Lorax discusses Tremaine Edmunds

[BADOLBILZ]

8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

 

I love it when some internet dude explains how when an expert says something, because it disagrees with what the dude thinks, the expert must be saying the opposite of what he really means.

 

And it always ends up with the dude summing up by saying, roughly, "See? He's saying 'Yes,' which clearly means 'no,' and when you look at it in this way, the expert's total disagreement with me clearly shows how right I am."

 

It always says more about the internet dude than it does about the expert.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, when you don't produce, fans will wonder.

 

But for two years, Edmunds absolutely has produced. He's played MLB very well on a near-elite defense. He's played very very capably indeed.

 

Yeah he's had problems with the shoulder injury, no question. And if that continues on and on, questions should be asked. But there's no particular reason to think it will in fact continue.

 

God, the takes get awful here after bad games. All the "I know way better than McDermott" folks come out.

 

 

1) Lorax is an internet dude now.   He also gets paid to make guest appearances on radio and has a close, mentor-teacher relationship with the player he is being asked to critique.   If you are expecting his unobjective opinion then you are naive.  Now if Edmunds was some dude on some other team I am sure Lorax would tell you about the importance of instincts for a linebacker.   But since Edmunds lacks them.........its not a point of discussion.

 

2) I contest the notion that Edmunds absolutely has produced.   Preston fricken' Brown lead the NFL in tackles in this defense in 2017.  It's designed to create plays for the MLB to make.  That's why they invested so much in acquiring Edmunds relative to where the league typically values that position.  Edmunds has greatly underachieved statistically as a result of his lack of instincts for the position. 

[Buffalo716]

23 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Yes because they couldn't figure it out when he was in Carolina but somehow in Buffalo they have finally figured it out.😉

Really???

It's wasn't totally McDermott's scheme. It was McDermott and Rivera

 

McDermott and Frazier have completely different play calling tendencies and tweaked their own scheme which coaches have figured out how to attack

 

The tendencies are known. When teams when know you will run plays , it's easier to call plays to counter them

 

4 years with the same combination leaves lots of clues to what your doing

Edited October 16, 2020 by Buffalo716

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, appoo said:

That was the center who got to Edmunds in this play, and that's just something Edmunds has to win in this defense (I mean he's faster so that's a match up you like if you're McDermot/Frazier), but they're not going to be happy with Quenton Jefferson for the reason you point out. He took the path of least resistance, in such a manner that it gave him no shot at getting to the RB, but also easily freed up the RG to ALMOST reach Edmunds in the 2nd level as well. He needs to go under the guard, take the hit, rather then slide in behind, and basically out of the play.  

I mean not for nothing but H Phillips is in over his head on both plays as well

 

he is a liability

[GoBills808]

56 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Huh?  That’s on Edmunds side.  He’s unblocked, is the first guy with a chance to hit Henry and inexplicably peels off towards the O-Lineman.  

If you are actually interested in assignments vis a vis that play in particular this will be instructive

Edmunds gets to his gap immediately, clears pulling G for Klein...who is for some reason coming in directly behind Edmunds and off balance. 

 

In your mind this is Edmunds' fault...which is why knowing what you are looking at is really important

[BananaB]

The whole defense sucks right now. It’s not one guy. They all look pretty ***** terrible to me. It ain’t one guy getting beat all the time it’s everybody 

[BuffaloRebound]

13 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

If you are actually interested in assignments vis a vis that play in particular this will be instructive

Edmunds gets to his gap immediately, clears pulling G for Klein...who is for some reason coming in directly behind Edmunds and off balance. 

 

In your mind this is Edmunds' fault...which is why knowing what you are looking at is really important

The pulling guard goes straight for Jefferson.  This is what people mean by bad instincts.  Even if the pulling guard is Edmunds assignment, a more instinctive player recognizes he has a straight path to the ball carrier and makes the stop in the backfield for minus 2 yards.  

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

The pulling guard goes straight for Jefferson.  This is what people mean by bad instincts.  Even if the pulling guard is Edmunds assignment, a more instinctive player recognizes he has a straight path to the ball carrier and makes the stop in the backfield for minus 2 yards.  

No. You don’t understand our LB assignments. His job is to fit for run there, second LB is tasked w ball

 

If run was to the other side, roles reversed

I mean do you think 1/11 is just lip service...they talk about it all the time. There are specific roles in this defense and just because Edmunds doesn’t ‘look’ like he’s doing anything to you just means you don’t understand his assignment. Same last year w Lotulelei

[appoo]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

No. You don’t understand our LB assignments. His job is to fit for run there, second LB is tasked w ball

 

If run was to the other side, roles reversed

right gap assignment, scrape backer. 

 

Thought even if Klein correctly scrapped, I have my doubts in his ability to stop someone like Henry for no gain. Sometimes you just gotta respect talent

[GoBills808]

Just now, appoo said:

right gap assignment, scrape backer. 

 

Thought even if Klein correctly scrapped, I have my doubts in his ability to stop someone like Henry for no gain. Sometimes you just gotta respect talent

He has to at least try. That play is there to be made

[appoo]

9 minutes ago, BananaB said:

The whole defense sucks right now. It’s not one guy. They all look pretty ***** terrible to me. It ain’t one guy getting beat all the time it’s everybody 

That I disagree with. I'm fairly happy with LB + DT play. Unhappy with DE play, REALLY unhappy with backup corner play (can't emphasize enough how much we need Tre and Levi back - at least they have the basic athletecism to hang with good NFL WRs. About all you can do with Normal right now is make him a boundary corner)

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

He has to at least try. That play is there to be made

By Edmunds? His only real job there is to fill the gap and force the RB away from it. That play was CLEARLY designed to go right of center, led by the pulling guard. Edmunds got there first, and basically broke that play up. That's a successful play by Tremaine. Klein overplayed. 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, appoo said:

That I disagree with. I'm fairly happy with LB + DT play. Unhappy with DE play, REALLY unhappy with backup corner play (can't emphasize enough how much we need Tre and Levi back - at least they have the basic athletecism to hang with good NFL WRs. About all you can do with Normal right now is make him a boundary corner)

By Edmunds? His only real job there is to fill the gap and force the RB away from it. That play was CLEARLY designed to go right of center, led by the pulling guard. Edmunds got there first, and basically broke that play up. That's a successful play by Tremaine. Klein overplayed. 

By Klein. The whole reason I got in this thread is people don’t understand Edmunds’ role and this play was supposedly proof he sucks when he’s doing exactly his job and let down by Klein

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

No. You don’t understand our LB assignments. His job is to fit for run there, second LB is tasked w ball

 

If run was to the other side, roles reversed

I understand what his assignment was.  Since the pulling guard went for Jefferson instead of Edmunds, Edmunds decided to stick with his assignment and literally do nothing except give the pulling guard a love tap as he blocked Jefferson instead of recognizing he had a clear path to the ball carrier.  Yes, Klein sucked too, but I expect Edmunds to be able to read that he has a clear path to Henry.  If he’s not allowed to do that, then that’s an indictment on the coaching. 

[appoo]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

By Klein. The whole reason I got in this thread is people don’t understand Edmunds’ role and this play was supposedly proof he sucks when he’s doing exactly his job and let down by Klein

My bad! Should have actually realized that based on earlier conversation

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I understand what his assignment was.  Since the pulling guard went for Jefferson instead of Edmunds, Edmunds decided to stick with his assignment and literally do nothing except give the pulling guard a love tap as he blocked Jefferson instead of recognizing he had a clear path to the ball carrier.  Yes, Klein sucked too, but I expect Edmunds to be able to read that he has a clear path to Henry.  If he’s not allowed to do that, then that’s an indictment on the coaching. 

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
 

Run fit- Edmunds is watching the FB, when he goes outside his fit is the G in Bgap 

[appoo]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I understand what his assignment was.  Since the pulling guard went for Jefferson instead of Edmunds, Edmunds decided to stick with his assignment and literally do nothing except give the pulling guard a love tap as he blocked Jefferson instead of recognizing he had a clear path to the ball carrier.  Yes, Klein sucked too, but I expect Edmunds to be able to read that he has a clear path to Henry.  If he’s not allowed to do that, then that’s an indictment on the coaching. 

 

Pulling guards don't have DLineman assignments. Except maybe on screens? Pulling guards LEAD through the hole, not make the hole. He wanted to push Edmunds out or to the right of the hole, clearing a straight path for Henry. Instead Edmunds forces the play back towards traffic. Not sure what else you could have expected out of him. He's got 300 pounds of human being, flying at considerable speed and strength, that he HAS to take on. I mean his literal job is take that guard on, and stand him up in the hole. 

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

1) Lorax is an internet dude now.   He also gets paid to make guest appearances on radio and has a close, mentor-teacher relationship with the player he is being asked to critique.   If you are expecting his unobjective opinion then you are naive.  Now if Edmunds was some dude on some other team I am sure Lorax would tell you about the importance of instincts for a linebacker.   But since Edmunds lacks them.........its not a point of discussion.

 

2) I contest the notion that Edmunds absolutely has produced.   Preston fricken' Brown lead the NFL in tackles in this defense in 2017.  It's designed to create plays for the MLB to make.  That's why they invested so much in acquiring Edmunds relative to where the league typically values that position.  Edmunds has greatly underachieved statistically as a result of his lack of instincts for the position. 

 

In point #2 you first state that Brown led the NFL in tackles which supposedly means nothing.  Then you put down Edmunds due to lack of stats.  Is that not weird? 

Point #1 is even weaker.  So anyone who is a mentor is not genuine in his assessment.  Only disgruntled Bills fans are. 

BTW you are an internet dude as well. 

[BuffaloRebound]

9 minutes ago, appoo said:

 

Pulling guards don't have DLineman assignments. Except maybe on screens? Pulling guards LEAD through the hole, not make the hole. He wanted to push Edmunds out or to the right of the hole, clearing a straight path for Henry. Instead Edmunds forces the play back towards traffic. Not sure what else you could have expected out of him. He's got 300 pounds of human being, flying at considerable speed and strength, that he HAS to take on. I mean his literal job is take that guard on, and stand him up in the hole. 

For some reason the pulling guard blocked Jefferson instead of Edmunds and the fullback went outside of Jefferson.  Edmunds was left unblocked and had a clear path to Henry for a negative yardage play.  Gotta take advantage of the other team’s mistakes.  It’s like he was shocked the  Guard didn’t block him.  

[GoBills808]

20 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

For some reason the pulling guard blocked Jefferson instead of Edmunds and the fullback went outside of Jefferson.  Edmunds was left unblocked and had a clear path to Henry for a negative yardage play.  Gotta take advantage of the other team’s mistakes.  It’s like he was shocked the  Guard didn’t block him.  

For the last time this was on Klein. Ask literally anyone.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

 

In point #2 you first state that Brown led the NFL in tackles which supposedly means nothing.  Then you put down Edmunds due to lack of stats.  Is that not weird? 

Point #1 is even weaker.  So anyone who is a mentor is not genuine in his assessment.  Only disgruntled Bills fans are. 

BTW you are an internet dude as well. 

 

 

Who said leading the NFL in tackles means nothing?    That player achieved that for a reason.   In Brown's case it was because the system funneled the work to him and he completed the tackles.   But as we know he was not an exceptional MLB,  he was a journeyman type.   Edmunds was expected to be extraordinary in that role.   He's not.

 

Also btw,  you are not yet up to internet dude level but keep tryin'.👌    (Seriously people........read the OP's before you respond blindly)

Edited October 16, 2020 by BADOLBILZ

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

6 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He’s too weak at the point of attack for the edge and blitzing. If he’s anything it would be a 34 inside backer. 

I have always thought that this defense has better personal for a 3-4 defense minus the space eating immovable NT and LB depth.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I have always thought that this defense has better personal for a 3-4 defense minus the space eating immovable NT and LB depth.

Wrecks? Is that you? 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 10/15/2020 at 9:14 PM, LeGOATski said:

Well, this validates my pov at least...

 

I haven't understood the Edmunds hate at all

 

...agree....I'd trust the assessment of Lorax.......and Edmunds is still a learning youngster.......

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...agree....I'd trust the assessment of Lorax.......and Edmunds is still a learning youngster.......

 

 

He's a 3rd year veteran........6th season as a college/pro LB.  

 

This has to be the first time in NFL history that a 3rd year QB has matured into a top dollar asset and the 3rd year MLB drafted the same year is still not considered seasoned enough to evaluate based on his production/performance. 

 

The time for excuses is over with Edmunds.   And frankly with the defensive coaching staff for using him in the middle.  

 

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He's a 3rd year veteran........6th season as a college/pro LB.  

 

This has to be the first time in NFL history that a 3rd year QB has matured into a top dollar asset and the 3rd year MLB drafted the same year is still not considered seasoned enough to evaluate based on his production/performance. 

 

The time for excuses is over with Edmunds.   And frankly with the defensive coaching staff for using him in the middle.  

 

This. Time for Edmunds to **** or get off the pot.  The pot being MLB.  This isn’t going to change this year.  He’s our MLB for 2020.  He’s a captain and makes the calls on D.  If his injury is keeping him from being an adequate MLB, he should sit until he’s healthy so we can evaluate him properly.  If his injury effects his play all year and it’s the excuse we hear all year, it will hurt us in 2021.  We have to figure out if he’s out MLB for 2021 ASAP.  He currently isn’t even worth his 5th year option. His play the rest of this season should determine his future as a Bill.  

[stevewin]

51 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

"Rest of the season" seems telling - wonder if it's a rotator cuff or something that he'll possibly get surgery for after the season is over.   

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

This. Time for Edmunds to **** or get off the pot.  The pot being MLB.  This isn’t going to change this year.  He’s our MLB for 2020.  He’s a captain and makes the calls on D.  If his injury is keeping him from being an adequate MLB, he should sit until he’s healthy so we can evaluate him properly.  If his injury effects his play all year and it’s the excuse we hear all year, it will hurt us in 2021.  We have to figure out if he’s out MLB for 2021 ASAP.  He currently isn’t even worth his 5th year option. His play the rest of this season should determine his future as a Bill.  

 

 

Yeah the 5th year option is going to be approximately $11M.

 

 I think there is zero chance that Beane doesn't pick that up because of the optics alone..........but he hasn't been worth that kind of dough.

 

The shoulder injury is a particularly bad turn of events because even if they had a guy emerge as a better, more instinctive MLB.........which could always happen at that position..........Edmunds would still be tough to evaluate as a pass rusher with a bad shoulder.

 

And while I have my fingers crossed that Johnson emerges as a potential elite pass rusher in the next 12 months.........the chances are that they will go into the offseason compelled to spend big $ on a pass rusher when IMO Edmunds should have been that guy by now.

 

[vincec]

29 minutes ago, stevewin said:

"Rest of the season" seems telling - wonder if it's a rotator cuff or something that he'll possibly get surgery for after the season is over.   

If that's the case then they might as well IR him and have the surgery now because he's not playing effectively. If he's not going to get better before the end of the season then you might as well get the process started and make sure he's right for next year.

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, vincec said:

If that's the case then they might as well IR him and have the surgery now because he's not playing effectively. If he's not going to get better before the end of the season then you might as well get the process started and make sure he's right for next year.

 

 

Lack of depth prevents that.

 

Milano is on injury #2 already and Klein has been a huge disappointment as a free agent addition........he's been terrible.

 

If they had been honest about Edmunds performance at MLB and been open to giving him a little healthy competition they might now have the freedom to let him get his shoulder fixed or rested.....but they weren't.......they used the reserve MLB spot for Matakevich who can only play ST's.

 

I do think that Edmunds could play better late in the season or the playoffs..........his half-hearted effort in tackling is in part due to trying to nurse the injury thru the early season IMO.....and that's been the difference between being "meh" his first two seasons and just bad this year.

 

He also does have a history of flashing for a couple games per season..........raising his effort/intensity in a high profile game.   This Monday nighter will probably be their highest profile game nationally this regular season.   He should also be especially motivated by the criticism finally coming home to roost due to his poor play.    I am hoping he is jacked for Monday and makes a few big plays if nothing else.      

[spartacus]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

This. Time for Edmunds to **** or get off the pot.  The pot being MLB.  This isn’t going to change this year.  He’s our MLB for 2020.  He’s a captain and makes the calls on D.  If his injury is keeping him from being an adequate MLB, he should sit until he’s healthy so we can evaluate him properly.  If his injury effects his play all year and it’s the excuse we hear all year, it will hurt us in 2021.  We have to figure out if he’s out MLB for 2021 ASAP.  He currently isn’t even worth his 5th year option. His play the rest of this season should determine his future as a Bill.  

when you sit him to get healthy- who plays the mike?

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, spartacus said:

when you sit him to get healthy- who plays the mike?

we’re screwed.....but if the dude is that hurt that he plays like garbage, he shouldn’t play.

[spartacus]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

we’re screwed.....but if the dude is that hurt that he plays like garbage, he shouldn’t play.

great plan!

 

just play with 10

can''t be any worse, huh

[Scott7975]

On 10/16/2020 at 1:53 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Just a few more:

Dion Dawkins should be moved to guard.

Jordan Poyer sucked in Cleveland and will suck here too.

Cole Beasley kinda sucks.

 

We got the wrong Josh.

 

You forgot about the people that were mad we traded a first for Diggs.  Diggs only did well because of Thielen

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He's a 3rd year veteran........6th season as a college/pro LB.  

 

This has to be the first time in NFL history that a 3rd year QB has matured into a top dollar asset and the 3rd year MLB drafted the same year is still not considered seasoned enough to evaluate based on his production/performance. 

 

The time for excuses is over with Edmunds.   And frankly with the defensive coaching staff for using him in the middle.  

 

So true. So tired of the "but he's still a youngster" gang. Spare me. When exactly will he be old enough to critique? 26, 29?? This is his 3rd season and he's making the same exact mistakes as we've witnessed the first 2 seasons. Maybe we'll hire Ray Lewis tomorrow and he'll miraculously turn him into a mlb. This isn't rocket science.  The coaches identified Fords weakness at RT and now he's a better G. Why can't they just slide Edmunds outside and be done with it. Oh wait, they can't.  They run a 4-2-5. As others have mentioned I'm almost down for going back to a 3-4.

[Thurman#1]

On 10/16/2020 at 9:18 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You're right.  Thought I'd corrected that.

 

IMO the PR was devastating: it was a 7-7 game at that point and Tenn then Buff had just exchanged punts.  So gift-wrapping a start for them on the Buff 30 that resulted in a TD and put them ahead was just crap.

 

 

100% agreed.

 

It must have seemed like Bizarro World to the defense. "We've defensed three drives. We've allowed a total of 62 yards on those three drives, and we're down 14-7. Something's not right."

 

 

On 10/17/2020 at 6:22 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Who said leading the NFL in tackles means nothing?    That player achieved that for a reason.   In Brown's case it was because the system funneled the work to him and he completed the tackles.   But as we know he was not an exceptional MLB,  he was a journeyman type.   Edmunds was expected to be extraordinary in that role.   He's not.

 

Also btw,  you are not yet up to internet dude level but keep tryin'.👌    (Seriously people........read the OP's before you respond blindly)

 

 

I think that's fair enough. Edmunds is not extraordinary yet.

 

So far just very very good when healthy.

 

16 hours ago, NewEra said:

we’re screwed.....but if the dude is that hurt that he plays like garbage, he shouldn’t play.

 

The problem appears to be that even hurt he's better than his healthy backup. That's why he's playing.

Edited October 18, 2020 by Thurman#1

[machine gun kelly]

I listened to Sal Friday morning on the Lorax dialogue he had with him on Edmunds.  Sal said we are built more for a 4-3 given our players, but hypothetically Sal thought Edmunds is best suited for a MLB in the traditional 3-4.  The 3-4 doesn’t fit into what McDermott likes to do in his scheme.  I’m sure he can do it if he wanted to do so.  We would definitely need Star for that to happen, and McD learned under Jimmy Johnson In Philly who loved the 3-4.
 

I think people are piling a little on Edmunds. He’s made some mistakes, but he also is trying to play hurt.

[Thurman#1]

20 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...agree....I'd trust the assessment of Lorax.......and Edmunds is still a learning youngster.......

 

 

Yup. The haters (it's a word I find kinda stupid, but Edmunds really does seem to have them) want to say that he should be ready.

 

Fact is plenty of guys have made huge leaps during and after their third years. Lawrence Taylor sure wasn't Lawrence Taylor his first three years. He was very good (so is Edmunds when healthy), but he still had major improvements to make. Derrick Brooks was tackling people but still hadn't fully figured out pass defense till his late third and early fourth years. James Harrison, certainly, and there are plenty more.

 

And before the nonsense starts, I'm not comparing Edmunds to them except in one way. They (and many others) prove that it's perfectly possible, in fact pretty common, for LBs to make major leaps later in their careers than Edmunds has yet reached.

 

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2020 by Thurman#1

[NoSaint]

13 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yup. The haters (it's a word I find kinda stupid, but Edmunds really does seem to have them) want to say that he should be ready.

 

Fact is plenty of guys have made huge leaps during and after their third years. Lawrence Taylor sure wasn't Lawrence Taylor his first three years. He was very good (so is Edmunds when healthy), but he still had major improvements to make. Derrick Brooks was tackling people but still hadn't fully figured out pass defense till his late third and early fourth years. James Harrison, certainly, and there are plenty more.

 

And before the nonsense starts, I'm not comparing Edmunds to them except in one way. They prove that it's perfectly possible, in fact pretty common, for LBs to make major leaps later in their careers than Edmunds has yet reached.

 

 

 

 

we live in a pretty amazing world where damn near anything is possible. 
 

it’s a terrible baseline for discussion.

[Thurman#1]

On 10/17/2020 at 3:40 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

1) Lorax is an internet dude now.   He also gets paid to make guest appearances on radio and has a close, mentor-teacher relationship with the player he is being asked to critique.   If you are expecting his unobjective opinion then you are naive.  Now if Edmunds was some dude on some other team I am sure Lorax would tell you about the importance of instincts for a linebacker.   But since Edmunds lacks them.........its not a point of discussion.

 

2) I contest the notion that Edmunds absolutely has produced.   Preston fricken' Brown lead the NFL in tackles in this defense in 2017.  It's designed to create plays for the MLB to make.  That's why they invested so much in acquiring Edmunds relative to where the league typically values that position.  Edmunds has greatly underachieved statistically as a result of his lack of instincts for the position. 

 

 

I love it, "Lorax is an internet dude now," like this makes you and him equally knowledgeable.

 

Two in a row in terms of giving perfect, textbook examples of what I described. The old "you're so naive, everybody knows he's lying except you, since we know he's lying because he disagreed with me" ploy. And it's flagrant, ridiculous nonsense.

 

I'll tell you want everybody at this point knows - with the apparent exception of you - and that is that if your irons in the fire stop you from criticizing someone there are a million ways to act that are smarter and better in both the short and the long-term than to lie. Assuming that because he has an iron in the fire (questionable but possible) that he's lying is utter nonsense. Guys who are obvious team shills lose credibility, and fast. Their opinions are rapidly less sought after because they're predictable.

 

And again, there are a million ways to avoid lying and keep your credibility. First, you can just not comment. Simplest thing in the world. But the easiest and most common thing to do if you must comment is to pick one of the infinite number of ways to play Crash Davis. "Tremaine Edmunds is a smart young man. I want him on my side in an alley fight anytime." Or "This guy gives 110% out there game in and game out." Or "The Bills should be proud to have such a fine representative on the field living up to the fine tradition of the blue, white and red." There's a million of them. Probably a billion. You don't have to say anything specific.

 

When instead a guy makes a specific relevant comment - as Lorax does here - it should be believed. There are so many ways to avoid doing it that when they choose that direction, it means something. And when you refuse to believe him, what's spectacularly clear is that the guy not to be believed is the one out there doubting the experts.

 

You're right about one thing. It's not even a point of discussion. When healthy, Edmunds has produced very well indeed. Again, you're correct that "extraordinary" would be an overstatement, but he's been a very solid producer, one of the three or so best players on a defense that was terrific the past two years.

Edited October 18, 2020 by Thurman#1

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

100% agreed.

 

It must have seemed like Bizarro World to the defense. "We've defensed three drives. We've allowed a total of 62 yards on those three drives, and we're down 14-7. Something's not right."

 

 

 

 

I think that's fair enough. Edmunds is not extraordinary yet.

 

So far just very very good when healthy.

 

 

The problem appears to be that even hurt he's better than his healthy backup. That's why he's playing.

yeah.....but that’s the problem.  The guy is hurt and risking getting hurt even more because he’d be better than his backup?  How about we let the guy heal so he can actually be 💯 at some point this year.  You say that he’s “very good” when healthy..... so why not try and get him healthy?  Answering:  because he’s better than his backup, doesn’t make any sense with regards to trying to get him 💯.  That should be our priority with him imo.  We need “very good” Tremaine.  “Injured and crappy” Tremaine is a waste imo.  
 

my theory is based on:  when Tremaine is injured, he sucks.  When Tremaine is healthy, he’s very good.  Priority should be getting him healthy ASAP instead of wallowing in the middle of healthy and hurt.  Being in no mans land isn’t a good place for Tremaine from my observation