BillsFan619 Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Logic said: I’m late to this thread, but: Draft. The Bills already have two elder statesmen and a bunch of money tied up in the d line. What they need is youth and juice. the future going forward needs to be Oliver, Epenesa, 2021 early EDGE draftee. And then in 2022, when the cap normalizes, cut Addison and draft ANOTHER youngster at edge. I don’t know anything about college players. Who would you draft as a pass rusher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Additional thoughts on Hunter.....most sacks NFL under 25 years old, production is there. The neck injury, I'm not worried about it. He only hurt it from looking up at the giant pile of money he's about to inherit lol. Seriously it's not a worrisome injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 4 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think best hope is continued improvement from Epenesa and more pressure from Ed Oliver with Star back to eat up some blocks. I thought that Epenesa was improving as the season wore on. I am not sure that the DE class this year - at least who might be available at 30 or later is very full of top pass rushers. I think they would have to pass over better prospects at other positions like CB and OL to take a DE at 30. I think Star's return...especially if he returns in good form...will help our D line as is. Players will be able to play their natural positions rather than having to fill in at 1T. Having said that, I would presume Edge will not be neglected in the draft. Beane will add a FA if one is available and affordable. He doesn't want any glaring holes in any area when the draft is here, so he doesn't have to reach for a position of need. Star's return will also have an impact on our line backer play. A key this year will be staying healthy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I think we bring in Carlos Dunlap. And prolly draft another. I believe Beane and McDermott think with star back Hughes Addison and Epenesa get it done when it matters most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Think our whole front seven needs to be reloaded. DE should definitely be the #1 priority. I like Carlos Basham. Maybe go CB RD2 and DT and LB RDs 3-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 14 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Vernon Butler- Harrison Phillips-Star Louteleiei- Justin Zimmer- 1 sack between all of them (Star was out the year but I doubt he would have made an impact there) Star’s impact is more about helping others get sacks by tying up blockers in the middle. Hard to measure that, but he is the type of player that makes others look better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I think Beane was very smart to avoid the first wave of free agency. Handing out $10-12 million per year to players like Bud Dupree and Carl Lawson has the potential to create recipe for long-term cap problems, with only marginal payback on the field. But I also think it would be a huge mistake to walk out of free agency without ANY kind of roster upgrades. Especially on defense. Simply put... Our run defense was not good enough last year. Our pass rush was not good enough last year. The AFC title goes through the Kansas City. And even with a pretty healthy roster in the Championship Game, our secondary had no answers for slowing them down. We need to improve on that side of the ball. Unfortunately for us, this is an extremely weak defensive draft. It's a fantastic draft at quarterback and wide receiver (which happen to be our two strongest positions). But there are only a handful of high-level prospects at edge rusher, tackle or cornerback. And it's totally possible all of those guys will be gone by the time we pick at #30. There are still some quality guys on the market who should be willing to sign bargain deals, who can upgrade our defense immediately. At corner, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Fuller, Richard Sherman or Malcolm Butler would be great #2 options across from Tre White. I would gladly settle for Xavier Rhodes, Quinton Dunbar or Casey Heyward. At pass rusher, I think our best bet is exploring the trade market. But we could still get a decent veteran like Jadeveon Clowney, Melvin Ingram, Carlos Dunlap, Aldon Smith or Justin Houston. I would even be interested in some of the interior guys left like Geno Atkins, Jurrell Casey, N'Damakong Suh or Sheldon Rankins who can contribute in a rotation. One of Beane's primary rules is to NOT go into the draft with a glaring need that must be addressed. Doing so ultimately leads to poor decisions like overdrafting (taking a prospect too early) or wasting valuable resources to trade up. The Bills may not have a "glaring" need in some people's eyes. But we clearly aren't good enough on defense to achieve our goal... which should be to win the Super Bowl THIS SEASON. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Green Lightning said: Not improving our edge rush and 1 tech DT is going to prove to be a major miss this season. Remember it when we can't get off the field on 3rd and 15 and give up 8 to 10 yard runs regularly. This is the exact reason why I’m all in for a Dunlap, Atkins acquisition. The Bills are SB ready now. Sanders helped the offensive side, these two will do the same defensively. Hopefully Beane will consider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Logic said: I’m late to this thread, but: Draft. The Bills already have two elder statesmen and a bunch of money tied up in the d line. What they need is youth and juice. the future going forward needs to be Oliver, Epenesa, 2021 early EDGE draftee. And then in 2022, when the cap normalizes, cut Addison and draft ANOTHER youngster at edge. I agree to this, but the Bills are in win Super Bowl now territory. TB did it with Brady, Suh, AB, Gronk, etc..The additions of Atkins, Dunlap will fix defensive problems. Still can draft youth to learn from vets as the play. Bashum or even Janarius Robinson later would be nice. Also, with Atkins/Dunlap Bills could probably draft CB in 1st. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Logic Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I agree to this, but the Bills are in win Super Bowl now territory. TB did it with Brady, Suh, AB, Gronk, etc..The additions of Atkins, Dunlap will fix defensive problems. Still can draft youth to learn from vets as the play. Bashum or even Janarius Robinson later would be nice. Also, with Atkins/Dunlap Bills could probably draft CB in 1st. Agreed. Just not sure bills can afford it unless those players are willing to take very cheap deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, mjt328 said: I think Beane was very smart to avoid the first wave of free agency. Handing out $10-12 million per year to players like Bud Dupree and Carl Lawson has the potential to create recipe for long-term cap problems, with only marginal payback on the field. But I also think it would be a huge mistake to walk out of free agency without ANY kind of roster upgrades. Especially on defense. Simply put... Our run defense was not good enough last year. Our pass rush was not good enough last year. The AFC title goes through the Kansas City. And even with a pretty healthy roster in the Championship Game, our secondary had no answers for slowing them down. We need to improve on that side of the ball. Unfortunately for us, this is an extremely weak defensive draft. It's a fantastic draft at quarterback and wide receiver (which happen to be our two strongest positions). But there are only a handful of high-level prospects at edge rusher, tackle or cornerback. And it's totally possible all of those guys will be gone by the time we pick at #30. There are still some quality guys on the market who should be willing to sign bargain deals, who can upgrade our defense immediately. At corner, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Fuller, Richard Sherman or Malcolm Butler would be great #2 options across from Tre White. I would gladly settle for Xavier Rhodes, Quinton Dunbar or Casey Heyward. At pass rusher, I think our best bet is exploring the trade market. But we could still get a decent veteran like Jadeveon Clowney, Melvin Ingram, Carlos Dunlap, Aldon Smith or Justin Houston. I would even be interested in some of the interior guys left like Geno Atkins, Jurrell Casey, N'Damakong Suh or Sheldon Rankins who can contribute in a rotation. One of Beane's primary rules is to NOT go into the draft with a glaring need that must be addressed. Doing so ultimately leads to poor decisions like overdrafting (taking a prospect too early) or wasting valuable resources to trade up. The Bills may not have a "glaring" need in some people's eyes. But we clearly aren't good enough on defense to achieve our goal... which should be to win the Super Bowl THIS SEASON. I agree largely with what you said. If the Bills reacted the way many on this board react when it comes to free agency, we'd be the Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, gobills404 said: He is talented for sure, but he has already quit football once in college due to concussions only to resurface in Miami. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 No more money. Wait for the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) Azeez Ojulari at 30. Could be a Von Miller clone. Discuss.... Edited March 20, 2021 by Mojo44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: No more money. Wait for the draft They can make money. Get Geno!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: He is talented for sure, but he has already quit football once in college due to concussions only to resurface in Miami. He just had to get his head right? 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: Azeez Ojulari at 30. Could be a Von Miller clone. Discuss.... Maybe, but he would really struggle at 4-3 DE at 6’3” and 240. I’m not sure he is as flexible/fluid as Von Miller. He IS very young as a RS Sophomore, so maybe there is upside, but he is pretty raw. Does he have the length to be effective rushing the passer in the league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 6 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Star’s impact is more about helping others get sacks by tying up blockers in the middle. Hard to measure that, but he is the type of player that makes others look better. Yeah how's that going for us? What sacks are others getting? I've hated the Star pickup from the get go and he doesn't equate to the price tag, we still get destroyed in the run game with him in there and the sack totals since he's been on our team haven't been astonishing imo. 18 hours ago, Boxcar said: Epenesa was playing like 30 pounds lighter than he did in college. He basically had to completely change the way he played and improved as the season went on. Idk how anyone could realistically expect him to lose that much bulk and just come into the league as if he was used to playing that way. Epenesa by himself isn't the reason but as a 2nd rounder even with the weight loss, 1 sack isn't acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: No more money. Wait for the draft I see what you’re saying. That said, while I don’t feel like we should mortgage our future, I really do feel like they need to try to get a free agent pass rusher. Then, develop someone in the draft. I feel that pass rusher is our missing piece right now. We have superstars at some positions, serviceable players at other positions but pass rusher is our glaring hole. You can’t expect a rookie to come in and take away that hole right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 20 hours ago, BillsFan619 said: I agree. Anybody you can think of either a remaining free agent or in the draft that could help? Why don’t you think they’re interested in either? Is it just money in your opinion? I know many on the board think Jadaveon Clowney is overrated and will be over paid. Overrated, perhaps and everyone is overpaid usually in FA but I like Clowney because even if he doesn't get to the QB regularly he's very stout against the run which is a bonus imo. The other veteran I like is Justin Houston, he's still a solid presence on the field. In the draft I really like Jaelan Phillips from Miami, if he can stay healthy, he's had multiple concussions which is always a concern but is a tremendous talent and could probably help this team right away imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I know many on the board think Jadaveon Clowney is overrated and will be over paid. Overrated, perhaps and everyone is overpaid usually in FA but I like Clowney because even if he doesn't get to the QB regularly he's very stout against the run which is a bonus imo. The other veteran I like is Justin Houston, he's still a solid presence on the field. In the draft I really like Jaelan Phillips from Miami, if he can stay healthy, he's had multiple concussions which is always a concern but is a tremendous talent and could probably help this team right away imo. I saw him referred to as looking "NFL" ready already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 If they can get Rousseau or Phillips from Miami in the draft in round 1 or 2, would either start? I know they both are considered to be starter potential year 1 but are both high ceiling players. Rousseau is a freak athlete as a Sophomore so I just don’t know that he can be impactful at that age yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 21 hours ago, Rocket94 said: Exactly...what the h...is going to be different this time with this cast! I know what I saw in the Chiefs game and it was beyond just schemes and coaching! *nods* We needed some pieces, no question. Obviously the Bills have to be very selective about where they try to improve in FA due to cap So far the offensive moves are moving on from our best "speed" WR (who struggled to get open against press man) to a much more physical route runner who is not as fast, swapping a "small offensive lineman" at TE for a lower-tier but more all-purpose TE, and upgrading at a position we hope we never see play - Backup QB. So far we kept exactly the same OL and the same RBs that couldn't run against good teams last season. So far there are no defensive moves - releasing Quinton Jefferson and renegotiating with a bunch of guys allowed us to re-sign Milano and Levi Wallace. Beane has to know that if we're going to compete better next year, we need to 'level up' on pass rush, CB #2, OL, and RB. We need SPEED. I trust Beane, but it's puzzling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: *nods* We needed some pieces, no question. Obviously the Bills have to be very selective about where they try to improve in FA due to cap So far the offensive moves are moving on from our best "speed" WR (who struggled to get open against press man) to a much more physical route runner who is not as fast, swapping a "small offensive lineman" at TE for a lower-tier but more all-purpose TE, and upgrading at a position we hope we never see play - Backup QB. So far we kept exactly the same OL and the same RBs that couldn't run against good teams last season. So far there are no defensive moves - releasing Quinton Jefferson and renegotiating with a bunch of guys allowed us to re-sign Milano and Levi Wallace. Beane has to know that if we're going to compete better next year, we need to 'level up' on pass rush, CB #2, OL, and RB. We need SPEED. I trust Beane, but it's puzzling As much as I understand the Cap and its restrictions, this is still the same team that lost to the Chiefs and barely escaped the Colts. I would somehow like to see a few tenacious and fast defenders to match up well against these teams because they are coming...especially now after the Bills success. A CB2, a DE, another LB and OL help. Singletary no! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: *nods* We needed some pieces, no question. Obviously the Bills have to be very selective about where they try to improve in FA due to cap So far the offensive moves are moving on from our best "speed" WR (who struggled to get open against press man) to a much more physical route runner who is not as fast, swapping a "small offensive lineman" at TE for a lower-tier but more all-purpose TE, and upgrading at a position we hope we never see play - Backup QB. So far we kept exactly the same OL and the same RBs that couldn't run against good teams last season. So far there are no defensive moves - releasing Quinton Jefferson and renegotiating with a bunch of guys allowed us to re-sign Milano and Levi Wallace. Beane has to know that if we're going to compete better next year, we need to 'level up' on pass rush, CB #2, OL, and RB. We need SPEED. I trust Beane, but it's puzzling Totally agree. The formula to beat KC is crystal clear. We need more speed at RB but especially at Edge. Tampa dominated Patrick. We've done well to re-up our own players but the cap money has run out. Our first 3 picks will be DE, RB and CB in any order. Speed is paramount..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: IMO, the Bills window to win the SB is now. Adding Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap will improve the pass rush from the outside and interior. The Bills can restructure some contracts to "fit" them in on 1 or 2 yr contracts. I'm hoping Beane has approached them on joining the team. I believe they would be the final two pieces needed to beat the Chiefs/TB for SB crown ditto for me. Atkins from the inside, Dunlap from the edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, stuvian said: ditto for me. Atkins from the inside, Dunlap from the edge It would be good to have two people like that on the team that know each other so well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Rocket94 said: As much as I understand the Cap and its restrictions, this is still the same team that lost to the Chiefs and barely escaped the Colts. I would somehow like to see a few tenacious and fast defenders to match up well against these teams because they are coming...especially now after the Bills success. A CB2, a DE, another LB and OL help. Singletary no! Because of the cap, if I had to choose one, it would be pass rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said: Because of the cap, if I had to choose one, it would be pass rusher. So would I...but we all know what has to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) I'm convinced Joseph Ossai is their target at pick 30. I know the Bills have scouted him in person a few times. Everything I read about him sounds like a perfect fit for what McDermott and Beane look for. He's a raw athletic talent that's still growing into the position, has a high motor and never gives up on a play. He reportedly loves playing football and practices harder than anyone. A natural leader in the locker room. If he is the pick we'll have to be patient though, he's not a day one 3-down starter. Ideally we'd sign Clowney or Kerrigan or someone of that caliber for a year while Ossai develops. I'm sure the Bills are banking on Epenesa taking a step this year as well. Edited March 21, 2021 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Locomark said: If they can get Rousseau or Phillips from Miami in the draft in round 1 or 2, would either start? I know they both are considered to be starter potential year 1 but are both high ceiling players. Rousseau is a freak athlete as a Sophomore so I just don’t know that he can be impactful at that age yet. Neither will be available past pick 20. Those two guys and Payne from Mich are the only 3 that have year 1 starter/impact potential. They all are probably gone by like I said pick 20 or so. All others are developmental prospects. 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'm convinced Joseph Ossai is their target at pick 30. I know the Bills have scouted him in person a few times. Everything I read about him sounds like a perfect fit for what McDermott and Beane look for. He's a raw athletic talent that's still growing into the position, has a high motor and never gives up on a play. He reportedly loves playing football and practices harder than anyone. A natural leader in the locker room. If he is the pick we'll have to patient though, he's not a day one 3-down starter. Ideally we'd sign Clowney or Kerrigan or someone of that caliber for a year while Ossai develops. I'm sure the Bills are banking on Epenesa taking a step this year as well. I like him quite a bit but like you said he'll pay off later not right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Neither will be available past pick 20. Those two guys and Payne from Mich are the only 3 that have year 1 starter/impact potential. They all are probably gone by like I said pick 20 or so. All others are developmental prospects. Would you be open to trading up or do you feel we need all the draft capital we can get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Totally agree. The formula to beat KC is crystal clear. We need more speed at RB but especially at Edge. Tampa dominated Patrick. We've done well to re-up our own players but the cap money has run out. Our first 3 picks will be DE, RB and CB in any order. Speed is paramount..... Speed is a killer and it showed in the Chiefs game and the Colts game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Just now, BillsFan619 said: Would you be open to trading up or do you feel we need all the draft capital we can get? Man I'm on the fence there. Maybe if one of em' fell just far enough to only cost our 3rd rounder or lower. Like HappyDays said though Ossai at 30 is still a nice prospect, you'd just have to be a bit more patient. 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They need a stud veteran.... That will require a major trade, which looks much slimmer than me lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: It's almost as if Beane is punting the offseason away... similar to McDermotts FG decisions in the Championship game. Too conservative an approach this offseason to this point... I don’t know if they’ve been too conservative (yet). They did go hard after Watt, they just didn’t get him. Also, like a few have suggested, Beane might be waiting to get the price down for one of these second-tier pass rushers that are still out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Totally agree. The formula to beat KC is crystal clear. We need more speed at RB but especially at Edge. Tampa dominated Patrick. We've done well to re-up our own players but the cap money has run out. Our first 3 picks will be DE, RB and CB in any order. Speed is paramount..... Speed at RB and Leonard Fournette hahaha...I agree we need explosive pass rushers but our RBs are better than TBs so that had nothing to do with them beating KC. Pass rush, pass rush, pass rush that’s what we need and better play by Milano in coverage. White was a monster in the super bowl...The offense will be better than it was last year even if we do nothing more on that end (although I’m sure we’re not done there either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They need a stud veteran.... I like the idea of Clowney or Kerrigan! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 29 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Neither will be available past pick 20. Those two guys and Payne from Mich are the only 3 that have year 1 starter/impact potential. They all are probably gone by like I said pick 20 or so. All others are developmental prospects. I like him quite a bit but like you said he'll pay off later not right away. Phillips has a second round grade and at least 50% of the mock drafts machines I have done still have Rousseau there. Some teams will not want to draft a 20 year old. The QB run will push a lot of talent into the high 20s.. if teams get enamored with the top RBs and WRs then one of them will be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan619 Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I like the idea of Clowney or Kerrigan! Yeah, especially if we get someone in the draft to develop. You could a guy like you mentioned above on a one year contract while you develop the pass rusher you drafted. 3 minutes ago, Locomark said: Phillips has a second round grade and at least 50% of the mock drafts machines I have done still have Rousseau there. Some teams will not want to draft a 20 year old. The QB run will push a lot of talent into the high 20s.. if teams get enamored with the top RBs and WRs then one of them will be there. I asked this to someone else in this thread as well. If your pass rusher is there in the 20s, would you be open to trading up or do you feel we need all the draft capital we can get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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