Draconator Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Oh, you're using a computer? That makes sense then. 95% of my TV watching is on a computer. YouTube TV for the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Draconator said: My thinking is with all the platforms you can watch Amazon Prime (Browser, TV App, Phone, Xbox, Blu Ray players, et. al.), and the NFL wanting to have maximum exposure, this seems like a perfect fit. I would welcome this if this does happen. We'll see how the 49ers/Cardinals game goes. If all reports are good, this would be added strength for Bezos to outbid anyone (including my employer - Verizon Media/Yahoo), for a whole NFL package, including Sunday Ticket. they need to have subscription packages on all platforms...no exclusivity deals 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwoz Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 A couple of weeks ago I was kicking around the idea that Apple might be in a position to buy Sunday Ticket to add to its Apple TV streaming service. Apple is sitting on a mountain of cash. The company, however, tends to buy smaller companies as part of a search for talent and intellectual property. I've also seen a report that suggests Comcast might be in a good position to bid for Sunday Ticket. It could bolster its Peacock streaming service as well as its cable TV business. Another thought is that the NFL might divvy up broadcast rights to Sunday Ticket among several streaming and cable companies to keep anti-trust lawyers at bay. In any event, 2022 looks like it's going to be a busy year for the NFL and the broadcast industry: DirecTV’s exclusive deal to carry the NFL Sunday Ticket expires after the 2022 season; The league’s current TV contracts with networks such as ESPN, Fox and CBS are also scheduled to end after the 2022 season. So things could get interesting, but not soon enough for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 I guess what I don’t understand is why the NFL just doesn’t do this themselves? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Just now, chris heff said: I guess what I don’t understand is why the NFL just doesn’t do this themselves? I sure hope that doesn't happen. The NFL app, Game Pass, and their customer service are awful, so Sunday Ticket through the NFL would probably be similarly neglected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, notwoz said: A couple of weeks ago I was kicking around the idea that Apple might be in a position to buy Sunday Ticket to add to its Apple TV streaming service. Apple is sitting on a mountain of cash. The company, however, tends to buy smaller companies as part of a search for talent and intellectual property. I've also seen a report that suggests Comcast might be in a good position to bid for Sunday Ticket. It could bolster its Peacock streaming service as well as its cable TV business. Another thought is that the NFL might divvy up broadcast rights to Sunday Ticket among several streaming and cable companies to keep anti-trust lawyers at bay. In any event, 2022 looks like it's going to be a busy year for the NFL and the broadcast industry: DirecTV’s exclusive deal to carry the NFL Sunday Ticket expires after the 2022 season; The league’s current TV contracts with networks such as ESPN, Fox and CBS are also scheduled to end after the 2022 season. So things could get interesting, but not soon enough for me. First off: Great post! I can't see Apple making a play for this, or getting that deep into sports programming. Comcast is a possibility, but if they were get into a bidding war with Amazon, Amazon wins. Plus Amazon would be able to get into more homes right now. Comcast/Xfinity would need to buy smaller cable companies to give it a wider reach (Peacock streaming not withstanding). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, chris heff said: I guess what I don’t understand is why the NFL just doesn’t do this themselves? The NHL already does that. I'm thinking after the Directv contract is up the NFL may go to that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Someone help me with this because I don’t like paying Directv all that money every year for Sunday ticket but I live in Mississippi and my internet is satellite not that great for streaming all the time. So my worry is even no I hate paying direct I no I can watch my bills every year on my 65’ tv. So if direct stops what would I do I guess if dish or someone like that got in on the action would be better for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 4 hours ago, dorquemada said: AT&T is desperately trying to unload 49% of DTV to raise some cash. DTV is worth a whole lot less without the ticket. I’d argue it is essentially worthless without it. Even if they keep it though my bet would be the NFL peeling back a bunch more games for national timeslots to sell off to ESPN or amazon or whomever. I’ve been saying for 20 years that a pay per view option by game would be fine by me I would rather pay 25$ a game on pay per view then 160$ a month for Directv. With all the ways to watch tv or really movies I would love to just buy a game win it’s not on prime time. But that’s to easy and you better believe the NFL knows that’s. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins90 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 I never understood why Direct TV just doesn't let anyone get the Ticket, now that streaming is available. They'd make more money that way than forcing people to sign up. If venture there are plenty of people who would pay full price for just the ticket for streamingthan today who works sign up for Direct TV to get it for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notwoz Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 15 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: I never understood why Direct TV just doesn't let anyone get the Ticket, now that streaming is available. They'd make more money that way than forcing people to sign up. If venture there are plenty of people who would pay full price for just the ticket for streamingthan today who works sign up for Direct TV to get it for free. If they let anyone get Sunday Ticket, without being chained to DirecTV, no one would bother to subscribe to DirecTV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Watkins90 said: I never understood why Direct TV just doesn't let anyone get the Ticket, now that streaming is available. They'd make more money that way than forcing people to sign up. If venture there are plenty of people who would pay full price for just the ticket for streaming than today who works sign up for Direct TV to get it for free. Their business is selling satellite TV, they wouldn't last long term as just a Sunday Ticket reseller. Although their future looks pretty dim right now as it is -- Starlink is looming. 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This would save me so much money. Last DTV contract was $12B, doubtful Bezos will throw that in as a freebie. There will be an upsell for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, notwoz said: If they let anyone get Sunday Ticket, without being chained to DirecTV, no one would bother to subscribe to DirecTV. But would the additional revenue from those who refuse to subscribe to DIRECTV make up the difference? Assuming a $400 price for non DIRECTV subscribers, that’s around 4-8 months of billing from a basic package subscriber. If you can get 4-8 months, up front, by offering the Sunday ticket as a stand alone, might just work. I actually think the smartest move would be to tether it to your wireless service. Offer stand alone Sunday ticket to ATT wireless unlimited subscribers only. Edited December 27, 2020 by PetermansRedemption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 You guys know this has been discussed at nauseous every few months four years and years. Nothing has changed. Yes, the NFL is trying out the streaming option, but DirectV pays obscene $ for the ticket because they would probably lose 65% of their subscriptions without it. Just now, machine gun kelly said: You guys know this has been discussed at nauseous every few months four years and years. Nothing has changed. Yes, the NFL is trying out the streaming option, but DirectV pays obscene $ for the ticket because they would probably lose 65% of their subscriptions without it. Nauseum, auto correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I’d love nothing more than to think back on ‘the old days’ when I had to scramble around nefarious websites just after kickoff to find a game link, only to have it seize up every 5 minutes -and 🤦♂️ #GIMME PRIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 It was choppy and low-res the entire time it was on last night using spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 30 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: It was choppy and low-res the entire time it was on last night using spectrum. Interesting. It was error free and perfect here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Better hide the last can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 19 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: I wish whoever buys it does like an individual team package as well. I don’t want every game just Bills games that aren’t nationally televised Yep, I’m hoping for that. Just pay for individual games, like their movies that aren’t free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: You guys know this has been discussed at nauseous every few months four years and years. Nothing has changed. Yes, the NFL is trying out the streaming option, but DirectV pays obscene $ for the ticket because they would probably lose 65% of their subscriptions without it. Nauseum, auto correct. AT&T continues to try and find a buyer for Directv. It wouldn’t be a surprise if they just cut their losses. I was just reading that they lost over 600K Directv customers last Qtr and it was an improvement over prior Qtrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I loved the option of switching to different audio commentary. The regular announcers were trash, but the "scouts" commentators were actually really good. They knew football, talked Xs and Os, and generally brought far more candid insight than what you normally get during any NFL broadcast. More importantly, though, they were having fun, which made their banter a joy to listen to. It was like watching the game with a few buddies. If the NFL goes this route, it would be a no-brainer to make home and away radio coverage available as listening options, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 I always see people wanting “their team only” and assuming they will get some great discount if that is an option. By and large that is exactly what you pay for with directs. Out of market fans ARE the Sunday ticket customers. Yeah you get the other games but how many people watch them? All the available games are in two time slots so who would pay for a second 1 pm game anyway? Yes there will probably be changes to how you can watch the bills but it won’t be cheaper. The other thing is the ticket is more valuable to a secondary performer like directv than say amazon. Amazon has their customers so they don’t need some lost leader to attract and retain cumstomers like dtv does. That is why a lot of people get discounts or free ticket each year. And the pirate options will always be there too so someone has to subsidize those guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN-Bills Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 17 hours ago, notwoz said: DirecTV’s exclusive deal to carry the NFL Sunday Ticket expires after the 2022 season; I wasn't able to get the 49ers/Cardinals game on Sunday Ticket yesterday so it looks like Amazon took the "exclusive" away from DirecTV for one game. First time I can remember that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 If that happens DirectTV is done.... not sure how long that contract is but that would be a big contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Directv is done anyways. The technology is passed by. The only holdout was archaic rules set by the current fcc that favor telecom monopolies. At&t has been trying to squeeze their satellite customers into the overpriced streaming service, and there are too many better and cheaper options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickrage Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 On 12/26/2020 at 12:28 PM, CaptnCoke11 said: I wish whoever buys it does like an individual team package as well. I don’t want every game just Bills games that aren’t nationally televised I’ve been saying this for years either a game by game purchase or sign up for the whole season at a discount or buy the entire leagues slate of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 My theory is that NFL will go the route of MLB and simply have their own packages unrelated to directv. Whether it is through Amazon, google, or Microsoft. The partnership will be great for both sides if they don't get stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Could see Amazon picking it but but not Prime only in that you're talking about a package that was costing $300 to $400 full price, now to include that in Prime membership for $130 a year. I'd be thrilled if they did as currently have Prime, but can't see it being part of Prime. On the other hand with all the illegal but readily available free streams, can't see people spending much with Amazon for it either. Maybe $100 Bills package only, or $200 for the entire package could sell it. A friend has told me the quality of the illegal streams has got quite good too with few if any interruptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 I think Amazon would consider having it as part of Prime Video but at an extra cost. I can't see Amazon making the money off of it needed to justify the huge money. 112 million Americans have Amazon Prime, so how many more would go buy Amazon Prime for 130 dollars a year or so just for the NFL? I would imagine some would but the NFL Sunday Ticket contract currently costs about 1.5 billion a year, I currently think that in 2023 when that deal expires it would likely cost Amazon 2 billion a year to get that contract. That would mean that Amazon would likely need to add 14-20 million more Prime subscribers (depending on if they subscribe all year or just for football season) to make the economics work. And with 112 million Americans I think Amazon would probably charge less money than Direct TV as they would likely treat the product as a loss leader to get more people into their ecosystem. But I still think they would need to have a 150 dollar charge for it on top of the Amazon service fee. I would be mighty tempted to sign up for it as I already have Prime from my job so to pay about 10 dollars a game to watch the Bills and get the rest of the NFL is solid value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghs24mike Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Didnt read through all the comments, but I think the best option is to do three packages. Full Sunday Ticket, Team Package, buy games a la carte. I would pay $5.99 to watch a game that isn't nationally televised. It makes too much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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