Week 10 Postgame Thread: Bills at Cardinals 4:05 pm EST on CBS

[Hapless Bills Fan]

53 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

One of your guys has to make that play though. It’s really as simple as that. 

 

There are a number of our guys who could have made a different play, then it doesn’t come down to a last-second Hail Mary.  It’s as simple as that.  

 

Earlier plays in the drive.  Being able to complete the pressure and not let him set and throw.  Etc.

[Peter]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Ugh.   Can you try to accurately represent the viewpoints of people you disagree with?  If “we did all we could do and you are happy” is what you’re taking from what others are saying, I’m afraid the “echo chamber” may be in a different location than you infer.    

 

And since that’s a rather politicized term, choose another one next time, please.

 

I think I have.  Echo chamber also is an accurate description of the responses I have gotten from a couple of guys.

 

I think we should have defended the play better. Generic and some others think there is nothing that could have been done. We disagree.

 

In the process, I was called a troll after being a member here for two decades.  This discussion has reminded me why I hardly come by anymore after I used to spend hours here. Given that you are a moderator, you may want to consider that.

 

Be well.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

28 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Yep and that’s on the coaches.

 

There’s no need why you should have 2 guys so close to the corpse of Fitzgerald 15 yards down the field. The objective is to defend the end zone. 

 

Except if the pass was to the “corpse of Fitzgerald” 15 yds down the field and he trucks 10 yds and gets out of bounds, then we can hear that we should have covered Fitzgerald.  There were 11 seconds left.  If they are confident in their ability to get out of bounds, that’s 2 play territory.

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There are a number of our guys who could have made a different play, then it doesn’t come down to a last-second Hail Mary.  It’s as simple as that.  

 

Earlier plays in the drive.  Being able to complete the pressure and not let him set and throw.  Etc.

For sure and I agree.

 

But at the end of the day the ball is in the air and you have 3 vs 1. One of those guys has to knock it down. You have heavy odds/physics on your side and one of those 3 have to make a play.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Peter said:

 

I think I have.  Echo chamber also is an accurate description of the responses I have gotten from a couple of guys.

 

I think we should have defended the play better. Generic and some others think there is nothing that could have been done. We disagree.

 

In the process, I was called a troll after being a member here for two decades.  This discussion has reminded me why I hardly come by anymore after I used to spend hours here. Given that you are a moderator, you may want to consider that.

 

Be well.

 

You were not called a troll, Peter.  You were told what you’re saying is “based on an inaccurate understanding of the situation and the rules of football to almost trolling levels”.  Not the same thing.  

 

I don’t think a “reasonable man” calls your response an accurate description of what people are saying, but it’s probably all of a piece with your belief that the above is the same thing as someone calling you a troll or saying hyou’re trolling.

 

Yes, we should have defended the play better but that does involve more than the DBs in the end zone.

[BADOLBILZ]

25 minutes ago, pigpen65 said:

Mario Addison had him dead to rights and i don't think he ended up even touching him. That signing was a complete disaster. IMO, when coupled with replacing Lawson with him, i think it's Bean's worst since he's been GM. 

 

 

At worst Addison and Shaq are a wash...........Addison isn't exceptional by any means but he has more sacks and TFL's than Shaq and he also has played some of the Alexander role so he's had several passes defensed and has some positional versatility.

 

In Miami Shaq looks like the guy that played for Rex and then had his 5th year option turned down by Beane........not the guy who was playing his hardest for a contract last year.

 

If you think Shaq could do better against Murray you are likely wrong...............and the Fish are stuck with him until then because the dead cap next year would be over $10.5 M.

 

Addison's job isn't safe with his dead money only being $4M.

 

Far from Beane's worst move.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Anyone hear what the players or McD had to say about that Hail Mary? 

[Success]

Can anyone explain why the nation is celebrating like the Bills are the Patriots and won 6 Super Bowls?

 

People are jubilant that we lost this game - far beyond just being excited about an amazing play in a neutral game.  It's weird.  We just got through decades of one of the worst decades-long fan experiences in the history of fandom.

 

 

[whatdrought]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

There are a number of our guys who could have made a different play, then it doesn’t come down to a last-second Hail Mary.  It’s as simple as that.  

 

Earlier plays in the drive.  Being able to complete the pressure and not let him set and throw.  Etc.

 

Addison whiffed on Murray (which many do) and didn't even really affect him... Many things go into a once in a lifetime play happening, we could have done much to prevent it, but sometimes there's an element of luck. It didn't bounce our way. 

[Peter]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You were not called a troll, Peter.  You were told what you’re saying is “based on an inaccurate understanding of the situation and the rules of football to almost trolling levels”.  Not the same thing.  

 

I don’t think a “reasonable man” calls your response an accurate description of what people are saying, but it’s probably all of a piece with your belief that the above is the same thing as someone calling you a troll or saying hyou’re trolling.

 

Yes, we should have defended the play better but that does involve more than the DBs in the end zone.

 

It is funny how you took offense to the phrase "echo chamber" but not a peep about the use of the word "trolling."  

 

If someone criticized your knowledge of football "to almost trolling levels," I dare say you would have interpreted it the same way.

 

Again, as a moderator, you may want to consider why I (someone who became a member here at least 7 years* before you) hardly come by anymore.  

 

* I actually joined before then. The site was changed and the date that is now reflected is when the site was updated or changed.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 minute ago, Success said:

Can anyone explain why the nation is celebrating like the Bills are the Patriots and won 6 Super Bowls?

 

People are jubilant that we lost this game - far beyond just being excited about an amazing play in a neutral game.  It's weird.  We just got through decades of one of the worst decades-long fan experiences in the history of fandom.

 

 

people probably want to keep us down and irrelevant. Want the losers to stay losers.

[buffaloboyinATL]

30 minutes ago, njbuff said:

Who’s already over it?

 

I am

I’m over it. Offense won the game... then a miracle happened. What can you do but say congrats. 

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

Can anyone explain why the nation is celebrating like the Bills are the Patriots and won 6 Super Bowls?

 

People are jubilant that we lost this game - far beyond just being excited about an amazing play in a neutral game.  It's weird.  We just got through decades of one of the worst decades-long fan experiences in the history of fandom.

 

 

 

Because the national narrative of Josh being a bust and Kyler being the midget son of Zeus with stupid hair and a nose better suited for the face of a 2 year old is something the media enjoys?...

[popcornpam]

5 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Anyone hear what the players or McD had to say about that Hail Mary? 

Yes, he said he took the time out because he wanted to rest the pass rushers.  He also said that the players shouldn’t have tried to intercept the ball and he didn’t think that that play was going to be the last play of the game.

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

Can anyone explain why the nation is celebrating like the Bills are the Patriots and won 6 Super Bowls?

 

People are jubilant that we lost this game - far beyond just being excited about an amazing play in a neutral game.  It's weird.  We just got through decades of one of the worst decades-long fan experiences in the history of fandom.

 

 

There’s a pretty large group of fans who hate the Bills. Find our fans to be obnoxious and the team/players to be insufferable. 
 

There was a fan poll that said Josh was one of the top 3 (I think) biggest whiners in the NFL. McDermott was also top 3 amongst coaches and the Bills overall were polled pretty high there as well. 
 

It is what it is... people also know Tua from Alabama and he’s the trendy QB to like... all they’ve been told for 3 years is Josh sucks... so they want to make fun of him when he comes up short. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

For sure and I agree.

 

But at the end of the day the ball is in the air and you have 3 vs 1. One of those guys has to knock it down. You have heavy odds/physics on your side and one of those 3 have to make a play.

 

The physics of the situation include that Nuk Hopkins has 4” of measured combine vertical leap and 2” of height on Tre’ White, 3” of vertical and 1” of height on Hyde.  The WR also has the advantage of practicing with Murray day in and day out and has a better idea of the ball’s arc and timing.  It’s really not a “heavy odds on your side” situation.

 

In addition, White and Hyde were both on the injury report for ankle injuries this week, with Hyde questionable going into the game.

 

The third guy, Poyer, possibly interfered with Tre White’s attempt to make a play - I need to watch different angles 

 

I think I heard that there have been 39 Hail Marys thrown and half of them win the game.  

 

If Mario Addison doesn’t fall down or dive at Murray or whatever he did, and if there is more or different pressure containing Murray in the pocket, the outcome might also be different.

 

The bottom line to me is what both Josh Allen and McDermott said - that it should never have come down to that play.

[Turk71]

No one moved him off his spot or boxed out. Those plays are usually wild scrums and I can't remember if I've ever seen a penalty on one. The Bills didn't even touch him hardly. That was weak, he should have been stopped by any means. Also, why do teams give the QB so much time on Hail Mary's when that's exactly what they need? The prevent defense allowing them up the field in no time with no resistance whatsoever, setting them up for that play. Where were the tall guys in the end zone? A bunch of little dbs and Hopkins. Put a couple tall receivers back there. That was so ***** weak. Sickening. Embarrassing.

  On the brighter side they are 7-3 and have a bye week to forget about that tragic ending. So predictable that the Bills get up by 14 and then start running into stacked boxes and stop scoring. Finish the ***** job next time.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Watched the replay for the first time, does poyer hold up due to 1. Trying to catch the ball 2. Not wanting a PI or 3. Not wanting to hit Tre?

 

Honestly looks like he didnt want to knock tre out of the way

[wvbillsfan]

We’ve lost to the

8-1 Chiefs 

6-3 titans (who had 16 days to prepare for a game)

6-3 Cardinals 

Wins against jets twice 

6-3 raiders 

6-3 Seahawks 

pats (finally) 

6-3 Dolphins

6-3 rams 

 

My gosh what a tough schedule. With the injuries we’ve had I’ll take 7-3 At the bye with the Chargers on deck 

[BillsFan692]

1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Watched the replay for the first time, does poyer hold up due to 1. Trying to catch the ball 2. Not wanting a PI or 3. Not wanting to hit Tre?

 

Honestly looks like he didnt want to knock tre out of the way

He should have just drilled the entire bunch.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, JGMcD2 said:

There’s a pretty large group of fans who hate the Bills. Find our fans to be obnoxious and the team/players to be insufferable. 
 

There was a fan poll that said Josh was one of the top 3 (I think) biggest whiners in the NFL. McDermott was also top 3 amongst coaches and the Bills overall were polled pretty high there as well. 
 

It is what it is... people also know Tua from Alabama and he’s the trendy QB to like... all they’ve been told for 3 years is Josh sucks... so they want to make fun of him when he comes up short. 

 

Which is totally weird to me because most people seldom watch the Bills - I can count our appearances in a national game in the last 10 years without taking off my right mitten.

 

I’m not disbelieving you if you feel you have reason to believe that, and I know about the poll, I just find it strange.

 

Josh does have the narrative and it’s amazing how it influences - they put up Josh’s and Murray’s stats side by side and talk as though Murray whupped us with his arm when their passing stats are pretty close.  

 

Oh well.  Let’s Piss everyone off and come back from the Bye and Win!

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 minutes ago, popcornpam said:

Yes, he said he took the time out because he wanted to rest the pass rushers.  He also said that the players shouldn’t have tried to intercept the ball and he didn’t think that that play was going to be the last play of the game.

Re trying to intercept the ball, I think he is right. I know there is a debate over whether the players Could Have knocked the ball away or Not, but you wonder if they could have raked across Hop’s arms. Even tipping the ball would have helped.

[buffaloboyinATL]

I hate hearing Hail Murray already. That one's gonna stick. 

[BillsFan619]

42 minutes ago, Success said:

Can anyone explain why the nation is celebrating like the Bills are the Patriots and won 6 Super Bowls?

 

People are jubilant that we lost this game - far beyond just being excited about an amazing play in a neutral game.  It's weird.  We just got through decades of one of the worst decades-long fan experiences in the history of fandom.

 

 

I could be wrong but I think it has more to do with it being such a great play. I remember my family went nuts when Rogers connected on two Hail Mary passes in back-to-back years. By the way we were cheering, you would’ve thought we were Packers fans but we’re obviously not.

 

It sucks to be on the wrong end of it but it was an incredible play if you’re a fan of football.

Edited November 16, 2020 by BillsFan619

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, wvbillsfan said:

We’ve lost to the

8-1 Chiefs 

6-3 titans (who had 16 days to prepare for a game)

6-3 Cardinals 

Wins against jets twice 

6-3 raiders 

6-3 Seahawks 

pats (finally) 

6-3 Dolphins

6-3 rams 

 

My gosh what a tough schedule. With the injuries we’ve had I’ll take 7-3 At the bye with the Chargers on deck 

 

I know, three weeks ago if you’d told most of this board we would beat NE and split the Seasnakes and Zona we would have been ecstatic.  Some were insisting we would lose all 3.

[BillsFanSD]

6 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I’m over it. Offense won the game... then a miracle happened. What can you do but say congrats. 

For the record, the defense played as well as you could have realistically expected them to play.  Except for one play, of course.  But we never take the lead with 37 seconds left to go if it wasn't for the defense.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I hate hearing Hail Murray already. That one's gonna stick. 

 

Then we have to make sure it rings hollow next time we play

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The physics of the situation include that Nuk Hopkins has 4” of measured combine vertical leap and 2” of height on Tre’ White, 3” of vertical and 1” of height on Hyde.  The WR also has the advantage of practicing with Murray day in and day out and has a better idea of the ball’s arc and timing.  It’s really not a “heavy odds on your side” situation.

 

In addition, White and Hyde were both on the injury report for ankle injuries this week, with Hyde questionable going into the game.

 

The third guy, Poyer, possibly interfered with Tre White’s attempt to make a play - I need to watch different angles 

 

I think I heard that there have been 39 Hail Marys thrown and half of them win the game.  

 

If Mario Addison doesn’t fall down or dive at Murray or whatever he did, and if there is more or different pressure containing Murray in the pocket, the outcome might also be different.

 

The bottom line to me is what both Josh Allen and McDermott said - that it should never have come down to that play.

I don’t know. I think you’re reaching with all due respect sir. I do understand what you’re saying don’t get me wrong.

 

But If Murray throws that 10 times, I bet 9 times that play gets knocked down.

 

Theres a reason why it’s being called a “Hail Mary” all around the league right now.

[whatdrought]

Regardless of what you think about this team after this game, it's a ***** taste to linger in the mouth for two weeks. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, BillsFanSD said:

For the record, the defense played as well as you could have realistically expected them to play.  Except for one play, of course.  But we never take the lead with 37 seconds left to go if it wasn't for the defense.

 

I don’t agree that the defense played as well as one could have realistically expected them to play, nor that it was except for one play.

 

I do agree that the D gave us that opportunity to take the lead.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

He should have just drilled the entire bunch.

I would have been for that. I'll always be of the mind of make the ref make a call

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said:

We’ve lost to the

8-1 Chiefs 

6-3 titans (who had 16 days to prepare for a game)

6-3 Cardinals 

Wins against jets twice 

6-3 raiders 

6-3 Seahawks 

pats (finally) 

6-3 Dolphins

6-3 rams 

 

My gosh what a tough schedule. With the injuries we’ve had I’ll take 7-3 At the bye with the Chargers on deck 

might be the toughest schedule the Bills have ever had, outside of the dumpster fire that occupies the Jersey swamp.

[BillsFan619]

33 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I know, three weeks ago if you’d told most of this board we would beat NE and split the Seasnakes and Zona we would have been ecstatic.  Some were insisting we would lose all 3.

It was a brutal schedule, bro!

 

All of our losses have come against six win teams. Of course, there are some that say that all the wins we have against 6 win teams doesn’t count. But the Dolphins are awesome by getting past the two win Chargers. 🙄

 

Four of our next six games our teams with below .500 records. Let’s go out and show them who we are.

Edited November 16, 2020 by BillsFan619

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I don’t know. I think you’re reaching with all due respect sir. I do understand what you’re saying don’t get me wrong.

 

But If Murray throws that 10 times, I bet 9 times that play gets knocked down.

 

Theres a reason why it’s being called a “Hail Mary” all around the league right now.

 

I don’t really know what the statistics are but someone was saying that there aren’t that many thrown, but those that are are more successful than generally believed. 🤷‍♂️

I don’t know - I’m sure it will come out.  

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

For the record, the defense played as well as you could have realistically expected them to play.  Except for one play, of course.  But we never take the lead with 37 seconds left to go if it wasn't for the defense.

We had arguably our 3 best defenders, White, Hyde and Poyer,  in place to make a play and end he game. Murray and Hopkins just happened to make one of the best plays of the season to win the game. I just can’t be angry about that. It happens. 
 

[BillsFan130]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don’t really know what the statistics are but someone was saying that there aren’t that many thrown, but those that are are more successful than generally believed. 🤷‍♂️

I don’t know - I’m sure it will come out.  

Fair enough. Maybe you’re right.

[whatdrought]

One of my favorite angles on all of this is that the two WR's that got traded before this season caught game winning TD's... 

[JGMcD2]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Which is totally weird to me because most people seldom watch the Bills - I can count our appearances in a national game in the last 10 years without taking off my right mitten.

 

I’m not disbelieving you if you feel you have reason to believe that, and I know about the poll, I just find it strange.

 

Josh does have the narrative and it’s amazing how it influences - they put up Josh’s and Murray’s stats side by side and talk as though Murray whupped us with his arm when their passing stats are pretty close.  

 

Oh well.  Let’s Piss everyone off and come back from the Bye and Win!

Oh yeah... and then the CBS panel must’ve had it in their script to gush about Murray at the half because well... his numbers were underwhelming and they spliced together some scrambles where he escaped sacks where he was going to lose 7-8 yards and instead lost 1-2 and then said how great he was. Then they flashed the stats and he had like 17 yards rushing... couldn’t help but chuckle. 
 

People need to wise up and realize the short little blurbs do a great job of telling the exact story the media wants you to know. 

[Bangarang]

27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Except if the pass was to the “corpse of Fitzgerald” 15 yds down the field and he trucks 10 yds and gets out of bounds, then we can hear that we should have covered Fitzgerald.  There were 11 seconds left.  If they are confident in their ability to get out of bounds, that’s 2 play territory.

I don’t think there’s a logical “except” about this situation. If you’re the Bills, you would have no problem with a completion to Fitz there. All it does it waste time and best case scenario is he gets out of bounds with enough time to take a shot at the end zone. 

[wvbillsfan]

9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I know, three weeks ago if you’d told most of this board we would beat NE and split the Seasnakes and Zona we would have been ecstatic.  Some were insisting we would lose all 3.

Exactly. After every loss the sky is falling. But big picture we are in great shape.