Edmunds on last play...

[Rc2catch]

6 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

You know you don't have to participate in threads you don't personally approve of, right?

 

And what is it with the "anti-whiner" crowd here?  You realize you're whining too, right?

 

When did whining about people discussing football become a thing?

 

At least folks "whining" about the team are actually commenting on football, which is why we're here.

These comments complaining about other fans are just idiotic and contribute nothing to the conversation.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your comment. Very insightful. 
I contributed. I asked for alternatives to playing Edmunds. Problem is there’s 7-10 guys who just want to say “he sucks” on multiple threads but have no actual solutions or ideas to improve the play from that position. So what’s the point? That’s not discussing football that’s just being a whiny lil brat. 

[LabattBlue]

9 hours ago, bobobonators said:

What we need is a DT, DE and 1 LB. in that order

 

Butler, Addison and Klein?

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

14 hours ago, Sargent Hulka said:

Yeah, he was pushed back ten yards there.

 

It looks like that was Rex Burkhead that just pushed him back 10 yards. This defense just looks so bad right now, its so bad that I can't watch that side of the ball anymore. If Edmunds is injured to the point where Burkhead pushes him 10 yards he should probably go on IR.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

12 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

That's the fattest running back I've ever seen. He must be around 300 lbs.

 

Not saying Edmunds was good today but I'm also not sure this is a great example of a poor play by him. 

The 300lb RB is behind the 203lb RB, it looks like the 203lb RB makes the first contact and jolts Edmunds back and then the 300lb RB gets a hand on him after the fact.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

14 hours ago, KCNC said:

I looked at my wife and one point and said "is Edmunds even in the game?"  He's awful.  If he's hurt, get him out of there.

Did she educate you that yes he’s the second leading tackler? 

[HOUSE]

It was clearly the wind blowing Edmunds backwards

 

Edited November 2, 2020 by HOUSE

[Thurman#1]

 

15 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said:

 

Watch him. Disgusting. Week in and out, same BS from him.

 

 

Good lord, you're going to blame that on 49?

 

Not one but two guys get to him unblocked, they both hit him and it's his fault? Jeez, people on here are willing to ignore anything to maintain opinions that didn't particularly make sense even when they were formed.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

It looks like that was Rex Burkhead that just pushed him back 10 yards. This defense just looks so bad right now, its so bad that I can't watch that side of the ball anymore. If Edmunds is injured to the point where Burkhead pushes him 10 yards he should probably go on IR.

 

 

Please, dude. 

 

It's extremely clear that they both got hands on him, within a tenth of a second of each other. 76 was half on Edmunds, his right hand is on his shoulder, and half ramming himself into Burkhead's back pushing him forward. That's 310 pounds of Wynn and 215 of Burkhead.

 

Yes, Wynn separates and only Burkhead is on him for awhile and Wynn connects with him again later, further on down the field. But the initial impact is with both of them hitting him together.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

You know you don't have to participate in threads you don't personally approve of, right?

 

And what is it with the "anti-whiner" crowd here?  You realize you're whining too, right?

 

When did whining about people discussing football become a thing?

 

At least folks "whining" about the team are actually commenting on football, which is why we're here.

These comments complaining about other fans are just idiotic and contribute nothing to the conversation.

 

 

 

The difference being he's complaining about whiny little posters while you're whining about a 6-2 team in a winning effort.

 

10 hours ago, bobobonators said:

Wynn engages him 2x

 

the first time its almost simultaneous with Burkhead and then the second time its when hes 2-3yds away. But the first contact is Wynn and Burkhead at the same time which is what drives Edmunds back a few yards; its that second engagement that youre focusing on. It wasnt burkhead alone that drove him back initially 

 

 

Yes, this.

 

Was it Wynn, not Vollmer? Now I have to go check. 

 

EDIT: You're right, it's Wynn, I'll go edit.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

10 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Please, dude. 

 

It's extremely clear that they both got hands on him, within a tenth of a second of each other. 76 was half on Edmunds, his right hand is on his shoulder, and half ramming himself into Burkhead's back pushing him forward. That's 320 pounds of Vollmer and 215 of Burkhead.

 

Yes, Vollmer separates and only Burkhead is on him for awhile and Vollmer connects with him again later, further on down the field. But the initial impact is with both of them hitting him together.

Burkhead made first contact and basically started Edmunds into his back pedal. 76 maybe got one arm on him but he didn't get a good hit on Edmunds. The point is Edmunds is getting very good at jogging backwards, I wonder if he drives his car better backwards as well.

[Thurman#1]

 

11 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Burkhead made first contact and basically started Edmunds into his back pedal. 76 maybe got one arm on him but he didn't get a good hit on Edmunds. The point is Edmunds is getting very good at jogging backwards, I wonder if he drives his car better backwards as well.

 

 

Nonsense. Burkhead and Wynn hit him at virtually the same time, Wynn is able to get such good contact that he gets his right hand, the inside hand on him very solidly, while his left appears to not be able to reach him because it's behind Burkhead. Most of Wynn's body is behind Burkhead forcing him forward into Edmunds. Wynn got his whole weight behind the play pushing both Edmunds himself and also forcing Burkhead forward into him. They both get excellent contact and full impact. 

 

You can see Edmunds' shoulder fly back off Wynn's hand and the rest of Wynn's weight including his outside hand is right on Burkhead like he's the snowplow and Burkhead is the blade.

 

Yes, Wynn separates after that, but only after getting full contact right at first impact.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Billever76]

1 hour ago, Back the Blue said:

Butler, Addison and Klein?

Addison id keep...he is serviceable from a rotation standpoint

[billykay]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

Nonsense. Burkhead and Wynn hit him at virtually the same time, Wynn is able to get such good contact that he gets his right hand, the inside hand on him very solidly, while his left appears to not be able to reach him because it's behind Burkhead. Most of Wynn's body is behind Burkhead forcing him forward into Edmunds. Wynn got his whole weight behind the play pushing both Edmunds himself and also forcing Burkhead forward into him. They both get excellent contact and full impact. 

 

You can see Edmunds' shoulder fly back off Wynn's hand and the rest of Wynn's weight including his outside hand is right on Burkhead like he's the snowplow and Burkhead is the blade.

 

Yes, Wynn separates after that, but only after getting full contact right at first impact.

You are trying to defend someone who is a major disappointment and unless his play improves drastically, will not have his 5th year option picked up. If you and the others want to argue about one play, go right ahead. His overall play so far has been pretty bad for whatever reason.

[Thurman#1]

On 11/3/2020 at 3:03 AM, billykay said:

You are trying to defend someone who is a major disappointment and unless his play improves drastically, will not have his 5th year option picked up. If you and the others want to argue about one play, go right ahead. His overall play so far has been pretty bad for whatever reason.

 

 

I'm arguing one play because they started talking about it and went on and on and on. I didn't bring it up.

 

There are other plays where it looks like he made mistakes or couldn't hold up his end. When people mention them, I don't argue. But a play like that where it's obviously not his fault, yeah, I like to point out bad arguments when I find them.

 

And I've never argued that his play has regressed. It has. I've said again and again that the question isn't whether he's regressed, it's why. He has an injury, Lotulelei is gone and the whole system just isn't working right now. That's to blame for an awful lot of it, I believe. Not all, I don't think. But likely a lot.

Edited November 5, 2020 by Thurman#1

[akcash]

On 11/1/2020 at 5:30 PM, wvbillsfan said:

You ever been hit

by two guys that are pulling. I don’t care who you are, you’re going backwards. 

I will be honest... in HS I took on a 270lbs pulling guard and a full back... rb bounced outside and I drove the RB back 5 yards and made the tackle... It was probably the best play of my career..

 

With that being said I agree with you. That was on the first level. Its different when the lineman and 2nd player build up speed/momentum on the 2nd level. 2nd level you're done.

Edited November 5, 2020 by akcash

[akcash]

I'll be honest I'm very critical of Edmunds... I watch every snap of him on D... I will say against the Titans I thought he played horribly. Other than that I think alot of the blame is on the Dline getting nudge out of their gap sometimes. Phillips and Zimmer would be the 5th guy in the middle on most teams. They simply haven't been very good. Edmunds can be frustrating to watch but I don't think this scheme and script is doing him any favors and he has backup DTs in front of him and Klein besides him. I think with a better supporting cast he looks like an all star...

 

We didn't draft him for his run stopping ability tho. We drafted him for his presence in the middle in pass coverage. Hes young I'm willing to ride it out with him even tho its frustrating to watch sometimes.

Edited November 5, 2020 by akcash

[Jobot]

Not a football guy here.. but if two offensive players are leading the way, doesn't someone have to just occupy them? Did he do his job in this play allowing the interior defense to come in to make the play?

 

I guess maybe holding your ground a little bit would be preferred but that was a lot of mass coming at him.

[BullBuchanan]

Edmunds is horrifically bad. Preston Brown is still a free agent and that seems like an upgrade. Tell Edmunds to lose weight and move to safety.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Burkhead drove him straight backwards.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Burkhead drove him straight backwards.

 

I see it like this, burkhead got underneath him to knock him off balance, and wynn pushed them both which appeared to really screw up his balance.  

[Tenhigh]

On 11/1/2020 at 6:18 PM, kkim0904 said:

what is Edmund ***** 10 yard behind line of scrimmage on the running play.

When does that happen on this play? You mean after the fullback and lineman both blocked him? 

Edited November 5, 2020 by Tenhigh

[RochesterLifer]

Edmunds was doing his job, 1/11. By drawing Burkhead and the offensive lineman to him, away from Newton, he created a lane for Zimmer to swoop in and punch the ball out. Everyone sacrifices in victory.

[Chaos]

2 hours ago, RochesterLifer said:

Edmunds was doing his job, 1/11. By drawing Burkhead and the offensive lineman to him, away from Newton, he created a lane for Zimmer to swoop in and punch the ball out. Everyone sacrifices in victory.

My sarcasm detector is not working create. Is this post intended as sarcasm?

[RochesterLifer]

27 minutes ago, Chaos said:

My sarcasm detector is not working create. Is this post intended as sarcasm?

😄 Just joking around.

[billsfan_34]

Havent been a fan of his play. That said he has been imjured, DL right s not good and well, I feel we have piled on him enough the past few weeks 

[kota]

He was against two guys, has a bum shoulder, and was out because of a knee and he still fought like hell.

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

On 11/1/2020 at 5:21 PM, Coach Tuesday said:

You want him to do what, beat two blockers?

He looks like John Wendling used to look when the Bills made him play linebacker.

 

Keith Ellison was like this too, just defended for years for mediocre play.

 

It doesn’t matter now where he was drafted, or how young he is, he’s a terrible player. 
 

He would make up for it if he forced turnovers. But you’re getting a goose egg there too.

 

Plays 97% of snaps.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Havent been a fan of his play. That said he has been imjured, DL right s not good and well, I feel we have piled on him enough the past few weeks 

“Piled on”

 

I think we like Beane and want the pick to work so we talk about bum shoulders, and how young he is, and blame the defensive line.

[billsfan_34]

58 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

“Piled on”

 

I think we like Beane and want the pick to work so we talk about bum shoulders, and how young he is, and blame the defensive line.

OK

[SoCal Deek]

Why is it so hard for me people to see that Edmunds is just too tall and skinny to play MLB? (I had hoped he’d add some weight as he grew older and had a professional training table staff to help him.) The body type challenge persists, is absolutely obvious, and has been for some time now. While tall and skinny are both assets in pass defense they are huge liabilities against the run. The coaching staff took the gamble that the NFL had become a passing league and went with Edmunds, who I'm guessing they assumed could drop into coverage to defend guys like Gronk. Unfortunately the opposition watches film too and has figured out it’s just simpler to pound it down our throats.

Edited November 6, 2020 by SoCal Deek

[Old Coot]

I think Edmunds will continue at MLB.  Why?  The Bills play Tampa-2 a lot.  With two deep safeties there's a hole in the center of the field in front of & between the safeties.  Edmunds has the speed to fill that hole.  Think Urlacher's role with the Bear's D.  A thumper at MLB doesn't have the speed or agility to do that.