a QB being an important piece to the puzzle. But for some who just wanna stop there, if they dig deeper they will see it's more to it than just the QB.  

Yeah I saw you editted out but i sorta wanted to rag on bradshaw after he was ragging on our boy in the Tenn game.  His wiki page where it says "Widely considered to be one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time" mustve been written by a Yinzer.  

[PatsFanNH]

10 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

Striking fear into opponents:

Lmao did you see Brady’s photo from the combine? It wasn’t much different. I dare say he makes most D even today pee themselves.. lol

[atlbillsfan1975]

10 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Absolutely, also helped he made it so others took discounts as well like Harrison, and Bruschi etc.. but a great QB isn’t all that’s needed, I mean see Shula with Marino.. they won nothing and Marino was a top 5 QB, and they made the SB once! 

Lmao in context I was just trying say how arm chair GMs are annoying for both sides. I am not saying how he will be till I see him throw ONE pass in the NFL. 

You do know Shula never won anything with Marino?

Keep coming on this board as Belichick and the Pats fade back into nothingness. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

11 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Absolutely, also helped he made it so others took discounts as well like Harrison, and Bruschi etc.. but a great QB isn’t all that’s needed, I mean see Shula with Marino.. they won nothing and Marino was a top 5 QB, and they made the SB once! 

Lmao in context I was just trying say how arm chair GMs are annoying for both sides. I am not saying how he will be till I see him throw ONE pass in the NFL. 

You do know Shula never won anything with Marino?

You can thank Kelly and the Bills for that…

[Warcodered]

52 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao did you see Brady’s photo from the combine? It wasn’t much different. I dare say he makes most D even today pee themselves.. lol

Man all these foolish teams taking QBs in peak physical condition if only they knew the secret. 🙄

Edited July 23, 2021 by Warcodered