Big Turk Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Beane is a magician for getting players to accept less than what they could get... https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-sign-cb-marlon-humphrey-to-5-year-contract-extension 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Beane is a magician for getting players to accept less than what they could get... https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-sign-cb-marlon-humphrey-to-5-year-contract-extension Gotta give Props to the Player willing to leave money on the table to help the team in the Future. I would love Josh (when he gets his contract) to go the likes of the Brady, taking a well below market value contract to keep money to put nice talent around him. Imagine peoples head explosion on If Josh stays on his current trajectory and accepts a 20M AAV contract extension. Edited October 1, 2020 by MAJBobby 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 😲 WOW! Who the Hell is Marlon Humphrey? You're right OP! Whew! 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Gotta give Props to the Player willing to leave money on the table to help the team in the Future. I would love Josh (when he gets his contract) to go the likes of the Brady, taking a well below market value contract to keep money to put nice talent around him. Imagine peoples head explosion on If Josh stays on his current trajectory and accepts a 20M AAV contract extension. I don’t recall all the side ‘deals’ Pats* gave him, aside from the football contract, but they were PLENTY. Pegs would have to do something along those lines as well. But given the QB market and the ongoing ‘next big contract scenario’, we can expect it to be the richest at the time, however it’s configured. 2 years and 2 games in, he’s showing he deserves it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Makes you wonder what the perception in league circles about McD’s defense and DB’s playing in it is... do agents know that when teams look at an elite player in McD’s secondary that there’s some question about how that will transfer? No slight on white here. Just curios. We did see this with Norman... All pro player under McD, gets traded and makes a crap ton of money and sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: 😲 WOW! Who the Hell is Marlon Humphrey? You're right OP! Whew! I don’t recall all the side ‘deals’ Pats* gave him, aside from the football contract, but they were PLENTY. Pegs would have to do something along those lines as well. But given the QB market and the ongoing ‘next big contract scenario’, we can expect it to be the richest at the time, however it’s configured. 2 years and 2 games in, he’s showing he deserves it. I mean he is an All-Pro corner so someone has to know him....he plays for he Ravens 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Makes you wonder what the perception in league circles about McD’s defense and DB’s playing in it is... do agents know that when teams look at an elite player in McD’s secondary that there’s some question about how that will transfer? No slight on white here. Just curios. We did see this with Norman... All pro player under McD, gets traded and makes a crap ton of money and sucks. There is a proper tool for everything...McD knows exactly what tools he needs and makes use of them properly in his scheme. If another team takes that player and tries to use a screwdriver for a hammer, then it may work somewhat but overall it won't be the right fit. Edited October 1, 2020 by matter2003 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: I mean he is an All-Pro corner so someone has to know him....he plays for he Ravens There is a proper tool for everything...McD knows exactly what tools he needs and makes use of them properly in his scheme. If another team takes that player and tries to use a screwdriver for a hammer, then it may work somewhat but overall it won't be the right fit. For sure. As we’ve seen with many players who have been very good for McD but then struggled after leaving. I just wonder how much that affects their market value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Was he a FA the end of this season? That was one of the things giving the Bills a little more leverage in that Tre still had effectively two season to go so he didn't have quite as much power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Most deals age well, but no doubt, Tre's is aging faster than others. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Gotta give Props to the Player willing to leave money on the table to help the team in the Future. I would love Josh (when he gets his contract) to go the likes of the Brady, taking a well below market value contract to keep money to put nice talent around him. Imagine peoples head explosion on If Josh stays on his current trajectory and accepts a 20M AAV contract extension. 20M isn’t even a thing. 30m would be heads exploding type of discount if he finishes the year in good shape. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 It’s all about timing. Tre was always going to reset the market. I don’t think Ramsey was going to sign until after Tre. Humphrey, Lattimore, etc, could have reset it prior to Tre though. The Bills getting Tre’s deal done when they did saved them a few million a year. Nice work all around 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Honestly Humphrey may be better than Trey - more physical, complete player. And I love Trey. Humphrey is a BALLER. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Will be interested to see what happens when Diggs’ contract comes up—I keep thinking back to his Viking days BUT I’m hoping he’s happier here which will help us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, biggerdaddynj said: Will be interested to see what happens when Diggs’ contract comes up—I keep thinking back to his Viking days BUT I’m hoping he’s happier here which will help us. My guess is that the Bills get out in front of it and offer him an extension WAY earlier than they should (something like what Amari got). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: My guess is that the Bills get out in front of it and offer him an extension WAY earlier than they should (something like what Amari got). Diggs still has 3 years left on his contract after this season and is essentially playing for half price compared to the market...I don't want to say he would be justified to hold out for a new contract, but....I think the Bills will reach something with him before it gets to that point...they have to know he is severely underpaid. Edited October 1, 2020 by matter2003 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 39 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Gotta give Props to the Player willing to leave money on the table to help the team in the Future. I would love Josh (when he gets his contract) to go the likes of the Brady, taking a well below market value contract to keep money to put nice talent around him. Imagine peoples head explosion on If Josh stays on his current trajectory and accepts a 20M AAV contract extension. When White signed his deal, he became the highest paid CB in NFL history. Because others after him get more doesn't mean he left money on the table. He set the market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) I'd have no issue with reworking Diggs contract sooner rather than later. Having Allen, Diggs, Dawkins and Tre all locked down for the long term is quite the foundation. Only thing missing is an elite DL player. Edited October 1, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) That is the advantage of going in early (with 2 full years left). We got Tre at a 10 mill discount (4 yr 69 mill instead of something like 4 yr. 79 mill). So long as Tre is healthy and continues playing at a high level, he will still get close to the numbers Humphrey is getting - that extra year - there is a good chance Top CB salaries are 25 mill +. In the meanwhile, the Bills still have Tre for 6 years and their risk is decidedly lower than the Ravens'. WTG Beane. Edited October 1, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 The price of CB poker is going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: Beane is a magician for getting players to accept less than what they could get... https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-sign-cb-marlon-humphrey-to-5-year-contract-extension As usual, they're spinning the figures with extensions. Real money will be somewhere around 7 years $104 mill, which comes out to around $14.8M/ year. Tre if I remember got somewhere around $13.5M ...? But will receive a new contract a year earlier. Edited October 1, 2020 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: When White signed his deal, he became the highest paid CB in NFL history. Because others after him get more doesn't mean he left money on the table. He set the market. Yes. And he also got his injury insurance earlier. Edited October 1, 2020 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: Makes you wonder what the perception in league circles about McD’s defense and DB’s playing in it is... do agents know that when teams look at an elite player in McD’s secondary that there’s some question about how that will transfer? No slight on white here. Just curios. We did see this with Norman... All pro player under McD, gets traded and makes a crap ton of money and sucks. Hopefully Milano's agent feels the same way about his guy being a system-LB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Honestly Humphrey may be better than Trey - more physical, complete player. And I love Trey. Humphrey is a BALLER. The context for how these teams employ the player needs to be talked about. Tre is playing a lot of zone and he was a 1st Team All-Pro last season. No minimizing that because Buffalo hasn't had many with that accolade in the past 20 years. Still, guys who largely play zone are not gonna get paid like M2M types who can hold down their man as Humphrey does. A contract extension for positions like CB have a lot do with how a team uses them. That factors in to how the deal is structured and its size. For the record, Humphrey received 11M more in guaranteed money over Tre's deal, which is how I view NFL contracts, not in AAV. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Tre<Humphrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, matter2003 said: Beane is a magician for getting players to accept less than what they could get... https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-sign-cb-marlon-humphrey-to-5-year-contract-extension Actually, looking closely - Tre's deal is not that much of a steal for us relative to Humphrey (It is a steal relative to Ramsey no doubt). Tre got 55 mill guaranteed, Humphrey only appears to be getting 37 mill guaranteed. So we should back off calling for Tre to change agents:) Am I missing something? Edit: This tweet suggests he is getting 66 mill guaranteed. But does it include the 5th year option or not? If it does, then the deals for Tre and Humphrey appear identical - if not, then we did get a steal. Edited October 1, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 As long as agents get paid a percentage of the player's salary, there will be pressure on the player to squeeze every dime out of the team. And who can really fault either the player or the agent for that? But, if the team's best players as a group talk to each other and say they want to keep the team together because they love having each other as teammates, maybe they all can agree to forego enough money to keep the core around. The Bills are in a great spot now, but all those smart draft picks are going to be looking for more money in a big wave. White is just the leading edge. Allen is going to deserve a huge raise (I hope he is still playing great into the future), and Edmunds and Oliver could play themselves into a highly leveraged spot. I don't know how long Diggs has on his current contract but he will probably get a big raise too. If those guys are willing to take team-friendly contracts, that will help the Bills carry on with their approach of having very good players across the board, but not very many top guys who can demand top money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 4 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Gotta give Props to the Player willing to leave money on the table to help the team in the Future. I would love Josh (when he gets his contract) to go the likes of the Brady, taking a well below market value contract to keep money to put nice talent around him. Imagine peoples head explosion on If Josh stays on his current trajectory and accepts a 20M AAV contract extension. I mean...Giselle is the real bread-winner in that family. Does Josh have a Giselle? Maybe he should get a Giselle... (cue the pictures of Brittany) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Even though Tre had the biggest DB contract in history at the time of his signing, the way the deal was structured, from the very beginning I viewed it as being a very friendly deal for the Bills, especially considering that it was extended out and that if you averaged out the years remaining it ends up being even less than what it appears on face value. I just hope Tre doesn't become slightly resentful about the explosion in the DB market valuation. Both of the DB's signed for considerably more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 4 hours ago, whatdrought said: Makes you wonder what the perception in league circles about McD’s defense and DB’s playing in it is... do agents know that when teams look at an elite player in McD’s secondary that there’s some question about how that will transfer? No slight on white here. Just curios. We did see this with Norman... All pro player under McD, gets traded and makes a crap ton of money and sucks. You could be correct about this. Some teams are only interested in a DB that can play excellent press man to man coverage. There are not many of them around, so they have to pay them a lot to keep them. McD doesn't depend on strict man to man defense and can get good use out of other skills. I think he places a high value on smart players that don't make mistakes and guys that are willing tacklers. As you say, Norman was a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaFitz1 Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 I was just looking at the stats and comparing White to Humphrey Humphrey - 49 games since 2017 150 tackles, 124 solo, 0.05 sack, 4 FFs, 3 FRs, 8 Ints returned for 55 yards, 44 Passes Defensed, 9 stuffs White - 50 games since 2017 186 tackles, 150 solo, 1 sack, 3 FFs, 3 FRs, 12 Ints returned for 180 yards, 46 Passes Defensed, 7 stuffs Seems to me Beane got a heck of a deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Just now, Florida Bills Fanatic said: You could be correct about this. Some teams are only interested in a DB that can play excellent press man to man coverage. There are not many of them around, so they have to pay them a lot to keep them. McD doesn't depend on strict man to man defense and can get good use out of other skills. I think he places a high value on smart players that don't make mistakes and guys that are willing tacklers. As you say, Norman was a good example. Right, and it’s not to say White is any less of a player than those players... just curious what the perception is seeing as McD has a track record of getting above average play out of below average players. Obviously white isn’t below average, but you wonder if it skews it. Like, do teams look at WR’s from Pittsburgh differently? Or RB’s from SF (or Denver when Shanny was there) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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