Prioritize which upcoming UFA’s to re-sign

[Dkollidas]

Big 3 are Milano, Feliciano, and Williams. I believe that’s how the organization would prioritize their re-signings.
 

Tackles are usually valued higher than guards or linebackers but...

 

1) our defense is linebacker driven, and we only usually play two, which means they need to be good.

 

2) Beane has been able to find a lot of offensive line talent, and it’s been coached up well by Bobby Johnson. But the run game only really started to get going once Feliciano came back. 
 

3) Feliciano is a leader in the room and I think that means a lot to McBeane. He can also play center in a pinch without losing much from Morse. Also, guards usually come cheaper than tackles, so keeping Feliciano will be about $5M-$7M cheaper than keeping Williams. 
 

so I believe the organization will be able to bring back Milano and Feliciano, and that Williams will go and get a well deserved big pay day somewhere else. 

[Mcdermott]

3 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

Big 3 are Milano, Feliciano, and Williams. I believe that’s how the organization would prioritize their re-signings.
 

Tackles are usually valued higher than guards or linebackers but...

 

1) our defense is linebacker driven, and we only usually play two, which means they need to be good.

 

2) Beane has been able to find a lot of offensive line talent, and it’s been coached up well by Bobby Johnson. But the run game only really started to get going once Feliciano came back. 
 

3) Feliciano is a leader in the room and I think that means a lot to McBeane. He can also play center in a pinch without losing much from Morse. Also, guards usually come cheaper than tackles, so keeping Feliciano will be about $5M-$7M cheaper than keeping Williams. 
 

so I believe the organization will be able to bring back Milano and Feliciano, and that Williams will go and get a well deserved big pay day somewhere else. 

A lot depends on cap and Morse situation. There are reports the cap situation may not be as dire and it may allow them to sign all 3. 

[JustWinPlease]

With how AJ Klein has looked, I think the Bills could draft a linebacker in the top-3 rounds and turn him into Matt Milano.

Protecting Josh Allen is the biggest priority of this team...they need to keep Williams and Feliciano, or find adequate replacements.

Edited December 15, 2020 by JustWinPlease

[Motorin']

This is an off-season convo for me. And that is so refreshing!

[somnus00]

I don't envy the decisions that Beane will have to make. But this is the price of being a good GM in the NFL. You have to be willing to let good players walk. And you must draft well. I absolutely loved the signing of Williams. But it will be hard to keep him and Milano. Also, we have to make sure there's enough money to sign Josh and Edmunds to extensions (I believe these are the priorities for Beane and McDermott).

 

Then you have to expect that Diggs will want a raise soon.

[JustWinPlease]

10 minutes ago, somnus00 said:

I don't envy the decisions that Beane will have to make. But this is the price of being a good GM in the NFL. You have to be willing to let good players walk. And you must draft well. I absolutely loved the signing of Williams. But it will be hard to keep him and Milano. Also, we have to make sure there's enough money to sign Josh and Edmunds to extensions (I believe these are the priorities for Beane and McDermott).

 

Then you have to expect that Diggs will want a raise soon.

He's probably going to want that raise this offseason, after putting up a career season and helping Josh Allen get there too.

[LABILLBACKER]

21 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

With how AJ Klein has looked, I think the Bills could draft a linebacker in the top-3 rounds and turn him into Matt Milano.

Protecting Josh Allen is the biggest priority of this team...they need to keep Williams and Feliciano, or find adequate replacements.

1. Allen

2. Williams 

3. Feliciano 

....the Milano contract will be more complicated. Obviously we need to see what cap level is available? 

[Mango]

I like Milano but I am tempted to let him walk.

 

Williams has played well, Mongo is maybe our best lineman. and we may need a C depending on what Morse does this offseason regarding his health. We need to stop reshuffling the line every year. I probably try and sign Williams to a 2-3 year deal and draft a cheaper replacement to start grooming now. I would try and kick the can down the road with Milano and hope he takes a cheap "prove it" sort of deal given his recent injuries this year. I think we just need to find an athlete to rotate with Klein going forward and we should be OK. 

[NewEra]

We will live and die on the arm and legs of Josh Allen.  Keeping him protected is our #1 priority for the next 12+ years.

 

williams

mongo

milano

 

I say Williams first because he plays the more important position compared to mongo.  Williams play vs Watt increased his value.  We have to keep him....as long as his price tag isn’t astronomical.  The question is.... what’s astronomical.  I was thinking 10-12 mill a year would be the max.  Now I’m thinking his tag went up and could be as much as 15 mill a year.  If that’s the case, can we afford to pay him?  Idk.  Getting nauseous just thinking about it,  Beane has some work to do.

 

Mongo has the additional value in that he can also play center. He seems to be the heart and soul of the OL.  What’s he cost? 5-6 mill a year? Make it happen.  He’s a glue guy that performs well.

 

I love Milano. I want to keep Milano.  That said, this is a number game.  Salary cap numbers.  The numbers tell me we can’t sign everyone and injury prone players should be among those that aren’t kept, regardless of how good they are.  If he wants to take 8 mill a year, maybe we can make it work.  Imo, we can’t keep him if he’s getting paid 13+

[JustWinPlease]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

We will live and die on the arm and legs of Josh Allen.  Keeping him protected is our #1 priority for the next 12+ years.

 

williams

mongo

milano

 

I say Williams first because he plays the more important position compared to mongo.  Williams play vs Watt increased his value.  We have to keep him....as long as his price tag isn’t astronomical.  The question is.... what’s astronomical.  I was thinking 10-12 mill a year would be the max.  Now I’m thinking his tag went up and could be as much as 15 mill a year.  If that’s the case, can we afford to pay him?  Idk.  Getting nauseous just thinking about it,  Beane has some work to do.

 

Mongo has the additional value in that he can also play center. He seems to be the heart and soul of the OL.  What’s he cost? 5-6 mill a year? Make it happen.  He’s a glue guy that performs well.

 

I love Milano. I want to keep Milano.  That said, this is a number game.  Salary cap numbers.  The numbers tell me we can’t sign everyone and injury prone players should be among those that aren’t kept, regardless of how good they are.  If he wants to take 8 mill a year, maybe we can make it work.  Imo, we can’t keep him if he’s getting paid 13+

No chance you're getting Felciano for less than like $7-8M a year.

16 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

1. Allen

2. Williams 

3. Feliciano 

....the Milano contract will be more complicated. Obviously we need to see what cap level is available? 

Really hoping the cap goes up a little bit, otherwise we might be able to keep only one of these guys.

[Dkollidas]

I know Williams played well against Watt. But he also got burned pretty well by Bosa. So it’s not like he’s perfect. I just wonder if he’s going to be looking for the biggest deal he can get. Played a rookie contract, then got a 1yr $6M from Carolina and a 1yr $2.5M deal from us... I could see him getting $13M+ on the market. I think Beane has shown a talent for finding linemen (he put this entire line together minus the fact he didn’t draft Dawkins). I think he could replace Williams if needed. And adding a rookie to the group would help with the cap spent on the O-Line. 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said:

No chance you're getting Felciano for less than like $7-8M a year.

Really hoping the cap goes up a little bit, otherwise we might be able to keep only one of these guys.

We’ll see.  His projection was lower than that the cap may be going down.  He loves Bobby johnson, his teammates and the city. If his going rate is 7 mill a year, I could see him staying here for 6

[dpberr]

Of the three, Feliciano would be my top priority.  He's really solid at two positions on the line, and in my opinion, the most consistent lineman the Bills have.  I'd want to keep that versatility and consistency.  

 

 

[MAJBobby]

Sign Feliciano -  5-6M AAV

Sign Williams - 6-8M AAV

 

Let Milano Walk

Cut Morse

 

Rd 1 - Kyle Pitts - TE

Rd 2 - Chaz Surratt, LB

Rd 3 - Brenton ox Jr - Edge

 

Spotrac has Milano pegged around 10M AAV.

 

So I am thinking 8M AAV keeps him as well.  I think I would be ok at 8M AAV nothing more if it will take more I am moving on.

 

 

Also CB2 is already on this Roster in Dane Jackson

Edited December 15, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Dkollidas said:

Big 3 are Milano, Feliciano, and Williams. I believe that’s how the organization would prioritize their re-signings.
 

Tackles are usually valued higher than guards or linebackers but...

 

1) our defense is linebacker driven, and we only usually play two, which means they need to be good.

 

2) Beane has been able to find a lot of offensive line talent, and it’s been coached up well by Bobby Johnson. But the run game only really started to get going once Feliciano came back. 
 

3) Feliciano is a leader in the room and I think that means a lot to McBeane. He can also play center in a pinch without losing much from Morse. Also, guards usually come cheaper than tackles, so keeping Feliciano will be about $5M-$7M cheaper than keeping Williams. 
 

so I believe the organization will be able to bring back Milano and Feliciano, and that Williams will go and get a well deserved big pay day somewhere else. 

Wouldn't you want to protect your QB with bookend tackles? Bills showed they can win without Milano/Feliciano. Williams is a right tackle and the price tag for a RT differs from a LT. Would like to keep Feliciano/Milano, but can live without them.

[Solomon Grundy]

17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Sign Feliciano -  5-6M AAV

Sign Williams - 6-8M AAV

 

Let Milano Walk

Cut Morse

 

Rd 1 - Kyle Pitts - TE

Rd 2 - Chaz Surratt, LB

Rd 3 - Brenton ox Jr - Edge

 

Spotrac has Milano pegged around 10M AAV.

 

So I am thinking 8M AAV keeps him as well.  I think I would be ok at 8M AAV nothing more though

MAJ, I'm with you here except I'd go LB, CB, TE. Zaven Collins next to Edmunds will probably have the two biggest, fastest LBs in the NFL. Levi is adequate but could use an upgrade. Kenny Yeboah or Charlie Kolar in the 3rd.  Edge is a need too. Chris Rumph is a sleeper. 

29 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

I know Williams played well against Watt. But he also got burned pretty well by Bosa. So it’s not like he’s perfect. I just wonder if he’s going to be looking for the biggest deal he can get. Played a rookie contract, then got a 1yr $6M from Carolina and a 1yr $2.5M deal from us... I could see him getting $13M+ on the market. I think Beane has shown a talent for finding linemen (he put this entire line together minus the fact he didn’t draft Dawkins). I think he could replace Williams if needed. And adding a rookie to the group would help with the cap spent on the O-Line. 

Bosa was killing Dawkins too. Wouldn't releasing Morse help cap? Use Morse money on Williams 

Edited December 15, 2020 by Solomon Grundy

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

MAJ, I'm with you here except I'd go LB, CB, TE. Zaven Collins next to Edmunds will probably have the two biggest, fastest LBs in the NFL. Levi is adequate but could use an upgrade. Kenny Yeboah or Charlie Kolar in the 3rd.  Edge is a need too. Chris Rumph is a sleeper. 

I hear that.  When I ran my Sim I had No LBer of value so went with Pitts (best player on board by FAR).

 

I also dont need a CB early IMO.  My CB2 is on this roster right now, wait until he gets a full offseason (Dane Jackson).

 

I also thought OT (alot of value there in 2nd) but already Signed Williams, so next best position where values was at (with the simulation) was LBer.  

 

Cox in the Third on the simulation was just too good of value to pass on, but did look at some IOL there.

[Royale with Cheese]

44 minutes ago, Mango said:

I like Milano but I am tempted to let him walk.

 

Williams has played well, Mongo is maybe our best lineman. and we may need a C depending on what Morse does this offseason regarding his health. We need to stop reshuffling the line every year. I probably try and sign Williams to a 2-3 year deal and draft a cheaper replacement to start grooming now. I would try and kick the can down the road with Milano and hope he takes a cheap "prove it" sort of deal given his recent injuries this year. I think we just need to find an athlete to rotate with Klein going forward and we should be OK. 

 

I was leading the parade for re-signing Milano.  I still prefer we do but your last sentence makes sense.

Draft a guy on day two who is a coverage linebacker who probably fell because he's not very good in run support.  This guy will be a "3rd down" specialist.

[947]

Williams

Feliciano

Milano

 

I think we'll see a lot of money come off the books with cuts & there's a chance we bring back all 3.

[MAJBobby]

I do think with Morse getting ANOTHER concussion this year.

Ford Coming back next year (LG)

 

I could see them Signing Feliciano to play Center, and move Ike to RG, or find another RG (like they did with Spain and Williams). Cutting Morse for cap space and health (maybe he retires), But I do think it would be completely irresponsible to NOT Sign Feliciano and plan for life after Morse (it is coming sooner than later IMO).

 

Also a little Wild Card is Bates (he has NEVER looked out of place when he has played).

[Dkollidas]

10 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

MAJ, I'm with you here except I'd go LB, CB, TE. Zaven Collins next to Edmunds will probably have the two biggest, fastest LBs in the NFL. Levi is adequate but could use an upgrade. Kenny Yeboah or Charlie Kolar in the 3rd.  Edge is a need too. Chris Rumph is a sleeper. 

Bosa was killing Dawkins too. Wouldn't releasing Morse help cap? Use Morse money on Williams 

Then who plays center? Feliciano? Then you need a guard too? And if you start Ford coming off injury and Boettger who isn’t very proven, where’s your depth?

 

Also, I think left tackle is important because of the blindside aspect. 

But I think with the amount of teams trying to run pressure through the middle, guard is an underrated position. 

[mjt328]

1.  Matt Milano - I know people think he's injury-prone, but this defense is so much better when he's in the lineup.

2.  Daryl Williams - It was hard to choose between the two O-Line starters, but it seems tougher to find tackles than guards.

3.  Jon Feliciano - See above, although I would really hate to see him go.

4.  Andre Roberts - He has shown his value as a returner this year.

5.  Isaiah McKenzie - Fun gadget guy that I would like to keep around.

 

Draft Priorities (assuming we can sign the guys above):

1.  CB2

2.  Edge Rusher

3.  Tight End

4.  Linebacker Depth

5.  Running Back (speed guy)

 

 

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

30 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Sign Williams - 6-8M AAV

 

 

 

Dreams are free I guess...

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

Then who plays center? Feliciano? Then you need a guard too? And if you start Ford coming off injury and Boettger who isn’t very proven, where’s your depth?

 

Also, I think left tackle is important because of the blindside aspect. 

But I think with the amount of teams trying to run pressure through the middle, guard is an underrated position. 

With My Idea

 

LT - Dawkins

LG - Ford

C - Feliciano or Bates

RG - Boettger or Bates

RT - Williams

 

Depth:

Bates (if he doesnt win a spot in Starting lineup) - Plays all 5 positions

Trey Adams - OT

Devey - OG

Harrison - OG/C (started in this league)

Harrell - OG

 

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Dreams are free I guess...

I called Spains Number perfect, and InCognitos number perfect as well.  I am pretty good at nailing the number on re-signing price

Edited December 15, 2020 by MAJBobby

[Mango]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I was leading the parade for re-signing Milano.  I still prefer we do but your last sentence makes sense.

Draft a guy on day two who is a coverage linebacker who probably fell because he's not very good in run support.  This guy will be a "3rd down" specialist.

 

I would prefer we re-sign him as well. But we don't know the cap situation next year, or going forward for that matter, if the NFL decides to average some things out. If I HAAAAD to pick, I would rather bite on the OL and look for a physio freak to see if we can use in coverage. If Klien had not stepped up recently, I may feel better. 

I do think there is a chance we can get Milano on a year or two prove it deal. 

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

I called Spains Number perfect, and InCognitos number perfect as well.  I am pretty good at nailing the number on re-signing price

 

You are cheap here

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

You are cheap here

Maybe a 1M off and go up to 9M, but based on comparables and a depressed market I think I am pretty spot on.

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Maybe a 1M off and go up to 9M, but based on comparables and a depressed market I think I am pretty spot on.

 

Appreciate the market will be down but I think he has been tremendous this year. ..

 

I'll say minimum $10M a year.. $40M for 4 years half guaranteed...maybe even higher...

 

Ill put a caveat in there - thats subject to him testing the market.. maybe he loves it here and takes less to stay like Spain did last year without going to the market... 

 

 

[Bob in STL]

I would have a hard time letting Williams go.  
 

Feliciano can replace Morse at a discount.  
 

Milano is the tough one.  His coverage skills and playmaking will be hard to replace.  Hopefully we can afford to keep him on a team friendly shorter term deal.  

[Solomon Grundy]

7 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

Then who plays center? Feliciano? Then you need a guard too? And if you start Ford coming off injury and Boettger who isn’t very proven, where’s your depth?

 

Also, I think left tackle is important because of the blindside aspect. 

But I think with the amount of teams trying to run pressure through the middle, guard is an underrated position. 

They have 3 linemen on the practice squad for guard depth. Yes, I'd go Dawkins, Boettger, Mongo, Ford, Williams. Depth players- Nsekhe, Bates(tackles). All of those practice squad players were poached from other teams so they have prior NFL experience. Morse concussion problem and pay is concerning. He's not as stout at center. Jmo

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

The one thin g to me is kind of scary is the Bills only have 40 players signed to a contract for next season.  Considering they now have very good strong team counting on more than 4 to 5 draft picks to make he 53 is risky so that means they need to sign at least 10 replacements.  While I agree the 3 mentioned above makes alot of sense, they will need to do some serious out right cuts or pay cuts.

 

Cut Brown, Butler, Morse, and Addison frees up around $25 mil

 

Dane Jackson has looked very good, but two years ago all the talk was how Levi Wallace was the answer and also the Un drafted WR we had, can't recall his name.  So I'm a little skeptical of saying he's the answer with such limited playing time.

 

To me biggest needs are LB and CB particularly if they don't resign Milano.

[YattaOkasan]

1 hour ago, JustWinPlease said:

He's probably going to want that raise this offseason, after putting up a career season and helping Josh Allen get there too.

What?  Hes under contract til 2023 and we moved up some money for him so I dont think hes gonna make that type of noise at all.

 

I think we can sign all three (see Gregg Tompsett's breakdowns, he nailed the Tre and Dawkins contracts, on multiple pod casts) but if told to prioritize

Milano (Critical to defense would make it incentive laden)

Williams (Tackles is the most important position of the 3)

Feliciano (Guards are the least valued position, though I love him).

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Cut Brown, Butler, Morse, and Addison frees up around $25 mil

 

 

 

You gotta keep Brown for one more year...

 

You cant guarantee that you can replace that speed, and they need weapons to go head to head with KC..

[YattaOkasan]

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

counting on more than 4 to 5 draft picks to make he 53 is risky

This is sorta where we will be in a couple years though when Josh gets extended.  You need your picks to provide value at the bottom of roster as depth.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

40 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Wouldn't you want to protect your QB with bookend tackles? Bills showed they can win without Milano/Feliciano. Williams is a right tackle and the price tag for a RT differs from a LT. Would like to keep Feliciano/Milano, but can live without them.

 

We need to upgrade the offensive line, not backslide.

 

The valuable thing about Feliciano is that "positional flexibility" the Bills cherish at OL.  He's the "Honey Badger" of our offensive line, Center, LG, RG.  He Don't Care.   Morse is a good center, but he's also one whack away from a week or more off (or retirement) on every snap.  As far as Williams, he looks like the solution we've been seeking for years at RT, so I'm in favor of trying our best to keep him.

 

I'm sure they want to keep Milano, but that's going to depend upon 1) what he wants 2) what other people offer him.

[Einstein's Dog]

4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Cut Brown, Butler, Morse, and Addison frees up around $25 mil

 

Dane Jackson has looked very good, but two years ago all the talk was how Levi Wallace was the answer and also the Un drafted WR we had, can't recall his name.  So I'm a little skeptical of saying he's the answer with such limited playing time.

 

To me biggest needs are LB and CB particularly if they don't resign Milano.

Cut Brown?  Smoke Brown?  No way.  He elevates this offense.  And the continuity would be nice.

 

Cut Norman, Morse, Murphy (technically I guess it is not re-signing him).  Keep Addison, maybe jettison Butler. 

And yes, Dane Jackson has looked good but don't forget Gaines is due back and I thought he would be the starter (while he was healthy of course). 

 

Sign:  Mongo, Williams, then Milano.  It's  possible.  Draft another D lineman, another O lineman, and maybe a TE or CB for the pipeline.  Keep  this team rolling.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

11 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

You gotta keep Brown for one more year...

 

You cant guarantee that you can replace that speed, and they need weapons to go head to head with KC..

 

The only way I see him returning is if he agrees to a big pay cut. 

 

Agree the speed is needed, but can you guarantee he will still have his speed next year?  Lots been written how 30 plus YO WR with  knee and leg issues often lose a bit of their speed.  Can't see keeping Davis as the #4 WR  when you only go 4 wide less than 30% of the time.  Sign a mid level FA who is a burner for less money to replace unless he takes the pay cut.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Cut Brown?  Smoke Brown?  No way.  He elevates this offense.  And the continuity would be nice.

 

Cut Norman, Morse, Murphy (technically I guess it is not re-signing him).  Keep Addison, maybe jettison Butler. 

And yes, Dane Jackson has looked good but don't forget Gaines is due back and I thought he would be the starter (while he was healthy of course). 

 

Sign:  Mongo, Williams, then Milano.  It's  possible.  Draft another D lineman, another O lineman, and maybe a TE or CB for the pipeline.  Keep  this team rolling.

 

Really?? In only three games this years he's had more than 4 catches, so how much has he really elevated?  They have a lot of upcoming FA that are playing actively in games and contributing that will need to replace.  WR is the one deep position the team has.

Edited December 15, 2020 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

The only way I see him returning is if he agrees to a big pay cut. 

 

Agree the speed is needed, but can you guarantee he will still have his speed next year?  Lots been written how 30 plus YO WR with  knee and leg issues often lose a bit of their speed.  Can't see keeping Davis as the #4 WR  when you only go 4 wide less than 30% of the time.  Sign a mid level FA who is a burner for less money to replace unless he takes the pay cut.

 

Lets see how he looks when he comes back in a week or two... Im quitely confident that he can add another dimension to an O that has been pumping these last few weeks without him...

 

He may agree to drop $1M to $1.5M next year as I doubt he good get much more than $6M on the open market...

[BearNorth]

Wish Morse was built more like Eric Wood.  Something comforting about a C that can take on 325 pound nose tackles with minimal help.  This Morse is a bit slight and that hurts our running game.  Do we let him go? Move Feliciano to C, and draft a stud guard [Cody can't stay healthy and might cost too much].

 

[ChanticleerBillsFan]

At some point during a build you have to let some good players walk and draft to fill. It feels very good to be able to say that. That being said I would say outside LB is going to be easier to fill in Round 1/2 vs RT. I re-sign Williams. Feliciano shouldn’t be very cost prohibitive IMO