Neo Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, FUTURIST said: He threw a jump ball. Nice throw but when a receiver makes a catch in triple coverage against great pass defenders, the receiver made the play. Who were the great pass defenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, dave mcbride said: He was outjumped because hopkins is a lot taller and has a huge wingspan. Can’t do much about that. you can if you put tall people who can jump back there. Honestly what do you have to lose if Allen is back there? Ok so Allen gives up a TD to Hopkins, the result is the same, but at least a head coach tried to do something creative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, HappyDays said: I don't blame the DBs. You aren't going to out jump DeAndre Hopkins and they can't interfere with him. They made it so that only a perfect throw and catch would have been a TD. The play is on Addison for getting greedy and diving at Murray instead of pursuing him and making it impossible to get off a good throw. Hopkins a great player made a great play. It happens agree. Rationale thought at lease bye week came a perfect time. Let our guys heal. Just now, IronMaidenBills said: you can if you put tall people who can jump back there. Honestly what do you have to lose if Allen is back there? Ok so Allen gives up a TD to Hopkins, the result is the same, but at least a head coach tried to do something creative. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 36 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Honestly tre couldn't have done much more. He high pointed that perfect. Beat by a phenomenal play. Looks like poyer and hyde had one hand up trying to swat the ball but they were out of position. Tre on the other hand had two hands up and in position... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 It sucks. But all you can do is tip your cap. They made the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Good analysis. Poyer should have just crashed into Hopkins instead of jumping for the ball. I was saying Poyer was playing another man.. smartass so he was late to the play... watch again Ethan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Poyer could have at least gotten on him knees so White could have jumped off his back. They had time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, Neo said: So commit pass interference! maybe az scores on the next play from the 1 yard line, maybe not. hard to know what is going through those guy's heads or what they've been coached to do. i doubt it is to mug the receiver. i have a hard time understanding why fellow bills fans would rather blame our own guys vs chalking it up to a fluke unbelievable play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 50 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Bye week perfect time. Unfortunately, I think the bye has come a week too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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astb41 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Tre was going to rip it out of Hop’s hands but the momentum of Poyer knocked Tre out of the way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, beer said: maybe az scores on the next play from the 1 yard line, maybe not. hard to know what is going through those guy's heads or what they've been coached to do. i doubt it is to mug the receiver. i have a hard time understanding why fellow bills fans would rather blame our own guys vs chalking it up to a fluke unbelievable play I would love to know what was going through their heads and what they were coached to do ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt_In_NH Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 29 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: They all tried to catch it. Hopkins is taller then all of them and clearly jumps higher. Sack Murray Oliver? Knock it down don’t catch it. Cousin of laces out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, buffalobillswin said: And it's not like Nuke is 6'4. He's 6'1. Unacceptable and downright embarrassing. Wow I really didn’t no that does make it more terrible he sure plays like he’s 6-4. White wasn’t even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Irv said: Four Guys vs Hopkins I guess they needed Five Guys? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) Back in the 2004 season, the Bills lost the home opener to Jacksonville on a 4th down td pass with no time left on the clock. The Jags receiver caught the ball in triple coverage because none of the Bills Dbs tried to knock it down. This was right after a miracle throw on a 4th and 14 where the Bills Nate Clements went for an INT instead of knocking it down that resulted in a massive gain. At the end of that season the Bills lost to the Steelers 3rd strings and missed the playoffs by a game. Every game counts and if all you need to do is knock the ball down instead of an INT then knock the f'ing ball down! Edited November 16, 2020 by Livinginthepast brain cramp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Back in the 2004 season, the Bills lost the home opener to Jacksonville on a 4th down td pass with no time left on the clock. The Jags receiver caught the ball in triple coverage because none of the Bills Dbs tried to knock it down. This was right after a miracle throw on a 4th and 14 where the Bills Donte Whitner went for an INT instead of knocking it down that resulted in a massive gain. At the end of that season the Bills lost to the Steelers 3rd strings and missed the playoffs by a game. Every game counts and if all you need to do is knock the ball down instead of an INT then knock the f'ing ball down! I don't know how much you care about the details but Whitner was drafted in 2006... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haze_21 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) Tre has a 32" vert, Micah 33. Hopkins has 36. None of these guys are freak athletes just naturals and good technicians. No one played it poorly but with Poyer coming in from front with his leverage you hope he gets a hand on it. Then again his vert is 30. You run that 50 times they might not complete again. Im ok with it in the long run it doesn't matter much and we are still in driver seat. Watching the replay Micah is probably most responsible as from behind he could time the play on the ball best Edited November 16, 2020 by Haze_21 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, Reader said: I don't know how much you care about the details but Whitner was drafted in 2006... Sorry Nate Clements! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: They couldn’t swat it. Only hopkins, who is taller than all of them and has crazy long arms and a great vertical, could get at it. Amazin play. Hats off. Why couldn’t tre swat it? He was in perfect position to knock it away. Stick one arm up and the ball bounces away and we win. It’s a very easy thing to do with the position he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Cal said: They are a lot shorter than Hopkins. That's why. McDermott should of put Davis or Knox back there. Bad coaching. Bigger bodies defending a Hail Mary help. Maybe Edmunds as an option. Seemed like Poyer did more harm than good as he knocked White? off the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, Locomark said: I was saying Poyer was playing another man.. smartass so he was late to the play... watch again Ethan. There should of been two players in front of Hopkins he’s the only one who can make that play. Or never let the guy off the line pull a Bill belichick put two guys on him at the line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 It was 2 guys on Hopkins. Poyer was late to the party. It basically came down to DeAndre out jumping Tre. We had no answer all day long for Murray. He's better than Lamar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) Was there any "hands team" players on the field for the Bills for that play? Edited November 16, 2020 by Livinginthepast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Why couldn’t tre swat it? He was in perfect position to knock it away. Stick one arm up and the ball bounces away and we win. It’s a very easy thing to do with the position he had. It was over his hands. Did people not watch the play or not have an awareness of hopkins’ amazing wingspan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Bigger bodies defending a Hail Mary help. Maybe Edmunds as an option. Seemed like Poyer did more harm than good as he knocked White? off the play. That's gonna be a subject that will be brought up all week. Why did you not have a taller player back there like Edmunds or a TE. Oh wait we don't have any TE's. My bad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: It was over his hands. Did people not watch the play or not have an awareness of hopkins’ amazing wingspan? Stick both arms up in the air as high as you can. Now stick one arm up in the air as high as you can. which one was higher? Look at the pic earlier in the thread. Sticking one arm up would have been higher and knocked the ball away. I’m not sure why you don’t understand this. Edited November 16, 2020 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, 97bills said: Wow I really didn’t no that does make it more terrible he sure plays like he’s 6-4. White wasn’t even close Do some research on his wingspan. In sports that require leaping, your height is defined by wingspan. It’s why 6’10” hakeem olajuwon was taller than all of the seven footers he played against. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Seemed like Poyer did more harm than good as he knocked White? off the play. That’s exactly correct. I think it gets knocked down if Poyer doesn’t come in late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 52 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: They couldn’t swat it. Only hopkins, who is taller than all of them and has crazy long arms and a great vertical, could get at it. Amazin play. Hats off. hes 6’1 - let’s not act like he’s a foot taller. To catch the ball on a 50 yard heave over guys just swatting shouldn’t happen unless they’ve missed the play somehow. that many were running back towards the goal line on a play 45 yards out that late probably wasn’t ideal either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, Not at the table Karlos said: Stick both arms up in the air as high as you can. Now stick one arm up in the air as high as you can. which one was higher? I have no idea what your point is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Do some research on his wingspan. In sports that require leaping, your height is defined by wingspan. It’s why 6’10” hakeem olajuwon was taller than all of the seven footers he played against. his arm is 1 inch longer than tre whites 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: hes 6’1 - let’s not act like he’s a foot taller. To catch the ball on a 50 yard heave over guys just swatting shouldn’t happen unless they’ve missed the play somehow. that many were running back towards the goal line on a play 45 yards out that late probably wasn’t ideal either. See above. Wingspan of a 6’8”-6’9” person. Measured height is really deceiving when it comes to leaping sports. 3 minutes ago, NoSaint said: his arm is 1 inch longer than tre whites And he is two inches taller and had a 36” vertical to tre’s 32” vertical. Come on, folks. Accept that what happened was a great play by an elite player. Edited November 16, 2020 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: I have no idea what your point is. You’re acting like Hopkins is 6’10 and jumped 6’ over tre. My point is you’re wrong. Tre got both hands on the ball. He was right there with Hopkins. If he would have knocked it down instead of going for pick we win. Go back and watch it again and look at the screen shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, Not at the table Karlos said: You’re acting like Hopkins is 6’10 and jumped 6’ over tre. My point is you’re wrong. Tre got both hands on the ball. He was right there with Hopkins. If he would have knocked it down instead of going for pick we win. Go back and watch it again and look at the screen shots. 36” vertical to 32”. 6’1 to 5’11. Bigger wingspan. Strongest hands in the league. Do the math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, dave mcbride said: 36” vertical to 32”. 6’1 to 5’11. Bigger wingspan. Strongest hands in the league. Do the math. What does any of that matter when they both got their hands on the ball? 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: 36” vertical to 32”. 6’1 to 5’11. Bigger wingspan. Strongest hands in the league. Do the math. If tre knocks it away the strongest hands in the league don’t matter because the ball wouldn’t have got to them. Smh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: See above. Wingspan of a 6’8”-6’9” person. Measured height is really deceiving when it comes to leaping sports. And he is two inches taller and had a 36” vertical to tre’s 32” vertical. Come on, folks. Accept that what happened was a great play by an elite player. and catching is a lot harder than swatting. it was a great play by a great player. I think a great play by a great player likewise could’ve stopped it. I’m not saying cut them all or it’s the end of the world. yea- in a pure jump off Hopkins can get his finger tip 6-7 inches higher. With one guy going for a catch of a ball heaved 50 yards while getting hit, grabbed and falling to the ground, and the other just trying to touch the ball... the defender should be at an advantage there still. He got outplayed by a great player there. Not shameful but won’t say there was no chance to stop it. Edited November 16, 2020 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I have no idea what your point is. Using one hand gives you an extra 3-4 inches to get to the ball compared to 2 hands is what im guessing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Just now, NoSaint said: and catching is a lot harder than swatting. it was a great play by a great player. I think a great play by a great player likewise could’ve stopped it. I’m not saying cut them all or it’s the end of the world. yea- in a pure jump off Hopkins can get his finger tip 6-7 inches higher. With one guy going for a catch while getting hit, grabbed and falling to the ground, and the other just trying to touch the ball... the defender should be at an advantage there still. He got outplayed by a great player there. Not shameful but won’t say there was no chance to stop it. Fair. That said, I remain in awe of how good Hopkins is. Might be the worst trade of the decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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